I have a similar question comming up with regard to which distro to use in a product we have yet to build. If I cant argue against your points then I am basically screwed. It not personal. Oh, english excapes me, so please forgive. It is sometimes broken. stability
Below standard. Bleeding Edge, often beta.
Beta does not denote lack of stability, at least in the OSI world. It is supposed to, yes. But it does not. Instead what it tends to mean is "I have this new extravagant change set and I am not quite confortable releasing it as the replacement for the last stable", all the while, as many times as not, the last stable revision exhibits lesser stability characteristics. By default, Gentoo releases into the tree (as being default) what is deemed to be stable, its up to the package manager to make this determination. If it happens to be beta code, then so be it. I specifically deny that this is in itself an indication of instability. If "released for quite a while" == stability to you, then go play with debian, they have very old code; it should prove stable for you. We have some machines here, the debian machines run for a long time, just like the gentoo boxes, the redhat boxes are envious that we have flipped the uptime counter (due to minor/known bug in linux) and the redhat boxes do not tend to live so long. I just dont find this statement to have merit, and worse, I find it to be misleading.
Out of context: If I was to manage a farm of 200 different of these I'd easily go crazy.
No, no crazy here,you would adapt, and you would likely be hapier for it, as apposed to the alternatives. How many test debian machines do you have?
Kudos go out I always blaim my father for things. Mostly for always having some semi-ironic quip for whatever the situation was. I blaim him for that. Such as: you know son, now matter how big you get, there will always be someone bigger(this was interchangable with "faster, stronger, smarter") or No matter the lock, there will always be a key.. or two my favorite you can keep a secret, but not if you tell someone Well, ya, like duh. (its harder than you might think first off, which I guess is why he told me this) So in this case I would like to coin another father-esk sort of phrase: No matter how strong your scheme is, someone will work around it Although this is probably already covered by the "...Better mousetrap.." sort or saying. I know that there is a such thing as security. It is secure enough to where it does not take federal mandates and houshold raids to make it secure. Thats security. I am not suggesting things like ssh2 are completly secure and that security promblems will not be found. I am mearly suggesting that it is trusted to be secure and that when a problem is found, it will be fixed. I am fully unaware of any media distribution method (designed to lock people in) to be secure from breakage or to essentially succeed. I think maybe there has been no case. All our security is based on the desireable parties having secrets that the undesirable parties cannot derive in any meaningfull timeframe. This involves keys, and algorithyms. Since the media providers generally dont trust anyone, they seem to think its keen to put the keys in the software where no one may find them. q: Dont they need to deliver said software to the user? a: Why yes Dilvish, they do need to do just that q: Since they need do this, arent they in effect handing the keys to the users and alienating them at the same time? a: " " (I like self gratification, I think its healthy)
The results are just what we see. I used to read all the hardware DRM related stuff, but I am not a hardware guy. I am also jaded when it comes to this sort of thing. We have seen all kinds of software cracked and many kinds of hardware cracked. I am personally not afraid of the security schemes designed to make the media people happy. I am afraid of the jail time. I have faced a judge once over such trivial things, I have no compelling desire to do it again. I guess what I am saying is that we all know this sort of thing can be done, but I believe the effort would be better spent trying to fund http://www.eff.org/IP/DRM/fair_use_and_drm.html
But still, I by no means inteand to subtract from what has been done here. I just think there is a better way.
Most kids don't naturally have a since of focus if they have the chance they will do other things that are more enjoyable then homework. They will do there work to avoid being yelled at by there parents/teachers but not for the point of learning the information, so with modern computers they can get the work done without learning the information because there mind is split on many tasks.
This got me to thinking. What do people in the IT field do for side jobs? So let me get this strait: You have free time? Ya right. Your just like the rest of us white collard engineers and you have no free time. In the hoplessness and despair of your situation you post a seemingly innocent 'Ask Slashdot' hoping to get pointers as if "No, its not for me, I just wondered what you all did". But really, you have free time? Assuming its true, then I would recommend anything that has nothing to do with your current occupation, otherwise you will simply be working a double shift, just with different locale, and you will burn out all that much quicker. Have you ever thought about bartending?
