"30 year old technology" is not a valid criticism of Unix. Think of Unix as having been tested and refined for 30 years. The light bulb is "100 year old technology" (more or less), but we all use them. They're a lot better now, aren't they? Tested and refined over 100 years. Well actually 100 year old lightbulbs were better in some respects... they just don't burn out. There are some 50+ or so year old lightbulbs in a Church on Cornell's campus... they are pretty dim, but not a single one is burnt out. Huge filament too...a big loop the size of the entire inside.
Yeah well there are a number of revisionist changes that have happened. If anyone remembers far enough back to around the time of Star Trek V or VI, there were some great books out including the Source Guide set in ST VI times and the Calon Riel's Ships of the Starfleet series. From these you learn that Klingons discovered warp drive in Earth's 1800's and that it was the Romulans who were warpless. Roms had cloak Klingons Warp... and they traded tech.
They aren't twice as expensive... here's the facts:
Date: Monday, August 20, 2001 8:41:56 AM CDT
Catalog Number: 29 19
Dell Dimension 8100 Series: Dimension® 8100 Series,Pentium® 4 Processor at 1.5Ghz
D8115W - [220-6965]
Memory: 128MB PC800 RDRAM
128M8 - [311-8424]
Keyboard: Dell® Enhanced Performance USB Keyboard
EPUSB - [310-2754]
Monitor: Video Ready without Monitor Option
N - [320-3000]
Video Card: 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP Graphics Card with TV-Out
32NVMXT - [320-3269]
Hard Drive: 40GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive
40 - [340-1921]
Floppy Drive: 3.5 in Floppy Drive
3 - [340-2805]
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® Millennium Edition with WinXP Home Upgrade Coupon Offer
WMEXP - [420-8050] [313-7222]
Mouse: MS IntelliMouse®
IM - [310-2757]
Network Card: Integrated 3Com® EtherLink® 10/100 Ethernet Controller
IN - [461-1292]
Modem: 56K PCI Data Fax Modem for Windows
DFAX - [313-0501]
DVD-ROM or CD-ROM Drive: 8x/4x/32x CD-RW Drive
CDRW8 - [313-1477]
Sound Card: SB Live! Digital Sound card
SB1024 - [313-7869]
Speakers: Harman/Kardon Speakers
HK - [313-1479]
Bundled Software: Microsoft® Works Suite 2001 with Money 2001 Standard
WORKS - [412-3636]
Digital Music: Dell Jukebox powered by MusicMatch 6.0
JUKEBOX - [412-1411]
Digital Imaging Software: Image Expert® 2000, Dell Edition ($0)
DPS - [412-2108]
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: 1 Year Ltd. Warranty, 1 Year At Home Service, 1 Year 24x7 Phone Support
S111OS - [900-9054] [950-1260] [950-3337]
Internet Access Options: 6 Month Dellnet® by MSN Internet Access [add $0]
MSN6MO - [412-0265]
Power Protection: APC SURGESTATION PRO8T2
PRO8T2 - [519230]
Price $1228.00
Summary
733MHz PowerPC G4
128MB SDRAM - 1 DIMM
40GB Ultra ATA drive
CD-RW drive
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX - 32MB SDRAM
56K internal modem
Apple Pro Keyboard - U.S. English
Mac OS - U.S. English
Gigabit Ethernet Two USB ports
Two FireWire ports
Apple Pro Mouse
Price $1699
I think they are identical in price if you actually take the time to price a Gigabit Ethernet Card.
First in USD the cheapest iMac is $799... convert that directly to Australian dollars please.
Apple hardware hasn't been overpriced for 3 years now. Considering the bang YOU DO get for the buck I'd say the machines are well worth it. They fix the price points and adjust to new technology around them. $3499 US buys their most expensive model with a display (FS 17") which includes combo DVD-R/CDRW and gigabit ethernet.
Steve isn't evil... mean spirited yes... occasionally...despite everything he actually believes in what he markets..."insanely great computers & software". Steve is more like... if you don't like my stuff fark you... but I'm selling it anyway...isn't it beautiful? It is in fact a successful proposition and has turned the company way around.
Bill is far more evil since all he cares about is making insane returns on mediocre software and controlling every electronics related business in the future through.NET. His only appearance at HomeBrew the anti-piracy wiener thing is evidence enough of that.
Larry:... no comment... I think he's just jealous... but Oracle does make great software albeit insanely expensive.
