WTF is the matter with you? Don't you know that ALL articles concerning OS problems, features, perks, discounts and fantasies are now required to start out with an obligatory SCO joke? Ok! Ok!
*Ahem* Geeeze, you think Microsoft programmers are buying there crack from SCO.
Dead right. The python/XML-RPC combo is particularly tasty.
Using the simplexmlrpcserver object its pretty much a case of point the server object at the served object and your away. Accessing the object is as simple as... well the same.
Xml-Rpc may have a less-advanced reputation, but truth be told is that theres precious little soap can do that it cant , and what else soap CAN do (variants) it probably shouldnt.
The big advantage for the Xml-Rpc specification is that its STABLE. It fits on a couple pages of description and it doesnt change. Point versions of the Soap spec send entire code bases reduntant.
Why would a programer be so retarded to use Soap? To put it another way, whats more dangerous a retarded-but-reliable spec or a retarded-AND-useless program(er)?
Its interesting your objection. A friend of mine is a physicist working at Nasa, and when I asked him on it, he said that what interested him is no one had given a good reason why it *shouldnt* work. The guy added he was a remote sensing dude and not a full guru on the nuclear stuff, but he made a good point.
A bad experiment doesnt necesarrily disprove a theory. Just the experiment.
You make the grave mistake of assuming we all actually agree that Intelectual property is a meaningful 'right' in the age of the internet. I am not a historian, but I'd speculate strongly that the reason copyright was created, was to protect early publishers from having there work stolen by the larger cartels. This would of been related stongly to the high capital costs of establishing printing press. If one was going to sell the family farm to buy a press, one would want to make sure that the local works etc printed would not be stolen by monopolists. A similar reasoning could be applied to the musical records produced in the 1900's. Again related to high production costs. But what happened is that 'the star system' was created and that meant that again and again local talent was overlooked by punters to ensure only the international cartels got full access to the hip pockets of music fans. The kids wanted micheal jackson rather than local band X. In the age of the internet however production costs are low enough that a local band can afford to produce musical works, even on a welfare buget, and distribute them cheaply, perhaps over the internet. This allows small labels to compete with the large labels on production and distribution costs, and in doing so removes the verry reason copyright was needed. Of course the big labels still have the star system, and the existance or absence of artificial copyright wont make a lick of difference to the small distributer, cos its the 'star system' that keeps em down anyway.
So nah. I just dont see why we need intelectual property. The laws required to maintain it remove cheap distribution channels like KAZZA from the market and just give more power to the cartels. Precisely what the original 'right' was there to protect against.
The Republican party will be dispanded, and perhaps a world war (over intelectual property) will occour. Laws on software will radically change for the better in 2012-2015 bringing the US inline with less recent but still new international IP law.
Furthermore, a Cabal of Masons and Catholics will deploy mind control lasers to manipulate the dollar, crash the stock market and prepare the way for Jehova-1 and the Yeti's impending invasion.
Indeed that is what he said. In this context, by making the Spammers feel more suffering and hurt (but not killing them dead) makes them more in touch with there humanity and the realness of there being.
In this respect fucking there shit up is a moral and courteous service to provide them. Kneecapings and all.
If this data were left exposed, collected and put online about most any other group, be it alcoholics or political dissidents, you people would all be appalled, talking about 1984, dissing Microsoft for bad security even though they have nothing to do with it...
But instead, one of the first comments is a calculation of how much ammo we'll need...
Have a heart, people! Sure, spammers are jerks, we can laugh at them and make fun of them, but don't you have any sense of decency?
And while your at it. Have a heart for Neo Nazis. Suuuuure they want to kill all the different people. Suuuuuuuure they sell drugs to school children, but *DONT YOU HAVE ANY SORT OF DECENCY??????*
As the systems admin who will test those patches in a test lab before rolling them out to people, you will make sure that will not happen if you valuie that paycheck. Blindly checking off security updates for addition to the network is studipity no matter what the platform, wther you use up2date or MS AutoUpdate. For MS systems, having a SUS server helps centralize this process since you check off what you authorize to get pushed to the network. Active Directory policies can enforce this. Those that don't want to play in the domain can piss off. If you want to keep them off the network, there is always 802.1x.
All of which assumes an SOE environment. All of which is irelevant when it comes to dealing with 'homegrown' environments. Why pray tell will your sysadmin know that the generalised patch on a mishmash of machine is statistically more likely to do x or y than microsofts rather large scale testing procedure. Seems really unlikely imho. Do you know if the client on the AD is really an XP, 2000 or Samba3 box for instance?
