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Enterprise Finale Airing Tonight
Tycoon Guy writes "Be sure to tune in to UPN tonight, where they're going to show the 'true finale' of Enterprise with the episode Terra Prime, followed by the post-season coda, These Are The Voyages. The latter will feature appearances by Troi, Riker, and a completely CGI Enterprise-D."
I have been a long time devotee of ST:TNG. I, like many others, never got involved with Enterprise. And from what I hear, that's a shame, as by all accounts, the show has really become much better toward the end. I do admit I had very high hopes to begin with, but found it stilted and uninteresting during the first four episodes and gave up. But I know I won't be alone watching the finale just to get a glimpse of "new" ST:TNG cast action and the familiar Enterprise-D, no matter how brief.
This will be the first time in almost two decades that a first-run Star Trek hasn't been on TV...the end of an era. Here's hoping that the Star Trek franchise can be revived at some point, even better.
Goodbye Enterprise... We'll miss you...
Poor Scott Bakula. He was so brilliant on Quantum Leap, but Enterprise just sort of floundered in the shadow of its predecessors.
"Meanwhile, far in the future, Troi suggests that Riker use a Holodeck recreation of this moment in 'Star Trek' history to search for some command insights."
Who's the creative genium behind that one?
Since it appears that this will be the episode where we find out that "Enterprise" is actually a holo-recreation, it would be nice to have Lt. Barclay in there also since he was always doing fun holodeck stuff.
It's a shame that Archer, Trip, T'Pol...are actually all holo-characters just like Moriarty
and watch Enterprise for the first time.
At least this show will get a proper ending and avoid the Farscape treatment.
Fun while it lasted. Now let's go remember the better days of the franchise. So anyone up for taking down some more old enterprises (pun 100% intended) that have gone on for far too long as well? The prequels to Star Wars should never have been.
HAH! I just wasted a second of your life making you read this, but I wasted a minute of mine thinking it up. DAMN.
I was wondering why all of our evening shift IT guys called in sick.
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Finally.....it's all over. go to hell Scott Bakula http://www.unification-online.org/sf/IMG/jpg/bakul a_site_1.jpg
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Sadly enough, I've gotten into loud arguments about whether Picard or Kirk was the better captain. It's a symptom of my horrible geekdom. For those of you wondering, by the way, it's Picard.
Mentally, I never made it past the first episode. The Klingon in the cornfield was a touch much to stomache, and then when the electronics in Enterprise looked more sophisticated than in the Original Series, I just couldn't do it. I think trying to make a prequel to the Original Series, but having it tie into the later series whilst bypassing the Original, was a fundamental flaw. I really hope they don't try another Trek series until they have someone at the helm who truly understands what makes Trek great (hint: it ain't the technobabble).
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The show, sucked. It wasn't science, it was fantasy with a large dose of PC thrown in. If they got some good science fiction writers and actually did -science- right, maybe all of the TNG series would have been worth watching, but I was disappointed by ever one.
...finding a date for Friday nights...buhahahahahaha, like that'll ever happen...
Why do they have to cancel a fantastic show like this when there is so much drivel on television. This show was refreshing in its character depth and unique take on human colonization of space. I really enjoyed the sneak preview of the upcoming movie.
Huh? Enterprise? Meh. I thought we were talking about Firefly. HEY! Maybe the last episode will be a daring holodeck thriller featuring 19th century villians! I hope Whoopie has a guest appearance.
You must be joking.
It was Sisko by a long shot. He wasn't afraid to disipline people that needed it.
Truthfully, they killed the show - almost. Let it die in peace
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Sam leaps into the Enterprise D as Commander Riker and must save the relationship between him and Troi
:)
Oh wait..that was the good show with Scott Bakula
You can learn a lot about a show by looking at it's time slot.
This show is on Friday nights.
That pretty much sums it up.
Deana must be gettin on a bit now. I'd rather see a CGI version of her with digitally enhanced breasts than the old one complete with Botox!!!
At the end of the episode, after he has resolved the problems facing "Enterprise", he will warp through time and space and reappear as George in Seinfeld and attempt to get the series started again. [Obligatory]
Hey, can someone tape that for me here in France? We haven't even seen the first of the "New" Gerneration series yet...
(cough) er, I think season #2 is on a cable station somewhere... it soitenly never made it to the main airwaves. Vive... euh...
Vive "Le Balade des Etoiles" !
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Without a doubt. I may be too young (35) to appreciate Kirk, but IMO he's almost too sad for words as an actor IMO. I can't hardly stomach even commercials with him in them. In fact, I think the only thing I've watched in recent years including him was Miss Congeniality, and that's because Sandra Bullock was looking hot in it. ;)
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We'll probably have to wait a while. Personally, I don't want to see more Star Trek until they get Tweedledee and Tweedledum out of the producers' chairs. They stood on the shoulders of a giant and made a mess of his vision. Perhaps bring in some of the authors of Star Trek novels? Several of those books are pretty good reads... As for a time period, I'm thinking maybe post-Voyager (but not too long after).