Yep... the same business CornPack wants to up to a third of their business and sold the only thing that made them special for...
Oh and Acer too... wants to go entirely services based.... ahhh today is the major cleaning up of the PC market... consolidation...
look out for falling PC vendors!
AJ
Sun should follow IBM's lead if anything... make Solaris fully Linux compatible while still being the more robust OS that it is... I think AIX 5L and zOS will have quite a following in the future. Sun should never ditch their superior hardware or support for it... in the same way IBM knows not to ditch POWER hardware. SGI should have gotten a clue... MIPS good... Intel bad... but whatever... although they had a reasonably good idea for Intel boxes... the enhanced real firmware Intel box. As far as source licenses... perhaps they should follow Apple's lead... Personally I think they should try to get in bed with Apple over Quartz/Carbon/Cocoa (they had MAE and OpenSTEP Solaris once)... and use that to garner end-users and increase ease of use...(the Gnome thing is a partial step in the right direction)
AJ
Yeah you're gonna have to walk up to an official bank teller to get your money now... oh wait they are keying things into their NCR bank PC's... DOH!... better go to the pencil and paper bank. Wait they probably use NCR printer calculators...
DOH!
My idea is why don't we just encode an ACL into the MP3 and encrypt it. Use something similar to filesystem security bits and a password agent that allows the owner of the file to authenticate and play it forever, but when transferred to another machine, it will not play unless the user either has a CD to verify against the copy, or enables the file through online purchase. At that point the ACL is replaced with a new one containing that user. The user can also add a few other users to the ACL and purposedly share it with maybe 3 friends, but no more. Perhaps the other 2 entries in the ACL can expire after a certain amount of time or date.
I'm in the same boat... big debt... it's not fun at all.
BTW I am skinny and I can still tell those skinny fat bigots to fuck off and mind their own business. Of course they need a target to make themselves feel better.
Being thin anorexically is very unhealthy...period.
Being fat because you don't do anything and gorge on empty foods or harmful foods is unhealthy.
Being fat because you don't do anything and gorge on healthy foods is somewhat harmful but we don't know for sure
Being fat because you have a low metabolism, but you eat right and excercise moderately is sometimes healthier than a thin person who does the same thing for fat dynamic reasons.. i.e. retaining vitamins and calcium.
Being thin and eating right with moderate exercise is ok too.
Being thin and eating a ton because you have a high metabolism might be ok depending on what you eat.
What you eat does not depend on fat intake, cholesterol intake, quantity of meat or other, but simply the inclusion of a balanced diet and the 96 essential vitamins and minerals with a low intake of trans-fats.
Strenuous excercise is very bad too... if one eats only salad and jogs every day they are going to die young. They aren't getting certain proteins and they're wearing out their joints, their heart muscles, and many other things especially if they have no body fat to burn....and they're getting ugly and stringy too. (I won't continue in this vein because I could fill many paragraphs that way)
so how does one feed humans on holographic food that was created by the computers in order to generate the energy to feed the computers. Given the real world outside the matrix is incapable of sustaining the cow to make the real version of the holographic steak the traitor guy ate, it is sort of like building a perpetual motion machine... unless they are talking about the real way they feed the people... which was with the dead, except that would mean the death rate was higher than the birth rate... oops...
What fun irony
Yes I think the real cause of this is the fact that by gaining less in terms of calories, the fly becomes more lethargic which means they beat their wings less often and wear their bodies out slower. It is sort of like a slight hibernation. The idea of doing the same thing in humans would just create people less willing to move. They might not even lose weight... just be lazier... sort of like what happens when people with heart arrhythymias start to make sudden movements... they nearly pass out.
I am also outraged with those people who think fat people or Americans who eat a lot are greedy. That's a pile of crap. Everyone is greedy, and I'd rather people be greedy over food than money any day. Besides fat people are beautiful and not to be erased by science any more than short people or balding people
on a more subtle note.. genes aren't really capable of being turned partially off (that would indicate that there are several genes responsible for something) Just disabling one gene in a set will not cause a decrease in action necessarily, it might cause something totally insane to happen.
The UNIX ports included are Solaris, HPUX and AIX. I would be stunned if the market share for FrameMaker on AIX would be greater than the potential market share for FrameMaker on Linux. Given this I would guess that at least some of the UNIX ports are payed for by the owners of the respective operating system.
