Just because those things aren't in the Kernel doesn't mean we can't use them. It's probably best that they stay out of there, anyway. If the GUI were in the kernel (*cough*Windows*cough*), there would be lots more problems with debugging and with possibly switching if Berlin ever turns out. Wrappers for the low-level interfaces keep things clean.
Actually, those results are all probbly wrong, because of the freshmeat effect. Yes, I typed that right. A little while ago, Freshmeat linked to that story and said, "Why don't we change the results a little." So we all voted, and it makes NT admins look like hypocrites!
I think they are right to sue Lycos for this. Of course, it's not really fair to single out them, but it's a start. They record industry will never accept digital music. A few small examples may come up where they try digital distribution, but I don't think it will last. For one thing, they have traditionally made their money by being the one who control production and distribution. That won't last for long. They will never accept losing those parts. MP3s et al mean that artists will be able to distribute their own material. The recording industry will have to shift its focus to make consulting-like practices. They can provide studios to record in and manage advertising, but those are services, not products. They can be parcelled out like commodities, and they will be. But, no matter what, it will be a while before they accept losing the distribution part of their moneytrain.
Here's my hint: just read day-old articles and set your preferences to order by score. It works wonderfully! For one thing, none of the day-old articles get slashdotted. And for another thing, after 24 hours, lots of comments have been provided and some have been bumped up. I read those. It is a shame if some content (and not style) contradicted the values of a moderator to the poin that I'm not going to read the message, but I'm willing to take that risk. Besides, with 400+ moderators, surely there will be at least a few RMS-is-God, RMS-is-Satan, GNOME-rulez, and KDE-rockz people to balance everything out. And if it doesn't work, you're under no obligation to even use the system (set threshold low, order by date). I love it!!!! And I haven't seen a first-post post in several days!
The main thing to remember is that Redhat, at least for the moment, does not really sell software. They sell support for software. The prime example is Mandrake. Someone was saying that they were up to #2 on cheapbytes, second to the unofficial Redhat CD. But Redhat doesn't make any money off of either of those. On the Mandrake webpage, however, you will see them say, "While you're at it, if you're new, you should buy the Redhat manual." Thus, Redhat earns money supporting something they didn't even entirely package. Got to remember that! I do, as I'm making the berolinux boot disk right now.
According to top, it takes Netscape 4.5 26.6% of my Mem to display this page I'm typing on (out of 128MB; wow, that's inefficient). It said Seamonkey was taking 10.5% to do the same thing. And that's with a statically-linked binary. I'm also running GNOME, so it would help if I had compiled it. Oh well. A 2-fold improvement is enough for now.
I've been using GNOME (compiled using pgcc from source RPMS) since 1.0 came out. I've been using Enlightenment pre-0.15 or whatever it was that came out then too. Neither has crashed on me yet. At all. Nothing, I repeat, nothing, has crashed on me yet. Ok, the mini-commander applet has been a bit flaky, but that's fine. What are terminals for anyway?
The part about DOS having icons you click on was interesting. Not only do we have to live down the myth that Linux is all commandline-based, we have to fight the myth that DOS is graphical!
From what I understand, this is good news. It seems that it's just a communications/wording problem. All of Perens's complaints seem to be things that just weren't made very clear in the license. He asked that these things be looked into, and now they have. What's the problem? The thing about the website is in there, just not very clear. All Apple has to do to make everyone happy about that is put in another sentence to make it clearer. The infringing code thing is also cool, right? Apple and BP are thinking of the same thing, it just doesn't look that way on paper. They just need to make it a little clearer, so it doesn't look like the Jikes license. The only thing that didn't seem to be addresssed is holding patent-infringing code until the patent expires. That's a pretty minor point, and maybe they already have that worked out. So, as I said, this is good, right? Now everyone can be happy!
The thing is, using the Aladdin License definition of "proprietary", Netscape is proprietary (and I believe Netscape 5.0 will also be, considering the mail stuff is still closed due to some weird issues). We DO use Netscape.
