For most basic stuff it works fine. without editing the config file. JWZ bought sound card X and found out it wasn't what he thought it was. I would love to see him try random sound cards in his OS-X box and see how they work.
Funny, there have been groups that have already tried to address a number of those "fixes". it's called LSB.unfortunately, more than half of the major distros don't seem to want to conform to it. go figure.
He posted it in a public forum. if I go out in my front yard and start yelling about stuff that irritates me, I have no reasonable expectation for those statements to be private. if he wanted privacy, he should have made an attempt to state this private. I'm thinking he just didn't want the bandwidth usage.
That's interesting, I've set it up on an FC2 box following the howto and it works fine, perhaps you want to try to work out your problem? Almost every time I've had experiance with JWZ he's been an ass. Abusive, whiney, and generally more concerned about how he shouldn't have to do something and how it was our fault(in #fedora) then he was about fixing whatever problem he was having.
Uhm, since somebody broke into their network and got the source to begin with, wouldn't it be reasonable to think they may have figured out how to remotely crack a cisco box?
I see roughly 40%-50% firefox at a library. and roughly 12% at a school. The library uses firefox internally, while the school uses ie, which only proves that statistics depend what you want to see.
I have Heroes of might and magic, myth 2 and Railroad tycoon two. of the three the only one that I can still get to work is Myth 2. I thought I would work around that problem and build a runtime environemnt. but that don't work on fedora 3 either.:-(
this guy isn't making a fair TCO analysis though. Windows and Linux have different strengths and different weaknesses. If I were going to install a linux network, I would use terminals. they can be built for less than $500/unit, and should last 10 years or more. In addition, you only have to really maintain a server, not 10 or 20 or 30 desktops *AND* a server. For example. If I were going to build a 30 computer lap for a school, and I was looking at windows. I would spend anywhere from $500 to $1500 per seat for the clients, then another $2000 - $3000 for the server, then maybe $2000 for a pair of networked color laser printers. This adds up to $19,000 - $50,000, and I've seen schools drop $50k on 20 seat labs.
If I was looking at Linux however, I would use LTSP, with a cost of $300 - $700 per seat for the clients, then another $3000 - $4000 for the server, and $2000 for a pair of networked color laser printers. This adds up to $14,000 - $27,000 for thirty seats.
The linux network costs between three fourths to half of what the windows network costs. and I don't have to worry about maintaining 30 machines, just one. in five years when it's time to upgrade, I replace the server for another $4,000, get a few more terminals to replace any that may have died.
Sure I may cost 10k/year more than a windows admin, but at the high end, after ten years(initial purchase and five year upgrade) I've more than paid for myself. not to mention the fact that as you add more seats/labs, the cost goes up.
I would tell you to scrap Gentoo, but you're using slack. at any rate, the HP laser printers should work fine in linux(see http://www.linuxprinting.org/ for more info) I'm amazed at how many people complain that stuff doesn't work without even trying it. Don't know about your setup. but on my fedora boxes, printing is a snap, CD writing works great, although I'm not cool enough to have a DVD burner. perhaps you have slack 3?
Britain is not a democracy. of course, neither is the US. We are a representative republic. which from what I understand is pretty close to what england is now. As the Monarchy is not much more than a figurehead.
for the machine itself, use a terminal. no moving parts means no fans to suck dust into the unit. and an LCD for the monitor. both componants require little to no ventilation.
If Dell could justify they're price tag with service reps that could speak my native language(english). I might consider it. As it is, I would rather purchase a whitebox and load RHEL myself.
I'll tell you how. By replacing your general staff's system's with $350 terminals from http://www.disklessworkstations.com, or as people have already pointed out, use a $100 computer as a terminal.Build a $2000 server to handle them (Will hold 10 users without a problem). Compared directly to your $1000 Gateway boxes, how much money do you save by using terminals instead of full systems? Even if you deploy windows to the terminals, roughly 400 extra for windows and for win4lin/VMWare. you *still* are saving between $350 - $500 per seat.
