Whats the point when clam is comming along so nicely?
We are here bitching about anti-competitive behaviour, and you are asking "What is the point of competition?"!?!?!?!???! Even free, OSS needs competition to bring out the best.
7. Windows servers get infected with a virus. 8. Virus shields stop functioning because the Windows servers are infected. 9. Everyone becomes infected. 10. Companies wish their virus sheilds were still running on *nix.
Like that will change a thing, really. It'll just mean that our bills will be titled
"Wont somebody think of the children in Iraq and my taxes on my million dollar house are too high and random porkbarrel act of 2006"
But that's exactly the point! My representitive can't vote for the act with the intent of supporting children in Iraq, ignoring the fact that he's lowering taxes for the priveledged. That title explains completely what the bill is about. If there was such a requirement, there isn't a hidden ryder in that bill authorizing FBI agents to watch me shower.
At least a door is an effort at security. Most software makers make no effort.
Most software makers? This is modded interesting? Interesting! Why not mod it insightful while you are at it? Holy crap.
That is a terrible generalization with absolutely no basis in fact, and no evidence behind such a bold statement. If you really studied this, I seriously doubt you'd find that 51%+ of software makers make no effort to develop secure software. But like you, I have no proof. At least I'm up front about it.
Few houses are impenetrable. You can build a nice lock, and I can come through your window. You can put bars on your windows, and I can break down your door. You can get steel doors, and I can use a chainsaw on your wall. You can build build steel walls, and I can bring a blowtorch.
No security is 100%. Kevin Mitnick often talks about the biggest source of security holes being the social holes. He would call someone at a company, lie about his identity, and often be given a password over the phone. There will always be ways in. At some point, society has to say "We aren't going to allow this crap." At some point, the blame must be on the people perpetrating the crime, the punishment must be sufficiently harsh to deter the occurence, and the likelihood of being caught must be high.
Most non-geek people don't even know where to start looking or how to find the answers for themselves, so it's not their fault for asking "stupid" questions. They have to start somewhere, and the most obvious way and place is the e-mail list associated with the thing they are having trouble with.
My theory is that this is the difference between a forum and a mailing list. If someone posts a very simplistic question on a forum, people don't seem to mind. The veterans will answer the question or link to a previous forum topic that already answered the question, and they are rarely rude in the process. But mailing lists, for some reason, are totally different. It's like spam - people feel violated that a (seemingly) pointless email was pushed upon them. They react in rude ways.
Email is simpler for developer collaboration and requires less administration. Most Linux distributions started out with mailing lists, and continue to use them. So when we think of the Linux community, we often think of mailing lists. But the developer-only crowd these mailing lists originally supported has been gaining more and more of the average Joe over time. Now the old school crowd feels their inbox being violated by "stupid" questions.
SuSE puts an awful lot of work into making the OS work well on laptops.
Sure, as long as you have a modern laptop. I downloaded Suse with the sole intent of installing it on a laptop. The first thing the installer does is try to set up a 128 MB ramdrive. On a laptop with limited RAM (64 MB in my case), this step fails, and the installer gives up.
I've often heard the ability for Linux to run on older hardware as a selling point. And every other distro I've tried, even new distros like Ubuntu, had no problem installing on the laptop. Surprisingly, even the Suse-based Novell Linux installed without trouble.
Besides, I thought having choices was a good thing?
This is definitely not a good thing.
One big reason OSS is so popular, despite what RMS will tell you, is that it is free as in beer. Why? Because you have to be free to compete with Microsoft. Most companies can't survive for free (Netscape) unless they have substantial other products to subsidize development (AOL IM, Yahoo IM). And freeware/shareware products rarely compete because they rarely have the developer power of large companies (often one-man shops). Enter OSS. Open source software has a huge developer-base, and it is free as in beer. This is why OSS is so competitive today.
In the commercial sector, companies like Adobe are on an unfair playing field with Microsoft. Microsoft can use this just like it is using Windows Media Player 10, antivirus, and anti-spyware - Here, this is free, but you have to pay to upgrade to your OS to the latest version to use it, and it certainly won't run on competing operatin systems. Microsoft is making money off of their investment into WMP 10, antivirus, anti-spyware, and now Acrylic indirectly this way, and extending their monopoly at the same time. They can drive Adobe's, Symantec's, Norton's, and Real's market share down, and make money at the same time.