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For real action, my choice of Sci-Fi is Stargate SG-1. With the exception of Season 7, it doesn't suffer from that "let's sit in a room and push buttons" syndrome that Star Trek has had problems with since the original movies. If I want to watch people explore then I really want to see them leave the room, and SG-1 is always shooting outdoors. (It's really funny how all the planets that they visit seem to look a lot like the Vancouver, B.C. area though.)
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Yeah, but what other starship captain could pull off a flawless performance of King Lear. Jean-Luc Picard is so classy he makes King Louis look like Jim Bob the cable repair guy.
I see where you're coming from. But still, to make the set of Enterprise look less sophisticated than the Original Series would require them drawing on the walls with crayons or perhaps using vacuum tubes.
It should be pretty interesting. It's supposed to be the birth of the Federation.
I don't know if anyone caught the Alternate universe one, but it was pretty good. Follows the crew of the Enterprise from the Mirror Mirror universe and the Terran Empire.
The first scene is from Generations (the movie) the vulcans land and Zephrem walks up to them, the vulcan gives the "live long and prosper" line. Z tries to do the gesture and can't but instead of extending a handshake, he pulls out a shotgun and blows him away.
According to Google, 15% of recent Slashdot stories have been about this eighth-rate television show. It's really pathetic.
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Sisko was cooler than either of them, but he not a starship captain. He was a base commander.
Between Kirk and Picard: Kirk, obviously.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
And your response was just as big a contribution to the conversation. Is being a hypocritical dumbass some sort of sick compulsion on /. or is it just you?
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For 60s B sci-fi, he was probably a god. Nowadays, he's only popular because he's so awful. If it's Shatner, it's automatically funny.
Anyone ever heard Spaced Out? Funnier than Has Been, even.
In the blurb about "These Are The Voyages" on Trek Nation, Brannon Braga says:
"Some of the Enterprise cast members were very hurt that we would put Next Generation cast members on Enterprise."
They should have been more hurt that Braga and Company gave them such drek to perform in.
Maybe the next series or movie will be something actually *good*, instead of what ever rejected story line Paramount happened to have laying around the day someone said "Let's make a new Trek series!!!"
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For those in New England, it will actually be airing in Saturday at 8pm instead of Friday since it's been replaced by baseball. What iritates me the most is that no mention of this is made on the UPN site - I simply stumbled upon it a couple of weeks ago.
While I'll agree that the writing could have been better for most episodes, the shifting program times of this and other shows without mention is what drives me to stop watching the shows I like. The fastest way to kill viewership (besides bad content) is unannounced show shedule changes. And, "we told TV Guide" excuses don't cut it.
I'm looking forward to these final episodes. While Enterprise has been a far cry from the quality of Battlestar Galactica, this last season has been better.
what most Sci-Fi still hasn't. That is that writing and telling a good story is still the most important element. They've gotten it right this season, but it was too late to save it.
Given the setting of this series, the logical place to start in the story was getting Earth established in the space of the era, meeting other species, forging alliances, making enemies, forming the beginnings of the Federation, etc. This is exactly what they've done this season and it's been brilliant. Had they started this way, the show would still be on the air.
But no, for the first two seasons we had Andy Griffith in space (yes it really was THAT boring), and then they had to trot out such over the top monstrosities as a war through time and huge insect aliens that wanted to annihilate earth. It didn't help that they broke continuity a lot with the other series (introducing the Borg, etc.). This is not the Trek that the fans came for and many of them left, never to return. Unfortunate but it reinforces one of the basic requirements of any fictional narrative that many people still don't grasp. If the story isn't compelling it won't be a success. Given the past success of Trek, you can't just slap the name on any piece of work and expect that alone to carry you.
Where it'll be preempted for basketball.
DOH! I spoke too soon - it'll be delayed two hours and aired at 9PM.
Wow, the season finale must be _important_ - usually they just go with Malcolm
at its usual 9PM and delay Enterprise until 2AM Saturday!
You never can tell when or if Enterprise will be on. No wonder it got poor ratings - we can't find it even if we try.
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Tonight is not a problem.
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I really hope they don't try another Trek series until they have someone at the helm who truly understands what makes Trek great
This last season has been very good. Manny Coto has been running it, not the Killer-B's. He has shown that he cares about original Trek. We've dealt with the nasty attitude of the Vulcans, the Klingon ridges, the initial steps of starting the Federation, dealing with Tellarite/Andorian/Vulcan hostility. Plus, of course, the killer "entire episode, including opening credits, is Mirror Universe" two-parter.
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Actually, it seems to do just the oppisite and automatically impart the lack of artistic quality.
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Well, not this one. I'm terribly disappointed that Enterprise is ending tonight. The last two seasons were great, and the first two were better than any other Trek series' first two seasons, except for TOS. The last few episodes have been quite enjoyable, especially the 'Mirror Universe' eps. Mmmm...Empress Sato. At least Paramount did the right thing by releasing the DVDs sooner rather than later.