Gentoo eh? That's your problem right there. You're using a distro geared to the "do it yourself" crowd. If you want things to "just work" give Mandrake or Fedora or SuSE a go. All of which use ALSA, all of which aren't a problem to get working. Then, after it's all working, look at the configs to see what was done.
I beg to differ. at NCPL, http://www.ncpl.lib.in.us/ we use Mozilla on *all* of our patron machines and on somewhere around 60% of our staff use it(we have both IE and Firefox installed on the staff machines, so they can choose). Not only do we use Moz, but we use linux for all of our patron systems(even the two Macintoshes) and plan on doing a migration of the 20 or so staff machines to linux next year. so yes Virginia, you do see Mozilla in Libraries
while I agree with you in principle,.net and mono enables code re-use across languages... I can use the gtk bindings for mono in c#, VB, or any other program that targets the mono backend. so while this sounds like just another language, it really can be a helluva tool. not the be-all end-all, but still a very useful(not to mention versitile) one.
Yeah I read that when it came out. The point about the windows desktop being more integrated than a linux desktop was bullshit then, and it's bullshit now. The windows desktop is more integrated than a GNOME desktop for sure, but then for most GNOME applications, integration ends with G. I used Helix GNOME then, and I am currently using XD2(Ximian Desktop 2) now. and the inconsistancy is amazing. A nice example: File->Open dialogs(on XD2) work differently in OpenOffice, Evolution, galeon, and Mozilla. Nor can any of them open smb:// URLs, while you can do that in Nautilus. What? they're not really part of an integrated environment? then why does Ximian push it as such? Ximian has done some *really* nice things usability wise(I very much like the default layout of the interface itself). But the general "integration" of GNOME applications is *really* lacking. Normally I'm a KDE user, and I am amazed at the level of integration among apps. have an ics file on a web-server? Click on it and you view it as a calendar. Want to edit the Word DOC stored on your companies SMB server? Open it right up within KWord(the file->open dialogs support all the Virtual Filesystems that the file manager does). I don't think anybody should drop GNOME or KDE. I prefer KDE, some people don't. that's fine. But Miguel has a habit of taking the status of GNOME and applying it unilaterally
As others have mentioned, your numbers a somewhat broken. "Linux has, by some estimates, 20-30 percent of the server market, but it has gained little traction in either the corporate or consumer desktop market. In 2002, shipments of Linux desktops totaled 2.8 percent of the market, up from 1.7 percent in 2000, according to IDC. " --taken from the newsfactor.com story. the article clearly states that at the end of 2002, approximatly 2.8 percent of desktops shipped linux. The Mac article appears to refer to the same year. So in 2002, Apple had about a full percent of the market more than Linux, I haven't seen any numbers for 2003.
That's because most companies don't realize that once they have a port to Linux/x86, extending that to Linux/PPC should be a pretty trivial thing(especially if its an application and not a driver). If they had the foresight to opensource their games when the usefulness of them died(ala ID) then they would find that ports would pop up all over the place, and not only to Linux/ but to MacOS, and the BSDs
I've had a hell of a better time w/ linux detecting hardware then with windows autodetect
No windows leaves you open to the worm du jour, yes mostly via IE/Outlook but don't forget such favorites as IIS and Office too
many of the more games have been made available for linux at the same time or shortly afterwards, and every review I have ever seen(in photo editing mags no less) put the gimp on par w/ photoshop with one exception, cmyk.
Go into #windows and ask the inane questions that get asked in #linux, they get pissy too.
it does if you have to install it from scratch, there are a number of vendors who will sell you a pre-installed linux box, walmart.com being one off the top of my head
Linux is a great OS, and while I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, that has nothing to do with linux itself being broken. it has to do with the fact that it is *different* than windows. in some ways better, in some ways worse. in many ways, simply different. I can say with full confidence however that 30 to 40 percent of the people I know could change to linux and have only minor problems with it. I am migrating all staff machines to linux at the library I netadmin for. the pilots have thus far gone very well. my biggest problem has been with old softare and ISV's who seem to the mentality that if you're a linux user, you're a geek and treat you like a second class citizen. My second biggest problem has been nothing more than printing out frames.
