I've had my fat 60gig PS3 since release day, and have always done every Sony update. The console is used almost daily, if not for PS3 gaming (both on an offline), then for PS2/1 and Blu-Ray/DVD movies. Sometimes hours and hours on end. I have never had a problem with any of their updates...as of yet. As with the parent, I have never replaced the HD, tried to jailbreak the unit, never tried the "Install other OS" option.
This should stand as a very significant step forward. Hopefully, they can use technology derived from this to make it easier to study planets orbiting distant stars. Hello ET!
I would probably lean towards The 7th Guest on that criteria. Myst seems to be more popular in the 3D interactive puzzler type game, but T7G was released earlier.
I'm a bit amazed that nobody has mentioned Oregon Trail. I know that throughout grade school in my generation (I'm 30), many kids experienced playing this game at school on the Apple II. Not only did it entertain (albeit a small amount), but it was also useful for reading, math, and reasoning skills. I was already into gaming by then, but I think it could have created some gamers.
Anyone? I loved Might & Magic 4&5, still some of my all-time favorites. Once Darkside of Xeen was released, and you installed it together on your hard drive with Clouds of Xeen, they became World (using your same party, items and experience). It was an amazing experience, and what a massive game. I remember playing them until I uncovered all map blocks on both sides of the world, including all dungeons and towers. Still have my save files in a.zip file to this day! Ahh, good times.
Indeed, Red Storm Rising was another Microprose game that I really enjoyed (oh, and Rex Nebular). I always though that the Falcon series was Spectrum Holobyte? I could be wrong, the last one I remember playing was 3.0.
My mom spent a lot of time in the principal's office thanks to my interaction with the 'social hierarchy'. Eventually she put me in a succession of two private schools (yes, I've experienced private school too, fancy that) before homeschooling me starting in 4th grade. I didn't develop a mature ethical aversion to manipulating people until round about 12-14..
How is this not exactly what I said in the posts above? You were socially unable to adapt (my quote being physically/socially/mentally), exactly one of the reasons I stated as to why parents remove their children from standard schooling. You were a problem child and your mother had to make constant trips to the principal's office, etc. You were unable to adapt, and breaking rules is not be better than the system. You just proved to my earlier point, its just what I said slathered with your undue sense of accomplishment and pride. You were a problem, and had to be home schooled so that you could be looked after.
And this?
Heh. I experienced the social hierarchy alright. I ran the social hierarchy. I was the kindergarten godfather because I had a natural, intuitive understanding of leadership and social dynamics. However, being a jerk-ass little kid, I used that to manipulate large groups of other little kids into doing my bidding, including beating up other kids for me so I didn't have to dirty my hands
You have got to be kidding me...a grown man referencing his days in kindergarten as if he were king. How sad. I won't even dignify addressing it any more than that.
In certain circles there is a social stigma to intelligence itself. (NEEEEERD!) Does that mean intelligence should be avoided/demonized?
I agreed, the intelligence stigma does indeed exist. Unfortunately, its the world we live in, and in many instances its a defense mechanism for someone's personal sense of mental inferiority (like some athletes picking on the NEEEERDS, to borrow your example). Asking if intelligence should be avoided or demonized is asking to open a whole different can of worms. Hearing that always makes me think of religion (Galileo, Roman Inquisition, etc).
I just can't grasp why here British accent comes and goes at completely random times (even mid-sentence). Since Fang seems to speak with an Aussie accent quite acceptable, I wonder how hard it would have been to hire someone who spoke with a decent British twist? Hmm...now that I thought about it, I'm not actually sure what accent Vanille is supposed to have. Even sounds a bit French, and a bit like she is handicapped, at various parts.
What bothers me here is that I know you're not working from any kind of objective data. You're just speculating and presenting those speculations as fact. I'm speculating as well, but at least I admit the limits of my knowledge, and further at least I have more first hand experience.
What bothers ME here is that you think that your own personal experience applies to the majority of homeschooled people (i.e. the ones that you are familiar with, since you know such a great deal of them), and that you present that information with a hint of superiority over the standard educational process. Not to mention, you did not have the "standard" schooling experience, so how can you possible compare the two?