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Well to be fair, they faced a tough choice: Making the controls look less "sophisticated" than the one in the original series would mean making them look outdated by what we have in reality right now. If the bridge of the Enterprise looked like the set of the 1930s Frankenstein, nobody would be able to swallow it.
A better way to go would be to simply make the Enterprise in prequel look relatively cool, and explain the NCC-1701 from TOS by claiming that there was a "retro" fad in starship design at the time it was built.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
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Yeah, it reads, "Up yours."
But he DID hold a Captain's rank.
Picard: Accomplished Shakesprean Actor
Sisko: Threatened, or performed, violent action on omnipotent superdimensional beings regularly.
Winner: Sisko, because he clangs when he walks.
Can pull off playing King Lear, sure, but for some reason most of his post-Trek career consists of playing gay men in art-house movies.
Picard negotiated with female aliens. Kirk either killed them or banged them (or both).
Advantage: Kirk.
By the end of DS9, Sisko did achieve the rank of Captain, so I think that qualifies him for consideration. Besides, he did something Jean-Luc never did: he punched Q and put him on the ground. Picard did yell at Q, maybe he even grabbed him by the uniform and pushed him against a bulkhead (I don't remember) but he never actually struck Q.
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I must say, since the first mission at Farpoint station (TNG) to this upcoming final episode, it has been a great run for the franchise. It will be missed.
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Oh well... what do you think is going to happen to Boomer now that she popped some caps in Cmdr. Adama?!?! :-)
So you should see two entries for Friday night - the first is the final episode. The second is the wrapup.
The wrapup isn't showing on Saturday.
Good luck!
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I agree that Picard was a better captain than Kirk, but there is a lot about star trek that bugged me, not the least of which was that Capt. Jelicho and Cmdr. Data were better captains than either of them. (Riker complained to Jelicho he was being too hard on the crew. HELLO! You were at war, Riker! It's not Jelicho's fault Picard never ran battle readiness drills.) Data was the victim of starfleet's basic pro-human bias. (Ever wonder why starfleet was topheavy with humans instead of the much longer lived vulcans?) It really galled me when Troi was promoted over Data. I wasn't even aware that she was an officer, I thought she was a civilian contractor (but she donned a uniform in later shows).
And another thing, Troi sure was hot, but God, I hated the way she abused Worf. "A Klingon does NOT [do X]!" "Well, I'm not a Klingon, but I know I would feel [feeling Y] if I were confronted with [situation Z] [and I think you damn well better change your behavior and act more like me by doing X even though I'm not a Klingon, or I will make a recommendation to Capt. Picard to include this "deficiency" in your officer's fitness report]." Which invariably concludes with Worf changing his behaviour to be more like a human-betazoid hybrid than the Klingon he is.
Sorry about that. Thanks for letting me vent my hyper-critical warp core.
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OTOH, it was surprising to see him in the original, "Judgement at Nuremberg."
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
I did see a few episodes involving a terrorist attack on Vulcan, and I liked what I saw. However, it wasn't compelling enough to pick it up and try to get into it. I liked the scene where they were playing basketball on the ship, it really connected "us" with "them".
I might check out the coda.
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More important is who was the hottest eye candy female (of whatever species) crewmember?
but hes not a starship captain.
Except when hes on the Defiant....
Of course the Defiant was just an attempt to keep up with Babylon 5 and their White Stars.
Of course in the same vien Captain Sheridan blows ANY Star Trek captain out of the water.
Although Enterprise has been a downright awesome show this last season, even ressurecting some of the philosophical and mysterious tendancies that made TNG so great and bringing in some elements linking with the original Trek (and not just those Orion slave girls ;) ), we will certainly be dissapointed with "These are the voyages" for the obvious reasons...
:)
However, season 4 proved a fantastic point for a lot of Trekkies out there; that with enough good, fresh writers a show can improve again. As soon as Berman and Braga were hastily ushered out (after THREE seasons of the most gut-wrenching awful Trek we fans have ever been subjected to) the show became a heck of a lot better.
Since Star Trek has a timeless nature and a huge fanbase we can always count on new, fresh and innovative fans coming forward as writers with some brilliant material...and who knows? In a few years we might have another TNG that even the most cynical fans can enjoy...if not, well theres always re-runs.
Kind of like seeing the "progress" between Asimov's original Foundation Trilogy and the 500-years-later new Foundation novels mirror the 40-50 years progress in our world between the writing.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
BTW, the Cannes festival just kicked off this week: Any chance of my catching it there? : )
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But he DID hold a Captain's rank.
Eventually. He was not a captain when the series started, and was never given command of a full-size starship.
Kirk made it as high as admiral.
Damn, I'm such a nerd...
Professor X is gay. I guess that explains alot.
I'm with you on that one. Back when I was a young infantry officer in the Army, the three other lieutenants in my company and I used to get together at our CO's house to watch the latest Next Generation episode.
