I guess I should have qualified that a little. Galeon saves your session, so even if it dies or you reboot unexpectedly, it remembers all your tabs and open windows.
One of the most frustrating things about using some commercial products under GNU/Linux has been the Red Hat centric methods of distribution: binary RPMS designed for Red Hat that may or may not work with other RPM based distros, and will require quite a bit of hoop-hopping on non-RPM distros such as Slackware, Debian, and all of the excellent Source Based Distros.
You can convert between the various package formats, albiet in a somewhat limited sense, with the Alien package converter.
Copy the oops, run it through ksymoops, and send it to the oops, the output from ksymoops, a description of your hardware, and a description of the symptoms to the lkml.
Neither HTML nor RSA were invented within the last 10 years, and spreadsheet software has been around for well over 20 years. This page discusses the history of HTML, this page covers the RSA algorithm, and this page does the same for spreadsheet software.
I've played around with both low-latency and preempt, and preempt "feels" smoother to me. Overall, the combination I like the most is preempt + lock-break.
The article is fairly vague. Mutual can mean either "shared" or "expressed by each toward the other" depending on context. In other words, the phrase "mutual off-screen antipathy" could mean could mean they share a strong dislike for the show, or it could mean they have a strong dislike for each other.
Although they both expressed a desire to leave the show at one point or another, I get the impression the author is referring to a mutual dislike of one other, not a shared feeling toward the show.
They're my buddies. Sometimes I chill with ol' Billy and drinking tea and eating crumpets. Last time I was there he said something about giblet being a loser.
I also use Galeon, along with
Junkbuster.
Bypassing MSN's silly UserAgent filter is easy with Junkbuster: simply change the user-agent directive to something that will pass their test. I tried the following string first:
user-agent (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Linux 2.4.12-ac4 SMP)
but apparently they check your operating system field as well. So I switched it to this, which passes their filter and allows me to view MSN content:
user-agent Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows sucks more cock than Bill Gates' mom, which is why i really use Linux 2.4.12-ac3 SMP)
For the Debian Linux users out there, Junkbuster is available in Woody and Sid. You can grab a slightly antiquated tarball of my Junkbuster settings from my web page (or email me for a more recent snapshot).
Display PDF is a successor to the Display PostScript system in NeXT/OpenSTEP. There is a Display PostScript extension for X Windows; you can read more about Display PostScript and the X Windows Display PostScript extension here.
Alpha blending (eg transparency) between windows is being addressed with the X Render extension. While neither Evas nor E17 currently make use of the Render extension, and Raster hasn't said much about it on the E-develop mailing list, he has made few posts to the XFree86 Render mailing list indicating preliminary work on a Render backend for Evas.
You know, it's ironic that you mention Enlightenment, since none other than Tom LaStrange himself dropped a note of encouragement to the Enlightenment development list. I believe I've still got the email in here somewhere. Yup.. Here it is:
I installed Linux for the first time a few days ago and was amazed at how
far things have come since the "old days." I was browsing around and wanted
to drop a note of praise to the Enlightenment authors until I found this:
> "Enlightenment is my little baby. It's still growing and getting more
adept - but
> it's still a baby. Enlightenment was my answer to ``DAMNIT! stop giving me
> twm!''. My University decided twm was a great window manager and a great
> environment to get things done in... I have to thank them for this cruelty
of
> imposing this on us poor students as we, for the first time had to deal
with
> UNIX. It drove me to the edge of insantiy"
Ouch! How should I respond?!?!?! I'll bet *you* never tried to write a
window manager on punched cards!;-)
Anyone here ever heard of "uwm"? It was the only window manager available
when X11R1 was released in 1987 and it turned out to be my inspiration to
write twm because uwm "drove me to the edge of insanity." I know the twm
code spawned a whole family of other window managers and I can see from the
above comment that it's still inspiring new development.;-)
Back to my original topic, a big thanks to the Enlightenment authors, you've
done a great job. Hopefully you'll have the time and resources to continue
your work.... otherwise, I may have to come out of X Window retirement and
write something that opens up a can of "whup-ass" on the big E.;-)
Anyways, just thought you'd be interested in seeing that. The entire thread was positive (Tom's a really cheerful guy), and I'm sure you can find it by looking drudging through the E archives (circa November 1999).