If Slashdot's going to protest, it should place more prominance on repealing or fixing the existing laws in the US than on preventing the laws from being enacted in the EU.
After all, they don't even have computers in europe don't they.:) USA #1
I'll also add while I'm at it, that the job I had allowed me to have a fair degree of experimentation space (research is damn cool work).
The surprise on my bosses face when I showed those little camera arm controllers logging on to the NT domain (samba) was worth a million dollars. It was one of those "golly I'm smart" days.
Infact I just flipped an option on the kernel compile;)
This is what AXIS does. Most of the stuff for its camera servers is linux (either 2.2/4 or ulinux) with a boa server running the http, and busybox most of the userland. What they do then is have 'drivers' that sit in userland that they dont opensource.
This however IS slightly shitful, as it makes it impossible to rebuild the system (to do a value add to the boxes). I've had *MANY* an arguement with those cats over this. (Hint Axis: Dont sign NDA's if your doing business with customers who wont sign em either!)
Actually, Embedded Linux is the present! I am this very minute putting the finishing touches on embedded Linux code shipping in a projector! Sorry, WindRiver -- guess you aren't the Micro$oft of the embedded world after all!
You bet its the present! One of my previous jobs was building controlers from camera pan/tilt systems. We figured we could value add by getting Axis's dev kits and building from there(the side benifit getting mjpeg digitisation). Mine Gott! it was good. Being able to just shopping cart for open source bits to all whack together and put in the box, and the whole vibe of "You show me yours we'll show you ours" sorta sharing made it such a fast process.
The tragedy was, that while we where doing real work, the MS kids would be trying to sell us on signed drivers and shit. I actually felt embaressed for em, cos they *really* didnt get the market.
Alas. The main 2 defences mountable run at the trade off of 'shitifying' your tcp stack performance. Either way its a DOS in the tradition of those lil syn fucker type DOS's just has some maths in its head and rather operates on timeouts.
I'm pretty certain that my firewall would flag the bursts. If not, seems a simple rule or two would suffice to flag them. I'd like to see this in action. I suspect that it is pretty lame and easily detected.
My guess is that by Friday night, the kiddies will have thousands of these going. So, I guess I can do see for myself tomorrow
Ah. sure dude.
Not sure how a firewall helps with DOS and DDOS attacks however. something floods your pipe, and its flooded, no matter how clever your firewall is. Try reading the article:)
Any experienced coder can learn the basics of a programming language in under 24h but to actually competently code a large project, it takes a lot more practice an in depth study
I presume you havent played around with python yet? Seriously dude. Thats a 24h mastery cycle. Perhaps a little longer to find all the best fun in the libs.
Not disapointing at all. Sure the gee-whiz factor is pretty cool, but I for one value my freedom.
The idea that if every damn corner has a camera , and it can report to a central database who it sees then it means that every damn step I take is monitored by central government.
Philosophers like Micheal Foucault warned that discipline and obeyance is largely something that comes from people self regulating moderated by the effects of social and institutional surveilance (his critique was deeper than this, but this is a nutshell take on it).
And I sometimes think DISobeyance is a good thing sometimes. When some power that be pisses you off, its almost incumbent on you to give em a kick in the shins. Or rather: F*k illegitimate authority.
And I'll go one further if your doing videoconferencing, talk to videoconferencing people, not IT people.
No offence to my own profession, but as someone whos worked in both industries, I can say that most IT people are clueless when it comes to VC applications. "Whatya mean switched ISDN connection? Whats wrong with the intarweb?".
Being a slashdotter means never having to say you're sorry when you ostracize a seemingly archaic, yet dependable, technology that shows its worth when all else fails.
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WTF is the matter with you? Don't you know that ALL articles concerning OS problems, features, perks, discounts and fantasies are now required to start out with an obligatory SCO joke?
:)
Ok! Ok!
*Ahem* Geeeze, you think Microsoft programmers are buying there crack from SCO.
Happy?
Dead right.
... well the same.
The python/XML-RPC combo is particularly tasty.
Using the simplexmlrpcserver object its pretty much a case of point the server object at the served object and your away. Accessing the object is as simple as
Xml-Rpc may have a less-advanced reputation, but truth be told is that theres precious little soap can do that it cant , and what else soap CAN do (variants) it probably shouldnt.
The big advantage for the Xml-Rpc specification is that its STABLE. It fits on a couple pages of description and it doesnt change. Point versions of the Soap spec send entire code bases reduntant.