We would get into blistering arguments about the leadership styles of Picard and Kirk. Two of the guys came down in favor of Kirk, and three of us (including our boss, the CO), though Picard was a better leader. We actually had extensive discussions about it, comparing their actions on various episodes to examples from the Army's leadership manuals, books we'd read about leadership, and our own real-world examples.
A few months after these regular Trek sessions started, we were deployed to a rather remote part of Somalia. The CO asked his wife to record and send episodes, even though being a light infantry company we deployed with no real luxury items. Sure enough, several weeks after arriving in Somalia, we received a tape with two episodes. By then a heavy engineer unit had colocated with us, and we were able to phinagle a couple of hours on their TV late one night between patrols.
Strange though it may sound, that night spent watching Trek with a generator humming loudly outside in the hot Somali air was one of the best cinematic experiences of my life.
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So they could only afford Troi and Riker then. Better luck next time. Maybe the Nazis or will make an appearence.
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Advantage Picard.
The Defiant was Warf's ship. Sisko took control a few times, but his command was the DS9 base (which the Defiant was assigned to), not the Defiant itself, which was not even a full-size starship of the Enterprise's class.
IIRC, Warf was the offical commander of the Defiant.
I hope they don't use the poor ratings of this show as an excuse not to do anymore Star Trek series. The name still has selling power, at least enough to get people to give a new show a try. But they should have learned from DS9 and Voyager that while the name can get people to watch a couple episodes, writing is what really keeps them watching week after week. If they need a more recent example of that they should look at Battlestar Galactica.
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Replace "Klingon" with "man", and "human-betazoid hybrid" with "woman" in the above statement, and you've got a stereotypical heterosexual relationship.
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Advantage Kirk.
True, but rank isn't everything.
"I may hold the rank of Captain, but I ne'er wanted ta be anything but an engineer"
Nooo....
BTefnet appears to have broken. Now how am I going to watch it tomorrow morning?
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Lets make yet another Star Trek series, The Next Universe.
Hey its a new universe, that means at least 20-30 more years of new episodes, right?
You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!
You're all wrong.
The best captain, hands down, was Captain Pike .
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Hey, can someone tape that for me here in France? We haven't even seen the first of the "New" Gerneration series yet...
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You're welcome. Every ST series, every year, every episode is out there.
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I'm of the opinion that one team can't sustain the level of creativity that fans expect for more than a decade. I think the good folks at Stargate are going to the facing this Real Soon Now.
BBC shelved Doctor Who for a few years, assembeled a fresh team with new ideas of what the programme should be and they've got a show that by all accounts is a hit. Sure there are critics who deride the show or certian aspects of it, but on the whole, it's a hit.
Paramount should learn that lesson. Let Trek rest for a while. Diversify the old Trek production team into other projects. Then, after a few years, create a fresh team with all new people and lookout!
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As groundbreaking as the original series was, it was still based on '60s concepts of how the future would look. Even the later series, which did a great job trying to keep continuity with the original, had a few huge problems to overcome. One of the best episodes ever, DS9's reprise of "Trouble With Tribbles" had to contend with the fact that the original Klingons looked more like Ming the Merciless than they looked like "modern Klingons" with the riged forehead and larger muscles. There was no way to reconcile that, so they just had Warf say "We Klingons do not talk about it." How could Enterprise possibly make technology that looked more advanced than ours, but less advanced than the original? (Maybe they could have it look like current military technology, which already looks pretty high tech--HUD's and virtual controls on a multifunction touch screen--you know, like they used in later star treks, but more "today looking" so it naturally looks less advanced.)
btw, I never watched Enterprise, I was already tired of the Star Trek universe by then (a few episodes of STV did that for me) but I hear that some of the actresses were pretty hot.
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No rank isn't everything. Sisko is also a god.
I gave up on it.
I was pulled back by what people were saying about the Mirror Universe episodes so I watched those but after Enterprise started heading off into an unknown part of space I turned it off.
Did they actually have old Voyager scripts on the shelf that they had paid for before and wanted to use?
Anyways, I'll watch the last episode just to see how it ends as most people will but too bad they ruined a series with some promise.
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The parents post looked like an attempt to put his own words to the Enterprise theme song...
I've been a long time
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devotee of ST:TNG.
I, like many others,
ne'er got involved with Enterprise.
And from what I hear, that's a shame,
as by all accounts
I've got faith!
OK, so it wasn't that funny.
I choose to remain celibate, like my father and his father before him.
More important is who was the hottest eye candy female (of whatever species) crewmember?
Yeoman Rand for t3h win!!!1!
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
You're kidding, right? That's a serious no-brainer.
7 of 9. As if there's anyone else that even comes close.
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Replace "Klingon" with "man", and "human-betazoid hybrid" with "woman" in the above statement, and you've got a stereotypical heterosexual relationship.
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Do you bitch about how unrealistic the sets are when you go see a play? Special-effects addled Americans think everything has to be hyperreallistic or its crap. All the sets need to do is give the viewer's imagination a prod in the right direction.
