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Flight Testing Of Burt Rutan's X Prize Entry
evenprime writes "The X Prize website is reporting that
Burt Rutan's company Scaled Composites did some
flight testing on their SpaceShipOne/White Knight launch platform on May 19, 2003. Next up:
drop tests. There's also a nice
write-up at the BBC website."
http://www.xprize.org/
Go JC go!
1. Build nifty spacecraft for $20,000,000US
2. Maybe win $10,000,000US X-Prize
3. ???
4. Profit!
A programmer is a machine for converting coffee into code.
X-Plane v7.0beta has both aircraft (apparently Scaled Composites used it for their simulator)
In the contest to win the X Prize, there can be only one winner. The runner up wins the Darwin Award. Is Burt Rutan's entry X Prize worthy, or will he join the thousands of other people who've killed themselves spectacularly to win Darwin Awards?
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Memorial day (observed) appears not to be the best time to be serious around here.
That being said, it's nice to see some progress on the X Prize, which is essentially a prize for the first successful civilian reusable space vehicle.
Personally I think the Rutans are going about this the wrong way, but they could still get the prize.
The pluses to the design are the high-altitude launch (elegant), and the low-speed entry (elegant).
The minuses as I see it are the relatively complex design, lack of cargo space, cost, unpowered landing. Oh, and the fact that it is very, very ugly.
A similar re-entry vehicle, but larger with powered maneuverability on re-entry, with a high-altitude balloon as a "first stage" would rock. And be cheaper. I'm not really sure how huge a balloon (hydrogen or helium) would have to be to drag something that big to the requisite altitude, especially if you intended to go beyond 100km. The second stage would be heavier, unless you had a new fuel or more efficient use of the fuel.
Seriously... you go, Burt - and all the other X-Prize teams, too.
On behalf of all of us cubicle-bound geeks looking at the stars, may you all show NASA what teams of dedicated engineers can do if given an environment in which... well, an environment in which dedicated engineers can do what dedicated engineers have always done in such an environment.
What a great thing, the X-Prize. Space flight will eventually be dominated by private enterprise anyway, and this accelerates it. I think it's important as a way to get younger generations excited about the future in the same way past generations were in the early days of space programs.
Maybe I'm just early here, but it astonishes me that no one has posted a comment, except for trolls and ACs.
It's stuff like this that gives me hope that I'll live long enough to get a trip into space before I die. The government, as it usually does with everything it attempts, seems to have completely screwed up the exploration of space. It's been over 30 years since we sent a human being to another world, for heaven's sake.
I'm writing in Rutan for President in 2004. At least he's actually built something other than a portfolio.
It'll be about private industry until United Spacelines and American Spacelines start losing too much money, and the space-citizens of the United Space-states of Earth have to shell out billions of space-dollars to keep them afloat. I mean, in orbit.
Of course, there's the problem that maybe he can, but nobody else can. This happens. Paul MacReady made human-powered flight work two decades ago. Nobody has done it since. Gregg Williams designed almost all the really small jet aircraft engines - he did his first one in the 1950s, and he designed the engines for cruise missiles, and he's still designing them. One person, Ed Kleinschmidt, designed all the mechanical teletype machines from the 1930s to the last one in the 1970s.
knowing how Rutan builds things it most likely has a geat deal of foam under its skin.
just ask any Long-EZ owner/builder.
Rutan amazes me.. I mean, he has an interest in aircraft, then goes out and designs builds tons of them, makes a business out of it, sets all sorts of records, and so on. All with sideburns! He rules!
-J
Quote from the BBC Article: "SpaceShipOne will then fire its hybrid rocket engine, fuelled by a mixture of nitrous oxide and rubber, to reach the blackness of space."
Surely this is a typo? Nobody uses rubber as a rocket fuel... unless this is a new kind of rubber that is completely diferent to the stretchy, boingy stuff?
If they die, they don't win. They get nothing.
Physicsnerd
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"Even logic must give way to physics" - Spock
disgusting
From an article on KMSB-TV This history of space missions has been written with solid- or liquid-fuel rockets. Solid-fuel rockets are simple, reliable and inexpensive, but thrust at only one speed, can't be shut down, and produce toxic exhaust. Liquid-fuel rockets can be throttled to control thrust and turned off and on, but are highly complex and less reliable. Hybrid technology combines the advantages of both types of fuel, but can be made more cheaply and with more environmentally benign materials, said Brad Linenberger, a senior in aerospace and mechanical engineering. "The components themselves are safer, because the solid fuel is basically tire rubber and the liquid fuel is nitrous oxide, which is just laughing gas" liquefied under pressure, Linenberger said. "The stuff they put in solid rockets to keep them burning, you don't want to be inhaling that stuff."