That reason is far more prevalent than you know (or are likely to admit, given the bias I'm observing). It was one of the most common I encountered, and was the primary motivation of my parents for my own homeschooling. It is the motivation I have myself for eventually homeschooling my daughter.
Wow! Didn't see that coming, based on how upset you got with the "bias" that I am presenting. I simply stated my attitude and opinion about it. I would agree that a better education is more than likely possible with homeschooling, depending on the parents, but it certainly lacks in the scope of social interaction (even with groupings and activities). Experiencing the social heirarchy among fellow students and the personalities of various teachers with hundreds of other students is worth something, and homeschooling can't possibly offer that. I suppose you can always sit down and watch Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, or Breakfast Club, and proceed to tell your daughter "Look, I saved you from that". Sorry to tell you, but there IS a social stigma of sorts that goes along with homeschooling. You are going to be unable to single handedly change that. You've expressed your opinion as a homeschooled person, and I've expressed mine as a public and private school attendee. I didn't have the greatest time attending them either, so don't assume I'm one of those banner waving, pep rally attending, PTA loving people who lived for my school district. It's all subjective information. Believe what you like and act accordingly.
What the norm might be for you doesn't apply everywhere. I could see the co-op type homeschool programs existing in more affluent areas of larger cities, or suburbs of major metropolitan areas, but certainly not widespread enough to be a usual occurance. Seconly, I wasn't referring to 'norm' as to what the program consists of, I was referring to 'norm' as to why parent's opt to remove their children from standard school. I suppose I also left out parent's who think that their child is too good for standard schooling.
Oh, and I was homeschooled, and your stereotypes about the socialization of homeschoolers are bullshit. While some homeschooling is done in an entirely isolated way, many others homeschool in co-operative groups, or encourage their kids to join extracurricular organizations.
Many more pull their kids from normal school because they are bullied, can't succeed, or are physically/mentally/socially unable to adapt. I would bet that the norm is much closer to isolation than co-operative groups. Your mileage may vary, of course.
I have enough discipline to not own a TV at all, I don't have kids and you doth protest too much. See? Assumptions work both ways. Except mine are probably right.
-FL
You just proved that you don't know what you're talking about. The experience of raising your own kids is much different than sitting in your luddite tower and casting down your inexperienced ideas and plans. Try not having a tv in your house, and see if your child isn't treated as a freak and pariah at school. Oh wait, you'll probably home school him/her so he/she can be even more of a social outcast.
Of course there are exceptions but it ain't generally a surprise to find most jocks and girl/boy-bands to be dumb as shit.
(My IQ? 20... yes really. I swear... oh okay. 200)
Well no shit sherlock. There are 24 hours in a day, no matter how you try, you can only do so much in a single day and if you spend 30 seconds having sex, that is 30 seconds less study time.
Wow, claiming an IQ of 200 and using the word ain't in the same post. I really enjoy the "30 seconds to have sex" part as well. That is just sad.
Wonder if they will apply this to sites that feature FAQ-type writeups. I remember reading a small strategy guide for MW2 Multiplayer mode on a website that I Googled. It was nearly verbatim to the original one on a competitor's site, just without the pictures and the same formatting. Hell, they even tried to use slightly different sentence structure in some places, but still used the same adjectives and adverbs in many places (much like how someone plagarizing a term paper would "re-write" it in their own words). All with zero attribution to the original source.
Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am) but don't you GAIN speed as you fall into the sun's gravity well?
I believe you would, eventually, but you would at least have to push past the Lagrangian Point where the Sun and Earth's gravitational pull is essentially the same on an object in space. This is somewhere around 4 times further as the Moon is from the Earth.
I glanced at this, and thought "Damn, they're upto Falcon 9.0 already!", then I realized that the article isn't about the high stakes launch of a new game at all. Time for me to go home and take a nap!
Rock on man! I agree with 1000% of your post, including the sig. I gotta get back and check out The Realm myself. Very nice, and really seemed to start this whole MMORPG thing, via transitioning MUDs to "modern" MMORPGS via tolerable graphical interfaces and reward systems. I waited and waited for someone on this thread to chime in about it. You sir, are the victor. Simple and fun (not to mention affordable), and yet, largely forgotten. I would mod you up, but I really wanted to post a letter of appreciation from another Realm brother!
