Uhm, are you just stupid? I work in IT for a large company and I fully understand the difference between backup, data recovery, data retention, disaster recovery and business continuity. And you, my friend, are dumb as a post. Casual users don't need hot backups, offsite storage, or disaster recovery as you assert above. Were we talking about enterprise disaster recovery, or some schmuck who was backing up his hard drive to CD? Sorry Charlie, it was the latter. If you need lessons in the differences between data backup and business continuity feel free to give me a call, you sound like a novice.
Sorry but to me you still sound like a pirate. Anyone who understands technology knows that the CD was the pinnacle of optical storage technology. When the CD came out it was *hundreds* of times bigger than a hard drive, but today a hard drive is *hundreds* of times larger than even a DVD. No one smart still backs up data to optical media -- RAID5 or a second PC is always cheaper and faster. If you have thousands of CD's that need to be backed up you should do it to another hard drive. Otherwise you're either a doofus or a pirate. Seriously, the fact you even say that you need to duplicate thousands of "backup" CDs makes you highly suspect. If you had thousands of legal files backed up on CD you'd be trying your damndest to move them to a better backup medium.
Seriously is the author daft? If you're only duplicating your disks every few years then I've got news for you -- a second 24x or faster CD-writer costs under a hundred bucks! And every CD burning program out there supports disk duplication.
Seriously, even if it takes a couple days I don't understand why you need a machine dedicated to disk duplication if you re-burn your backups only every two or three years. Or perhaps are you looking for advice on disk pirating devices and you used a recent (and duplicate)/. article as an excuse to slip under the radar?
While the patent application itself has no information to link it to Microsoft I can't help but imagine this was the brainchild of a Microsoft employee who is a Mac enthusiast and who has a decent sense of humour. Obviously this is not a Microsoft patent but I suspect we have a MS huckster with a penchant for the kind of humour that's popular on/.
Good for him/her, if you spend all your time scowling at Microsoft your face will freeze that way. Ya gotta smile from time to time.:)
For the two seconds ending 3:22:05 04 May 2004, AMD sold one processor and Intel sold none, giving AMD 100% market share and Intel 0%. Sure it's only two seconds, but perhaps this indicates that AMD is really building momentum!
This one-week stat means little or nothing since: a) it discounts all notebooks which are primarily Intel, and b) it's only talking about the US retail channel. So it ignores the fact that the #1 PC maker in the US (Dell) only sells Intel, and it ignores the massive number of corporate purchases that are mostly Intel. Besides, maybe this wasn't an average week for the industry. Maybe Best Buy was back-ordered on their best-selling Intel part and it skewed the stats.
This is analagous to Tom's Hardware reporting that ATI beats the new NVidia chip in Battlefield 1942 at 640x480 with FSAA disabled and it "could indicate a growing trend!"
Personally I'm surprised nobody is lobbing Big Blue's name around in all these discussions, because I think the Sun/Microsoft deal has a lot more to do with IBM than it does with Sun.
IBM is the only company in the world that could realistically engage in a multi-front competitive battle with Microsoft. And if they were capable of gaining more control of Java (perhaps by a cash investment in Sun, or perhaps even buying them) they would pose a far greater threat to Microsoft than Netscape ever did. IBM's e-business strategy coupled with Java control would be an unstoppable force.
People talk about Microsoft competitors yet they raise company names like Sun, Real, or Netscape. The threat they pose to Microsoft is a drop in the bucket compared to IBM and their e-business strategy. A strategy that is incredibly reliant on Java.
Taking it a logical step further lets assume Microsoft made this settlement not to take *Sun* out of the game, but rather to take *IBM* out of the game. Perhaps the silence on the Java front is because $2 billion is the price to get Sun to walk away from Java. Silently. Could this cause Rich Green to leave in disgust?
Personally I suspect this deal was all about dealing a terrible blow to IBM. I think the one thing Sun and Microsoft aren't talking about is the one thing they ever really cared about in this deal -- Java. I hope not, but the more I read the more sure I become that Sun has done a deal with the devil and Java was the bargaining chip.
Back in my day... (spoken with an ol'-grandpa voice) Back in my day when v.42bis came out, we could advertise 6:1 compression! Then Stac came out with DoubleSpace and we could advertise 4:1 compression. Then Microsoft stole DoubleSpace and named it DriveSpace and we were promised 3:1 compression.