Competition is a good thing. This is not competition. This is a monopoly leveraging its monopoly position to provide you with a free product, while driving sales of the product that gives it a monopoly in the first place.
Granted, but let's see them repeat the experiment with a device that has a full keyboard on it. I've known people who can type on QWERTY at 120 WPM sustained, let's see any morse guy keep up.
I've known some people that can talk on their phone using their voice.
I'm clearly addicted to opening doors, flushing toilets, using the word "the" in a sentence, typing the letter "S", walking forward, breathing, blinking, saying "Hello" to people, turning my car to the right, chewing, sitting, standing, eating, answering the phone when it rings, looking at the clock, reading web sites, tieing my shoes, watching TV, listening to music, kissing my wife, turning on lights, turning off lights, clicking my computer's mouse....
Here are the numbers from W3 Schools website. W3 shows IE at 65%, Opera at 2%, Firefox at 25%, Mozilla at 3.5%, and Netscape at 1%.
Yeah, you tell 'em. The other day my grandma was browsing W3 Schools, and she told me she thought their HTML reference was "the bomb". She uses Firefox because she says it is "totally pimp." Grandma thinks my mom "doesn't get it." She says, "Your mom is old school, because she's not chillin' with the Fox."
*Sigh* W3 Schools' statistics are meaningless as a measure of public browser use. They are only useful as a measure what web developers use to browse the web. Should we consider MSN's (the default IE homepage) statistics relevant as a measure of public browser use?
Wormholes with smooth or classical spacetimes appear to be unstable and fall apart quickly.
That's when you inverse the warp field to produce a reverse graviton stream, thus stabilizing the worm hole to maintain continuous fabric in space-time. Everybody knows that. Don't you watch Star Trek?
"It's not about selling sixty-thousand members' personal information. It's about selling one members' personal information, and then repeating the process 60,000 times."
I'm sitting in a training class this very minute where the instructor keeps saying "Earl" instead of U-R-L. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard every time I hear it.
But, I probably won't get modded up because I disagree with RMS. Funny, especialy considering I am pragmatically pro-GPL. I say pragmatic because I support anyone's right to choose the conditions they release their copyrighted works under. I think choosing the GPL is a great choice, but if you aren't comfortable with it, so be it. If Sun wants to release Solaris under the CDDL, or if Sun wants to keep Java proprietary, they have every right. Who am I to complain?
If you feel you *must* fix an issue without using OO techniques, fixing issues "at source" can be accomplished. Sun is now accepting contributions directly into Mustang (the latest pre-release version of Java). See http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/J2 SE/peabody/ for more info.
On a side not who the hell needs a 19" laptop. why not buy a seguay(spelling) and just pack a desktop around?
I can think of applications for portable computers that are larger than a laptop.
For instance, imagine an artist with a portable canvas-sized touch-screen computer that he can paint or draw directly onto. He can take this to the park and paint his masterwork landscape. Or imagine a military commander with a portable table-top computer that can display maps with units, and allow commands to be relayed through screen taps. He takes it into the field, pulls out the legs, and begins commanding his troops.
Far-fetched? Perhaps. But, it's time to stop thinking of computers in the limited ways we have thought so far. We would've never made the original laptop or the PDA with such limited thinking. I hope there is more to the future of computers than the mid-towers and laptops we see today.
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Whats the point when clam is comming along so nicely?
We are here bitching about anti-competitive behaviour, and you are asking "What is the point of competition?"!?!?!?!???! Even free, OSS needs competition to bring out the best.
I'll add:
7. Windows servers get infected with a virus.
8. Virus shields stop functioning because the Windows servers are infected.
9. Everyone becomes infected.
10. Companies wish their virus sheilds were still running on *nix.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that polar bear milk was something like 40% fat
I knew someone was going to insult Steve Balmer somewhere in this thread.
It's okay. I have my Firefox browser set to report itself as Opera. So, this cancels out and indeed the figure of 3 active users is accurate.