Is there a way that I can try out UO? I've always wanted to, and this thread has piqued my interest once again. I didn't think that I would like the game back when it was popular, even though I enjoyed the experience of U6, U7 (and expansions), and even U8. I always thought of Ultima as a singular experience, that you enjoy as a lone player. Now that it doesn't have the popularity that it once did, I thought I might try it. I, like many other people, have grown quite tired of WoW and would like to put a few hours into something else. Is it still available to purchase or has it become OOP? Do I have to buy a standard retail copy and pay the subscription fees or can I pick it up and try a shard sever to see what I think? I was a player of The Realm for years back in Sierra's heyday, so I do have more MMORPG experience than WoW, but never played UO or know anyone that did. I just don't know how it operates now, so forgive me if I sound like an idiot. If it would be some super complicated thing, I'll just check out EvE, but I always wanted to see how the UO world worked. Thanks!
I'm the husband of a senior exec in a Fortune 500 company which will remain nameless (but you use their products every day anywhere in the world - it's a big one.
I didn't RTFA, but things like this always make me think of gaming as "internet use" and if this would be part of the basis for these studies. People who are hopelessly addicted to playing WoW, Everquest, or even earlier games such as The Realm, often exhibit depressed and anti-social behaviors.
I knew someone once who was generally quite depressed every single day (albiet not professionally diagnosed), who lived for WoW, nearly 8-10 hours a day (much more on weekends). No matter what degree of persuasion that I tried to give her, she was convinced that WoW was the answer, not the source. I thought it might be helpful to enjoy real life again for a while, and not count on that dependency.
I also knew someone who played Everquest that, IRL, was clincally diagnosed as depressed and nearly bipolar. I was often told by him that after long bouts of the game, these tendencies would get worse. He would then start to exhibit those behaviors in game, and in the real world.
With gaming, I think it might be possible that people get depressed because they realize its an addiction, and it makes them depressed upon realizing they have a problem. The cycle then begins and continues on and on. Thats why I think these studies really should include more than browsing before coming to a conclusion.
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I've had my fat 60gig PS3 since release day, and have always done every Sony update. The console is used almost daily, if not for PS3 gaming (both on an offline), then for PS2/1 and Blu-Ray/DVD movies. Sometimes hours and hours on end. I have never had a problem with any of their updates...as of yet. As with the parent, I have never replaced the HD, tried to jailbreak the unit, never tried the "Install other OS" option.
I can get credit for Lrrr and Ndnd!
Enjoy your stay!
Or movies way off the beaten path. Rare ones tend to have "Very long wait" or never show up at all.
im 4 realz not 30 n U kno dat! B behind brgr king near mall tonite 4 drinkz! LOLZ!
This should stand as a very significant step forward. Hopefully, they can use technology derived from this to make it easier to study planets orbiting distant stars. Hello ET!
I would probably lean towards The 7th Guest on that criteria. Myst seems to be more popular in the 3D interactive puzzler type game, but T7G was released earlier.
I'm a bit amazed that nobody has mentioned Oregon Trail. I know that throughout grade school in my generation (I'm 30), many kids experienced playing this game at school on the Apple II. Not only did it entertain (albeit a small amount), but it was also useful for reading, math, and reasoning skills. I was already into gaming by then, but I think it could have created some gamers.
Kind of sounds like Deja Vu's story line. I wonder which game came first?
Anyone? I loved Might & Magic 4&5, still some of my all-time favorites. Once Darkside of Xeen was released, and you installed it together on your hard drive with Clouds of Xeen, they became World (using your same party, items and experience). It was an amazing experience, and what a massive game. I remember playing them until I uncovered all map blocks on both sides of the world, including all dungeons and towers. Still have my save files in a .zip file to this day! Ahh, good times.
Indeed, Red Storm Rising was another Microprose game that I really enjoyed (oh, and Rex Nebular). I always though that the Falcon series was Spectrum Holobyte? I could be wrong, the last one I remember playing was 3.0.
My mom spent a lot of time in the principal's office thanks to my interaction with the 'social hierarchy'. Eventually she put me in a succession of two private schools (yes, I've experienced private school too, fancy that) before homeschooling me starting in 4th grade. I didn't develop a mature ethical aversion to manipulating people until round about 12-14..