As for
EFM, I've been running it on my work machien for months now. It's being rewritten; this time around it's going to use Evas (read: OpenGL acceleration) instead of vanilla Imlib2. Just to put things in perspective: Imlib2 currently blows the socks off of other comperable software image rendering libraries (including Imlib1 and gdk-pixbuf). So, once EFM is workign again, you'll be able to pick your poision: ridiculously fast Imlib2 rendering, or -- if your card supports it -- ludicrously fast OpenGL rendering.
As I'm sure others have already pointed out, this is old news. While this is mainly a political debate over semantics, there is actually some hard science behind this so-called deprication.
Here's a quick list of the reasons I can remember off the top of my head:
All of the planets beyond Mars consist mostly of a large atmosphere and planet-wide ocean (thus the semi-accurate label "Gas Giants")... except Pluto. Pluto is mainly rock and ice, with little or no atmosphere. Interestingly enough, Pluto does have an atmosphere, but it freezes during Pluto's "winter" and falls to the surface.
All of the planets beyond Mars have a mass many times that of Earth; except Pluto. Pluto is roughly half the size of Earth's moon.
All of the planets in our solar system have an almost planar orbit (ie, the orbits all lie within a few degrees of the same plane). Pluto's orbit is inclined over 15 degrees.
Given these facts, Pluto clearly does not belong in the same category as the 8 planets. It does, however, fit nicely with objects in the Kuiper belt. The Kuiper belt is the collection of icy planetismals that were "kicked out" of the inner solar system instead of coalescing into planets. Their orbits are higly erratic and non-planar, and generally lie beyond the orbits of Neptune and Uranus.
I have several unrelated comments on this article, so I'm posting the sections in question and the comments individually.
LinuxPPC, DebianPPC, and Yellow Dog Linux all will run on Mac hardware. If you're not familiar with these other systems, you're probably wondering why anybody would want to remove MacOS and use something else.
The author makes it sound like installing these Linux distributions is an either-or proposition. It's not. In fact, up until recently, LinuxPPC
required
MacOS in order to boot. Also, the author fails to mention NetBSD.
Linux is a system designed for a more experienced user.
I think the phrase "more experienced user" is inaccurate. Graphic designers -- a significant portion of of the Mac userbase -- would fall into that category, but Linux (or NetBSD) wouldn't necessarily be appropriate or comfortable for this class of users. "Technically proficient" would probably be more appropriate.
Windows 2000 and Windows ME are Microsoft's newest versions of their operating system. Before this latest upgrade, Microsoft's OSes lacked stability, were not open source, and cost a lot of money. The only one of these negatives Microsoft fixed was stability.
As most of you know, ME is just Windows 95 (aka Windows 98, etc) with a few new bells and whistles. All the architechtural and most of the instability problems in the previous releases are here as well. However, from what I've seen, Windows 2000 is rock solid.
On a separate note, this excerpt presents the author's naive view of the "Open Source" movement.
An item purchased at no cost is not necessarily free. Why is this significant? Because the goal of the Free Software and Open Source movement is to produce software with no strings attached; the fact that most Free software is available at no cost is a secondary issue. For example, Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player are both available for download at no cost, but neither is "open" or "free" in the sense that Linux, Apache, or FreeBSD are.
In addition, hardware support and compatibility with peripherals is lacking on Linux, but strong with Microsoft.
Which hardware exactly? Granted, some hardware doesn't work, and Linux is behind on the USB bandwagon, but I think the general public would be pleasantly suprised at the abundance of hardware support. For example, I've got a NVidia GeForce 2 MX, Creative Labs, Sound Blaster PCI 128, Hauppage WinTV Go, Western Digital UDMA66 45gig, and a Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer. Barring a few minor issues with the WinTV card (which have been fixed in 2.4.x), all of the the above are supported, and work great under Linux.
If you went the Linux route because MacOS 9 wasn't open sourced, you'll be happy to know that MacOS X has loads of stuff you can mess around with.
Again, the author fails to note the distinction between open (eg "having lots of stuff you can mess around with") and free. In order to compete with Linux (or NetBSD) in this regard, Apple would need to open Carbon and Cocoa and encourage developers to improve and redistribute both, without any restrictions. This is highly unlikely, given Apple's draconian history regarding unauthorized tinkering (most recently, the uninforceable threats against Skinz.org, Themes.org, etc). Also, given the tree-synching and (up until this week) licensing issues with Darwin, only the delusional would believe the public access to Darwin is anything more than lip service.