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For most basic stuff it works fine. without editing the config file. JWZ bought sound card X and found out it wasn't what he thought it was. I would love to see him try random sound cards in his OS-X box and see how they work.
Funny, there have been groups that have already tried to address a number of those "fixes". it's called LSB.unfortunately, more than half of the major distros don't seem to want to conform to it. go figure.
He posted it in a public forum. if I go out in my front yard and start yelling about stuff that irritates me, I have no reasonable expectation for those statements to be private. if he wanted privacy, he should have made an attempt to state this private. I'm thinking he just didn't want the bandwidth usage.
That's interesting, I've set it up on an FC2 box following the howto and it works fine, perhaps you want to try to work out your problem?
Almost every time I've had experiance with JWZ he's been an ass. Abusive, whiney, and generally more concerned about how he shouldn't have to do something and how it was our fault(in #fedora) then he was about fixing whatever problem he was having.
Uhm, since somebody broke into their network and got the source to begin with, wouldn't it be reasonable to think they may have figured out how to remotely crack a cisco box?
I see roughly 40%-50% firefox at a library.
and roughly 12% at a school.
The library uses firefox internally, while the school uses ie, which only proves that statistics depend what you want to see.
I have Heroes of might and magic, myth 2 and Railroad tycoon two. of the three the only one that I can still get to work is Myth 2. I thought I would work around that problem and build a runtime environemnt. but that don't work on fedora 3 either. :-(
this guy isn't making a fair TCO analysis though. Windows and Linux have different strengths and different weaknesses. If I were going to install a linux network, I would use terminals. they can be built for less than $500/unit, and should last 10 years or more. In addition, you only have to really maintain a server, not 10 or 20 or 30 desktops *AND* a server.
For example.
If I were going to build a 30 computer lap for a school, and I was looking at windows. I would spend anywhere from $500 to $1500 per seat for the clients, then another $2000 - $3000 for the server, then maybe $2000 for a pair of networked color laser printers. This adds up to $19,000 - $50,000, and I've seen schools drop $50k on 20 seat labs.
If I was looking at Linux however, I would use LTSP, with a cost of $300 - $700 per seat for the clients, then another $3000 - $4000 for the server, and $2000 for a pair of networked color laser printers. This adds up to $14,000 - $27,000 for thirty seats.
The linux network costs between three fourths to half of what the windows network costs. and I don't have to worry about maintaining 30 machines, just one. in five years when it's time to upgrade, I replace the server for another $4,000, get a few more terminals to replace any that may have died.
Sure I may cost 10k/year more than a windows admin, but at the high end, after ten years(initial purchase and five year upgrade)
I've more than paid for myself. not to mention the fact that as you add more seats/labs, the cost goes up.
I would tell you to scrap Gentoo, but you're using slack.
at any rate, the HP laser printers should work fine in linux(see http://www.linuxprinting.org/ for more info) I'm amazed at how many people complain that stuff doesn't work without even trying it. Don't know about your setup. but on my fedora boxes, printing is a snap, CD writing works great, although I'm not cool enough to have a DVD burner. perhaps you have slack 3?
Britain is not a democracy.
of course, neither is the US.
We are a representative republic.
which from what I understand is pretty close to what england is now. As the Monarchy is not much more than a figurehead.
for the machine itself, use a terminal. no moving parts means no fans to suck dust into the unit.
and an LCD for the monitor. both componants require little to no ventilation.
If Dell could justify they're price tag with service reps that could speak my native language(english). I might consider it.
As it is, I would rather purchase a whitebox and load RHEL myself.
Why does your word processor require access to the Exchange server?
I'll tell you how.
By replacing your general staff's system's with $350 terminals from http://www.disklessworkstations.com, or as people have already pointed out, use a $100 computer as a terminal.Build a $2000 server to handle them (Will hold 10 users without a problem). Compared directly to your $1000 Gateway boxes, how much money do you save by using terminals instead of full systems? Even if you deploy windows to the terminals, roughly 400 extra for windows and for win4lin/VMWare. you *still* are saving between $350 - $500 per seat.
