That's right, they'd spend 12 billion dollars on a tunnel, but a couple of tens of million to upgrade the interstate system out there would be totally out of the question!
> But seriously, how does having an established TCP/IP > connection prevent the phone from doing other things?
The phone's network stack, and the network it's on, it's not as sophisticated as your laptop.
Remember, we're talking about a cellular phone, which needs to, first and foremost, talk on a cellular phone network. These are designed to maintain a single connection per remote device, whether that connection be data or voice. SMS can be used as OOB signalling (it was invented as OOB debug), which is probably ROUGHLY how RIM does their magic, just like WAP push. Send a specially coded SMS, which triggers the device to go fetch the info. Or, RIM could be doing something special require extra hardware at the BSS I'm not sure.
Long story short, you seem to be attacking the problem from a "well, gee, internet-connected computers can do this" position, but the problem is, email on your phone.. is not on an internet-connected computer and cellular networks are expensive to design/build.
I wasn't aware that IMAP supported partial retrieval; I was fairly sure it didn't, but I admittedly haven't read the spec since sometime aronud the turn of the century.
IMAP's version of push is insufficient, however. It requires an already-established TCP/IP. This means that you could not use the device to make phone calls or send/receive SMS messages if you wanted to be notified of new incoming mail.
> Finally, I'm not aware of any reason why IMAP clients can't run on wireless devices?:)
They CAN, but I don't see Mike Crispin selling hundred dollar IMAP phones.
Push would sure make web 2.0 a hell of a lot cheaper for certain classes of applications!
And when you're paying by-the-byte for data (like on a GPRS network), push makes a LOT of sense.
Push is the network equivalent of IRQ-based devices. There is a reason why IBM put IRQ lines on the PC-XT bus. It's a fuck of a lot cheaper to use an IRQ than to continuously poll. Polled IO sucks!
And the Monster Cables gold-plated, silver-core, teflon-insulated directional wires with kevlar sheaths and nickel-plated electrical outlet.. coming in at a cool $20,000.
Slashot: Sony! Sony: Ha! Who calls? MPAA: Bid every thought be still: peace yet again! Sony: Who is it in the press that calls on me? I hear a tongue, shriller than all the music by Celine Dion, cry "Sony!" Speak; Sony is turn'd to hear. Slashdot: Beware the ides of Ass!
"We noticed most of the dead hives are close to cornfields.... And when we asked other beekeepers what was the principle crop near their hives, they said corn, corn, corn."
This is simple, really. The bees are picking up pollen from nearby corn fields -- pollen which contains plant DNA, by definition.. and lots of it. "So what?", you may be asking yourself.
MONSANTO -- Monsanto corporation makes Round-Up resistant corn so that you can spray Round-Up everywhere, and kill everything but your corn. Monsanto is also notoriously IP-litigious, surpassing perhaps even the mob and the RIAA in terms of enforcement ferocity (see: http://www.percyschmeiser.com/ ).
It is quite clear to me, then, that Monsanto corporation has done something to their corn, to make impossible for the bees to steal their IP and bring it to other crops. This "sometime" is almost certainly the introduction of a neurotoxin, designed to give the bees amnesia, so they can't remember where they live, and just flit about stupidly and die, allowing their rotting little corpses to decompose and fertilize the corn fields.
I won't be surprised if in a couple of years, all the bees are dead.. except for the new super-bees you can get from Monsanto. Which, by the way, have sterile queens...
Which the end-user pops into the debugger, does a stack backtrace, locates the bug, fixes it, recompiles, tests, and submits patches back to the program author.
Microsoft is missing the resolution part of that loop. Although apparently you can get core dumps out of Windows now. (Not that I'd know how, if it does ship with/bin/sh I don't wanna touch it).
I remember hearing about them 10 years ago in Toronto. I have no clue if they still use 'em or not. I normally take the train into TO and walk where I need to go.
Your solution will work as long as both clients do advisory spool file locking (probably yes) and rescan their mailboxes before writing to them (probably not). This is especially horrific in the case where a message has been deleted out of the middle of a mailbox, and then a message past it has tried to be read by the other one. Or where one keeps file handles open, but the other has erased the file because it has compacted it, then the first one writes to it... blah blha blah.
I don't know if it will be IRL, but there are lots of holes for nastiness.