Now MacOS can satisfy your computing needs, and many users might take it back.
Unlikely. A friend of mine purchased and installed the OSX public beta (I had my own login as well. Check out the
screenshot . He used it for a few months, but ended up going back to MacOS 9. The reason? Many of his applications were either incredibly slow or didn't work at all. And he missed the Finder. While OSX may be providing features sorely needed in MacOS, it's also missing many of the features that make the Mac great.
Alas, I also know the story of the magical Welshman who met his match at tetrinet. I heard he wasn't as partial to Diablo II as he was to xbl, xmodmapping the night away, and_dumping_soda_into_his_keyboard.
(btw, this is the first time i've posted on slashdot in over a year. what am I squpposed to say again? Oh yeah, natalie portman, hot grits, first post, etc).
I have a Red Hat 6.0 install running on a 486/25 with a 300 meg drive. Space is a bit tight (~20 megs free normally), but it does what it needs to do(web and ftp server).
But I do agree that Slackware is a better choice for space conscious installs.
Skipping to the assertion (why doesn't/. have a spell checker;-) that VM totally obviates the need to be concerned about memory allocation, you *know* that there is always a price to be paid for excessive memory allocation.
Hrm, I should have clarified things a bit. You can disable both the icon box and the pager if you don't want 'em, which leaves only the code. In other words, a few kilobytes at best.
Either way, I do think that Sawmill is a more appropriate WM for the GNOME project; the goals of the two are more compatible.
Oh yeah, and I should also mention that my previous post came on really hard. I didn't mean to come across as a complete asshole, I was just trying to point out which features were duplicated, why they were duplicated, and why I (personally) like the E implementations better. Fortunately noone read my post, so I guess it's alright.:)
0.16 introduces some features that are simply doubling functionality that's already provided by gnome
You really should expand on this; here's a list of what he is talking about:
Iconbox - the place where X apps not mapped onscreen hide. GNOME provides a half-assed panel applet that is gigantic (screen real estate-wise), slow, ugly as sin and hard to use (IMHO); Enlightenment 0.16 provides a fast, simple, and customizeable Iconbox (or more htan one, if you prefer) that can be docked anywhere on screen, made completely transparent, horizonal or vertical, tiny (w/ or w/o scrollbars), etc,etc.
Pager - a larger representation of a virtual desk. GNOME provides a plain pager applet that eats a lot of ram and doesn't display window contents; the Enlightenment version can do realtime updates, has drag-n-drop (ie dragging windows around inside the pager AND dragging windows from the pager to the iconbox and to the current screen), has a zoom feature, and isn't bound to a panel.
Session management - GNOME provides session management, or restarting and repositioning applications each time X starts, via gnome-session and the associated session management in the GNOME control-center. Unfortunately, gnome-session is almost completely broken; entries get dropped or duplicated, things that shouldn't load keep doing so (specifically the help browser), and it doesn't provide any sort of error management for auto-launched apps (except when the app in question is a GNOME one, but noone runs all gnome apps). Then there's Enlightenment "session management": right-click on a window and select remember, select what you'd like E to remember, and press okay. No muss, no hassle. E doesn't get confused when apps die, it doesn't bitch about more than one application running, it doesn't launch arbitrary applications when they're not on the list, it doesn't make you fight with runlevels, and it cooperates nicely with your.xsession and.xinitrc settings (before anyone argues with me, yes it does; I use.xsession at work and.xinitrc at home w/ remmebered apps).
Applets - mini applications. GNOME provides applets in the panel, but supposedly allows apps to be docked in the panel, making them panel applets too. (I recommend any Xlib programmers skip the next part, 'cuz it'll probably make you gag). Unfortunately, panel provides this docking functionality via XReparentWindow(), which is not supposed to be used by apps, only by window managers. Other than that, Enlightenment doesn't restrict applets in any way. If you want them, Enlightenment also provides very nice enlightenment-specific applets called epplets, which sync up with your current theme to look pretty. These do not interfere with GNOME, and they're completely optional (very much like WindowMaker dockapps -- i noticed they includeda recent version of WM).