Now these young whipper-snappers with their Jaz drives only offer 2.6:1 compression. Kids these days...
Their web site erroneously states that the drive has "rugged 35GB disks that can store up to 90GB** of compressed data". Sorry, Charlie, but a 35GB disk can only hold 35GB of compressed data. Perhaps it can hold 90GB of data, compressed but unless they've managed to break the laws of physics, no 35GB drive can hold more than 35GB of compressed data. Clueless marketing folk strike again.;-)
Ahh yes, the paperclip. Otherwise known as the productivity police. "Productivity detected! BINK! BINK! Now interrupting with inane and irrelevant suggestion"
One of the things I find most interesting about this guide is how much it focuses not on how MS-Office is better but on the many inconveniences you will suffer by switching away from it. They focus on the pains of data migration, macros, and training. And to the question "What if OpenOffice has all the features I need" they don't attempt to refute the claim, they point to all the pain you will feel when MS-Office users start sending their "full-featured" documents to people who only have OpenOffice. MS-Office was feature-complete as of Office 95, everything else is not simply window dressing, it's down-right irritating
I share your frustration, and for the most part agree with everything you say. Really the problem isn't people who aren't computer-literate, it's people who are stupid. Whenever a big worm scare makes it onto CNN I invariably get phone calls from relatives who have internet but know nothing WHATSOEVER about computers. The conversation usually goes like this:
"David, I haven't used my computer in a few days because I'm afraid of getting that worm. What should I do, is it safe to use the computer?"
Usually I end up chuckling and telling them they're perfectly safe. Sometimes I have to go for a visit and patch their machine for them. But hell, at least they're smart enough and responsible enough to realize there's a problem and they should make a concerted effort to do something about it. Hell, my 77-year-old grandmother has the smarts not to install Gator or Incredimail, and to call me if she hears about a new worm making the rounds. Sure she wouldn't be able to run Windows update if you paid her, but she knows to call someone and ask for help!
By the same token I also end up getting the phone call from the same people every 2 months complaining their computer stopped working. "Stop screwing with it then," I say. "Oh I didn't!" they protest. Sure enough, I have to go by their house and uninstall twenty screensavers, Gator, a bunch of spyware, crappy games, useless demos, the P2P flavour of the month. "Your computer is working now, do you like the fact that it's working?" 'Yes.' "So there's absolutely no reason for you to install new software once I leave, right?" 'Right.' "So you won't install anything, right?" 'Ok.'
Two months later I'm back to fix it again. @#$%$%!
Yes, you too can enjoy this one. If you're running Windows you can accomplish this just by shrinking the icons in your task bar to the right size, other people may need to SHRINK their browser window until only the first 11 letters of this article thread are visible. And then what do you get?
It's always pissed me off that LucasFilms suckers their customers into buying multiple copies of a DVD by never telling us what they're working on and how many versions of a film will be released. So you buy the original on VHS. Then you buy the enhanced on VHS. Then you buy the enhanced on DVD. Then the original on DVD. Then the uber-boxed set on DVD.
At least Peter Jackson has the class to say "there will be two versions released, and this is the date and this is what it will contain." Sure we'll see a boxed set at some point but at least I've been able to get by with buying only one copy of each because I knew exactly what releases to expect, well in advance. It's almost like... like... respecting your customers or something??? Very odd, I wonder if this will catch on?
I cough in Acer's general direction. 16 pounds, that's nothing! Apple already has a 40lb notebook for sale. That's a full 24 pounds heavier than Acer's, and it has a 20" LCD to boot! Yupm you guessed it, it's called an iMac.
Really now, the article says this brick actually uses a 120GB desktop IDE drive, just cause you throw a hinge on a desktop with integrated LCD doesn't make it a notebook. If this is how Acer plans to recapture the North American market I wish them luck.
I agree, I think it's extremely unlikely that trade between the US and China will be halted, but it's certainly a possibility the Chinese government has to prepare for. Relations between the countries have been soured by the Tiananmen Square incident, the downing of a US spy plane, the Bush administration's pre-emptive strike policy, and many other things. These are all recent events, not history. The world scene can change quickly. The US and Russia went from arch rivals to allies in the span of about 5 years. The US and Iraq went from allies to enemies in only a few weeks. It's not far-fetched by any stretch of the imagination.