The truth of the matter is I bet Adobe figures they already will support Linux that way, since AIX 5L runs Linux binaries, and IBM has committed itself to Linux support, so those who need big machine support get AIX or Sun boxes with framemaker and Linux compatibility. The other end of the coin is Mac OS X, so it becomes clear that if it isn't necessarily a way to defeat the momentum of Linux, it is more a case of some companies figuring out how to effectively "can't beat em join em." The answer wasn't to pre-load Linux... ala. Dell and VA Research. The answer was to take the conceptual parts and development model and apply different portions to a unique, fairly priced, system... ala. Mac OS X which has the underparts open sourced, some important items like Quicktime Streaming Server (could kill Real) open sourced, an active involvement in open source, and a user-friendly BSD based system that supports legacy software enough to be viable without being crippled. I would only be disappointed if Adobe said hey... no Mac OS X, or worse... nothing but Windows...yech.
DOS/Win 3.x
As another advanced user I would rank those pretty much the same well except that KDE/Gnome would be nestled below Win9X/NT/2000. OS X PB is far more robust in terms of development environment and integration of graphical ways of doing things versus just pulling up Terminal.app. Think of the years of NeXT and OpenSTEP development that are still there, the Objective C API, and display postscript which is now dPDF(Aqua). Even the Linux/GNU community is trying to reimplement it as GNUSTEP. I've edited things with Terminal.app as text files in vi, then pulled up the graphical manager and all the settings were kept track of. Netinfo is also incredibly powerful and elegant. Besides anyone who wants to use a UI with cartoon icons anymore come on. We have all that power lets have the photorealistic icons, vector graphics, and anti-aliasing of fonts. The other UI's are a joke.. oh and I'd drop Win 3.1 from even qualifying for the list. I had to support a machine with that OS again after leaving it behind for so many years... it is just a terrible interface... and ugly, and I resisted moving from NT 3.51-->4.0 because I didn't like the 9X interface... gosh what was I thinking. The other thing one must remember is that GNOME and KDE run on X-windows. X-windows is a pile of junk. It's slow, non-standardized, and most of the software up until recently that was written for it is aesthetically unpleasing... look at OpenLook for example... uglorama, and Athena widgets. Also GNOME is great if you don't use Enlightenment.. if you use Enlightenment forget easy to use or pretty... exotic maybe, but everything is just designed to look good on a screen a mile wide, and that pager is the worst thing in the world. Helix GNOME and the GTK wm's are far better. BeOS I've never used, but every screenshot made me say hey that's cute, but ugly at the same time. I think the tab topped window titles were the make-break... they looked like roadsign exit denotations. The other thing was a total lack of major developer interest....and Gassee, but that's beside the point.
Buy licenses for Lotus Domino for Solaris and be done with it. It's a perfectly viable piece of groupware that is more compatible with other clients, and at the same time doesn't force you to change the hardware and the OS.
You can even add PC's running Linux with Domino for Linux to the fray, or just sendmail to do relaying.
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"30 year old technology" is not a valid criticism of Unix. Think of Unix as having been tested and refined for 30 years. The light bulb is "100 year old technology" (more or less), but we all use them. They're a lot better now, aren't they? Tested and refined over 100 years.
Well actually 100 year old lightbulbs were better in some respects... they just don't burn out. There are some 50+ or so year old lightbulbs in a Church on Cornell's campus... they are pretty dim, but not a single one is burnt out. Huge filament too...a big loop the size of the entire inside.
Yeah well there are a number of revisionist changes that have happened. If anyone remembers far enough back to around the time of Star Trek V or VI, there were some great books out including the Source Guide set in ST VI times and the Calon Riel's Ships of the Starfleet series. From these you learn that Klingons discovered warp drive in Earth's 1800's and that it was the Romulans who were warpless. Roms had cloak Klingons Warp... and they traded tech.
The professor used to lock all the workstations in math labs using xlock.
We just discovered Stop-A and reboot.
Once the Suns came back up it was free Internet surfing for the rest of the class time.
Yeah bring back the Tholians!