I will explain this for the third time now. Imagine that there is no sales tax anywhere. Thus, the internet places have to charge a LOT less because they have shipping on top of not being able to provide a good immediately (unlike a retail store). Would it be fair, do you think, to put a tax on the local stores so that the internet stores could compete better? No, that doesn't make any sense. Shipping is a real cost that actually represents someone having to do more work. Sales taxes do not. They represent the government getting funds. They are very different things. Sure, I like being able to buy things off of the internet for cheap, but this can't go on. It really is unfair.
There is a big difference between a sales tax and shipping costs, because sales taxes are artificial while shipping costs are real. Shipping costs reflect something real. Your item actually should cost that much more because it has to be shipped and thus costs more in the end (production + sales + delivery). Sales taxes, on the other hand, are artificial. Just because the government slaps on a tax does not mean the real cost should be higher. Think of it this way. Suppose there were no sales taxes and ecommerce people were at a disadvantage because they had to ship things. Would you support putting a tax on the nonecommerce people so the ecommerce people could compete better? No, that would be stupid. If they can't compete on a level playing ground, they should go bankrupt. I hope this explains things.
Ok, I'm on Spring Break right now, and as a result of a new multiplex existing in my town, the old multiplex has "$2 Tuesdays", so I can see this movie on Tuesday for $2. The Star Wars trailer alone may be worth that, but do you guys think that the movie is worth $2? That's cheaper than renting it. Hmmmm. Maybe if I sufficiently dumb myself down by playing Zelda64 till then, I'll be ok. Maybe I won't notice the plot stuff and can just gawk at the special effects. Hmmm, what do you think?
No, they disribute it to their developers. Sony doesn't make all the games in-house. Just because it's not a consumer producte doesn't mean it's not distributed.
This will all be fine once the Office division is split forceably from the OS division. Then the only problems will be the bloat in Office. Why is that in there anyway? Is it because of Windows itself or the MS mindset or what?
How do those of you who haven't used Windows today seen this thing? The closest I've come is using mpegtv to view the mpg, but that's crippled shareware. Xanim (compiled with the extra codecs) can't view either the mpg or the mov. What did you guys do?
Use enlightenment and eterms. Actually, you can just set the root image with esetroot (which comes with enlightement. You don't actually have to use that as you wm). You can then use etrm --translucent 50 (or something like that). It's pretty but resource intensive, so I can't imagine anyone using it all the time.
Hmmm, parts of that would offend people. But what if they got yet another server and yet more bandwidth, and had one f the servers be for-pay and the other be not-for-pay. I would pay to get a faster connection to slashdot. And that way nothing is being withheld from the freeloaders (remember how often we all complain when there's a link to a solely for-pay site).
I've thought about this too. If there were an application that was just made to display slashdot, it would be much more efficient than Netscape (not quite lynx, but hey). I'm sure, even GPL'd, people could be persuaded to keep the ads (I load the slashdot ads on my homepage just because I like this place so much) The web interface is good, yes, but it's certainly not the most efficient way of doing things.
It will be an improvement in that it will not have the licensing restriction that the CDDB people just added (2-second splash screen, plus icons that link to them). The cost would not be that much at all. CDDB got other people to mirror their database for free. I'm sure these people will have an even easier time. Think about it, there are maybe 50,000 CDs that people are going to need to store information on. Assume they have average of 13 tracks, plus artits and title, all of which might average 40 characters. So that's 50000*15*40 = 30000000 ~= 28.6 MB. And that's plain text, which, as we know, compresses mighty well (though you probably wouldn't want to do that). As for bandwidth, we're talking 1k per request. Sure, there might be a lot of requests, but even so, it wouldn't add up to too much.
Slashdot Mirror
Just because those things aren't in the Kernel doesn't mean we can't use them. It's probably best that they stay out of there, anyway. If the GUI were in the kernel (*cough*Windows*cough*), there would be lots more problems with debugging and with possibly switching if Berlin ever turns out. Wrappers for the low-level interfaces keep things clean.