Why would a programer be so retarded to use Soap? To put it another way, whats more dangerous a retarded-but-reliable spec or a retarded-AND-useless program(er)?
It is in python :)
1. import xmlrpclib
2. myserver = xmlrpclib.Server('http://rarara.com:8000')
3. myresult = myserver.profit()
Yup. Xmlrpc invocation in 3 lines.
I got an easier one ;-
Open letter from Open source community to Mr McBride
Dear Mr McBride,
Fuck you and Die,
Sincerely,
Humanity.
I didnt say he was a guru. Just someone who knows a bit more on the issue than My CS/IT background.
And yeah. Its a job description that impresses me.
Cops , firemen, helicopter pilots and Nasa scientists impress me deeply. Deal with it.
Its interesting your objection. A friend of mine is a physicist working at Nasa, and when I asked him on it, he said that what interested him is no one had given a good reason why it *shouldnt* work. The guy added he was a remote sensing dude and not a full guru on the nuclear stuff, but he made a good point.
A bad experiment doesnt necesarrily disprove a theory. Just the experiment.
You make the grave mistake of assuming we all actually agree that Intelectual property is a meaningful 'right' in the age of the internet.
I am not a historian, but I'd speculate strongly that the reason copyright was created, was to protect early publishers from having there work stolen by the larger cartels. This would of been related stongly to the high capital costs of establishing printing press. If one was going to sell the family farm to buy a press, one would want to make sure that the local works etc printed would not be stolen by monopolists.
A similar reasoning could be applied to the musical records produced in the 1900's. Again related to high production costs. But what happened is that 'the star system' was created and that meant that again and again local talent was overlooked by punters to ensure only the international cartels got full access to the hip pockets of music fans. The kids wanted micheal jackson rather than local band X.
In the age of the internet however production costs are low enough that a local band can afford to produce musical works, even on a welfare buget, and distribute them cheaply, perhaps over the internet. This allows small labels to compete with the large labels on production and distribution costs, and in doing so removes the verry reason copyright was needed.
Of course the big labels still have the star system, and the existance or absence of artificial copyright wont make a lick of difference to the small distributer, cos its the 'star system' that keeps em down anyway.
So nah. I just dont see why we need intelectual property. The laws required to maintain it remove cheap distribution channels like KAZZA from the market and just give more power to the cartels. Precisely what the original 'right' was there to protect against.
The Republican party will be dispanded, and perhaps a world war (over intelectual property) will occour. Laws on software will radically change for the better in 2012-2015 bringing the US inline with less recent but still new international IP law.
Furthermore, a Cabal of Masons and Catholics will deploy mind control lasers to manipulate the dollar, crash the stock market and prepare the way for Jehova-1 and the Yeti's impending invasion.
Only "Bob" can save us now.
Yes.
Oh that and personality clash...
Q.
Belive it brother. Believe it.
For comparison, see musicians.
(speaking as a programming muso. Worship me)
Niezche you mean :)
That which does not kill you makes you stronger.
Indeed that is what he said. In this context, by making the Spammers feel more suffering and hurt (but not killing them dead) makes them more in touch with there humanity and the realness of there being.
In this respect fucking there shit up is a moral and courteous service to provide them. Kneecapings and all.
:P Philosophy is fun ya?
If this data were left exposed, collected and put online about most any other group, be it alcoholics or political dissidents, you people would all be appalled, talking about 1984, dissing Microsoft for bad security even though they have nothing to do with it...
But instead, one of the first comments is a calculation of how much ammo we'll need...
Have a heart, people! Sure, spammers are jerks, we can laugh at them and make fun of them, but don't you have any sense of decency?
And while your at it. Have a heart for Neo Nazis. Suuuuure they want to kill all the different people. Suuuuuuuure they sell drugs to school children, but *DONT YOU HAVE ANY SORT OF DECENCY??????*
*hiCkup*
(I've always wanted to hickup in a post)
As the systems admin who will test those patches in a test lab before rolling them out to people, you will make sure that will not happen if you valuie that paycheck. Blindly checking off security updates for addition to the network is studipity no matter what the platform, wther you use up2date or MS AutoUpdate. For MS systems, having a SUS server helps centralize this process since you check off what you authorize to get pushed to the network. Active Directory policies can enforce this. Those that don't want to play in the domain can piss off. If you want to keep them off the network, there is always 802.1x.