Gentoo eh? That's your problem right there.
You're using a distro geared to the "do it yourself" crowd. If you want things to "just work" give Mandrake or Fedora or SuSE a go. All of which use ALSA, all of which aren't a problem to get working. Then, after it's all working, look at the configs to see what was done.
don't point it unless you're going to use it...
my wife said that on our wedding day. I pointed, I used, and now we have a baby boy
I beg to differ. at NCPL, http://www.ncpl.lib.in.us/ we use Mozilla on *all* of our patron machines and on somewhere around 60% of our staff use it(we have both IE and Firefox installed on the staff machines, so they can choose). Not only do we use Moz, but we use linux for all of our patron systems(even the two Macintoshes) and plan on doing a migration of the 20 or so staff machines to linux next year. so yes Virginia, you do see Mozilla in Libraries
while I agree with you in principle, .net and mono enables code re-use across languages... I can use the gtk bindings for mono in c#, VB, or any other program that targets the mono backend. so while this sounds like just another language, it really can be a helluva tool. not the be-all end-all, but still a very useful(not to mention versitile) one.
Yeah I read that when it came out. The point about the windows desktop being more integrated than a linux desktop was bullshit then, and it's bullshit now. The windows desktop is more integrated than a GNOME desktop for sure, but then for most GNOME applications, integration ends with G. I used Helix GNOME then, and I am currently using XD2(Ximian Desktop 2) now. and the inconsistancy is amazing. A nice example: File->Open dialogs(on XD2) work differently in OpenOffice, Evolution, galeon, and Mozilla. Nor can any of them open smb:// URLs, while you can do that in Nautilus. What? they're not really part of an integrated environment? then why does Ximian push it as such? Ximian has done some *really* nice things usability wise(I very much like the default layout of the interface itself). But the general "integration" of GNOME applications is *really* lacking. Normally I'm a KDE user, and I am amazed at the level of integration among apps. have an ics file on a web-server? Click on it and you view it as a calendar. Want to edit the Word DOC stored on your companies SMB server? Open it right up within KWord(the file->open dialogs support all the Virtual Filesystems that the file manager does). I don't think anybody should drop GNOME or KDE. I prefer KDE, some people don't. that's fine. But Miguel has a habit of taking the status of GNOME and applying it unilaterally
That looks slick, would be interested in finding out where you got all the bits to put it together, and if it's got a gtk theme too
As others have mentioned, your numbers a somewhat broken.
"Linux has, by some estimates, 20-30 percent of the server market, but it has gained little traction in either the corporate or consumer desktop market. In 2002, shipments of Linux desktops totaled 2.8 percent of the market, up from 1.7 percent in 2000, according to IDC. " --taken from the newsfactor.com story.
the article clearly states that at the end of 2002, approximatly 2.8 percent of desktops shipped linux. The Mac article appears to refer to the same year. So in 2002, Apple had about a full percent of the market more than Linux, I haven't seen any numbers for 2003.
Windows used to run on ppc. never tried it though, and I don't know anything about games for it.
That's because most companies don't realize that once they have a port to Linux/x86, extending that to Linux/PPC should be a pretty trivial thing(especially if its an application and not a driver). If they had the foresight to opensource their games when the usefulness of them died(ala ID) then they would find that ports would pop up all over the place, and not only to Linux/ but to MacOS, and the BSDs
That's why you tell it to default to MS Office format.
Linux is a great OS, and while I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, that has nothing to do with linux itself being broken. it has to do with the fact that it is *different* than windows. in some ways better, in some ways worse. in many ways, simply different.
I can say with full confidence however that 30 to 40 percent of the people I know could change to linux and have only minor problems with it. I am migrating all staff machines to linux at the library I netadmin for. the pilots have thus far gone very well. my biggest problem has been with old softare and ISV's who seem to the mentality that if you're a linux user, you're a geek and treat you like a second class citizen. My second biggest problem has been nothing more than printing out frames.