Actually, those results are all probbly wrong, because of the freshmeat effect. Yes, I typed that right. A little while ago, Freshmeat linked to that story and said, "Why don't we change the results a little." So we all voted, and it makes NT admins look like hypocrites!
I think they are right to sue Lycos for this. Of course, it's not really fair to single out them, but it's a start. They record industry will never accept digital music. A few small examples may come up where they try digital distribution, but I don't think it will last. For one thing, they have traditionally made their money by being the one who control production and distribution. That won't last for long. They will never accept losing those parts. MP3s et al mean that artists will be able to distribute their own material. The recording industry will have to shift its focus to make consulting-like practices. They can provide studios to record in and manage advertising, but those are services, not products. They can be parcelled out like commodities, and they will be. But, no matter what, it will be a while before they accept losing the distribution part of their moneytrain.
HTTP, not HTML. True, they're very similar, but they are not one and the same. You're thinking of HTML.
Here's my hint: just read day-old articles and set your preferences to order by score. It works wonderfully! For one thing, none of the day-old articles get slashdotted. And for another thing, after 24 hours, lots of comments have been provided and some have been bumped up. I read those. It is a shame if some content (and not style) contradicted the values of a moderator to the poin that I'm not going to read the message, but I'm willing to take that risk. Besides, with 400+ moderators, surely there will be at least a few RMS-is-God, RMS-is-Satan, GNOME-rulez, and KDE-rockz people to balance everything out. And if it doesn't work, you're under no obligation to even use the system (set threshold low, order by date). I love it!!!! And I haven't seen a first-post post in several days!
The main thing to remember is that Redhat, at least for the moment, does not really sell software. They sell support for software. The prime example is Mandrake. Someone was saying that they were up to #2 on cheapbytes, second to the unofficial Redhat CD. But Redhat doesn't make any money off of either of those. On the Mandrake webpage, however, you will see them say, "While you're at it, if you're new, you should buy the Redhat manual." Thus, Redhat earns money supporting something they didn't even entirely package. Got to remember that! I do, as I'm making the berolinux boot disk right now.
According to top, it takes Netscape 4.5 26.6% of my Mem to display this page I'm typing on (out of 128MB; wow, that's inefficient). It said Seamonkey was taking 10.5% to do the same thing. And that's with a statically-linked binary. I'm also running GNOME, so it would help if I had compiled it. Oh well. A 2-fold improvement is enough for now.
I've been using GNOME (compiled using pgcc from source RPMS) since 1.0 came out. I've been using Enlightenment pre-0.15 or whatever it was that came out then too. Neither has crashed on me yet. At all. Nothing, I repeat, nothing, has crashed on me yet. Ok, the mini-commander applet has been a bit flaky, but that's fine. What are terminals for anyway?
The part about DOS having icons you click on was interesting. Not only do we have to live down the myth that Linux is all commandline-based, we have to fight the myth that DOS is graphical!
Have you tried gtk.themes.org? Sure, the default is pretty plain, but it can look MUCH better with a nice bitmap theme. I like the marble one.
diff GPL whatever-it-is > /dev/slashdot
From what I understand, this is good news. It seems that it's just a communications/wording problem. All of Perens's complaints seem to be things that just weren't made very clear in the license. He asked that these things be looked into, and now they have. What's the problem? The thing about the website is in there, just not very clear. All Apple has to do to make everyone happy about that is put in another sentence to make it clearer. The infringing code thing is also cool, right? Apple and BP are thinking of the same thing, it just doesn't look that way on paper. They just need to make it a little clearer, so it doesn't look like the Jikes license. The only thing that didn't seem to be addresssed is holding patent-infringing code until the patent expires. That's a pretty minor point, and maybe they already have that worked out. So, as I said, this is good, right? Now everyone can be happy!
The thing is, using the Aladdin License definition of "proprietary", Netscape is proprietary (and I believe Netscape 5.0 will also be, considering the mail stuff is still closed due to some weird issues). We DO use Netscape.
