As others have said it isn't mandated. I never did, even though I was raised devout Mormon, mostly because I wanted to pack in extra coursework and my parents felt that I read/studied enough on my own that it didn't matter. (Little did they know. But that's another story) I had a good friend who's parents were devout Catholic and, although few people know it, they were able to send her to "release time" at a Catholic class. So yes it's very much a open thing. It was, of course, designed that way so that there could be no real credible challanges to it. But I see this as a good thing.
Outside of Utah local Mormon congregations will often have the same classes in the mornings before school.
Points at the end are free. My iBook came with 10.4.2 it's now at 10.4.5 for *free*. These are nothing more or less than patches/new features. 10.4 came out last April. It looks like 10.5 will ship late this year or early next. So about 18 months till you need to buy a new copy to be at the latest and greatest. That seems like a pretty reasonable release schedule to me. In particular considering that OS X releases tend to bring some real value to the party. But then again I buy OpenBSD CDs every six months and don't really mind paying for my tools. So YMMV but I find it pretty reasonable.
The only radio I have that I ever turn on is in my car. This is mostly to play stuff from my iPod through my RoadTrip. For me this is one of two killer features. The other was that I already had and used iTunes on my iBook so that intergration was nice.
Although I do love that it also "just works" and I can drag a drop tunes into it with my OpenBSD boxes.
1. The Airport Express works with iTunes and is *really* fun if you get a group of friends with iBooks and/or Powerbooks in one room. So you don't need to buy any extra software. Not sure if it works with the Windows port because, well, I don't use Windows when I'm not being paid to.
Clearly I can't speak for Linus. But I can float a couple of theories based on my own thoughts and the bits of the history that I know. Adn what is/. for if not wild and semi-random speculation on subjects about which we have no first hand knowledge!
IIRC Linus has said that back when he started coding Linux that he was not aware of the *BSD project (Free only at that point I think but am not sure) and that if he had known of it he would have simply used that. Also, and I'm going to just disclaim the rest of this post here and drop it as it is getting old, pretty much the only reason he GPLed it was because that was the only free license he knew of and to thank RMS for GCC. He has also *never* really been political, either way. And has always seemed to make choices based on the quality of code as he sees it (Bitkeeper, as an example but I am *not* making any statements about the quality of said code either way simply that he *thought* it as better and used it in spite of the license).
So having established that Linus seems to be pretty much a political agnostic (As a *BSD guy this is one of the many things I respect about the guy).
The new version of the GPL seems to me to be *very* political. In fact political almost to the point where I'm not sure it can really be called a free software license anymore. I mean *YES* the things it is against are evil evil evil and should be wiped from the face of the Earth. But a "free software" license is IMO, and given the history and what we are seeing now I think one could guess that Linus would agree, NOT the place to fight that battle. Use restrictions are *very* much against what many of us see as the whole point of free software. I think this starts us down a very bad slippery slope and one that the FSF is insane to step onto. I, for one, am glad to see Linus avoiding it.
Yes. That's only about 50 degrees warmer than absolute zero. Pretty much *nothing* happens at that temp. Thos who point at glaciers and such on Earth need to keep in mind that there is nothing even approaching that here.
In 2004 they gave it to Theo da Raadt... This is a reward with *no* history of doing what you are saying they are doing. So on what do you base this thought of yours?
My point, and thank you for proving it, would be that when somebody goes a long ways to meet you halfway it is generally bad practice to tell them to go to hell and because they aren't perfect yet that they suck and that it might be more productive to praise them for the progress they have made and then help show them ways to improve.
This all serves to convince me that the FSF doesn't really care about code but is all about a silly political correctness and makes me just that much happier that I left most of that behind with my discovery of the joys of *BSD.
I pay with cash most of the time. I've also never had a cashier insist that I fill out the form on the spot. I just throw it away on the way out and keep the card for about 2 weeks on average or till the first time that I, for whatever reason, make a card purchase with it. Then throw it away and get a new one.
It works the same way any real security policy does, I'd guess.
That's the policy. Then exceptions are written as needed. This is pretty easy as there is a difference between a ftp between two OpenBSD servers and somebody accepting, by default, whatever crap anybody on the net throws at their IM client.
A good security policy is *very* restrictive but has a built in mechanism for exceptions where and when they make sense. Again having a clued up admin or three in the loop is critical.
Not only is Darwin Open Source but it is Free Software as defined by the FSF. Being a BSD guy I don't really care but I know some of you might.
This is the bit that I find amusing. Apple goes out of their way spending not inconsiderable resources working with the FSF to write a license that both meets their needs and is Free. And then rather than singing their praises for coming a long way, putting a lot of effort into it, and showing dramatic improvment they continue to bash on them for being able to link to non-free software. (Irony, much? Given that the entire driver model for the Linux kernel is based on an ugly work around to allow it to use closed drivers while still being "Free") And include some snarky comment about "We must not judge all of a company by just part of what it does." I mean really. This is one of the *very* few major companies going out of their way to release huge chunks of one of their core products (And arguably the one bit that OSS types would be most inerested in) under a free license and you have the nerve to bitch about it "not being enough". Really someone should send those fools a clue.
