You have misunderstood two of my points. Granted I was a bit vague with both of them.
I tend to build small single purpose cloud facing boxen. I would contend that there is *no* better tool for that job than OpenBSD. I could give a shit about anything SYSV vs. BSD and truth be told people who argue about that fall into the same category people who argue about Ford vs. Chevy, Vi vs Emacs, and Mutt vs. GUI mail clients. All of which I take as sure signs that I'm talking to somneone stupid.
And I for one love Theo. He calls bullshit where he sees it and insists that people bring a certain level of knowledge and effort to the table. Having said that people who bring that level of knowledge and effort to the table tend to get very good support out of him. It is the ones who can't be arsed to ask a smart qustion that get flamed, as they deserve to. That's the "Linux attitude that I'm talking about.
Yeah. That and there is some very well reasoned arguments over on undeadly that Theo was taken out of context. Which given everything else I've ever read from him on the subject makes perfect sense.
Also the person here seems to have left out this link.
Having said that I've been using Debian since 1997 and I'm in the process of switching over to OpenBSD. To a large degree this is because the "secure by default" mindset fits with where I want to be and want I want to do more than any Linux distro can or to be honest should. But to a large degree the attitude on behalf of Linux users is a *big* part of the reason I'm leaving.
It will be interesting to see what Theo has to say about the accuracy of this article. I'd suggest you watch undeadly to see what happens.
You do know that Slack is one of the first distros ever. Now granted in the year of our Lord 2000 and 5 Slack tends to be for people who already run Slack but they do tend to be some of the best and brightest around. This is simply a new arch not a new distro.
And yeah there are a few great ones. Two to be exact Debian and Slack. Almost all of the mediocre ones are built off of Dabian.
No. You're google-fu is weak. Train more young grasshopper.
Seriously since I *really* learned how to used Google I've not had this problem. I know that the Google Hacking for Pen Testers book is touted as a security thing, and it does well there also. But it is also a really good way to improve your google-fu.
I love my OpenBSD desktop. I also love my Debian desktop. Not really sure where the idea that OpenBSD is not good as a desktop came from nor have I ever ran across somebody who could really tell me why they think it would not be a good server for most things.
About the only thing it really sucks at is serving a application stack but with the work started on kernel threads at the last hackathon that should be sorted in the very near future.
So just what is it that makes you think that it is only good for a firewall? Although it does do a kick ass job at that.
Kent: Ladies and gentlemen, er, we've just lost the picture, but, uh, what we've seen speaks for itself. The Corvair spacecraft has been taken over -- "conquered", if you will -- by a master race of giant space ants. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the captive earth men or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain, there is no stopping them; the ants will soon be here. And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.
I did that for about a week on windows at the job I was working back in 1999. It was rather fun to tell the truth and once you learn all keybindings it *is* pretty blazing fast.
In the year 2005. I use Linux/OpenBSD with pretty much the same Openbox configs on all my machines that have GUIs. A typical desktop for me is a Eterm running screen with about 7 windows, a instance of Firefox, and XMMS. I'd say about 90% of my time is spent with screen in that Eterm. For the time that I spend in Firefox maybe half of that is one the keyboard since I tend to tab through a lot of things and know most of the keybindings. For most of the time xmms just runs itself. On my home Debian box I run it with hotkeys and the keys on my evil multimedia keyboard. On my non-evil keyboard enabled box I use a mouse to run xmms this acounts for a few minutes a day.
So I guess I'm already there.
One of the reasons for this is that I'm a network guy. So a *big* part of my day is spent talking to remote boxen over a ssh session. And I just plain have to think less when I only use a keyboard. I'm lazy and hate to think about interfaces so for me the keyboard is almost always the way to go.
Simple but likely painful fact. The BSDs don't really want you. RTFM and it's easy. If you can't be arsed to do that and/or want a livecd please stay away. The people who they want to use and contribute to the projects can and do.
Yes I *am* a elitist asshole and damn proud of it.
Did you read the install docs? Can't speak to back then but now they cover that scanario in *detail*. All you have to do is read and think. Oh wait that'll never be mainstream.
I did it a few weeks ago for the first time. Had to read and think about the docs but there is nothing really hard about it. Of course I more and more think that the ability to read and think is a almost lost art so you must might have a point.
It is going downhill and options is the wrong word but I don't know the right word for stock that is given outright to you. So basically you are given stock as a major part of your compensation plan that is likely to be worth less in 6 months than it is when it is given to you.
Granted I'm not a great investor but that doesn't sound very fun to me.
Unless they have changed dramatically in the last couple of years MS does *not* pay more money. And with their stock not doing so well now those options are not nearly as attractive as they used to be.
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You have misunderstood two of my points. Granted I was a bit vague with both of them.
I tend to build small single purpose cloud facing boxen. I would contend that there is *no* better tool for that job than OpenBSD. I could give a shit about anything SYSV vs. BSD and truth be told people who argue about that fall into the same category people who argue about Ford vs. Chevy, Vi vs Emacs, and Mutt vs. GUI mail clients. All of which I take as sure signs that I'm talking to somneone stupid.
And I for one love Theo. He calls bullshit where he sees it and insists that people bring a certain level of knowledge and effort to the table. Having said that people who bring that level of knowledge and effort to the table tend to get very good support out of him. It is the ones who can't be arsed to ask a smart qustion that get flamed, as they deserve to. That's the "Linux attitude that I'm talking about.