...or Gorn
AJ
They aren't twice as expensive... here's the facts:
Date: Monday, August 20, 2001 8:41:56 AM CDT
Catalog Number: 29 19
Dell Dimension 8100 Series: Dimension® 8100 Series,Pentium® 4 Processor at 1.5Ghz
D8115W - [220-6965]
Memory: 128MB PC800 RDRAM
128M8 - [311-8424]
Keyboard: Dell® Enhanced Performance USB Keyboard
EPUSB - [310-2754]
Monitor: Video Ready without Monitor Option
N - [320-3000]
Video Card: 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP Graphics Card with TV-Out
32NVMXT - [320-3269]
Hard Drive: 40GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive
40 - [340-1921]
Floppy Drive: 3.5 in Floppy Drive
3 - [340-2805]
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® Millennium Edition with WinXP Home Upgrade Coupon Offer
WMEXP - [420-8050] [313-7222]
Mouse: MS IntelliMouse®
IM - [310-2757]
Network Card: Integrated 3Com® EtherLink® 10/100 Ethernet Controller
IN - [461-1292]
Modem: 56K PCI Data Fax Modem for Windows
DFAX - [313-0501]
DVD-ROM or CD-ROM Drive: 8x/4x/32x CD-RW Drive
CDRW8 - [313-1477]
Sound Card: SB Live! Digital Sound card
SB1024 - [313-7869]
Speakers: Harman/Kardon Speakers
HK - [313-1479]
Bundled Software: Microsoft® Works Suite 2001 with Money 2001 Standard
WORKS - [412-3636]
Digital Music: Dell Jukebox powered by MusicMatch 6.0
JUKEBOX - [412-1411]
Digital Imaging Software: Image Expert® 2000, Dell Edition ($0)
DPS - [412-2108]
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: 1 Year Ltd. Warranty, 1 Year At Home Service, 1 Year 24x7 Phone Support
S111OS - [900-9054] [950-1260] [950-3337]
Internet Access Options: 6 Month Dellnet® by MSN Internet Access [add $0]
MSN6MO - [412-0265]
Power Protection: APC SURGESTATION PRO8T2
PRO8T2 - [519230]
Price $1228.00
Summary
733MHz PowerPC G4
128MB SDRAM - 1 DIMM
40GB Ultra ATA drive
CD-RW drive
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX - 32MB SDRAM
56K internal modem
Apple Pro Keyboard - U.S. English
Mac OS - U.S. English
Gigabit Ethernet
Two USB ports
Two FireWire ports
Apple Pro Mouse
Price $1699
I think they are identical in price if you actually take the time to price a Gigabit Ethernet Card.
AJ
First in USD the cheapest iMac is $799... convert that directly to Australian dollars please.
Apple hardware hasn't been overpriced for 3 years now. Considering the bang YOU DO get for the buck I'd say the machines are well worth it. They fix the price points and adjust to new technology around them. $3499 US buys their most expensive model with a display (FS 17") which includes combo DVD-R/CDRW and gigabit ethernet.
Steve isn't evil... mean spirited yes... occasionally...despite everything he actually believes in what he markets..."insanely great computers & software". Steve is more like... if you don't like my stuff fark you... but I'm selling it anyway...isn't it beautiful? It is in fact a successful proposition and has turned the company way around. Bill is far more evil since all he cares about is making insane returns on mediocre software and controlling every electronics related business in the future through .NET. His only appearance at HomeBrew the anti-piracy wiener thing is evidence enough of that.
Larry:... no comment... I think he's just jealous... but Oracle does make great software albeit insanely expensive.
Yep... the same business CornPack wants to up to a third of their business and sold the only thing that made them special for... Oh and Acer too... wants to go entirely services based.... ahhh today is the major cleaning up of the PC market... consolidation... look out for falling PC vendors! AJ
Sun should follow IBM's lead if anything... make Solaris fully Linux compatible while still being the more robust OS that it is... I think AIX 5L and zOS will have quite a following in the future. Sun should never ditch their superior hardware or support for it... in the same way IBM knows not to ditch POWER hardware. SGI should have gotten a clue... MIPS good... Intel bad... but whatever... although they had a reasonably good idea for Intel boxes... the enhanced real firmware Intel box. As far as source licenses... perhaps they should follow Apple's lead... Personally I think they should try to get in bed with Apple over Quartz/Carbon/Cocoa (they had MAE and OpenSTEP Solaris once)... and use that to garner end-users and increase ease of use...(the Gnome thing is a partial step in the right direction) AJ
Yeah you're gonna have to walk up to an official bank teller to get your money now... oh wait they are keying things into their NCR bank PC's... DOH!... better go to the pencil and paper bank. Wait they probably use NCR printer calculators... DOH!