I agree, but I also see it from the broadcasters point of view. From my perception of the situation, I would believe that this is closely related to the same issues that the major music labels have with internet access to music. Anyone can do it. Once downloading your show and playing it your 52 inch LCD widescreen becomes common, they are no longer strictly needed. Even with a humble project that defines a standard for cataloging independant provided content, and a user interface for expressing interest in such content, the old standard infrastructure we know as cable/satellite/broadcast would potentially take on a slow death. They fear death from the internet and its probably right that they do so. Its not that they cannot collect monies from advertisers, its that they would eventually fail to have the demand. But maybe this is longer term than what you were thinking...
And I hate spam just as much as the next guy/gal. Maybe even more for I get more than 1000 emails per week. It would seem Lycos would have us believe that this DDOS tactic is OK, mostly based on the fact that we all hate spammers? I do not believe this hatred alone makes it all OK. For one, this is not a victimless crime. Bandwidth costs money and well ALL pay for bandwidth, clear accross the globe. Normally the money goes up the chain and gets spread around nicely. But now they would have sympathyzers arbitrarily add to the collective bandwidth requirements in order to subtract available bandwidth from specific users of the internet. Just to take it a bit further, but in a different direction, maybe we all hate google (ya right), and yahoo is kind enough to give us a tool to increase the operating costs of google. You might argue that we *choose* to use google and we do not *choose* to recieve spam, but I fail to see how this difference makes such immoral and mostly illegal tactics legit. Flogging might be a good comprimise though. We should never overlook flogging as an alternative. No one gets hurt and we could even serve beer for the event and make it fun for everyone.
And yet with all this testing the other distros, notably RedHat, are not noticably more stable. Methinks stability comparison studies and research into what the various realease philosophies really yield should be accomplished before such assertions are made. The obvious belief that more testing on an unchanging software automatically results in greater stability may well be flawed. I base this idea solely on my perception that, out of the box, RedHat is one of the least stable distros we have used based on a sample install of say 20 out of 100 machines over the past 4 years. The RedHat boxes always gave us the most trouble once put into production. Debian proved to be far more stable, but oddly, Gentoo has nearly equaled Debian for stable production services. All I am saying is that I would not assume compiling from source will equate to less stability, even though it may seem counterintuitive.
they must be violating them in order to implement suspend/resume. Wonders can be done once you trash the layers. Usually to no good end... High latency+high bandiwdth connection can benifit from large window sizes on both ends using TCP + some other optimizations, MS already tries to do away with SYN/SYN+ACK in IE in a bad attempt to accelerate the connection buildup. That said, there is nothing inherently wrong with TCP as a protocol, its just that we suffer from original implementation. When TCP was first developed, memory and bandwidth both were at a premium. All implementations thusfar have usually simply followed the BSD code, and standard mutual understandings have been grudgingly accepted allong the way to improve the performance. Yep, I proclaim there is nothing wrong with TCP. Only the way we use it. Now we have high bandwidth channels for the average person. Cool. Its the high latency channels that present a problem. For this reason we end up with TCP accelerators like Mentat's SkyX product or the Via Sat Linkway or the iPSTAR useage of Nettgain. The main difference is these applications do not require you to recode your user app. And non of them would be needed if TCP were retuned on all endpoints. Damnit, quit trying to replace TCP, and quit stepping on the layers. Thats my TCP rant.
I agree, but I have this suggestion that might make it work(but I doubt it): Lets just say 'what if' the developer opened a pledge page. Assuming he gets it done, we both pleadge to pruchase 5 at 50$ each. Is there a way to make this contractually binding? Dunno. But it would seem like a nifty way to make open some of those things that are forbidden to open source developers (i.e. those things that are frightfully expensive).
In the end, I doubt it would work, it was just a thought I had. And not an original one.
Obviously the project would NOT be competing with nVidia and ATI or Intel or even SIS on the battlefront that those companies are used to dealing with. You do not have to be the fastest in terms of fps or even cheapest to be purchased. You have to be reliable and fixable. We are mostly a PC shop with about equal parts Linux and win32 with some sun machines thrown in. Almost non of this machinery needs to play doom3 as its just windowing and such and in many cases, just text. Yet we buy ATI cards just the same. We need them to be reliable and compatable with our chosen OSs. It saves a whole lot of money that way. You see the point yes?