Along with the many and various techinical reasons this makes me very happy to have left all that behind with my total conversion to OpenBSD and OS X. Granted there are a few GPLed apps that I still use but I'm doing my best to get rid of those.:)
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Mainframes on fire off the shoulder of the hard drive. I watched blinkenlights glitter in the dark near the modem rack. All those... moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to boot."
It's also, and this gets into opnion here, not really competing with Unix. Most of the growth in Linux is against Windows and other OSes. Most Unix installs are, and of course there are exceptions here, running on platforms and/or running apps that are closely tied to the Unix that they are running on and are, by and large, being sold to folks who would never *dream* of replacing those things with Linux. Think in terms of transaction processing for banks and such.
So really it's nothing more or less than the truth. No matter how much some folks want to tell themselves that Linux competes with Unix, at this point, it simply doesn't. This is not to say that it couldn't. But it just ain't there on many fronts. Many if not most of them not techinical really. Although, and this is the snarky bit, as a BSD guy I kind of laugh at Linux anyway. But that's neither here nor there.
Joke picked up in one of my first year Linguistics courses.
There was a kid who worked hard and got a scholarship to Harvard going around campus he stopped an upper classman and asked "Can you tell me where the library is?". The upper classman looked at him "Here at Harvard we don't speak that way. Now if you can phrase your question so that it doesn't end in a participle I'll answer it." The kid thinks for a second "Can you tell me where the library is, asshole?"/me waits to see what the mods do with this.
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What in the fuck would be the justification for said lawsuit?
In the real world the analogy would be someone suing because you lock your doors...
There is no right to talk to my network and I can bloody well block whoever I want anytime I want...
Now, while the above is a bit harshly worded, I would really like to hear how you think there would be any basis for this at all.
As others have said it isn't mandated. I never did, even though I was raised devout Mormon, mostly because I wanted to pack in extra coursework and my parents felt that I read/studied enough on my own that it didn't matter. (Little did they know. But that's another story) I had a good friend who's parents were devout Catholic and, although few people know it, they were able to send her to "release time" at a Catholic class. So yes it's very much a open thing. It was, of course, designed that way so that there could be no real credible challanges to it. But I see this as a good thing.
Outside of Utah local Mormon congregations will often have the same classes in the mornings before school.
Points at the end are free. My iBook came with 10.4.2 it's now at 10.4.5 for *free*. These are nothing more or less than patches/new features. 10.4 came out last April. It looks like 10.5 will ship late this year or early next. So about 18 months till you need to buy a new copy to be at the latest and greatest. That seems like a pretty reasonable release schedule to me. In particular considering that OS X releases tend to bring some real value to the party. But then again I buy OpenBSD CDs every six months and don't really mind paying for my tools. So YMMV but I find it pretty reasonable.
Speaking of radio.
The only radio I have that I ever turn on is in my car. This is mostly to play stuff from my iPod through my RoadTrip. For me this is one of two killer features. The other was that I already had and used iTunes on my iBook so that intergration was nice.
Although I do love that it also "just works" and I can drag a drop tunes into it with my OpenBSD boxes.
Naw. Shooting him in the back of the head is faster and easier.
1. The Airport Express works with iTunes and is *really* fun if you get a group of friends with iBooks and/or Powerbooks in one room. So you don't need to buy any extra software. Not sure if it works with the Windows port because, well, I don't use Windows when I'm not being paid to.
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2. http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20
Wow, everybody in 1955 was on fire. I didn't know that.
5, it was 5 years ago.
Clearly I can't speak for Linus. But I can float a couple of theories based on my own thoughts and the bits of the history that I know. Adn what is /. for if not wild and semi-random speculation on subjects about which we have no first hand knowledge!
IIRC Linus has said that back when he started coding Linux that he was not aware of the *BSD project (Free only at that point I think but am not sure) and that if he had known of it he would have simply used that. Also, and I'm going to just disclaim the rest of this post here and drop it as it is getting old, pretty much the only reason he GPLed it was because that was the only free license he knew of and to thank RMS for GCC. He has also *never* really been political, either way. And has always seemed to make choices based on the quality of code as he sees it (Bitkeeper, as an example but I am *not* making any statements about the quality of said code either way simply that he *thought* it as better and used it in spite of the license).
So having established that Linus seems to be pretty much a political agnostic (As a *BSD guy this is one of the many things I respect about the guy).