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From the get-go, UPN basically doomed Enterprise by running mid-season re-runs. That caused viewers to switch to other channels in the same time-slot. The veiwer gets involved in another TV show and never comes back. I can't think of a better way to deliberately sabotage your own ratings.
As far as being preempted by sports, they have been doing similar stuff in the Wash DC area with our new baseball team pushing Enterprise to saturday (although thankfully my TV guide says this episode really will air tonight)
When I can watch the reruns on sci fi at 2 in the afternoon :)
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...and hey, who can forget him *cough* singing "Rocketman".
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The killenterprise.com efforts appear to have proven successful. They've been at the vanguard of a campaign to first encourage the cancellation of the show and then with a massive campaign to thank UPN/paramount for actually cancelling the show.
Thank you KillEnterprise.com - Mission Accomplished.
which was not even a full-size starship of the Enterprise's class.
No, but they hacked the ship to give it extra capabilities, like a cloaking device.
And it was small & cute, like the Whitestar ships.
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Of course, I think the best thing Shatner ever did was a "book-on-tape" of the first chapter of Foundation and a somewhat obscure (to me at least) but nonetheless wonderful short story called "Mimsy Were the Borogoves".
Nah, Patrick Stewart is definitely a much better actor with the guy who plays Sisco (can't remember his name, my geek card will now be temporarily suspended) at a good second place. Shatner only lives off of poking fun at his own campy style.
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It only counts as sex if someone else is participating. Otherwise, it's just masturbation, and frankly, we don't want to hear about your preparation. Yuck.
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T. J. Hooker is a minus, not a plus. Have you watched that crap?
IIRC, Sisko was captian of the Defiant, but I don't know if she qualified as a true starship. I always thought of Defiant as being Star Fleet's version of a PT boat -- small, heavily armed, and not really suitable for extended deployment.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
They can announce during commercial breaks they will show the trailer from SW:RotS.
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I guess for Berman, Enterprise was his "baby". And what a terrible, terrible, ugly monster it was in the beginning. He was slowly moving away from Star Trek into "Star Trek, the Berman Way". DS9, was lukewarm until Piller got hold of it, and Berman turned his attention to Voyager. And Voyager has some REALLY terrible episodes that fuck with the canon. Remember "Transwarp"? OMG LOL!11!! Warp 10 si teh rox0rz!11!! I mean... WHAT THE FUCK?!
/rant off.
Things wrong with Enterprise:
a) Theme song. Ok, I know some of you like it. But the VERY first time I saw it, my initial gut reaction was "eww... why not an instrumental theme like the other Trek series"?
b) Deliberate pandering to the young "omg i wanna screw teh hot chick in star trek lolololol" demographic. Jolene Blalock was used as a vulcan sex symbol instead of just a vulcan. Hell, if they were doing that, they could have shown more of Hoshi too... I thought she was way more sexy (as was evident in the mirror universe episodes). But anyway, this was stupid.
c) Cheesy, stupid jokes and terrible lines. I remember one episode (can't remember) where Archer is so tired that he says something about T'Pol's "boobs". Yeah that's right... "hahahaha he said boobs! hahahahaha!". PLEASE GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!
d) Temporal cold war. 'Nuff said.
e) The show turned into an action series. That's it. Trek was never meant to be JUST an action series. I mean, hell. I love the cool space ship battle scene as much as the next fan, but come on... just action? And then there's the moral clichees. That was tried in TOS, perfected in TNG (and then it got old). There were still things they could do in Enterprise as far as moral stuff goes. They did that in certain areas (like a nascent form of the Prime directive).
Things right with enterprise:
a) Almost anything post Manny Coto.
The show had a LOT of potential. Instead of concentrating on a stupid arc like the Temporal Cold war, the entire series, or at least, most of it should have been about the formation of the federation. Seasons 3 and 4, IMHO were really good. I got turned off after the first few episodes, and I only watched seasons 1 and 2 after I saw a few episodes of season 3. Season 1 should have shown some normal episodes with the crew exploring the galaxy, season 2 should have been the Xindi attack and humanity realizing "you know what, the galaxy is a fucking terrible place! We need strength in numbers!" and season 3 starting an arc about the formation of the federation.
I am sad to see Enterprise go in a way, because I kinda got into it during Season 3. Season 4 seems so hurried and I can see how much potential it has - especially with Coto at the helm.
We need to get Dumb and Dumber out of the captain's chair. They only ruin Trek.
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because season 4 has been a vast improvement over prior seasons and it seems as though the show is finally hitting it's stride. Trust me, I've suffered through seasons 1-2 and tolerated season 3. A new show runner (in Manny Coto) who cares about trek, has done wonders this season.
Sisko was a commander, not a captain for the majority of Deep Space Nine, in the view of us Trek fanatics, he doesn't qualify! :)
I prefer to call her "10 of 10".
...thank you. Never thought to look for it until I hard it was over...
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And I would agree with you- but only to a certain extent. Props and sets also need to be internally consistent with themselves. They can be whatever you want them to be, but once your decision is made, you need to stick with it. If you have an already established environment, which the Trek universe surely is, than the various pieces of that universe should be internally consistant with each other. When they are not- then there's a problem.