If you intend to make no dollars, then no, it will not be worth it to anyone for the project will die in infancy. Spinning boards is not cheap and most established hardware developers will not even contemplate your design when they can have nVidia or Intel take the brunt of the risk. Screwed up logic I know. But in practice when the developers product fails thyey fail, but never the less they hold on to the idea that if they have a big name provider then they are somehow insulated from the decision of what unit to go with. Too risky (I know, either way the product fails) I guess. Unless you are willing to promote said video chip as a product, you shouldnt spend your time at it. On the brighter side, if you did promote your open chipset, you would find some small amount of customers ready to purchase.. nay.. demand your chipset. It could be a way to break into the market. Dont bother unless your willing to make a bussiness of it. Otherwise the endevour will be mostly pointless.
I had a fault on my home system, so I tried to knoppix my wife around. I did not recover from the attempt no matter what utilities I tried. I tried to reiser, I tried to fsck her. I even tried mem86 check her and remind her of all the good times we had. In the end, she rebooted me no matter how many times I tried to replug her. Knoppix not good for everything. Yep, this is bad. Baaaddd joke if you can call it that. Oh, by the way, this is nothing but flaimbait. Burn karma, burn.
How much are you willing to pay me for it? Though you can get a much better deal if you buy the GPLed version, we have many in stock. All of the other versions are probably out of your price range.
I see, so a couple brilliant math guys made a bet some time ago that it 'would'/'would not' not be proven that P does not equal NP by the end of the century. And due to the fact that its not been proven, this means that its possble? I dont see that. I submit this only means that it hasnt been proven that its not possible, and further that all of our assumptions still hold. Once you get passed all the fear this article tries to incite by way of background and inference; this article, at the meat of it, only suggests that nothing has changed in 30 years.
I was going to post that signal theft in the wireless context normally refers to frequency ranges used for wireless phones and cell phones and the like. But then I noticed the officer stated it was a 'new' law. The individuals at the nearby phrat house uses our corporate wlan, I have known it for a while. I would hate to be aiding criminal activity by not turning them in or locking them out... Does anyone have a link to something official regarding this new law?
Methinks maybe your confusing slashdot.org with freshmeat.net. At freshmeat, you will find 'real reports on real product releases'. Here you will find tidbits some people call news and people complaining about said tidbits having been mentioned.
I can see the reasoning. I would much rather stay up till 4 for a fun programming task than to listen to Blondie. Besides, you of all people would understand wanting to automate her. Or has this already been done...
As far as storage levels go: I think maybe I am agreeing, I just feel the need to alaborate, and I am pretty drunk so dont take it to seriously. I dont think either expect most users to use this storage so its just a marketing game. Put in big disk arrays, calculate for 1/100th usage, profit! You dont honestly believe that they alocated 2GB just for your sorry ass do you? Oh wait, this is possibly google I am talking about, we cannot knock them. Of course they have my 2GB waiting for me as soon as I subscribe. IMAP,FTP,HTTP as far as the eye can see. Is this still just web based? Crap, now we have to build a google/hotmail network filesystem to leverage my personal 2GB. The point is we see 2GB and a war going on. The general public (which they both cater to) sees higher numbers that they will never use, it just seems better. This becomes a numbers game and it will get far better before they are done.
In genereal its a good thing when someone releases some retrictions, so in in general its a good thing. I wonder though, do the some 50% windows servers that hotmail runs on, do they count that high? Or is this just a bluff...
Next up: Google OS based on Debian, optimized for crawling!
The advanced facial expressions and flowing dialog would be too realistic when superimposed on a young shatner, our minds would reject portrayal as being 'fake'. Better to use some of the old Hanna-Barbera technology with stop action and puppets like they did in Space 1999.
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I have a similar question comming up with regard to which distro to use in a product we have yet to build. If I cant argue against your points then I am basically screwed. It not personal.
Oh, english excapes me, so please forgive. It is sometimes broken.
stability
Below standard. Bleeding Edge, often beta.
Beta does not denote lack of stability, at least in the OSI world. It is supposed to, yes. But it does not.