Anyhow, I just wanted to chime in and say that the "right" way to do what the OP wants is to manage his mail spool with an imapd and have the clients (pine, thunderbird) connect to it.
Sorry, for those of us with large mail boxes, you're simply flat-out wrong.
I can use Gmail to search for james, john, juhn, jon, and a few dozen keywords faster than you could probably sort my inbox once on a typical PC.
I've found that once your mailbox exceeds a gig or so that desktop clients REALLY start sucking big time. I could not POSSIBLY live without mbox searching!
As a quick ad-hoc, I just searched for all mail from companyX.com that I do business with, looking for mail with an attachment sent within one month of september 2005. It took gmail about 2 seconds to put the results on my screen. It returned 90 matches, and searched 2.3gb of email.
I'd like to see a desktop mail program do THAT.
Oh, and I would consider that fairly sluggish for gmail, usually it's faster.
I have equipment in a top-one-percent data center. They DO have Windows, but have those holy blinds to cut down on heat in the summer (free cooling in the winter, I guess. LOL).
It's not much of a security concern, because breaking into a data center on the 8th floor is tricky enough that you couldn't do it fast enough for the security guards not to notice.
NOW, I suppose, you could rapell down 10 stories from the roof, come in through the windows, and kill all the security guards one by one as they came to investigate, but I'm sure the cops would get called by the time two or three went missing.
Slashdot Mirror
I used to use that key for strafe-mode in Doom.
Does that count?
rofl ur so stupid goto efnet, no k-lines there, theirs ops sux0rz! lololo
At least, in this case, they are talking about tunnel/bridge to SOMEWHERE.
That's right, they'd spend 12 billion dollars on a tunnel, but a couple of tens of million to upgrade the interstate system out there would be totally out of the question!
> But seriously, how does having an established TCP/IP
.. is not on an internet-connected computer and cellular networks are expensive to design/build.
> connection prevent the phone from doing other things?
The phone's network stack, and the network it's on, it's not as sophisticated as your laptop.
Remember, we're talking about a cellular phone, which needs to, first and foremost, talk on a cellular phone network. These are designed to maintain a single connection per remote device, whether that connection be data or voice. SMS can be used as OOB signalling (it was invented as OOB debug), which is probably ROUGHLY how RIM does their magic, just like WAP push. Send a specially coded SMS, which triggers the device to go fetch the info. Or, RIM could be doing something special require extra hardware at the BSS I'm not sure.
Long story short, you seem to be attacking the problem from a "well, gee, internet-connected computers can do this" position, but the problem is, email on your phone
I wasn't aware that IMAP supported partial retrieval; I was fairly sure it didn't, but I admittedly haven't read the spec since sometime aronud the turn of the century.
:)
IMAP's version of push is insufficient, however. It requires an already-established TCP/IP. This means that you could not use the device to make phone calls or send/receive SMS messages if you wanted to be notified of new incoming mail.
> Finally, I'm not aware of any reason why IMAP clients can't run on wireless devices?
They CAN, but I don't see Mike Crispin selling hundred dollar IMAP phones.
Push would sure make web 2.0 a hell of a lot cheaper for certain classes of applications!
And when you're paying by-the-byte for data (like on a GPRS network), push makes a LOT of sense.
Push is the network equivalent of IRQ-based devices. There is a reason why IBM put IRQ lines on the PC-XT bus. It's a fuck of a lot cheaper to use an IRQ than to continuously poll. Polled IO sucks!
> But then again I can't see what Blackberry gives you that you can't get with an IMAP server anyway.
Partial message retrieval and message push (IMAP is pull-only, which is a real problem for slow networks.. and GPRS ain't exactly DSL).
Not to mention "wireless client".
...Circuit City bought Radio Shack.
The best we can hope for is that we can go to Canadian Tire and buy a pre-painted wall, that only needs a day's work to trim to fit our actual house.
And the Monster Cables gold-plated, silver-core, teflon-insulated directional wires with kevlar sheaths and nickel-plated electrical outlet.. coming in at a cool $20,000.
Yes.. but where are we going to get crabs when all the sharks keep tying up the hookers?
Slashot: Sony!
Sony: Ha! Who calls?
MPAA: Bid every thought be still: peace yet again!
Sony: Who is it in the press that calls on me? I hear a tongue, shriller than all the music by Celine Dion, cry "Sony!" Speak; Sony is turn'd to hear.