How is this not exactly what I said in the posts above? You were socially unable to adapt (my quote being physically/socially/mentally), exactly one of the reasons I stated as to why parents remove their children from standard schooling. You were a problem child and your mother had to make constant trips to the principal's office, etc. You were unable to adapt, and breaking rules is not be better than the system. You just proved to my earlier point, its just what I said slathered with your undue sense of accomplishment and pride. You were a problem, and had to be home schooled so that you could be looked after.
And this?
Heh. I experienced the social hierarchy alright. I ran the social hierarchy. I was the kindergarten godfather because I had a natural, intuitive understanding of leadership and social dynamics. However, being a jerk-ass little kid, I used that to manipulate large groups of other little kids into doing my bidding, including beating up other kids for me so I didn't have to dirty my hands
You have got to be kidding me...a grown man referencing his days in kindergarten as if he were king. How sad. I won't even dignify addressing it any more than that.
In certain circles there is a social stigma to intelligence itself. (NEEEEERD!) Does that mean intelligence should be avoided/demonized?
I agreed, the intelligence stigma does indeed exist. Unfortunately, its the world we live in, and in many instances its a defense mechanism for someone's personal sense of mental inferiority (like some athletes picking on the NEEEERDS, to borrow your example). Asking if intelligence should be avoided or demonized is asking to open a whole different can of worms. Hearing that always makes me think of religion (Galileo, Roman Inquisition, etc).
I just can't grasp why here British accent comes and goes at completely random times (even mid-sentence). Since Fang seems to speak with an Aussie accent quite acceptable, I wonder how hard it would have been to hire someone who spoke with a decent British twist? Hmm...now that I thought about it, I'm not actually sure what accent Vanille is supposed to have. Even sounds a bit French, and a bit like she is handicapped, at various parts.
What bothers me here is that I know you're not working from any kind of objective data. You're just speculating and presenting those speculations as fact. I'm speculating as well, but at least I admit the limits of my knowledge, and further at least I have more first hand experience.
What bothers ME here is that you think that your own personal experience applies to the majority of homeschooled people (i.e. the ones that you are familiar with, since you know such a great deal of them), and that you present that information with a hint of superiority over the standard educational process. Not to mention, you did not have the "standard" schooling experience, so how can you possible compare the two?
That reason is far more prevalent than you know (or are likely to admit, given the bias I'm observing). It was one of the most common I encountered, and was the primary motivation of my parents for my own homeschooling. It is the motivation I have myself for eventually homeschooling my daughter.
Wow! Didn't see that coming, based on how upset you got with the "bias" that I am presenting. I simply stated my attitude and opinion about it. I would agree that a better education is more than likely possible with homeschooling, depending on the parents, but it certainly lacks in the scope of social interaction (even with groupings and activities). Experiencing the social heirarchy among fellow students and the personalities of various teachers with hundreds of other students is worth something, and homeschooling can't possibly offer that. I suppose you can always sit down and watch Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, or Breakfast Club, and proceed to tell your daughter "Look, I saved you from that". Sorry to tell you, but there IS a social stigma of sorts that goes along with homeschooling. You are going to be unable to single handedly change that. You've expressed your opinion as a homeschooled person, and I've expressed mine as a public and private school attendee. I didn't have the greatest time attending them either, so don't assume I'm one of those banner waving, pep rally attending, PTA loving people who lived for my school district. It's all subjective information. Believe what you like and act accordingly.
What the norm might be for you doesn't apply everywhere. I could see the co-op type homeschool programs existing in more affluent areas of larger cities, or suburbs of major metropolitan areas, but certainly not widespread enough to be a usual occurance. Seconly, I wasn't referring to 'norm' as to what the program consists of, I was referring to 'norm' as to why parent's opt to remove their children from standard school. I suppose I also left out parent's who think that their child is too good for standard schooling.
Oh, and I was homeschooled, and your stereotypes about the socialization of homeschoolers are bullshit. While some homeschooling is done in an entirely isolated way, many others homeschool in co-operative groups, or encourage their kids to join extracurricular organizations.
Many more pull their kids from normal school because they are bullied, can't succeed, or are physically/mentally/socially unable to adapt. I would bet that the norm is much closer to isolation than co-operative groups. Your mileage may vary, of course.