As for Enlightenment 0.16 having a higher memory footprint, apparently you're a bit behind on the times as far as memory management goes. Linux (and virtually every other UNIX and UNIX clone) has virtual memory (unused memory pages are swapped out of memory to disk), and LOD (load on demand, where data isn't fetched until it's needed -- the reason unstripped binaries have the same memory footprinta s non-stripped binaries). Please don't talk about things you are obviously not qualified to talk about in a public forum.
Plus, E16 includes a lot of really useful features that E15 doesn't have: bug-fixes, speed-improvements, KDE support, window grouping, window layering, better menu support, GUI configu tools, and a ton of other things I'm sure i'm forgetting.
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I guess I should have qualified that a little. Galeon saves your session, so even if it dies or you reboot unexpectedly, it remembers all your tabs and open windows.
That's actually one of the nicer features of Galeon, although you'd have to jump through some hoops in order to get it working in OSX.
You can convert between the various package formats, albiet in a somewhat limited sense, with the Alien package converter.
Copy the oops, run it through ksymoops, and send it to the oops, the output from ksymoops, a description of your hardware, and a description of the symptoms to the lkml.
Halo marathon.
Pun intended? :)
Your sig makes me laugh. :)
The HTML history page is available here. Sorry about that.
Neither HTML nor RSA were invented within the last 10 years, and spreadsheet software has been around for well over 20 years. This page discusses the history of HTML, this page covers the RSA algorithm, and this page does the same for spreadsheet software.
I've played around with both low-latency and preempt, and preempt "feels" smoother to me. Overall, the combination I like the most is preempt + lock-break.
That was an excellent article. I just linked it from my personal page.
The article is fairly vague. Mutual can mean either "shared" or "expressed by each toward the other" depending on context. In other words, the phrase "mutual off-screen antipathy" could mean could mean they share a strong dislike for the show, or it could mean they have a strong dislike for each other.
Although they both expressed a desire to leave the show at one point or another, I get the impression the author is referring to a mutual dislike of one other, not a shared feeling toward the show.
I think giblet is abusing his moderation points!. ...waiting 20 seconds so i can post again.
They're my buddies. Sometimes I chill with ol' Billy and drinking tea and eating crumpets. Last time I was there he said something about giblet being a loser.
Proof that Slashdot could use either a "Katz" or "Naive" in moderators' repertoire.
I also use Galeon, along with Junkbuster. Bypassing MSN's silly UserAgent filter is easy with Junkbuster: simply change the user-agent directive to something that will pass their test. I tried the following string first:
user-agent (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Linux 2.4.12-ac4 SMP)but apparently they check your operating system field as well. So I switched it to this, which passes their filter and allows me to view MSN content:
user-agent Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows sucks more cock than Bill Gates' mom, which is why i really use Linux 2.4.12-ac3 SMP)For the Debian Linux users out there, Junkbuster is available in Woody and Sid. You can grab a slightly antiquated tarball of my Junkbuster settings from my web page (or email me for a more recent snapshot).
Display PDF is a successor to the Display PostScript system in NeXT/OpenSTEP. There is a Display PostScript extension for X Windows; you can read more about Display PostScript and the X Windows Display PostScript extension here.
Alpha blending (eg transparency) between windows is being addressed with the X Render extension. While neither Evas nor E17 currently make use of the Render extension, and Raster hasn't said much about it on the E-develop mailing list, he has made few posts to the XFree86 Render mailing list indicating preliminary work on a Render backend for Evas.
Anyways, just thought you'd be interested in seeing that. The entire thread was positive (Tom's a really cheerful guy), and I'm sure you can find it by looking drudging through the E archives (circa November 1999).
As for EFM, I've been running it on my work machien for months now. It's being rewritten; this time around it's going to use Evas (read: OpenGL acceleration) instead of vanilla Imlib2. Just to put things in perspective: Imlib2 currently blows the socks off of other comperable software image rendering libraries (including Imlib1 and gdk-pixbuf). So, once EFM is workign again, you'll be able to pick your poision: ridiculously fast Imlib2 rendering, or -- if your card supports it -- ludicrously fast OpenGL rendering.
Hope that answers your questions
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Here's a quick list of the reasons I can remember off the top of my head:
- All of the planets beyond Mars consist mostly of a large atmosphere and planet-wide ocean (thus the semi-accurate label "Gas Giants")... except Pluto. Pluto is mainly rock and ice, with little or no atmosphere. Interestingly enough, Pluto does have an atmosphere, but it freezes during Pluto's "winter" and falls to the surface.