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
I always looked at it thusly, to say who was the better captain goes like this - "If I had to choose which captain? If I was serving on the ship - I'll take Picard, if I had a choice which captain I'd be? Kirk - all the way...."
As for the series final of "enterpoop"?
Waiter? I'll take a pitcher of Pan galactic gargle blasters and a funnel..
and make that two lemons on the brick please...
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
I'm in Europe, you insensitive clod!
(Oh well, I wouldn't watch the damn thing anyways...)
Noise Is Music Podcast.
...haha "heard"
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all they ever show was the decontam shower scene on endless loop....
Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
It..was..Kahn, damnit.
"How like you to drag your keyboard to a gun fight." - Aaron Bedard (BANE)
T'Pau. Jeri Ryan is made of plastic. Jolene Blalock might not be.
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38 of D works best for me.
> Be sure to tune in to UPN tonight
as usual, no mirrors mentioned. tsk tsk tsk
The show Lost maybe? The best damn show evah, one that blows enterprise out of the water and makes it scream "You sunk my battleship!"
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IMHO Terry Ferrel is way hotter than Jeri Ryan. But then, I prefer exotic natural beauties over silicone-enhanced bleach-blonde barbie dolls.
Besides, Jeri Ryan is a prude.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
So, instead of mucking about with timelines and throwing around pseudoscientifically sounding technobabble, why not mack a show based upon our reality now. There are numerous ways of doing this, many of which would be far more promising than a prequel. The electronics being better, therefore, weren't the problem so much as a symptom.
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
Not that it really matter, but its T'Pal not T'Pau. And yeah, shes definatly the best looking eye candy ive seen in the startrek franchise.
(where everyone wears a tuque eh?) CITY-57 is showing Terra Prime at 8pm, the holowrap at 9pm, and the Borg episode at 10pm.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
Curious bystanders might consider purchasing the newly released DVD of the 1965 film "Incubus," not only starring Shatner but featuring Esparanto dialogue--Shatner's work with Ernest Borgnine in "The Devils Rain" (1975) covers satanic shenanigans in tumbleweed country and has been shown in TV--the earlier film is more obscure: "Shot in black and white around Big Sur, California, the story is about a nobleman who becomes enticed by a Succubus and lured towards evil only to later incur the wrath of the male Incubus when he fails to give his soul to the lost dark side." (http://www.kaos2000.net/archives/film/incubus/)
So which ones did do porn?
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Captain Sheridan is indeed still the supreme commander to me. Politics, diplomacy, internal strife, war design, battle strategy, and in-the-heat-of-the-moment battle tactics. He could do it all. Man, I have to get Babylon 5 on DVD.
Ranking the captains by their displayed ability:
Sheridan > Sisko > Sinclair > Picard > Kirk
"Sing" is the wrong term. It was more of a bad rap.
Sisko was played by Avery Brooks.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Yeah, I agree, but just to point out, I'm not voting with my brain :)
yeah, T'Pau is some one-hit wonder from the 80's, my bad.
That V-GER herald chick from TMP was pretty hot too, at least from the hairline down.
That's for sure. Picard was a geriatric weener.
Kirk is J.T. Fucking Kirk. Unless you're a homo or a retard there's no way you could think Picard's better.
They could have gone with a cramped submarine type look. Tight corridors with pipes and valves and such, tiny bunks, etc.
If, by "stereotypical", you mean "dead-on 100% absolutely accurate".
Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.
I gotta admit, Jadzia is pretty hot... and that lesbian kiss thing she did on DS9 with her "former wife" (well, the wife of one of her symbiants former hosts) was uhm... yeah. Whew. Anyway.
Maybe I mispoke about 7 of 9. But then again, maybe Jadzia and 7 of 9, together on the observation deck with a tub of crisco, some jumper cables and the mandatory hot grits... ok, back to work, geez, not gonna get anything done today.
-- Gary F.
DS9 was tolerable, mainly because the characters were sufficiently interesting that they could cover up for some of the flaws creeping into Trek. Voyager and Enterprise had all that was bad about DS9, and none of the Roddenberry idealism that had made TOS and TNG, even during the weaker moments. Worse, the characters were just plain unappealing and uninspired. They were both trainwrecks, but the whole franchise might have been saved if they had decided to put things on hiatus after the dismal final episode of Voyager. Instead the soldiered on and found a means, even with a not-too-bad idea, to utterly wipe Trek out. They through any notion of canonicity out the window, such as making Vulcans virtually unrecognizable. Now the future of the whole franchise is in serious doubt.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
"what most Sci-Fi still hasn't. That is that writing and telling a good story is still the most important element. They've gotten it right this season, but it was too late to save it."
Good SciFi costs to live up to the grandiosity in our heads. Epic space battle? Costs. Scenic planets with complete and consistent cultures? Costs. Uniquelly alien species? Costs. Yes we know about B5. That cost too. Are potential audiances willing to take the same risks as studios to bankroll something that only shows up on a teaser reel?
