This is not actually true. The raid to Hell is paved with frozen door-to-door salesman. On weekends, many of the younger demons go ice skating down it.
If you read LAMP as LAM(Perl) rather than LAM(PHP), logic and interface can most certainly be separated. I've been told that this is possible with PHP also, but I've never used PHP, so I can't verify the truth of that claim.
PHP can do the same as perl in this, but neither can truly separate logic from interface. Both can go a long way but fall short in the end (as any language would)
In most cases you need to format your output according to the interface and you need to put it in an exact spot and many other things that your code cannot do without using HTML. So you either end up with HTML in your code (bad) or code in your HTML (also bad but unavoidable)
Not all LAMP code is embedded in HTML pages or printing the HTML directly from code... We have template systems, XML/XSL, and the like, too.
Template systems are a crutch where HTML is the dissability. I can see the use for them but you're still substituting logic for nicer sounding logic.
1st. I never said the United States in glorious. Truth be known, this country has it's own set of problems. But religion is NOT one of them.
You might not have said it, but that is how you feel, if it isn't then you're one of the few exceptions I have talked to. And while I don't view religion in itself a problem, religious extremism is a problem whatever deity you worship. Apparently a majority in the US disagrees with me (yes I regard your president as a religious nut).
2nd. Europe fought WW2 primarly for itself with the US helping out. But when Japan attacked us, we did not mess around.
You realy don't have to convince me of anything here. WW2 is something the US can rightly be proud of, discussions on whether the A-bomb might have / should have been avoided might be useful and interesting even but ultimately doesn't change the heroic fact. Would that Theodore Roosevelt were alive today.
Not all of us Jews, Christians, or Muslims are wack-jobs. But those that are however, WILL get media attention around the world. But it's much easier for people like you to paint such a broad stoke on all of us practicing faith and religion.
As I said, I don't have a problem with religion per se, I could point out some problems I have with the church as an organisation but that is quit a different discussion. And yes wack-jobs do get all the attention, more so if you make them your president.
4. Your so full of hate it scares me. I suggest you take some time of self reflection. The very hyperbole you spew forth is clouding your judgement in a never ending cycle of rage.
Hate no, irrate anger maybe, in my worldview the bastards are supposed to lose, how could you people let us all down like this? Your president has been very busy making the world unsafer the past 3 years and you've just given him the go-ahead to make it worse. To top it all off you still expect us to follow you blindly or be painted as cowards while silly people throw WW2 in your face as if they have any idea what it has done to Europe.
Europe does need the US and we do owe you not just for WW2 but also for the cold war, while also doing a lot of fucked up things I have always believed the US came out ok in the balance. Right now though, I don't like you guys very much.
Anyway, lets call a truce, the thread is long dead, I'm over my immediate anger and anyway it's weekend.
You don't get it either do you? No matter how hard we yell and shout you fucking idiots will never ever listen to anything other then what your glorious leader tells you!
you want to rid the world of dictators for the betterment of all people? Fine, talk to me about that, but somehow I have the feeling that you don't want to talk to me about that, you want to talk about how glorious the United States is.
We are the though guys, we love freedom, shame on you for not goosestepping behind us, what are you French or something? Ow no wait you must have been bought off by the oil-for-food scam. Don't you know we fought WW-II for you guys?
Well, fuck you and all idiots like you. I don't goosestep very well and I hate religious zealots whatever country they are from and whatever deity they worship. All your flag-waving and all your unquestioning loyalty do is make you seem like a fucking scary bunch of mindless drones to me.
We bail you European & British Empire folks out of wars constantly. Than when we are fucking attacked you guys do this
Stop playing with your GI-joes little boy, that war has been over for 60 years and believe you me you are NOT your grandfather.
The people that liberate europe (not just US soldiers you arrogant little shit) are still venerated but united states credit has been running out steadily for years and Bush will spend the rest.
The conservative segment of America is the one leading for the war, defense of American ideals, and so on. The irony, most of the conservatives tend to personally agree with the Muslim stances on homosexuality, banking, sexual licentiousness, etc. (The degenerate culture we export around the world that is the number one reason Osama attacked.) And the irony, is we are defending the rights of people like you to have the freedom to be things we do not believe in.
Maybe we should let the extremists come to power...
Ow but you have let the extremists come to power. I can recognize them from far away no matter what flag they are wearing, Bush is no defender of any kind of freedom anywhere.
We're defending your asses...and you're to pompous and full of yourselves to realize it.