My idea is why don't we just encode an ACL into the MP3 and encrypt it. Use something similar to filesystem security bits and a password agent that allows the owner of the file to authenticate and play it forever, but when transferred to another machine, it will not play unless the user either has a CD to verify against the copy, or enables the file through online purchase. At that point the ACL is replaced with a new one containing that user. The user can also add a few other users to the ACL and purposedly share it with maybe 3 friends, but no more. Perhaps the other 2 entries in the ACL can expire after a certain amount of time or date.
Has anyone noticed how much the packaging resembles Apple's Powerbook packaging? This unit reminds me of an IA/Cube/Laptop hybrid. AJ
Och dammit©©©© stupid fake deaths I swore the last time I had this happen some magazine reported the late Alec Guinness©©© he actually died two years after I saw the article© So where did I hear this©©© I don't remember Appologies
You tell him Cannonball... what a loser.
I'm in the same boat... big debt... it's not fun at all.
BTW I am skinny and I can still tell those skinny fat bigots to fuck off and mind their own business. Of course they need a target to make themselves feel better.
Regards
AJ
Alistair Cook never made it to the 21st century he's dead.
He died a year or two ago.
He used to host Masterpiece Theater
Is he reporting from the afterlife again?
Somebody kick his ass then.
Being thin anorexically is very unhealthy...period.
Being fat because you don't do anything and gorge on empty foods or harmful foods is unhealthy.
Being fat because you don't do anything and gorge on healthy foods is somewhat harmful but we don't know for sure
Being fat because you have a low metabolism, but you eat right and excercise moderately is sometimes healthier than a thin person who does the same thing for fat dynamic reasons.. i.e. retaining vitamins and calcium.
Being thin and eating right with moderate exercise is ok too.
Being thin and eating a ton because you have a high metabolism might be ok depending on what you eat.
What you eat does not depend on fat intake, cholesterol intake, quantity of meat or other, but simply the inclusion of a balanced diet and the 96 essential vitamins and minerals with a low intake of trans-fats.
Strenuous excercise is very bad too... if one eats only salad and jogs every day they are going to die young. They aren't getting certain proteins and they're wearing out their joints, their heart muscles, and many other things especially if they have no body fat to burn....and they're getting ugly and stringy too. (I won't continue in this vein because I could fill many paragraphs that way)
so how does one feed humans on holographic food that was created by the computers in order to generate the energy to feed the computers. Given the real world outside the matrix is incapable of sustaining the cow to make the real version of the holographic steak the traitor guy ate, it is sort of like building a perpetual motion machine... unless they are talking about the real way they feed the people ... which was with the dead, except that would mean the death rate was higher than the birth rate... oops...
What fun irony
Yes I think the real cause of this is the fact that by gaining less in terms of calories, the fly becomes more lethargic which means they beat their wings less often and wear their bodies out slower. It is sort of like a slight hibernation. The idea of doing the same thing in humans would just create people less willing to move. They might not even lose weight... just be lazier ... sort of like what happens when people with heart arrhythymias start to make sudden movements... they nearly pass out.
I am also outraged with those people who think fat people or Americans who eat a lot are greedy. That's a pile of crap. Everyone is greedy, and I'd rather people be greedy over food than money any day. Besides fat people are beautiful and not to be erased by science any more than short people or balding people
on a more subtle note.. genes aren't really capable of being turned partially off (that would indicate that there are several genes responsible for something) Just disabling one gene in a set will not cause a decrease in action necessarily, it might cause something totally insane to happen.