I dislike the policy, but its still a hell of a lot better than what IBM does. They like to increase the salaries of their management, fire their employees and hire Indians to do the work cheaper.
Out of curiosity, how far does your "scope of worthiness" extend? Obviously you think Indians don't deserve jobs even if they can do the work cheaper, but what if those jobs moved to Canada? Would IBM still be evil? What if they only jumped state? Or maybe stayed in-state but moved to a different urban centre? Or just out to the suburbs where real estate is cheaper? Welcome to capitalism man, it's called competition. If you can't compete you're removed from the market.
Do you honestly think China is of the mind that U.S. companies act like the U.S. government?
No of course not. What I'm getting at is that US / Chinese political relations are spotty at best. The Chinese government would be guilty of gross negligence if they didn't do anything to insulate themselves from the risk of a trade embargo. Thousands of well-meaning US companies don't mean a thing when the government forbids you to trade.
Run on over to Novell's website and look at their press releases. Novell has been involved in creating the whole chinese infrastucture
I ask this with all respect and seriousness: "Are you on dope?" No, what I mean is that I took your comment on good faith and went to look at the Novell web page. The only thing on the Press Releases web page is the press release from today, March 1st. And there's nothing on the Corporate Press Releases page even remotely related to China. Under International Press Releases there isn't even a section for China. Did you think I'd be too lazy to check their web site on your suggestion?
Now as for being wrong, I'm not. China is well aware that their infrastructure is based on Cisco hardware and Intel-based PCs and Microsoft software. That's why you see things like the Dragon chip and threats of domestic software quotas. China wants to transition their population from importing these technologies from western companies and develop them locally. Whether it be Novell or Microsoft, China doesn't want to import all their technology from a potentially hostile nation. You know, a nation with a pre-emptive strike policy?
And furthermore, how can anyone with a straight face say that Novell can sweeten the deal for the Chinese government by offering IP? We're talking Linux on the desktop here, what IP does Novell control that has relevance to Linux on the desktop???
Surely you're joking right? You're not actually contending that Novell has the business volume and financial muscle to sweeten the pot for a nation that boasts a population of 1.3 billion? China doesn't need Novell, their economic policy is quite simple: "We have such an enormous population that we can afford to have exclusionary trade policies and it won't hurt us." Whether this is true or not isn't something I care to debate, but the fact of the matter is they don't want to fill the coffers of *any* North American businesses. Be it Microsoft or Novell.
Oh I'm torn, what to do, what to do... "Litigous Bastards" is already taken.
Oh, and for Infinium... I probably wouldn't have bought your console before, and I definitely won't now but... are you DAFT? I never read the original article but I'm on my way to read it now. What is the technical term for this practise? "Unadvertising"??? Yanno, when you pay good money for BAD publicity for your products? (shakes head...)
Well I read the interview and he's definitely a lot more in tune with technology than I am, and I'm young and work in IT! The guy's mind is sharp as a razor blade, no doubting that.
Actually, it's a no-brainer -- they will sue Google. And before you say "ahh yes, Google, a huge Linux user" you should instead think to yourself "ahh yes Google, the premiere search engine." Because when the suit comes, that's what it will really be about. SCO is just a Microsoft puppet being used to do the nasty things M$ can't do in public.
What is Microsoft's next "big thing?" Web searching. And who have they set their sights on? Google. Fortunately for Microsoft, Google also happens to run Linux, so they can dispatch their little lap-dog on a smear campaign. Does it really matter if Google is vindicated or not if Microsoft can make businesses think "IP theft" when they think "Google?" You heard it here first...
"We've already heard that SCO have invoked the winged minions of hell via 'voodoo dools shaped like the CEOs of Fortune 1000 companies.' The specifics come via a photo of a doll made to look like Samuel J. Palmisano of IBM - they've decided that they own the souls of about 65 CEOs running Linux - largely IBM, HP and Ford." balloonpup also notes "CNet News has reported that SCO has reported a fourth quarter loss of $1.6 million, owing mostly to hefty witchdoctor and soothsayer fees in its war against Linux. SCO said they would have reported $7.4 million in earnings, if not for the $9 million payout to the Prince of Darkness. Way to go, SCO!" Many readers also point out a Groklaw article indicating Novell has been praying for the souls of CEOs running Linux with the Holy Catholic Church, so that "both the SCO Group and Novell have claimed the souls of the same people."