All of which assumes an SOE environment. All of which is irelevant when it comes to dealing with 'homegrown' environments. Why pray tell will your sysadmin know that the generalised patch on a mishmash of machine is statistically more likely to do x or y than microsofts rather large scale testing procedure. Seems really unlikely imho. Do you know if the client on the AD is really an XP, 2000 or Samba3 box for instance?
If Slashdot's going to protest, it should place more prominance on repealing or fixing the existing laws in the US than on preventing the laws from being enacted in the EU.
After all, they don't even have computers in europe don't they.
I'll also add while I'm at it, that the job I had allowed me to have a fair degree of experimentation space (research is damn cool work).
The surprise on my bosses face when I showed those little camera arm controllers logging on to the NT domain (samba) was worth a million dollars. It was one of those "golly I'm smart" days.
Infact I just flipped an option on the kernel compile;)
Never did finish that python port tho.
This is what AXIS does. Most of the stuff for its camera servers is linux (either 2.2/4 or ulinux) with a boa server running the http, and busybox most of the userland.
What they do then is have 'drivers' that sit in userland that they dont opensource.
This however IS slightly shitful, as it makes it impossible to rebuild the system (to do a value add to the boxes). I've had *MANY* an arguement with those cats over this. (Hint Axis: Dont sign NDA's if your doing business with customers who wont sign em either!)
Actually, Embedded Linux is the present! I am this very minute putting the finishing touches on embedded Linux code shipping in a projector! Sorry, WindRiver -- guess you aren't the Micro$oft of the embedded world after all!
You bet its the present! One of my previous jobs was building controlers from camera pan/tilt systems. We figured we could value add by getting Axis's dev kits and building from there(the side benifit getting mjpeg digitisation). Mine Gott! it was good. Being able to just shopping cart for open source bits to all whack together and put in the box, and the whole vibe of "You show me yours we'll show you ours" sorta sharing made it such a fast process.
The tragedy was, that while we where doing real work, the MS kids would be trying to sell us on signed drivers and shit. I actually felt embaressed for em, cos they *really* didnt get the market.
Its not a weakness. Its a feature ;)
:)
Alas. The main 2 defences mountable run at the trade off of 'shitifying' your tcp stack performance. Either way its a DOS in the tradition of those lil syn fucker type DOS's just has some maths in its head and rather operates on timeouts.
Eh... its 2.15. Time fer bed
I'm pretty certain that my firewall would flag the bursts. If not, seems a simple rule or two would suffice to flag them. I'd like to see this in action. I suspect that it is pretty lame and easily detected.
:)
My guess is that by Friday night, the kiddies will have thousands of these going. So, I guess I can do see for myself tomorrow
Ah. sure dude.
Not sure how a firewall helps with DOS and DDOS attacks however. something floods your pipe, and its flooded, no matter how clever your firewall is. Try reading the article
Any experienced coder can learn the basics of a programming language in under 24h but to actually competently code a large project, it takes a lot more practice an in depth study
I presume you havent played around with python yet? Seriously dude. Thats a 24h mastery cycle. Perhaps a little longer to find all the best fun in the libs.
I might be wrong, but I think australias Argyle mine is independant of DeBeers and produces freakishly good pink diamonds.
Aparently DeBeers don't like argyle too much. Guess why.
Not disapointing at all. Sure the gee-whiz factor is pretty cool, but I for one value my freedom.
The idea that if every damn corner has a camera , and it can report to a central database who it sees then it means that every damn step I take is monitored by central government.
Philosophers like Micheal Foucault warned that discipline and obeyance is largely something that comes from people self regulating moderated by the effects of social and institutional surveilance (his critique was deeper than this, but this is a nutshell take on it).
And I sometimes think DISobeyance is a good thing sometimes. When some power that be pisses you off, its almost incumbent on you to give em a kick in the shins. Or rather: F*k illegitimate authority.
Because of this, we believe that the Samba must remain true to our principles and be freely available to use even in ways we personally disapprove of.
Even when used by rank hypocrites like SCO.
Goddam get these boys a beer. Open source commandos all the way. This warms my heart no end.
I aprove!
And I'll go one further if your doing videoconferencing, talk to videoconferencing people, not IT people.
No offence to my own profession, but as someone whos worked in both industries, I can say that most IT people are clueless when it comes to VC applications. "Whatya mean switched ISDN connection? Whats wrong with the intarweb?".
Just an observation.
Don't laugh. Used to work in vid conf field. Its free money my friend. It really is.
Being a slashdotter means never having to say you're sorry when you ostracize a seemingly archaic, yet dependable, technology that shows its worth when all else fails.
Now you leave Ms-DOS out of this ya hear!