If he was swimming the Atlantic, you wouldn't know who it was. Didn't you RTFA?
Like that will change a thing, really. It'll just mean that our bills will be titled
"Wont somebody think of the children in Iraq and my taxes on my million dollar house are too high and random porkbarrel act of 2006"
But that's exactly the point! My representitive can't vote for the act with the intent of supporting children in Iraq, ignoring the fact that he's lowering taxes for the priveledged. That title explains completely what the bill is about. If there was such a requirement, there isn't a hidden ryder in that bill authorizing FBI agents to watch me shower.
What if you would pay someone to lock your door and he forgot?
Then that person would be out of job. But he still wasn't the one breaking the law.
At least a door is an effort at security. Most software makers make no effort.
Most software makers? This is modded interesting? Interesting! Why not mod it insightful while you are at it? Holy crap.
That is a terrible generalization with absolutely no basis in fact, and no evidence behind such a bold statement. If you really studied this, I seriously doubt you'd find that 51%+ of software makers make no effort to develop secure software. But like you, I have no proof. At least I'm up front about it.
Few houses are impenetrable. You can build a nice lock, and I can come through your window. You can put bars on your windows, and I can break down your door. You can get steel doors, and I can use a chainsaw on your wall. You can build build steel walls, and I can bring a blowtorch.
No security is 100%. Kevin Mitnick often talks about the biggest source of security holes being the social holes. He would call someone at a company, lie about his identity, and often be given a password over the phone. There will always be ways in. At some point, society has to say "We aren't going to allow this crap." At some point, the blame must be on the people perpetrating the crime, the punishment must be sufficiently harsh to deter the occurence, and the likelihood of being caught must be high.
Most non-geek people don't even know where to start looking or how to find the answers for themselves, so it's not their fault for asking "stupid" questions. They have to start somewhere, and the most obvious way and place is the e-mail list associated with the thing they are having trouble with.
My theory is that this is the difference between a forum and a mailing list. If someone posts a very simplistic question on a forum, people don't seem to mind. The veterans will answer the question or link to a previous forum topic that already answered the question, and they are rarely rude in the process. But mailing lists, for some reason, are totally different. It's like spam - people feel violated that a (seemingly) pointless email was pushed upon them. They react in rude ways.
Email is simpler for developer collaboration and requires less administration. Most Linux distributions started out with mailing lists, and continue to use them. So when we think of the Linux community, we often think of mailing lists. But the developer-only crowd these mailing lists originally supported has been gaining more and more of the average Joe over time. Now the old school crowd feels their inbox being violated by "stupid" questions.
in-tree Intel PRO/Wireless drivers are in the BSDs already, yet Linux still uses Intel's drivers and not in its own tree
Now that is precisely why I'm a Linux user. I fear I would have to learn what the hell that means.
SuSE puts an awful lot of work into making the OS work well on laptops.
Sure, as long as you have a modern laptop. I downloaded Suse with the sole intent of installing it on a laptop. The first thing the installer does is try to set up a 128 MB ramdrive. On a laptop with limited RAM (64 MB in my case), this step fails, and the installer gives up.
I've often heard the ability for Linux to run on older hardware as a selling point. And every other distro I've tried, even new distros like Ubuntu, had no problem installing on the laptop. Surprisingly, even the Suse-based Novell Linux installed without trouble.
Besides, I thought having choices was a good thing?
This is definitely not a good thing.
One big reason OSS is so popular, despite what RMS will tell you, is that it is free as in beer. Why? Because you have to be free to compete with Microsoft. Most companies can't survive for free (Netscape) unless they have substantial other products to subsidize development (AOL IM, Yahoo IM). And freeware/shareware products rarely compete because they rarely have the developer power of large companies (often one-man shops). Enter OSS. Open source software has a huge developer-base, and it is free as in beer. This is why OSS is so competitive today.
In the commercial sector, companies like Adobe are on an unfair playing field with Microsoft. Microsoft can use this just like it is using Windows Media Player 10, antivirus, and anti-spyware - Here, this is free, but you have to pay to upgrade to your OS to the latest version to use it, and it certainly won't run on competing operatin systems. Microsoft is making money off of their investment into WMP 10, antivirus, anti-spyware, and now Acrylic indirectly this way, and extending their monopoly at the same time. They can drive Adobe's, Symantec's, Norton's, and Real's market share down, and make money at the same time.