AFIK, the only Star Trek actress who actually did full-on porn was Angelique Pettyjohn, who played Shahna in the TOS episode The Gamesters of Triskelion. She did several adult films under the names Angel St. John and Heaven St. John.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
Do you bitch about how unrealistic the sets are when you go see a play? Special-effects addled Americans think everything has to be hyperreallistic or its crap.
Not all of us. I for one think rolling rubbish bins are SCARY.
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
You'vd got to be kidding. Jadzia Dax has it all over 7 of 9.
That's a man, baby!
The Borg meant to augment her with silicon but accidentally used silicone.
Shame! Feeel ashamed! all of you! shaaaame, I hope these actresses never read of your cold heartless disprespectful opinions...
:-P
besides it's quite obviously Major Kira Nerys. Fools.
Here's what I didn't like about it: There's all this really amazing stuff going on at Earth. Humans have just learned they're not alone. They've just received technology that basically makes economics impotent, as well as technology that allows them to spread throughout the galaxy.
What do they do? Go far, far away from Earth! Nobody cares about politics or other stuff. There's a species with three genders we've never heard of! There's a temporal cold war! How about making contact with the Romulans? Nobody wants to watch things about how people deal with life-changing events.
The last season has really picked up. The idea of Terra Prime is excellent. If they had run with this idea from the beginning, maybe they'd have a seven year run like TNG.
Obligatory: Berman and Braga killed it.
You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
You're right, my logic got lost in my rambling,.. there is no way to reconcile the technology discontinuity. So they should have just plain ignored it, and concentrate on storyline/universe continuity, like the Tribble show. And you are also right, IMO, that they should just not have made the show--I never watched it because the star trek franchise had been driven into the ground by then. There are a whole bunch of other sci fi shows that outshine startrek--farscape, stargate, battlestar galactica, firefly--great stuff can be done with a good idea, good characters and good scripts. It is just laziness to take a good name and try to achieve maximum exploitation with minimum effort.
More music, fewer hits
Another option would be to steal a reason from BSG: highly computerized ships were vulnerable to viruses or other attacks, so during TOS they had gone with gauges and dials for a while. In Enterprise they just hadn't been attacked electronically yet.
Lasers Controlled Games!
T'Pau. Jeri Ryan is made of plastic. Jolene Blalock might not be.
Ah! Zat charming T'Pau! She weell be like china in my hands...
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Well, depending on your interpretations I can see your point. I'm a die-hard ST fan as well.
One thing we can agree on is that Janeway was a bitch.
Hey, take it easy pal. I'm not the one who had a problem with the way the sets looked on Enterprise.
(I thought the show itself was about as dull as a radio broadcast of a golf tournament, but that's another story.)
For the record, my favorite TV sci-fi ever was Doctor Who... so you can hardly accuse me of being a "Special-effects addled American."
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
May I say just one thing.. 'Who Cares!' There are TV series such as Eastenders, Neighbours and loads of other bad sitcoms all over the world, the only thing that makes Star Trek different is that they have a slightly bigger budget and aim at a more nerdy audience. Please, lets keep trash off the TV, and I hope this is the end of that whole damn Trek fiasco.
Brzt. Does Not Compute.
Andy Griffith's like a lot of other classic TV -- if you watch it now next to the latest crop of new sitcoms, you realize how well-written the thing was. Each episode's basically a little one-act play, and it's pretty tight writing. It's basically superior to Enterprise in the traits you're talking about, despite no story arc from episode to episode. That would explain why people still remember favorite episodes of Andy Griffith decades after its run ended, whereas Enterprise is dying of neglect despite a colossal built-in audience.
TV used to do so much better with character actors than it does now. The Mary Tyler Moore show wasn't episode after episode of "Mary goes on another date," you know? (Ted, Murray, Lou Grant, Sue Ellen, Rhoda, Phyllis, Georgette.)Heck, "Leave It to Beaver" looks like a friggin' Pulitzer Prize-winning play next to Voyager or Enterprise, and the cast of regulars was more interesting, despite them all being whitebread suburbanites.
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
...did rap even exist then? Maybe he invented it.
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Better still;
"She wants to sleep with... common people ... ... ... common people... like... me..."
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Shameless plug. Like you weren't expecting it.
farscape, stargate, battlestar galactica, firefly
I don't know how I left bab-5 off that list...
I'm just one guy, ogling tatas and replying to his own posts. (I'm not sure, but I think that is poor etiqutte-- the self replies, I mean--so I'm making it anon to kind of mitigate that)
Star Wars sucks!
Yeah, I'll throw in my vote on Sheridan too. B5 has never been beat.
Does it matter how badly These Are The Voyages is written?
You know you are going to cry at some point in the episode.
Just like All Good Things...
kulakovich
...and you thought this was a troll...
For the past I dunno, 4 weeks it's been replaced with some sort of game in which players hit a ball will a stick. I have to download it in order to see it
Yeah, but she was hot....