"After experiencing weightlessness at the top of its trajectory, the ship will extend its wings and tail and glide back to the runway that it left 90 minutes earlier."
Okay, so we have a plane with a "spaceship" under it, and we're going to go up real high and then fling it up into what's just barely "space," and watch it fall down. So you'll actually be in "space" for just a few minutes? No orbiting around and trying to see if you can find your house from up there? How much fun is this really, when the majority of your time is spent screaming your head off as you fall back to Earth? Maybe the inflight meal will be really good.
we need a fuel that can burn more efficently, is lighter and provideds more thrust than current fules out there. that way we can have smallercrafts that might be able to employ an all in one solution with a Ram jet taking it up to high altitueds and speeds then the rocket is lite to take it into orbit...perhaps even a high orbit.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
How much payload would SpaceShipOne be able to take into orbit?
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me
The whole idea of the X-Prize is great, and I love what it is going to do to the space travel industry.
:)
The only problem I'm having is figuring out who to root for
The Black Armadillo is definitely starting to take shape, it looks a lot better lately than the first time I remember checking it out. Using an environmentally friendly fuel is brilliant, and possibly my favourite thing about the way Carmack and his crew are going about this project.
The White Knight and SS1 look slick. There's no other word for it. I'd expect to find a ship like that in anime, but not real life!
I hope Armadillo takes the prize money, but I wish (eventual) success to all teams involved.
I firmly believe that getting private citizens/companies into space travel is the best way to get the human race to the next level of space exploration, and I can't wait to see the end results!
Congratulations on all the progress so far guys!
Who is everyone else cheering for?
Build boards not bombs
Space tourism is a horrible idea. People are only fascinated by space because of a glut of bad science fiction that has proliferated in the past 50 years. Now, people are willing to put their lives at risk to fulfill some childish fantasy. It is sad to see people wasting all this energy on useless pursuits when it is far better spent feeding the poor and fighting for justice. Isn't there enough suffering in the world? Do we really need more headlines showing obituarial photos of a dozen "brave" american astronaut-wannabes who died because one of the ground control engineers watched a little too much Star Trek and read 1 too few books on aerodynamics?
Jerry Pournelle posted some more photos on his web site a couple days ago: http://jerrypournelle.com/view/view258.html#SS1
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They meant to put flubber.
Burt Rutan is a graduate of the AERO department at Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo! Go Poly!
does anyone noticed, in the bbc article, they say they are aiming for a first flight in december, that's pretty close!
Rutan still has some nifty defense dept. contracts. Scaled Composites created the airframe for the Boeing X-45 UCAV, and I'd bet they probably have a hand in a lot of the other UCAV's too. They have more experience than anyone else when it comes to lightweight, composite material aircraft construction.
... you guys know each other. Get a room already.
Why is this modded troll? I didn't know what the x prize was either. Thank you very much to the person who posted the URL with more information.
LOL!!!!!!
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If I had mod points, this'd be +5 Funny already.
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My only disagreement is with "Rutan for president". It's an insult to this great man to lump him in with an organization, government, whose whole existence is predicated on force and which can only fund itself by theft.
To the contrary it's the efforts of Mr Rutan and others like him which will finally put our species out of the reach of government.
Okay, so I'm sure it'd probably explode or something. But it'd look cool for a few moments.
Is it just me, or does that thing look like a 1930s Flash Gordon rocket ship?
:)
Of course, there's something ineffably cool about it looking like a 1930s rocket ship
Apparently when you mix these 2 together, and combine it with a significant heat source, you get quite alot of thrust.
Unlike a liquid though, you can't throttle the thrust. I wonder if its possible to stop the thrust though if you remove the heat source, or is it self-sustaining once you get ignition?
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Solid rocket motors are fairly easy to store (just don't accidentally light one). However, once they're lit, they burn until they're gone.
This hybrid seems to use to use the better elements of the two, though I don't believe it is throttleable. At least thats my impression from scaled.com's write up.
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Or, at least they should not be.
Darwin's are for people who take questionable actions which the person in question should be able to anticipate the result. Like checking the gas tank at night and lighting a match to see better. Darwins should also extend to people who disregard warnings of danger.
The X-Prize people are knowingly taking a big risk, and are aware of the dangers, and have tried to minimize them. The fatalaties are not going to result from monstously absurd ignorance or stupidity. The errors will be a magnitude or two lower.
If X Prize contenstants are viable Darwin Awards, then so should test pilots, infantry soldiers, and car accident fatalaties.
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Physicsnerd
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"Even logic must give way to physics" - Spock
Oh man, that's just great. After the first test I thought, "They're going to to put a person in that?!" Then comes out a guy in t-shirt, jeans, and a helmet...