Yes they always do seem to do that© I was posting something to a debian list and I made a small mistake at one point© I don't even remember what that was, but I blamed Outlook and Exchange for the one discrepancy, and people emerged from the woodwork to talk about how bad Exchange is, how it isn't appreciated there, and how I shouldn't use it©©© just rip it out of our infrastructure©©© no thoughts given to the cost involved in supporting another solution with the same data intact and shareable ¥it has to be Groupware© Use Linux lalalalala©©© and forgetting that standard sendmail is not user-friendly groupware that 90% of our non-technical staff would appreciate©©©sure Lotus Domino is available, but we already own good enough licenses of E 5©5 and will get rid of it when we have the money and time to grow not sooner© This stuff hurts Linux advocacy© Andrew
I for one am worried that such tinkering with the operating system will help Apple "see the light"©©© the wrong light© I like the way the Aqua UI works ¥I was mainly a Linux/BSD/MacOS 9©x user© I loved OpenSTEP© I like photorealistic icons©©© I like graphical eye-candy, and the fact that I can still use the CLI© There has been so much work done on making things look really polished, that I say shame on those who want to ¥and probably will force Apple to re-cartoonify the MacOS© Why is it that people have to be so selfish as to believe that the OS or any technology should adapt to the way "they" do work ¥notice how many theys exist out there and how different each and every one is©©© get over it people©©©adapt yourselves to your surroundings and you survive© It took me all of 2 minutes to adapt to the new UI©©© all of 2 minutes to adapt to the round mouse©©©¥I wouldn't give it up now
The UNIX ports included are Solaris, HPUX and AIX. I would be stunned if the market share for FrameMaker on AIX would be greater than the potential market share for FrameMaker on Linux. Given this I would guess that at least some of the UNIX ports are payed for by the owners of the respective operating system.
The truth of the matter is I bet Adobe figures they already will support Linux that way, since AIX 5L runs Linux binaries, and IBM has committed itself to Linux support, so those who need big machine support get AIX or Sun boxes with framemaker and Linux compatibility. The other end of the coin is Mac OS X, so it becomes clear that if it isn't necessarily a way to defeat the momentum of Linux, it is more a case of some companies figuring out how to effectively "can't beat em join em." The answer wasn't to pre-load Linux... ala. Dell and VA Research. The answer was to take the conceptual parts and development model and apply different portions to a unique, fairly priced, system... ala. Mac OS X which has the underparts open sourced, some important items like Quicktime Streaming Server (could kill Real) open sourced, an active involvement in open source, and a user-friendly BSD based system that supports legacy software enough to be viable without being crippled. I would only be disappointed if Adobe said hey... no Mac OS X, or worse... nothing but Windows...yech.
As an advanced user I'd rank them:
KDE/Gnome
Max OS X
BeOS
Other recent Mac OS's
Win 95 w/ Internet
Win 95/98/NT
DOS/Win 3.x
As another advanced user I would rank those pretty much the same well except that KDE/Gnome would be nestled below Win9X/NT/2000. OS X PB is far more robust in terms of development environment and integration of graphical ways of doing things versus just pulling up Terminal.app. Think of the years of NeXT and OpenSTEP development that are still there, the Objective C API, and display postscript which is now dPDF(Aqua). Even the Linux/GNU community is trying to reimplement it as GNUSTEP. I've edited things with Terminal.app as text files in vi, then pulled up the graphical manager and all the settings were kept track of. Netinfo is also incredibly powerful and elegant. Besides anyone who wants to use a UI with cartoon icons anymore come on. We have all that power lets have the photorealistic icons, vector graphics, and anti-aliasing of fonts. The other UI's are a joke.. oh and I'd drop Win 3.1 from even qualifying for the list. I had to support a machine with that OS again after leaving it behind for so many years... it is just a terrible interface... and ugly, and I resisted moving from NT 3.51-->4.0 because I didn't like the 9X interface... gosh what was I thinking. The other thing one must remember is that GNOME and KDE run on X-windows. X-windows is a pile of junk. It's slow, non-standardized, and most of the software up until recently that was written for it is aesthetically unpleasing... look at OpenLook for example... uglorama, and Athena widgets. Also GNOME is great if you don't use Enlightenment.. if you use Enlightenment forget easy to use or pretty... exotic maybe, but everything is just designed to look good on a screen a mile wide, and that pager is the worst thing in the world. Helix GNOME and the GTK wm's are far better. BeOS I've never used, but every screenshot made me say hey that's cute, but ugly at the same time. I think the tab topped window titles were the make-break... they looked like roadsign exit denotations. The other thing was a total lack of major developer interest....and Gassee, but that's beside the point.
Buy licenses for Lotus Domino for Solaris and be done with it. It's a perfectly viable piece of groupware that is more compatible with other clients, and at the same time doesn't force you to change the hardware and the OS. You can even add PC's running Linux with Domino for Linux to the fray, or just sendmail to do relaying.
and speaking of blood... Hemos, and iron...
Well cooking with blood would truly make one the Iron chef.
Andrew
And that bird is the University of Delaware bird. I don't think those racks are going to Duke. That is YoUDee the Fightin Blue Hen Regards, Andrew