I will explain this for the third time now. Imagine that there is no sales tax anywhere. Thus, the internet places have to charge a LOT less because they have shipping on top of not being able to provide a good immediately (unlike a retail store). Would it be fair, do you think, to put a tax on the local stores so that the internet stores could compete better? No, that doesn't make any sense. Shipping is a real cost that actually represents someone having to do more work. Sales taxes do not. They represent the government getting funds. They are very different things. Sure, I like being able to buy things off of the internet for cheap, but this can't go on. It really is unfair.
There is a big difference between a sales tax and shipping costs, because sales taxes are artificial while shipping costs are real. Shipping costs reflect something real. Your item actually should cost that much more because it has to be shipped and thus costs more in the end (production + sales + delivery). Sales taxes, on the other hand, are artificial. Just because the government slaps on a tax does not mean the real cost should be higher. Think of it this way. Suppose there were no sales taxes and ecommerce people were at a disadvantage because they had to ship things. Would you support putting a tax on the nonecommerce people so the ecommerce people could compete better? No, that would be stupid. If they can't compete on a level playing ground, they should go bankrupt. I hope this explains things.
Ok, I'm on Spring Break right now, and as a result of a new multiplex existing in my town, the old multiplex has "$2 Tuesdays", so I can see this movie on Tuesday for $2. The Star Wars trailer alone may be worth that, but do you guys think that the movie is worth $2? That's cheaper than renting it. Hmmmm. Maybe if I sufficiently dumb myself down by playing Zelda64 till then, I'll be ok. Maybe I won't notice the plot stuff and can just gawk at the special effects. Hmmm, what do you think?
No, they disribute it to their developers. Sony doesn't make all the games in-house. Just because it's not a consumer producte doesn't mean it's not distributed.
Yes!! I didn't know what kind of red should I drink with clams!! Perhaps you mean www.winehq.com?
This will all be fine once the Office division is split forceably from the OS division. Then the only problems will be the bloat in Office. Why is that in there anyway? Is it because of Windows itself or the MS mindset or what?
How do those of you who haven't used Windows today seen this thing? The closest I've come is using mpegtv to view the mpg, but that's crippled shareware. Xanim (compiled with the extra codecs) can't view either the mpg or the mov. What did you guys do?
Use enlightenment and eterms. Actually, you can just set the root image with esetroot (which comes with enlightement. You don't actually have to use that as you wm). You can then use etrm --translucent 50 (or something like that). It's pretty but resource intensive, so I can't imagine anyone using it all the time.
Hmmm, parts of that would offend people. But what if they got yet another server and yet more bandwidth, and had one f the servers be for-pay and the other be not-for-pay. I would pay to get a faster connection to slashdot. And that way nothing is being withheld from the freeloaders (remember how often we all complain when there's a link to a solely for-pay site).
I've thought about this too. If there were an application that was just made to display slashdot, it would be much more efficient than Netscape (not quite lynx, but hey). I'm sure, even GPL'd, people could be persuaded to keep the ads (I load the slashdot ads on my homepage just because I like this place so much) The web interface is good, yes, but it's certainly not the most efficient way of doing things.
Hmm, I'm interested in the moderation stuff, but Rob's comments on tht are very vague. Anybody know any more details?
It will be an improvement in that it will not have the licensing restriction that the CDDB people just added (2-second splash screen, plus icons that link to them). The cost would not be that much at all. CDDB got other people to mirror their database for free. I'm sure these people will have an even easier time. Think about it, there are maybe 50,000 CDs that people are going to need to store information on. Assume they have average of 13 tracks, plus artits and title, all of which might average 40 characters. So that's 50000*15*40 = 30000000 ~= 28.6 MB. And that's plain text, which, as we know, compresses mighty well (though you probably wouldn't want to do that). As for bandwidth, we're talking 1k per request. Sure, there might be a lot of requests, but even so, it wouldn't add up to too much.