Instead what it tends to mean is "I have this new extravagant change set and I am not quite confortable releasing it as the replacement for the last stable", all the while, as many times as not, the last stable revision exhibits lesser stability characteristics.
By default, Gentoo releases into the tree (as being default) what is deemed to be stable, its up to the package manager to make this determination. If it happens to be beta code, then so be it. I specifically deny that this is in itself an indication of instability.
If "released for quite a while" == stability to you, then go play with debian, they have very old code; it should prove stable for you. We have some machines here, the debian machines run for a long time, just like the gentoo boxes, the redhat boxes are envious that we have flipped the uptime counter (due to minor/known bug in linux) and the redhat boxes do not tend to live so long. I just dont find this statement to have merit, and worse, I find it to be misleading.
Out of context:
If I was to manage a farm of 200 different of these I'd easily go crazy.
No, no crazy here,you would adapt, and you would likely be hapier for it, as apposed to the alternatives.
How many test debian machines do you have?
Kudos go out
I always blaim my father for things. Mostly for always having some semi-ironic quip for whatever the situation was. I blaim him for that.
Such as:
you know son, now matter how big you get, there will always be someone bigger(this was interchangable with "faster, stronger, smarter")
or
No matter the lock, there will always be a key.. or two
my favorite
you can keep a secret, but not if you tell someone Well, ya, like duh. (its harder than you might think first off, which I guess is why he told me this)
So in this case I would like to coin another father-esk sort of phrase:
No matter how strong your scheme is, someone will work around it
Although this is probably already covered by the "...Better mousetrap.." sort or saying.
I know that there is a such thing as security. It is secure enough to where it does not take federal mandates and houshold raids to make it secure. Thats security. I am not suggesting things like ssh2 are completly secure and that security promblems will not be found. I am mearly suggesting that it is trusted to be secure and that when a problem is found, it will be fixed.
I am fully unaware of any media distribution method (designed to lock people in) to be secure from breakage or to essentially succeed. I think maybe there has been no case.
All our security is based on the desireable parties having secrets that the undesirable parties cannot derive in any meaningfull timeframe. This involves keys, and algorithyms.
Since the media providers generally dont trust anyone, they seem to think its keen to put the keys in the software where no one may find them.
q: Dont they need to deliver said software to the user?
a: Why yes Dilvish, they do need to do just that
q: Since they need do this, arent they in effect handing the keys to the users and alienating them at the same time?
a: " " (I like self gratification, I think its healthy)
The results are just what we see. I used to read all the hardware DRM related stuff, but I am not a hardware guy. I am also jaded when it comes to this sort of thing. We have seen all kinds of software cracked and many kinds of hardware cracked.
I am personally not afraid of the security schemes designed to make the media people happy. I am afraid of the jail time. I have faced a judge once over such trivial things, I have no compelling desire to do it again.
I guess what I am saying is that we all know this sort of thing can be done, but I believe the effort would be better spent trying to fund http://www.eff.org/IP/DRM/fair_use_and_drm.html
But still, I by no means inteand to subtract from what has been done here. I just think there is a better way.
At least my HP 215 has done this since the day I got it. In fact it mostly blurs everything, but specificaly including faces.
More like: "Papers please."
Most kids don't naturally have a since of focus if they have the chance they will do other things that are more enjoyable then homework. They will do there work to avoid being yelled at by there parents/teachers but not for the point of learning the information, so with modern computers they can get the work done without learning the information because there mind is split on many tasks.
Just like work.
This got me to thinking. What do people in the IT field do for side jobs?
So let me get this strait: You have free time?
Ya right. Your just like the rest of us white collard engineers and you have no free time. In the hoplessness and despair of your situation you post a seemingly innocent 'Ask Slashdot' hoping to get pointers as if "No, its not for me, I just wondered what you all did".
But really, you have free time?
Assuming its true, then I would recommend anything that has nothing to do with your current occupation, otherwise you will simply be working a double shift, just with different locale, and you will burn out all that much quicker.
Have you ever thought about bartending?
I agree, but I also see it from the broadcasters point of view. From my perception of the situation, I would believe that this is closely related to the same issues that the major music labels have with internet access to music. Anyone can do it.