- All of the planets beyond Mars have a mass many times that of Earth; except Pluto. Pluto is roughly half the size of Earth's moon.
- All of the planets in our solar system have an almost planar orbit (ie, the orbits all lie within a few degrees of the same plane). Pluto's orbit is inclined over 15 degrees.
- Pluto's orbital radius is HUGE and highly erratic. About 49 times the average radius of Earth's orbit at it's peak.
Given these facts, Pluto clearly does not belong in the same category as the 8 planets. It does, however, fit nicely with objects in the Kuiper belt. The Kuiper belt is the collection of icy planetismals that were "kicked out" of the inner solar system instead of coalescing into planets. Their orbits are higly erratic and non-planar, and generally lie beyond the orbits of Neptune and Uranus.Hope this clears things up a bit...
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LinuxPPC, DebianPPC, and Yellow Dog Linux all will run on Mac hardware. If you're not familiar with these other systems, you're probably wondering why anybody would want to remove MacOS and use something else.
The author makes it sound like installing these Linux distributions is an either-or proposition. It's not. In fact, up until recently, LinuxPPC
- required
MacOS in order to boot. Also, the author fails to mention NetBSD.Linux is a system designed for a more experienced user.
I think the phrase "more experienced user" is inaccurate. Graphic designers -- a significant portion of of the Mac userbase -- would fall into that category, but Linux (or NetBSD) wouldn't necessarily be appropriate or comfortable for this class of users. "Technically proficient" would probably be more appropriate.
Windows 2000 and Windows ME are Microsoft's newest versions of their operating system. Before this latest upgrade, Microsoft's OSes lacked stability, were not open source, and cost a lot of money. The only one of these negatives Microsoft fixed was stability.
As most of you know, ME is just Windows 95 (aka Windows 98, etc) with a few new bells and whistles. All the architechtural and most of the instability problems in the previous releases are here as well. However, from what I've seen, Windows 2000 is rock solid.
On a separate note, this excerpt presents the author's naive view of the "Open Source" movement. An item purchased at no cost is not necessarily free. Why is this significant? Because the goal of the Free Software and Open Source movement is to produce software with no strings attached; the fact that most Free software is available at no cost is a secondary issue. For example, Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player are both available for download at no cost, but neither is "open" or "free" in the sense that Linux, Apache, or FreeBSD are.
In addition, hardware support and compatibility with peripherals is lacking on Linux, but strong with Microsoft.
Which hardware exactly? Granted, some hardware doesn't work, and Linux is behind on the USB bandwagon, but I think the general public would be pleasantly suprised at the abundance of hardware support. For example, I've got a NVidia GeForce 2 MX, Creative Labs, Sound Blaster PCI 128, Hauppage WinTV Go, Western Digital UDMA66 45gig, and a Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer. Barring a few minor issues with the WinTV card (which have been fixed in 2.4.x), all of the the above are supported, and work great under Linux.
If you went the Linux route because MacOS 9 wasn't open sourced, you'll be happy to know that MacOS X has loads of stuff you can mess around with.
Again, the author fails to note the distinction between open (eg "having lots of stuff you can mess around with") and free. In order to compete with Linux (or NetBSD) in this regard, Apple would need to open Carbon and Cocoa and encourage developers to improve and redistribute both, without any restrictions. This is highly unlikely, given Apple's draconian history regarding unauthorized tinkering (most recently, the uninforceable threats against Skinz.org, Themes.org, etc). Also, given the tree-synching and (up until this week) licensing issues with Darwin, only the delusional would believe the public access to Darwin is anything more than lip service.
Now MacOS can satisfy your computing needs, and many users might take it back.
Unlikely. A friend of mine purchased and installed the OSX public beta (I had my own login as well. Check out the screenshot . He used it for a few months, but ended up going back to MacOS 9. The reason? Many of his applications were either incredibly slow or didn't work at all. And he missed the Finder. While OSX may be providing features sorely needed in MacOS, it's also missing many of the features that make the Mac great.
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Alas, I also know the story of the magical Welshman who met his match at tetrinet. I heard he wasn't as partial to Diablo II as he was to xbl, xmodmapping the night away, and_dumping_soda_into_his_keyboard.
(btw, this is the first time i've posted on slashdot in over a year. what am I squpposed to say again? Oh yeah, natalie portman, hot grits, first post, etc).