Slashdot: Beware the ides of Ass!
This is simple, really. The bees are picking up pollen from nearby corn fields -- pollen which contains plant DNA, by definition.. and lots of it. "So what?", you may be asking yourself.
MONSANTO -- Monsanto corporation makes Round-Up resistant corn so that you can spray Round-Up everywhere, and kill everything but your corn. Monsanto is also notoriously IP-litigious, surpassing perhaps even the mob and the RIAA in terms of enforcement ferocity (see: http://www.percyschmeiser.com/ ).
It is quite clear to me, then, that Monsanto corporation has done something to their corn, to make impossible for the bees to steal their IP and bring it to other crops. This "sometime" is almost certainly the introduction of a neurotoxin, designed to give the bees amnesia, so they can't remember where they live, and just flit about stupidly and die, allowing their rotting little corpses to decompose and fertilize the corn fields.
I won't be surprised if in a couple of years, all the bees are dead.. except for the new super-bees you can get from Monsanto. Which, by the way, have sterile queens...
Yes.
/bin/sh I don't wanna touch it).
And part of that noise is generating a core dump.
Which the end-user pops into the debugger, does a stack backtrace, locates the bug, fixes it, recompiles, tests, and submits patches back to the program author.
Microsoft is missing the resolution part of that loop. Although apparently you can get core dumps out of Windows now. (Not that I'd know how, if it does ship with
Don't do it.
The Scientologists would sue you!
I remember hearing about them 10 years ago in Toronto. I have no clue if they still use 'em or not. I normally take the train into TO and walk where I need to go.
> How is this modded insightful?
Round != Losev.
QED
Still haven't learned about ID3 tags, huh?
You poor bastard.
Even Media Player messes with them now.
Your solution will work as long as both clients do advisory spool file locking (probably yes) and rescan their mailboxes before writing to them (probably not). This is especially horrific in the case where a message has been deleted out of the middle of a mailbox, and then a message past it has tried to be read by the other one. Or where one keeps file handles open, but the other has erased the file because it has compacted it, then the first one writes to it... blah blha blah.
I don't know if it will be IRL, but there are lots of holes for nastiness.
Anyhow, I just wanted to chime in and say that the "right" way to do what the OP wants is to manage his mail spool with an imapd and have the clients (pine, thunderbird) connect to it.
My solution is similar to yours.
I forward all mail to gmail, but keep a copy locally.
If Gmail ever goes tango-uniform, I start using Cyrus or something again. Or just import my mbox into thunderbird or something.
Sorry, for those of us with large mail boxes, you're simply flat-out wrong.
I can use Gmail to search for james, john, juhn, jon, and a few dozen keywords faster than you could probably sort my inbox once on a typical PC.
I've found that once your mailbox exceeds a gig or so that desktop clients REALLY start sucking big time. I could not POSSIBLY live without mbox searching!
As a quick ad-hoc, I just searched for all mail from companyX.com that I do business with, looking for mail with an attachment sent within one month of september 2005. It took gmail about 2 seconds to put the results on my screen. It returned 90 matches, and searched 2.3gb of email.
I'd like to see a desktop mail program do THAT.
Oh, and I would consider that fairly sluggish for gmail, usually it's faster.
> But it does mean that the performance of the car won't be limited by the tires... ;)
Depends how you define performance. High-speed tires tend to have harder rubber and/or shallower tread depth.
mv $MAIL $MAIL.bak && sed 's/^\([Ss]ubject: \)\([Ff][Ww]:\)\([Ff][Ww]:\)*/\1\2/' $MAIL
Technically violates 822, but good enough for 99.99% of cases.
> I swear, I completely blame the IT field. Too much crap to absorb and dump on a regular
> basis has begun to take its toll on the fun stuff. >:|
I'm about 33.3
I totally hear ya.
I can't remember a fucking thing these days
I have equipment in a top-one-percent data center. They DO have Windows, but have those holy blinds to cut down on heat in the summer (free cooling in the winter, I guess. LOL).
It's not much of a security concern, because breaking into a data center on the 8th floor is tricky enough that you couldn't do it fast enough for the security guards not to notice.
NOW, I suppose, you could rapell down 10 stories from the roof, come in through the windows, and kill all the security guards one by one as they came to investigate, but I'm sure the cops would get called by the time two or three went missing.