Yeah. That and there is some very well reasoned arguments over on undeadly that Theo was taken out of context. Which given everything else I've ever read from him on the subject makes perfect sense.
Also the person here seems to have left out this link.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2005/0704/071.html
Having said that I've been using Debian since 1997 and I'm in the process of switching over to OpenBSD. To a large degree this is because the "secure by default" mindset fits with where I want to be and want I want to do more than any Linux distro can or to be honest should. But to a large degree the attitude on behalf of Linux users is a *big* part of the reason I'm leaving.
It will be interesting to see what Theo has to say about the accuracy of this article. I'd suggest you watch undeadly to see what happens.
You do know that Slack is one of the first distros ever. Now granted in the year of our Lord 2000 and 5 Slack tends to be for people who already run Slack but they do tend to be some of the best and brightest around. This is simply a new arch not a new distro.
And yeah there are a few great ones. Two to be exact Debian and Slack. Almost all of the mediocre ones are built off of Dabian.
So your point was supposed to be?
And that has just *what* exactly to do with hardware?
No. You're google-fu is weak. Train more young grasshopper.
Seriously since I *really* learned how to used Google I've not had this problem. I know that the Google Hacking for Pen Testers book is touted as a security thing, and it does well there also. But it is also a really good way to improve your google-fu.
I love my OpenBSD desktop. I also love my Debian desktop. Not really sure where the idea that OpenBSD is not good as a desktop came from nor have I ever ran across somebody who could really tell me why they think it would not be a good server for most things.
About the only thing it really sucks at is serving a application stack but with the work started on kernel threads at the last hackathon that should be sorted in the very near future.
So just what is it that makes you think that it is only good for a firewall? Although it does do a kick ass job at that.
God you have to wonder who was voting. :)
Seriously I do think I'm about the only person who doesn't like her but she does *nothing* for me.
Not the first time I disagree with almost everybody.
If you were going to do a nude shower scene why not get somebody who is good looking?
Then you would think that you would know which show which quotes are from. Which you clearly do not.
It's Kent Brockman from Deep Space Homer, poser.
Kent: Ladies and gentlemen, er, we've just lost the picture, but, uh, what we've seen speaks for itself. The Corvair spacecraft has been taken over -- "conquered", if you will -- by a master race of giant space ants. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the captive earth men or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain, there is no stopping them; the ants will soon be here. And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.
I did that for about a week on windows at the job I was working back in 1999. It was rather fun to tell the truth and once you learn all keybindings it *is* pretty blazing fast.
:)
In the year 2005. I use Linux/OpenBSD with pretty much the same Openbox configs on all my machines that have GUIs. A typical desktop for me is a Eterm running screen with about 7 windows, a instance of Firefox, and XMMS. I'd say about 90% of my time is spent with screen in that Eterm. For the time that I spend in Firefox maybe half of that is one the keyboard since I tend to tab through a lot of things and know most of the keybindings. For most of the time xmms just runs itself. On my home Debian box I run it with hotkeys and the keys on my evil multimedia keyboard. On my non-evil keyboard enabled box I use a mouse to run xmms this acounts for a few minutes a day.
So I guess I'm already there.
One of the reasons for this is that I'm a network guy. So a *big* part of my day is spent talking to remote boxen over a ssh session. And I just plain have to think less when I only use a keyboard. I'm lazy and hate to think about interfaces so for me the keyboard is almost always the way to go.
And before anybody asks. Vim.
The major problem is that Unicode simply can not be made secure. So any measure is going to have to be more social than technical.c ode_url_hac_1.html
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/uni
Which is a very cool book.
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/067
Yeah. But people who really use OpenBSD generally know better than to want Apache 2 anway. So it all works out.
I double dog dare you.
Simple but likely painful fact. The BSDs don't really want you. RTFM and it's easy. If you can't be arsed to do that and/or want a livecd please stay away. The people who they want to use and contribute to the projects can and do.
Yes I *am* a elitist asshole and damn proud of it.
Did you read the install docs? Can't speak to back then but now they cover that scanario in *detail*. All you have to do is read and think. Oh wait that'll never be mainstream.
I did it a few weeks ago for the first time. Had to read and think about the docs but there is nothing really hard about it. Of course I more and more think that the ability to read and think is a almost lost art so you must might have a point.
It is going downhill and options is the wrong word but I don't know the right word for stock that is given outright to you. So basically you are given stock as a major part of your compensation plan that is likely to be worth less in 6 months than it is when it is given to you.
Granted I'm not a great investor but that doesn't sound very fun to me.
Unless they have changed dramatically in the last couple of years MS does *not* pay more money. And with their stock not doing so well now those options are not nearly as attractive as they used to be.
Because people had problems in the year 2004? Just a guess, mind you.
Hawk!!!!! /me waits for the mods who don't get the very ontopic joke.
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/13/ 1546247&tid=186&tid=106&tid=137
Yes. But sadly there are those for whom it does do it. God I hate myself for knowing these things.
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Fry: Ooo I have one. I'm good at video games and bad at everything else. That's why I wish life were more like a video game.
Farnsworth: Can you put that in the form of a question?
Fry: Uh, What if that thing I said?
And of course PVP did a thing also. Odd that PA hasn't been heard from.