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I have a Red Hat 6.0 install running on a 486/25 with a 300 meg drive. Space is a bit tight (~20 megs free normally), but it does what it needs to do(web and ftp server).
But I do agree that Slackware is a better choice for space conscious installs.
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Anyhow, one thing he brought up was how well designed the MediaOne network was, by comparing the latency to the speed of light.
Hate to burst your bubble, but that's not really that big of a deal; most ethernet networks come within an order of magnitude of the speed of light.
Stewart Cheshire (of Bolo fame) has wrote an excellent article on latency and bandwidth called "It's the Latency, Stupid." Check it out here.
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Skipping to the assertion (why doesn't /. have a spell checker ;-) that VM totally obviates the need to be concerned about memory allocation, you *know* that there is always a price to be paid for excessive memory allocation.
:)
Hrm, I should have clarified things a bit. You can disable both the icon box and the pager if you don't want 'em, which leaves only the code. In other words, a few kilobytes at best.
Either way, I do think that Sawmill is a more appropriate WM for the GNOME project; the goals of the two are more compatible.
Oh yeah, and I should also mention that my previous post came on really hard. I didn't mean to come across as a complete asshole, I was just trying to point out which features were duplicated, why they were duplicated, and why I (personally) like the E implementations better. Fortunately noone read my post, so I guess it's alright.
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You really should expand on this; here's a list of what he is talking about:
- Iconbox - the place where X apps not mapped onscreen hide. GNOME provides a half-assed panel applet that is gigantic (screen real estate-wise), slow, ugly as sin and hard to use (IMHO); Enlightenment 0.16 provides a fast, simple, and customizeable Iconbox (or more htan one, if you prefer) that can be docked anywhere on screen, made completely transparent, horizonal or vertical, tiny (w/ or w/o scrollbars), etc,etc.
- Pager - a larger representation of a virtual desk. GNOME provides a plain pager applet that eats a lot of ram and doesn't display window contents; the Enlightenment version can do realtime updates, has drag-n-drop (ie dragging windows around inside the pager AND dragging windows from the pager to the iconbox and to the current screen), has a zoom feature, and isn't bound to a panel.
- Session management - GNOME provides session management, or restarting and repositioning applications each time X starts, via gnome-session and the associated session management in the GNOME control-center. Unfortunately, gnome-session is almost completely broken; entries get dropped or duplicated, things that shouldn't load keep doing so (specifically the help browser), and it doesn't provide any sort of error management for auto-launched apps (except when the app in question is a GNOME one, but noone runs all gnome apps). Then there's Enlightenment "session management": right-click on a window and select remember, select what you'd like E to remember, and press okay. No muss, no hassle. E doesn't get confused when apps die, it doesn't bitch about more than one application running, it doesn't launch arbitrary applications when they're not on the list, it doesn't make you fight with runlevels, and it cooperates nicely with your
.xsession and .xinitrc settings (before anyone argues with me, yes it does; I use .xsession at work and .xinitrc at home w/ remmebered apps). - Applets - mini applications. GNOME provides applets in the panel, but supposedly allows apps to be docked in the panel, making them panel applets too. (I recommend any Xlib programmers skip the next part, 'cuz it'll probably make you gag). Unfortunately, panel provides this docking functionality via XReparentWindow(), which is not supposed to be used by apps, only by window managers. Other than that, Enlightenment doesn't restrict applets in any way. If you want them, Enlightenment also provides very nice enlightenment-specific applets called epplets, which sync up with your current theme to look pretty. These do not interfere with GNOME, and they're completely optional (very much like WindowMaker dockapps -- i noticed they includeda recent version of WM).
As for Enlightenment 0.16 having a higher memory footprint, apparently you're a bit behind on the times as far as memory management goes. Linux (and virtually every other UNIX and UNIX clone) has virtual memory (unused memory pages are swapped out of memory to disk), and LOD (load on demand, where data isn't fetched until it's needed -- the reason unstripped binaries have the same memory footprinta s non-stripped binaries). Please don't talk about things you are obviously not qualified to talk about in a public forum.Plus, E16 includes a lot of really useful features that E15 doesn't have: bug-fixes, speed-improvements, KDE support, window grouping, window layering, better menu support, GUI configu tools, and a ton of other things I'm sure i'm forgetting.
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