The new version of the GPL seems to me to be *very* political. In fact political almost to the point where I'm not sure it can really be called a free software license anymore. I mean *YES* the things it is against are evil evil evil and should be wiped from the face of the Earth. But a "free software" license is IMO, and given the history and what we are seeing now I think one could guess that Linus would agree, NOT the place to fight that battle. Use restrictions are *very* much against what many of us see as the whole point of free software. I think this starts us down a very bad slippery slope and one that the FSF is insane to step onto. I, for one, am glad to see Linus avoiding it.
Yes. That's only about 50 degrees warmer than absolute zero. Pretty much *nothing* happens at that temp. Thos who point at glaciers and such on Earth need to keep in mind that there is nothing even approaching that here.
In 2004 they gave it to Theo da Raadt... This is a reward with *no* history of doing what you are saying they are doing. So on what do you base this thought of yours?
Eviscerate the Proletariat.
The DMCA is evil evil evil. Don't get me wrong there.
But...
Doing this in a "Free Software" license is just fucking stupid. Yet one more reason to use a BSD style license.
Clearly the GPL is becoming a "free if we like what you are doing and you are in step with our agenda" license.
I do OpenBSD to be exact.
My point, and thank you for proving it, would be that when somebody goes a long ways to meet you halfway it is generally bad practice to tell them to go to hell and because they aren't perfect yet that they suck and that it might be more productive to praise them for the progress they have made and then help show them ways to improve.
This all serves to convince me that the FSF doesn't really care about code but is all about a silly political correctness and makes me just that much happier that I left most of that behind with my discovery of the joys of *BSD.
I pay with cash most of the time. I've also never had a cashier insist that I fill out the form on the spot. I just throw it away on the way out and keep the card for about 2 weeks on average or till the first time that I, for whatever reason, make a card purchase with it. Then throw it away and get a new one.
This seems to be a pretty decent tradeoff to me.
It works the same way any real security policy does, I'd guess.
That's the policy. Then exceptions are written as needed. This is pretty easy as there is a difference between a ftp between two OpenBSD servers and somebody accepting, by default, whatever crap anybody on the net throws at their IM client.
A good security policy is *very* restrictive but has a built in mechanism for exceptions where and when they make sense. Again having a clued up admin or three in the loop is critical.
I, and everybody I know, have four. You have more? Freakshow.
Not only is Darwin Open Source but it is Free Software as defined by the FSF. Being a BSD guy I don't really care but I know some of you might.
:)
This is the bit that I find amusing. Apple goes out of their way spending not inconsiderable resources working with the FSF to write a license that both meets their needs and is Free. And then rather than singing their praises for coming a long way, putting a lot of effort into it, and showing dramatic improvment they continue to bash on them for being able to link to non-free software. (Irony, much? Given that the entire driver model for the Linux kernel is based on an ugly work around to allow it to use closed drivers while still being "Free") And include some snarky comment about "We must not judge all of a company by just part of what it does." I mean really. This is one of the *very* few major companies going out of their way to release huge chunks of one of their core products (And arguably the one bit that OSS types would be most inerested in) under a free license and you have the nerve to bitch about it "not being enough". Really someone should send those fools a clue.
Along with the many and various techinical reasons this makes me very happy to have left all that behind with my total conversion to OpenBSD and OS X. Granted there are a few GPLed apps that I still use but I'm doing my best to get rid of those.
It has been done before.
:)
But that would be *wrong*.
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Mainframes on fire off the shoulder of the hard drive. I watched blinkenlights glitter in the dark near the modem rack. All those ... moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to boot."
Curse my weak human memory!!
:)
And damn you you lucky SOB.
I call dibs on Mimi.
Yeah. Fox has a long proud tradition of doing that.
But the first post was a Futurama joke. From "Xmas Story".
In what why is this disingenuous?
Legally Linux is *not* Unix. This is a fact.
It's also, and this gets into opnion here, not really competing with Unix. Most of the growth in Linux is against Windows and other OSes. Most Unix installs are, and of course there are exceptions here, running on platforms and/or running apps that are closely tied to the Unix that they are running on and are, by and large, being sold to folks who would never *dream* of replacing those things with Linux. Think in terms of transaction processing for banks and such.
So really it's nothing more or less than the truth. No matter how much some folks want to tell themselves that Linux competes with Unix, at this point, it simply doesn't. This is not to say that it couldn't. But it just ain't there on many fronts. Many if not most of them not techinical really. Although, and this is the snarky bit, as a BSD guy I kind of laugh at Linux anyway. But that's neither here nor there.
Joke picked up in one of my first year Linguistics courses.
/me waits to see what the mods do with this.
There was a kid who worked hard and got a scholarship to Harvard going around campus he stopped an upper classman and asked "Can you tell me where the library is?". The upper classman looked at him "Here at Harvard we don't speak that way. Now if you can phrase your question so that it doesn't end in a participle I'll answer it." The kid thinks for a second "Can you tell me where the library is, asshole?"