Priceless.
"The government ensures that the ground beef you buy in the grocery store isn't ground rat, for example."
Take a look at this then.
Government regulation doesn't work. Political forces as impersonal and automatic as the laws of physics push regulators to preserve the appearance of regulation rather than the actuality, and to serve the politically powerful big business over the individually powerless citizen.
And the very presence of government regulation distorts the market, allowing products which slip through the loopholes to pass themselves off, in this case as chicken despite being injected with beef protiens. You could probably be sued for calling this "not chicken" or "adulterated", because the government makes the definitions and its the only game in town.
This is not an isolated example. Everything government touches it fouls up. How could it not? It's the expression of force in the market, while the market itself is the free choices of individuals. Anything the government does is by definition a less-desired and probably less desirable outcome than whatever would have happened in its absence.
I don't concider $20 million "amazing capital" these days.
Well, instead of getting thrills going out into space and helping reduce the number of poor - how about helping reduce the number of poor through hunting them? You would pay a cool $10 million for a license to hunt anyone under median income. The catch? You'd have to wear a vest stuffed with $1 million in cash so that the poor people(s) would get to take a crack at you too! Talk about heart-pounding. And, everyone would probably dress a little nicer rather than risk being mistaken for someone making less than median income...
Still, I think I'd rather go visit space.
I've been browsing through the X-Prize contestants and just realized how many people are going to die attempting this.
These people are crazy. I wonder if the crashes will even make the news.
Will code a sig generator for food
Not knocking him, but several other people have designed and built human powered planes since then. eg http://www.nasg.com/hpa/birdman-e.html
Trouble is, it costs a lot, and the easiest (not easy), big prize has been taken.
Mind you, he has also worked on a lot of other interesting projects, http://www.aerovironment.com/
lists a few
but because of X-Prize pressure, they are scraping that plan for now. John Carmack said in one of his diaries, that if someone else got the X-Prize before AA, then they'd go back to a powered landing (true VTVL SSTO).
-Malakai
-Malakai
A Dragon Lives in my Garage
it says it is not throttleable. The pilot is given 2 controls, an Arm switch, and then a final ignite button to do the burn.
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we are all individuals
Just in the interest of accuracy, it is worth noting that at least one X-prize team thinks that balloon launch platforms will be reusable:
IL Aerospace Technologies
"Weapons should be hardy rather than decorative" - Miyamoto Musashi
I think that goes for OS's too
... I'll wait for the Eclipse 500.
After reading on Armadillo's plane for trying to win the X-Prize, I think I'll pass on this idea, too.
What happens if ALL the parachutes fail, something that is not impossible? The resulting landing would kill the pilot and two passengers almost instantly from the impact forces.
At least with Rutan's White Knight/SpaceShip One combination, SpaceShip One will fly a fairly benign flight regime, and the vehicle will glide to a safe horizontal landing between Mojave Aiport and those big dry lake beds at Edwards AFB. And Rutan has carefully studied how the X-15 did its re-entry after its high-altitude flights and designed SpaceShip One to handle safely in the re-entry phase.
The reason is simple: Rutan has a demonstrated track record of safe, yet technologically-innovative flying machines.
SpaceShip One is designed for an aerodynamically benign flight profile, and Rutan has designed SS1 so there is lots of safety margins during the re-entry phase.
And pounds you put in for aero engines is that much less weight you can carry to orbit (or edge of space, as is the case here). For small craft, putting in a single aero engine would mean ditching the crew and all their luggage entirely.
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Ok, maybe this was mentioned on a past article. But their credibility really suffers when their "photos" of the flight have an obviously photoshopped rocket engine pasted onto the back in each picture. I understand that the flight testing doesn't require a working rocket be installed, but how stupid do they think we are?
SpaceShipOne is not an orbiter.
It goes straight up, and comes straight back down.
To reach orbit you need to get going really really fast, as well as reach those high altitudes.
You can't be an airplane designer without sideburns and you can't be a Unix guru with out a big bushy beard.
If Mr. Edison had thought smarter he wouldn't sweat as much. --Nikola Tesla
Until Steve Bennett blows himself up.
Burt Rutan hasn't had a lot of design failures, but he has had at least one: the "Pond Racer", built for pylon racing, crashed in 1993, killing its pilot, apparently not due to pilot error.
I don't see no stinkin' sig, seriously.
Debunking the "59 Deceits"
Or at least off-topic? Oh yeah, it's jives with the moderators' political biases. Watch, my comment is going to get a negative moderation merely for pointing out that a bayesian moderation system would be vastly better than a human one. Certainly less biased.
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