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Uhm, are you just stupid? I work in IT for a large company and I fully understand the difference between backup, data recovery, data retention, disaster recovery and business continuity. And you, my friend, are dumb as a post. Casual users don't need hot backups, offsite storage, or disaster recovery as you assert above. Were we talking about enterprise disaster recovery, or some schmuck who was backing up his hard drive to CD? Sorry Charlie, it was the latter. If you need lessons in the differences between data backup and business continuity feel free to give me a call, you sound like a novice.
Sorry but to me you still sound like a pirate. Anyone who understands technology knows that the CD was the pinnacle of optical storage technology. When the CD came out it was *hundreds* of times bigger than a hard drive, but today a hard drive is *hundreds* of times larger than even a DVD. No one smart still backs up data to optical media -- RAID5 or a second PC is always cheaper and faster. If you have thousands of CD's that need to be backed up you should do it to another hard drive. Otherwise you're either a doofus or a pirate. Seriously, the fact you even say that you need to duplicate thousands of "backup" CDs makes you highly suspect. If you had thousands of legal files backed up on CD you'd be trying your damndest to move them to a better backup medium.
Seriously is the author daft? If you're only duplicating your disks every few years then I've got news for you -- a second 24x or faster CD-writer costs under a hundred bucks! And every CD burning program out there supports disk duplication.
Seriously, even if it takes a couple days I don't understand why you need a machine dedicated to disk duplication if you re-burn your backups only every two or three years. Or perhaps are you looking for advice on disk pirating devices and you used a recent (and duplicate) /. article as an excuse to slip under the radar?
Good for him/her, if you spend all your time scowling at Microsoft your face will freeze that way. Ya gotta smile from time to time. :)
For the two seconds ending 3:22:05 04 May 2004, AMD sold one processor and Intel sold none, giving AMD 100% market share and Intel 0%. Sure it's only two seconds, but perhaps this indicates that AMD is really building momentum!
This one-week stat means little or nothing since: a) it discounts all notebooks which are primarily Intel, and b) it's only talking about the US retail channel. So it ignores the fact that the #1 PC maker in the US (Dell) only sells Intel, and it ignores the massive number of corporate purchases that are mostly Intel. Besides, maybe this wasn't an average week for the industry. Maybe Best Buy was back-ordered on their best-selling Intel part and it skewed the stats.
This is analagous to Tom's Hardware reporting that ATI beats the new NVidia chip in Battlefield 1942 at 640x480 with FSAA disabled and it "could indicate a growing trend!"
Personally I'm surprised nobody is lobbing Big Blue's name around in all these discussions, because I think the Sun/Microsoft deal has a lot more to do with IBM than it does with Sun.
IBM is the only company in the world that could realistically engage in a multi-front competitive battle with Microsoft. And if they were capable of gaining more control of Java (perhaps by a cash investment in Sun, or perhaps even buying them) they would pose a far greater threat to Microsoft than Netscape ever did. IBM's e-business strategy coupled with Java control would be an unstoppable force.
People talk about Microsoft competitors yet they raise company names like Sun, Real, or Netscape. The threat they pose to Microsoft is a drop in the bucket compared to IBM and their e-business strategy. A strategy that is incredibly reliant on Java.
Taking it a logical step further lets assume Microsoft made this settlement not to take *Sun* out of the game, but rather to take *IBM* out of the game. Perhaps the silence on the Java front is because $2 billion is the price to get Sun to walk away from Java. Silently. Could this cause Rich Green to leave in disgust?
Personally I suspect this deal was all about dealing a terrible blow to IBM. I think the one thing Sun and Microsoft aren't talking about is the one thing they ever really cared about in this deal -- Java. I hope not, but the more I read the more sure I become that Sun has done a deal with the devil and Java was the bargaining chip.
Back in my day... (spoken with an ol'-grandpa voice) Back in my day when v.42bis came out, we could advertise 6:1 compression! Then Stac came out with DoubleSpace and we could advertise 4:1 compression. Then Microsoft stole DoubleSpace and named it DriveSpace and we were promised 3:1 compression.
Now these young whipper-snappers with their Jaz drives only offer 2.6:1 compression. Kids these days...