No, you're screwing with our asses and we'd love for you to stop doing it.
You are contradicting yourself, if sense of smell is a receding trait because it has been replaced by sight then it will not start to recede UNTILL it has been replaced.
You kow, like our aquatic ancestors wouldn't have given up on gills in anticipation of the move to land untill after they actually didn't need them anymore.
I have to vote for party x otherwise it would send the wrong message? What kind of reasoning is that? Sorry, but the spannish people were absolutely right to kick the lying sacks of shit out ot office.
Hard to believe maybe but most people around the world actually get offended when their elected officials lie to them.
A multi-party system would gridlock faster than traffic in LA on Friday afternoon. It would be almost impossible to reach a consensus.
If a president cannot get a majority of representatives to agree with his plans then maybe that is because a majority of the people he rules don't agree with them. Gridlock in this case is not a bug but a feature.
Multi-party (why settle for 3 if you can have the whole set:-) systems can work, but you need politicians who realize that however strong they might feel about an issue, unless their mandate is strong enough (ie more then 50% of the votes), they cannot act in the way they want.
I don't think anybody is trying to say differently, I know I wasn't. Scientists are a cross-section of society so I'd certainly expect to find Nazi ideologues among them in Nazi Germany.
What u-238 seems to be implying in this and other threads, is that their scientific accomplishments are a direct result of their ideologies, I certainly object to that and pointing to a disgruntled Nazi scientist as proof doesn't win any points with me.
He got honorably discharged from the military. Deserters do not get honorably discharged.
No, but maybe someone with connections wouldn't get labeled deserter where someone without them would
There are only three months unaccounted for, I dont know what happened during those three months, or what deal he struck with the National Guard.
Neither do I, it would be nice to know what the war president did in this time wouldn't it? I mean wasn't there a war going just then?
Also, Bush is not a liar. I can only pressume you are talking about the WMD in iraq. Please note, if Bush lied when he said that Iraq had WMD's, then you are also saying that Saddam Hussain, Kofi Annon, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Madylin Albright and more lied about it as well.
Well, lets assume I agree with you here, they all lied. This would make an excellent case not to vote for any of them in the upcoming election.
Even so, I don't think any of them ever mentioned imminent threats or mushroom clouds.
Lies? Well i'll be generous and call it misleading.
Regarding Gitmo, maybe i should have said this "They were terrorists or insurgents trying to kill american soliders, therefore dont deserve equal rights as say, a conventional murderer (like Scott Peterson)."
Why not? The idea is that _everyone_ has the same rights, regardles of what they have done. No true democracy can work when it divides people in 'those who have rights' and 'those who don't'.
I don't think we can just sweep into say, Tehran, and assume they are all terrorists, but sweeping into the mountains of afghanastan and arresting people is a pretty safe bet.
A safe bet if you're playing the lottery, but it does not constitute guilt. Due process is not a get-out-of-jail-free card, it is there so people can plead their innocence. I see no reason for this right to be taken away from anyone, even if they are, in fact, a terrorist.
When I said PostgreSQL was more friendly towards the database administrator I was talking about administering the data, not the DBMS (these are not quite the same)
Well, just goes to show how much I know about being a DB admin:)
I just meant that I don't agree with your idea that MySQL is better for programmers, it is not! And admins and programmers do not have opposing roles in this.
Are you kidding me? If you like to do everything in your app that _should_ have been handled by the DBMS then yeah, sure:)....MySQL is more friendly to the programmer who hasn't got a clue about databases maybe, if you know what a real DBMS can do it becomes a pain in the ass to work with.
you can't have a DBMS which makes both happy: there are opposing roles.
Well, I don't think I'd agree with that, but if anything I'd say MySQL is the easier one to administer. Postgres needs a lot more thought with regards to tuning and user management.
Especially user management in Postgres is, in my view, horrible and a lot better in MySQL. Well, can't have it all I guess:) I'd still take Postges over MySQL any day.
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This is not actually true. The raid to Hell is paved with frozen door-to-door salesman. On weekends, many of the younger demons go ice skating down it.
Seriously, this topic was at 666 comments and some heartless bastard had the nerve to post the 667th? http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5710/666b.png
The lawsuit you will start this week will be lost. Also you will be the laughing stock of the world.
*sigh* damn space probe......
We can call up the Netherlands, they know how to do this kind of stuff.
Yes, as a dutchie I can tell you that our country is so flat because we have blown-up all our mountains in the past.
I am not at liberty to tell you how we did it, but cows and windmills were involved.