Once downloading your show and playing it your 52 inch LCD widescreen becomes common, they are no longer strictly needed. Even with a humble project that defines a standard for cataloging independant provided content, and a user interface for expressing interest in such content, the old standard infrastructure we know as cable/satellite/broadcast would potentially take on a slow death. They fear death from the internet and its probably right that they do so. Its not that they cannot collect monies from advertisers, its that they would eventually fail to have the demand.
But maybe this is longer term than what you were thinking...
And I hate spam just as much as the next guy/gal. Maybe even more for I get more than 1000 emails per week.
It would seem Lycos would have us believe that this DDOS tactic is OK, mostly based on the fact that we all hate spammers? I do not believe this hatred alone makes it all OK.
For one, this is not a victimless crime. Bandwidth costs money and well ALL pay for bandwidth, clear accross the globe. Normally the money goes up the chain and gets spread around nicely. But now they would have sympathyzers arbitrarily add to the collective bandwidth requirements in order to subtract available bandwidth from specific users of the internet.
Just to take it a bit further, but in a different direction, maybe we all hate google (ya right), and yahoo is kind enough to give us a tool to increase the operating costs of google. You might argue that we *choose* to use google and we do not *choose* to recieve spam, but I fail to see how this difference makes such immoral and mostly illegal tactics legit.
Flogging might be a good comprimise though. We should never overlook flogging as an alternative. No one gets hurt and we could even serve beer for the event and make it fun for everyone.
And yet with all this testing the other distros, notably RedHat, are not noticably more stable. Methinks stability comparison studies and research into what the various realease philosophies really yield should be accomplished before such assertions are made. The obvious belief that more testing on an unchanging software automatically results in greater stability may well be flawed. I base this idea solely on my perception that, out of the box, RedHat is one of the least stable distros we have used based on a sample install of say 20 out of 100 machines over the past 4 years. The RedHat boxes always gave us the most trouble once put into production. Debian proved to be far more stable, but oddly, Gentoo has nearly equaled Debian for stable production services.
All I am saying is that I would not assume compiling from source will equate to less stability, even though it may seem counterintuitive.
they must be violating them in order to implement suspend/resume. Wonders can be done once you trash the layers. Usually to no good end...
High latency+high bandiwdth connection can benifit from large window sizes on both ends using TCP + some other optimizations, MS already tries to do away with SYN/SYN+ACK in IE in a bad attempt to accelerate the connection buildup. That said, there is nothing inherently wrong with TCP as a protocol, its just that we suffer from original implementation.
When TCP was first developed, memory and bandwidth both were at a premium. All implementations thusfar have usually simply followed the BSD code, and standard mutual understandings have been grudgingly accepted allong the way to improve the performance.
Yep, I proclaim there is nothing wrong with TCP. Only the way we use it.
Now we have high bandwidth channels for the average person. Cool. Its the high latency channels that present a problem. For this reason we end up with TCP accelerators like Mentat's SkyX product or the Via Sat Linkway or the iPSTAR useage of Nettgain. The main difference is these applications do not require you to recode your user app. And non of them would be needed if TCP were retuned on all endpoints.
Damnit, quit trying to replace TCP, and quit stepping on the layers.
Thats my TCP rant.
The apple][ in graphics mode?
I agree, but I have this suggestion that might make it work(but I doubt it):
Lets just say 'what if' the developer opened a pledge page. Assuming he gets it done, we both pleadge to pruchase 5 at 50$ each. Is there a way to make this contractually binding? Dunno. But it would seem like a nifty way to make open some of those things that are forbidden to open source developers (i.e. those things that are frightfully expensive).
In the end, I doubt it would work, it was just a thought I had. And not an original one.
Wish I could help..[climb mount everest]
No you dont. You would freez your ars off. Symbolicaly that is. But you might very well starve.
Obviously the project would NOT be competing with nVidia and ATI or Intel or even SIS on the battlefront that those companies are used to dealing with. You do not have to be the fastest in terms of fps or even cheapest to be purchased. You have to be reliable and fixable. We are mostly a PC shop with about equal parts Linux and win32 with some sun machines thrown in. Almost non of this machinery needs to play doom3 as its just windowing and such and in many cases, just text. Yet we buy ATI cards just the same. We need them to be reliable and compatable with our chosen OSs. It saves a whole lot of money that way.