Competition is a good thing. This is not competition. This is a monopoly leveraging its monopoly position to provide you with a free product, while driving sales of the product that gives it a monopoly in the first place.
This is definitely not a good thing.
Granted, but let's see them repeat the experiment with a device that has a full keyboard on it. I've known people who can type on QWERTY at 120 WPM sustained, let's see any morse guy keep up.
I've known some people that can talk on their phone using their voice.
Insightfull My ass , that is just trolling.
-1 Trolling while talking about Trolling.
Would you care to mention why it is the worst logo ever.
-1 Dead f'ing obvious
I assure you i have seen worse in my time.
-1 Criticizing for ambiguity, then being totally f'ing ambiguous.
So either help him make it better by pointing out what he did wrong or shut up.
Make that better? +7 Funny
It's alright. I'm addicted to gaming. We can be pathetic losers together!
Oh, there's no "can be" about it.
I'm clearly addicted to opening doors, flushing toilets, using the word "the" in a sentence, typing the letter "S", walking forward, breathing, blinking, saying "Hello" to people, turning my car to the right, chewing, sitting, standing, eating, answering the phone when it rings, looking at the clock, reading web sites, tieing my shoes, watching TV, listening to music, kissing my wife, turning on lights, turning off lights, clicking my computer's mouse....
becomes Crosoft?
Here are the numbers from W3 Schools website. W3 shows IE at 65%, Opera at 2%, Firefox at 25%, Mozilla at 3.5%, and Netscape at 1%.
Yeah, you tell 'em. The other day my grandma was browsing W3 Schools, and she told me she thought their HTML reference was "the bomb". She uses Firefox because she says it is "totally pimp." Grandma thinks my mom "doesn't get it." She says, "Your mom is old school, because she's not chillin' with the Fox."
*Sigh* W3 Schools' statistics are meaningless as a measure of public browser use. They are only useful as a measure what web developers use to browse the web. Should we consider MSN's (the default IE homepage) statistics relevant as a measure of public browser use?
Wormholes with smooth or classical spacetimes appear to be unstable and fall apart quickly.
That's when you inverse the warp field to produce a reverse graviton stream, thus stabilizing the worm hole to maintain continuous fabric in space-time. Everybody knows that. Don't you watch Star Trek?
"It's not about selling sixty-thousand members' personal information. It's about selling one members' personal information, and then repeating the process 60,000 times."
I'm sitting in a training class this very minute where the instructor keeps saying "Earl" instead of U-R-L. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard every time I hear it.
But, I probably won't get modded up because I disagree with RMS. Funny, especialy considering I am pragmatically pro-GPL. I say pragmatic because I support anyone's right to choose the conditions they release their copyrighted works under. I think choosing the GPL is a great choice, but if you aren't comfortable with it, so be it. If Sun wants to release Solaris under the CDDL, or if Sun wants to keep Java proprietary, they have every right. Who am I to complain?
If you feel you *must* fix an issue without using OO techniques, fixing issues "at source" can be accomplished. Sun is now accepting contributions directly into Mustang (the latest pre-release version of Java). See http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/J2 SE/peabody/ for more info.
Sorry, I goofed on the HTML. I will hit preview, I will hit preview, I will hit preview....
On a side not who the hell needs a 19" laptop. why not buy a seguay(spelling) and just pack a desktop around?
I can think of applications for portable computers that are larger than a laptop.
For instance, imagine an artist with a portable canvas-sized touch-screen computer that he can paint or draw directly onto. He can take this to the park and paint his masterwork landscape. Or imagine a military commander with a portable table-top computer that can display maps with units, and allow commands to be relayed through screen taps. He takes it into the field, pulls out the legs, and begins commanding his troops.
Far-fetched? Perhaps. But, it's time to stop thinking of computers in the limited ways we have thought so far. We would've never made the original laptop or the PDA with such limited thinking. I hope there is more to the future of computers than the mid-towers and laptops we see today.