When there were no more mountains to blow up we got bored and legalized marihuana.
If you read LAMP as LAM(Perl) rather than LAM(PHP), logic and interface can most certainly be separated. I've been told that this is possible with PHP also, but I've never used PHP, so I can't verify the truth of that claim.
PHP can do the same as perl in this, but neither can truly separate logic from interface. Both can go a long way but fall short in the end (as any language would)
In most cases you need to format your output according to the interface and you need to put it in an exact spot and many other things that your code cannot do without using HTML. So you either end up with HTML in your code (bad) or code in your HTML (also bad but unavoidable)
Not all LAMP code is embedded in HTML pages or printing the HTML directly from code... We have template systems, XML/XSL, and the like, too.
Template systems are a crutch where HTML is the dissability. I can see the use for them but you're still substituting logic for nicer sounding logic.
1st. I never said the United States in glorious. Truth be known, this country has it's own set of problems. But religion is NOT one of them.
You might not have said it, but that is how you feel, if it isn't then you're one of the few exceptions I have talked to. And while I don't view religion in itself a problem, religious extremism is a problem whatever deity you worship. Apparently a majority in the US disagrees with me (yes I regard your president as a religious nut).
2nd. Europe fought WW2 primarly for itself with the US helping out. But when Japan attacked us, we did not mess around.
You realy don't have to convince me of anything here. WW2 is something the US can rightly be proud of, discussions on whether the A-bomb might have / should have been avoided might be useful and interesting even but ultimately doesn't change the heroic fact. Would that Theodore Roosevelt were alive today.
Not all of us Jews, Christians, or Muslims are wack-jobs. But those that are however, WILL get media attention around the world. But it's much easier for people like you to paint such a broad stoke on all of us practicing faith and religion.
As I said, I don't have a problem with religion per se, I could point out some problems I have with the church as an organisation but that is quit a different discussion. And yes wack-jobs do get all the attention, more so if you make them your president.
4. Your so full of hate it scares me. I suggest you take some time of self reflection. The very hyperbole you spew forth is clouding your judgement in a never ending cycle of rage.
Hate no, irrate anger maybe, in my worldview the bastards are supposed to lose, how could you people let us all down like this? Your president has been very busy making the world unsafer the past 3 years and you've just given him the go-ahead to make it worse. To top it all off you still expect us to follow you blindly or be painted as cowards while silly people throw WW2 in your face as if they have any idea what it has done to Europe.
Europe does need the US and we do owe you not just for WW2 but also for the cold war, while also doing a lot of fucked up things I have always believed the US came out ok in the balance. Right now though, I don't like you guys very much.
Anyway, lets call a truce, the thread is long dead, I'm over my immediate anger and anyway it's weekend.
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You don't get it either do you? No matter how hard we yell and shout you fucking idiots will never ever listen to anything other then what your glorious leader tells you!
you want to rid the world of dictators for the betterment of all people? Fine, talk to me about that, but somehow I have the feeling that you don't want to talk to me about that, you want to talk about how glorious the United States is.
We are the though guys, we love freedom, shame on you for not goosestepping behind us, what are you French or something? Ow no wait you must have been bought off by the oil-for-food scam. Don't you know we fought WW-II for you guys?
Well, fuck you and all idiots like you. I don't goosestep very well and I hate religious zealots whatever country they are from and whatever deity they worship. All your flag-waving and all your unquestioning loyalty do is make you seem like a fucking scary bunch of mindless drones to me.
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Take your blinders off....it helps
If you keep advocating legalisation of gay marriage, God will most certainly want nothing to do with you.
You talk to him do you?
'cause you see, I've got some complaints.
We bail you European & British Empire folks out of wars constantly. Than when we are fucking attacked you guys do this
Stop playing with your GI-joes little boy, that war has been over for 60 years and believe you me you are NOT your grandfather.
The people that liberate europe (not just US soldiers you arrogant little shit) are still venerated but united states credit has been running out steadily for years and Bush will spend the rest.
The conservative segment of America is the one leading for the war, defense of American ideals, and so on. The irony, most of the conservatives tend to personally agree with the Muslim stances on homosexuality, banking, sexual licentiousness, etc. (The degenerate culture we export around the world that is the number one reason Osama attacked.) And the irony, is we are defending the rights of people like you to have the freedom to be things we do not believe in.
Maybe we should let the extremists come to power...
Ow but you have let the extremists come to power. I can recognize them from far away no matter what flag they are wearing, Bush is no defender of any kind of freedom anywhere.