Their web site erroneously states that the drive has "rugged 35GB disks that can store up to 90GB** of compressed data". Sorry, Charlie, but a 35GB disk can only hold 35GB of compressed data. Perhaps it can hold 90GB of data, compressed but unless they've managed to break the laws of physics, no 35GB drive can hold more than 35GB of compressed data. Clueless marketing folk strike again. ;-)
I cast my vote for Fruit Rollups. Best thing about them is you don't have to order them, you can just print them. Taste about the same, too!
Ahh yes, the paperclip. Otherwise known as the productivity police. "Productivity detected! BINK! BINK! Now interrupting with inane and irrelevant suggestion"
One of the things I find most interesting about this guide is how much it focuses not on how MS-Office is better but on the many inconveniences you will suffer by switching away from it. They focus on the pains of data migration, macros, and training. And to the question "What if OpenOffice has all the features I need" they don't attempt to refute the claim, they point to all the pain you will feel when MS-Office users start sending their "full-featured" documents to people who only have OpenOffice. MS-Office was feature-complete as of Office 95, everything else is not simply window dressing, it's down-right irritating
I share your frustration, and for the most part agree with everything you say. Really the problem isn't people who aren't computer-literate, it's people who are stupid. Whenever a big worm scare makes it onto CNN I invariably get phone calls from relatives who have internet but know nothing WHATSOEVER about computers. The conversation usually goes like this:
"David, I haven't used my computer in a few days because I'm afraid of getting that worm. What should I do, is it safe to use the computer?"
Usually I end up chuckling and telling them they're perfectly safe. Sometimes I have to go for a visit and patch their machine for them. But hell, at least they're smart enough and responsible enough to realize there's a problem and they should make a concerted effort to do something about it. Hell, my 77-year-old grandmother has the smarts not to install Gator or Incredimail, and to call me if she hears about a new worm making the rounds. Sure she wouldn't be able to run Windows update if you paid her, but she knows to call someone and ask for help!
By the same token I also end up getting the phone call from the same people every 2 months complaining their computer stopped working. "Stop screwing with it then," I say. "Oh I didn't!" they protest. Sure enough, I have to go by their house and uninstall twenty screensavers, Gator, a bunch of spyware, crappy games, useless demos, the P2P flavour of the month. "Your computer is working now, do you like the fact that it's working?" 'Yes.' "So there's absolutely no reason for you to install new software once I leave, right?" 'Right.' "So you won't install anything, right?" 'Ok.'
Two months later I'm back to fix it again. @#$%$%!
Yes, you too can enjoy this one. If you're running Windows you can accomplish this just by shrinking the icons in your task bar to the right size, other people may need to SHRINK their browser window until only the first 11 letters of this article thread are visible. And then what do you get?
SCO - EV1, L
Yay, that was fun!
It's always pissed me off that LucasFilms suckers their customers into buying multiple copies of a DVD by never telling us what they're working on and how many versions of a film will be released. So you buy the original on VHS. Then you buy the enhanced on VHS. Then you buy the enhanced on DVD. Then the original on DVD. Then the uber-boxed set on DVD.
At least Peter Jackson has the class to say "there will be two versions released, and this is the date and this is what it will contain." Sure we'll see a boxed set at some point but at least I've been able to get by with buying only one copy of each because I knew exactly what releases to expect, well in advance. It's almost like... like... respecting your customers or something??? Very odd, I wonder if this will catch on?
I cough in Acer's general direction. 16 pounds, that's nothing! Apple already has a 40lb notebook for sale. That's a full 24 pounds heavier than Acer's, and it has a 20" LCD to boot! Yupm you guessed it, it's called an iMac.
Really now, the article says this brick actually uses a 120GB desktop IDE drive, just cause you throw a hinge on a desktop with integrated LCD doesn't make it a notebook. If this is how Acer plans to recapture the North American market I wish them luck.
I agree, I think it's extremely unlikely that trade between the US and China will be halted, but it's certainly a possibility the Chinese government has to prepare for. Relations between the countries have been soured by the Tiananmen Square incident, the downing of a US spy plane, the Bush administration's pre-emptive strike policy, and many other things. These are all recent events, not history. The world scene can change quickly. The US and Russia went from arch rivals to allies in the span of about 5 years. The US and Iraq went from allies to enemies in only a few weeks. It's not far-fetched by any stretch of the imagination.