You see the point yes?
If you intend to make no dollars, then no, it will not be worth it to anyone for the project will die in infancy. Spinning boards is not cheap and most established hardware developers will not even contemplate your design when they can have nVidia or Intel take the brunt of the risk. Screwed up logic I know. But in practice when the developers product fails thyey fail, but never the less they hold on to the idea that if they have a big name provider then they are somehow insulated from the decision of what unit to go with. Too risky (I know, either way the product fails) I guess.
Unless you are willing to promote said video chip as a product, you shouldnt spend your time at it.
On the brighter side, if you did promote your open chipset, you would find some small amount of customers ready to purchase.. nay.. demand your chipset. It could be a way to break into the market.
Dont bother unless your willing to make a bussiness of it. Otherwise the endevour will be mostly pointless.
I had a fault on my home system, so I tried to knoppix my wife around. I did not recover from the attempt no matter what utilities I tried. I tried to reiser, I tried to fsck her. I even tried mem86 check her and remind her of all the good times we had. In the end, she rebooted me no matter how many times I tried to replug her.
Knoppix not good for everything.
Yep, this is bad. Baaaddd joke if you can call it that.
Oh, by the way, this is nothing but flaimbait.
Burn karma, burn.
How much are you willing to pay me for it? Though you can get a much better deal if you buy the GPLed version, we have many in stock.
All of the other versions are probably out of your price range.
I see, so a couple brilliant math guys made a bet some time ago that it 'would'/'would not' not be proven that P does not equal NP by the end of the century. And due to the fact that its not been proven, this means that its possble?
I dont see that. I submit this only means that it hasnt been proven that its not possible, and further that all of our assumptions still hold.
Once you get passed all the fear this article tries to incite by way of background and inference; this article, at the meat of it, only suggests that nothing has changed in 30 years.
I was going to post that signal theft in the wireless context normally refers to frequency ranges used for wireless phones and cell phones and the like. But then I noticed the officer stated it was a 'new' law.
The individuals at the nearby phrat house uses our corporate wlan, I have known it for a while. I would hate to be aiding criminal activity by not turning them in or locking them out...
Does anyone have a link to something official regarding this new law?
Methinks maybe your confusing slashdot.org with freshmeat.net. At freshmeat, you will find 'real reports on real product releases'. Here you will find tidbits some people call news and people complaining about said tidbits having been mentioned.
I can see the reasoning. I would much rather stay up till 4 for a fun programming task than to listen to Blondie. Besides, you of all people would understand wanting to automate her. Or has this already been done...
As far as storage levels go:
I think maybe I am agreeing, I just feel the need to alaborate, and I am pretty drunk so dont take it to seriously.
I dont think either expect most users to use this storage so its just a marketing game. Put in big disk arrays, calculate for 1/100th usage, profit!
You dont honestly believe that they alocated 2GB just for your sorry ass do you?
Oh wait, this is possibly google I am talking about, we cannot knock them. Of course they have my 2GB waiting for me as soon as I subscribe. IMAP,FTP,HTTP as far as the eye can see. Is this still just web based? Crap, now we have to build a google/hotmail network filesystem to leverage my personal 2GB.
The point is we see 2GB and a war going on. The general public (which they both cater to) sees higher numbers that they will never use, it just seems better. This becomes a numbers game and it will get far better before they are done.
In genereal its a good thing when someone releases some retrictions, so in in general its a good thing. I wonder though, do the some 50% windows servers that hotmail runs on, do they count that high? Or is this just a bluff...
Next up: Google OS based on Debian, optimized for crawling!
was 'Yor: Hunter of the Future'
Its the most horrible movie I am aware of. For an inexplicable reason, I have seen it twice.
The advanced facial expressions and flowing dialog would be too realistic when superimposed on a young shatner, our minds would reject portrayal as being 'fake'.
Better to use some of the old Hanna-Barbera technology with stop action and puppets like they did in Space 1999.
Touhc typping is ovre rated\