I have enough discipline to not own a TV at all, I don't have kids and you doth protest too much. See? Assumptions work both ways. Except mine are probably right.
-FL
You just proved that you don't know what you're talking about. The experience of raising your own kids is much different than sitting in your luddite tower and casting down your inexperienced ideas and plans. Try not having a tv in your house, and see if your child isn't treated as a freak and pariah at school. Oh wait, you'll probably home school him/her so he/she can be even more of a social outcast.
Of course there are exceptions but it ain't generally a surprise to find most jocks and girl/boy-bands to be dumb as shit.
(My IQ? 20... yes really. I swear... oh okay. 200)
Well no shit sherlock. There are 24 hours in a day, no matter how you try, you can only do so much in a single day and if you spend 30 seconds having sex, that is 30 seconds less study time.
Wow, claiming an IQ of 200 and using the word ain't in the same post. I really enjoy the "30 seconds to have sex" part as well. That is just sad.
Wonder if they will apply this to sites that feature FAQ-type writeups. I remember reading a small strategy guide for MW2 Multiplayer mode on a website that I Googled. It was nearly verbatim to the original one on a competitor's site, just without the pictures and the same formatting. Hell, they even tried to use slightly different sentence structure in some places, but still used the same adjectives and adverbs in many places (much like how someone plagarizing a term paper would "re-write" it in their own words). All with zero attribution to the original source.
Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am) but don't you GAIN speed as you fall into the sun's gravity well?
I believe you would, eventually, but you would at least have to push past the Lagrangian Point where the Sun and Earth's gravitational pull is essentially the same on an object in space. This is somewhere around 4 times further as the Moon is from the Earth.
I glanced at this, and thought "Damn, they're upto Falcon 9.0 already!", then I realized that the article isn't about the high stakes launch of a new game at all. Time for me to go home and take a nap!
Rock on man! I agree with 1000% of your post, including the sig. I gotta get back and check out The Realm myself. Very nice, and really seemed to start this whole MMORPG thing, via transitioning MUDs to "modern" MMORPGS via tolerable graphical interfaces and reward systems. I waited and waited for someone on this thread to chime in about it. You sir, are the victor. Simple and fun (not to mention affordable), and yet, largely forgotten. I would mod you up, but I really wanted to post a letter of appreciation from another Realm brother!
Is there a way that I can try out UO? I've always wanted to, and this thread has piqued my interest once again. I didn't think that I would like the game back when it was popular, even though I enjoyed the experience of U6, U7 (and expansions), and even U8. I always thought of Ultima as a singular experience, that you enjoy as a lone player. Now that it doesn't have the popularity that it once did, I thought I might try it. I, like many other people, have grown quite tired of WoW and would like to put a few hours into something else. Is it still available to purchase or has it become OOP? Do I have to buy a standard retail copy and pay the subscription fees or can I pick it up and try a shard sever to see what I think? I was a player of The Realm for years back in Sierra's heyday, so I do have more MMORPG experience than WoW, but never played UO or know anyone that did. I just don't know how it operates now, so forgive me if I sound like an idiot. If it would be some super complicated thing, I'll just check out EvE, but I always wanted to see how the UO world worked. Thanks!
I'm the husband of a senior exec in a Fortune 500 company which will remain nameless (but you use their products every day anywhere in the world - it's a big one.
It's Microsoft, isn't it?
I knew someone once who was generally quite depressed every single day (albiet not professionally diagnosed), who lived for WoW, nearly 8-10 hours a day (much more on weekends). No matter what degree of persuasion that I tried to give her, she was convinced that WoW was the answer, not the source. I thought it might be helpful to enjoy real life again for a while, and not count on that dependency.
I also knew someone who played Everquest that, IRL, was clincally diagnosed as depressed and nearly bipolar. I was often told by him that after long bouts of the game, these tendencies would get worse. He would then start to exhibit those behaviors in game, and in the real world.
With gaming, I think it might be possible that people get depressed because they realize its an addiction, and it makes them depressed upon realizing they have a problem. The cycle then begins and continues on and on. Thats why I think these studies really should include more than browsing before coming to a conclusion.