We're defending your asses...and you're to pompous and full of yourselves to realize it.
No, you're screwing with our asses and we'd love for you to stop doing it.
Actually, that would be the people of the United States I think.
Actually they both would rather have been the black party, but they got stuck wth these names instead.
You are contradicting yourself, if sense of smell is a receding trait because it has been replaced by sight then it will not start to recede UNTILL it has been replaced.
You kow, like our aquatic ancestors wouldn't have given up on gills in anticipation of the move to land untill after they actually didn't need them anymore.
I have to vote for party x otherwise it would send the wrong message? What kind of reasoning is that? Sorry, but the spannish people were absolutely right to kick the lying sacks of shit out ot office.
Hard to believe maybe but most people around the world actually get offended when their elected officials lie to them.
this is hardly even a story...
100.000 people and their relatives disagree
A multi-party system would gridlock faster than traffic in LA on Friday afternoon. It would be almost impossible to reach a consensus.
:-) systems can work, but you need politicians who realize that however strong they might feel about an issue, unless their mandate is strong enough (ie more then 50% of the votes), they cannot act in the way they want.
If a president cannot get a majority of representatives to agree with his plans then maybe that is because a majority of the people he rules don't agree with them. Gridlock in this case is not a bug but a feature.
Multi-party (why settle for 3 if you can have the whole set
one begins gibbering uncontrollably
Are they sure these people didn't have an Internet connection?
Will the real world governement please stand up!
I don't think anybody is trying to say differently, I know I wasn't. Scientists are a cross-section of society so I'd certainly expect to find Nazi ideologues among them in Nazi Germany.
What u-238 seems to be implying in this and other threads, is that their scientific accomplishments are a direct result of their ideologies, I certainly object to that and pointing to a disgruntled Nazi scientist as proof doesn't win any points with me.
Wow, did you take that from a Nazi propaganda poster about jews or something?
Anyway, was there anything incorrect about what the grandparent said?
He got honorably discharged from the military. Deserters do not get honorably discharged.
No, but maybe someone with connections wouldn't get labeled deserter where someone without them would
There are only three months unaccounted for, I dont know what happened during those three months, or what deal he struck with the National Guard.
Neither do I, it would be nice to know what the war president did in this time wouldn't it? I mean wasn't there a war going just then?
Also, Bush is not a liar. I can only pressume you are talking about the WMD in iraq. Please note, if Bush lied when he said that Iraq had WMD's, then you are also saying that Saddam Hussain, Kofi Annon, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Madylin Albright and more lied about it as well.
Well, lets assume I agree with you here, they all lied. This would make an excellent case not to vote for any of them in the upcoming election.
Even so, I don't think any of them ever mentioned imminent threats or mushroom clouds.
Lies? Well i'll be generous and call it misleading.
Regarding Gitmo, maybe i should have said this "They were terrorists or insurgents trying to kill american soliders, therefore dont deserve equal rights as say, a conventional murderer (like Scott Peterson)."
Why not? The idea is that _everyone_ has the same rights, regardles of what they have done. No true democracy can work when it divides people in 'those who have rights' and 'those who don't'.
I don't think we can just sweep into say, Tehran, and assume they are all terrorists, but sweeping into the mountains of afghanastan and arresting people is a pretty safe bet.
A safe bet if you're playing the lottery, but it does not constitute guilt. Due process is not a get-out-of-jail-free card, it is there so people can plead their innocence. I see no reason for this right to be taken away from anyone, even if they are, in fact, a terrorist.
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When I said PostgreSQL was more friendly towards the database administrator I was talking about administering the data, not the DBMS (these are not quite the same)
:)
Well, just goes to show how much I know about being a DB admin
I just meant that I don't agree with your idea that MySQL is better for programmers, it is not! And admins and programmers do not have opposing roles in this.
..Mysql is more friendly towards programmers.
:)....MySQL is more friendly to the programmer who hasn't got a clue about databases maybe, if you know what a real DBMS can do it becomes a pain in the ass to work with.
:) I'd still take Postges over MySQL any day.
Are you kidding me? If you like to do everything in your app that _should_ have been handled by the DBMS then yeah, sure
you can't have a DBMS which makes both happy: there are opposing roles.
Well, I don't think I'd agree with that, but if anything I'd say MySQL is the easier one to administer. Postgres needs a lot more thought with regards to tuning and user management.
Especially user management in Postgres is, in my view, horrible and a lot better in MySQL. Well, can't have it all I guess