I dislike the policy, but its still a hell of a lot better than what IBM does. They like to increase the salaries of their management, fire their employees and hire Indians to do the work cheaper.
Out of curiosity, how far does your "scope of worthiness" extend? Obviously you think Indians don't deserve jobs even if they can do the work cheaper, but what if those jobs moved to Canada? Would IBM still be evil? What if they only jumped state? Or maybe stayed in-state but moved to a different urban centre? Or just out to the suburbs where real estate is cheaper? Welcome to capitalism man, it's called competition. If you can't compete you're removed from the market.
Do you honestly think China is of the mind that U.S. companies act like the U.S. government?
No of course not. What I'm getting at is that US / Chinese political relations are spotty at best. The Chinese government would be guilty of gross negligence if they didn't do anything to insulate themselves from the risk of a trade embargo. Thousands of well-meaning US companies don't mean a thing when the government forbids you to trade.
Run on over to Novell's website and look at their press releases. Novell has been involved in creating the whole chinese infrastucture
I ask this with all respect and seriousness: "Are you on dope?" No, what I mean is that I took your comment on good faith and went to look at the Novell web page. The only thing on the Press Releases web page is the press release from today, March 1st. And there's nothing on the Corporate Press Releases page even remotely related to China. Under International Press Releases there isn't even a section for China. Did you think I'd be too lazy to check their web site on your suggestion?
Now as for being wrong, I'm not. China is well aware that their infrastructure is based on Cisco hardware and Intel-based PCs and Microsoft software. That's why you see things like the Dragon chip and threats of domestic software quotas. China wants to transition their population from importing these technologies from western companies and develop them locally. Whether it be Novell or Microsoft, China doesn't want to import all their technology from a potentially hostile nation. You know, a nation with a pre-emptive strike policy?
And furthermore, how can anyone with a straight face say that Novell can sweeten the deal for the Chinese government by offering IP? We're talking Linux on the desktop here, what IP does Novell control that has relevance to Linux on the desktop???
Surely you're joking right? You're not actually contending that Novell has the business volume and financial muscle to sweeten the pot for a nation that boasts a population of 1.3 billion? China doesn't need Novell, their economic policy is quite simple: "We have such an enormous population that we can afford to have exclusionary trade policies and it won't hurt us." Whether this is true or not isn't something I care to debate, but the fact of the matter is they don't want to fill the coffers of *any* North American businesses. Be it Microsoft or Novell.
Oh I'm torn, what to do, what to do... "Litigous Bastards" is already taken.
Oh, and for Infinium... I probably wouldn't have bought your console before, and I definitely won't now but... are you DAFT? I never read the original article but I'm on my way to read it now. What is the technical term for this practise? "Unadvertising"??? Yanno, when you pay good money for BAD publicity for your products? (shakes head...)
Well I read the interview and he's definitely a lot more in tune with technology than I am, and I'm young and work in IT! The guy's mind is sharp as a razor blade, no doubting that.
Actually, it's a no-brainer -- they will sue Google. And before you say "ahh yes, Google, a huge Linux user" you should instead think to yourself "ahh yes Google, the premiere search engine." Because when the suit comes, that's what it will really be about. SCO is just a Microsoft puppet being used to do the nasty things M$ can't do in public.
What is Microsoft's next "big thing?" Web searching. And who have they set their sights on? Google. Fortunately for Microsoft, Google also happens to run Linux, so they can dispatch their little lap-dog on a smear campaign. Does it really matter if Google is vindicated or not if Microsoft can make businesses think "IP theft" when they think "Google?" You heard it here first...
"We've already heard that SCO have invoked the winged minions of hell via 'voodoo dools shaped like the CEOs of Fortune 1000 companies.' The specifics come via a photo of a doll made to look like Samuel J. Palmisano of IBM - they've decided that they own the souls of about 65 CEOs running Linux - largely IBM, HP and Ford." balloonpup also notes "CNet News has reported that SCO has reported a fourth quarter loss of $1.6 million, owing mostly to hefty witchdoctor and soothsayer fees in its war against Linux. SCO said they would have reported $7.4 million in earnings, if not for the $9 million payout to the Prince of Darkness. Way to go, SCO!" Many readers also point out a Groklaw article indicating Novell has been praying for the souls of CEOs running Linux with the Holy Catholic Church, so that "both the SCO Group and Novell have claimed the souls of the same people."