Why are you all looking at me like that?
This is going to be an obscenely geeky nitpicking point, but...
Wasn't the Enterprise-D (and E) destroyed in a movie?
LOL; thanks for that :-) I was wondering if someone was going to mention Jelicho. He was bad-ass.
Kira Nerys is indeed hot .. she'd probably be my first pick, just over Jennifer Lien. (Not all the women on ST:V were bitches.)
It's not a lie. It's the truth with lossy compression.
Heck, forget the decorated rolling rubbish bins, try the undecorated ones!
(Referring to the trascan that gulped down Rose's boyfriend...)
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
Actually I was quite suprised that shatner was featured in 4 of the episodes of the Twilight Zone. Was falling asleep one night while the twilight zone was on,and i heard his voice, and i got up frantically and looked at the screen and said "KIRK!?"
What's even worse is that it only took an implied few weeks of "bridge officer training" for Troi to get her Commander's pip. Star Trek obviously never had the benefit of military advisors.
"There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge." - Bertrand Russell.
Damn....who was that alcoholic captain in TOS? The episode that had the planet eating giant cigar. He was cool.
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The 23rd century ships were actually sleeker and more high-tech, with more tactile gems instead of flat-panel displays. They employed three senses: visual, aural, and tactile, instead of two: visual and aural. The extra tactile dimension made them easier to use and a superior interface, particularly when dealing with many different species that might have different levels of one of these three senses (they have the other 2 to fall back on).
The ships were brighter, too, which I think you really need in deep space (Enterprise D was good for this too, though). Bright colors and brightly lit hallways will lift spirits. I can't defend the tricorders (those just looked bad), but as far as the bridge goes, in a way, I like 23rd century design over 24th/22nd. Sure, the special fx weren't the same, but consider the usability.
Ol "let's have a staff meeting" Picard a better leader than Kirk, the man of action?
:P
Pish tosh!
That's what I'd expect from somebody who thinks a hole in the ground is a good place to be.
Those of us in the Armoured Corps know better. You guys sit in your holes and have a touchy-feely staff meeting. We'll take Kirk and go on ahead.
DG
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As long as you provide a link its all good;-)
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
queue the whip-crack sounds :-D
More music, fewer hits
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
I wouldn't want to serve under him. I'd rather serve under a captain that would attempt a peaceful negotiation than some hot-head that pisses off a god and gets us all killed.
Picard=Clinton
Sisko=Bush
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The original question is who was the better captain of the Enterprise, but was expanded to include all Star Fleet captains, every one seems to forget or over look the other notable captains: ;) )
of the Enterprise(s):
Jonathan Archer (NX-01)
Robert April (1701)
Christopher Pike (1701)
Montgomery Scott (held rank of captain but served as engineer on 1701-A)
Willard Decker (1701-A)
Spock son of Sarek (1701)
John Harriman (1701-B)
Rachel Garret (1701-C)
Richard Costello (acting captain of the 1701-C after the death of Capt. Garret)
William T. Riker (1701-D and the 1701_c just before he transferred to the Titan)
Edward Jellico (1701-D)
Data (1701-D)
Worf son of Moog (1701-D, done only to deceive some klingon-sicles to go home instead of attacking, saving the fragile Klingon-Federation alliance)
Dr. Beverly Crusher (1701-D in a parallel universe she was the only crew member, making her the de facto captain and the officer I'd most like to serve under
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That's pretty much when Enterprise jumped the shark for me. It didn't take long to see that this was going to be nothing more than a skin-fest with very little meat. (No pun intended.) What I really love about Amanda Tapping's character on SG-1 is that they really play up all the good things about her beyond the fact that she's physically attractive. I mean she can kill a Jaffa, bake a souffle, pick a lock, and ride a motorcycle all in the same day. There's nothing wrong with having good looking people on the show, but there's got to be more to it than that to keep my interest. But let's face it - a little sex appeal is a good thing. I'm sure all the women on /. (current count = 0) would tell you that RDA is pretty hot and if they're honest then they'll say that that's at least a small part of the reason why they watch the show.
If you don't want crime to pay, let the government run it.
I thought so too. What I liked from what had started happening was the filling of the background stories as to how the Federation came to be. They were beginning to show some of the Worlds of the federation and the interaction of their peoples, most notably Vulcans and Andorians. It would have been nice to see the development of those interactions into the Federation.
I like my dinosaurs feathery, and my pterosaurs hairy (or is it pycnofibery?)
"Sadly enough, I've gotten into loud arguments about whether Picard or Kirk was the better captain."
*sigh*
There'll never be a Slashdot: The Next Generation.
"Derp de derp."
If it's Shatner, it's automatically funny.
Until you get to Hell and find out you have to spend eternity listening to him sing Stairway to Heaven.
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You mean the Mirror Universe ones?
Apparently the Mirror Universe has occasionally showed up in previous Trek episodes, it apparently makes much more sense if you remember those. (I don't, but looking at the ep summaries at tvtome make those two episodes MUCH more sensible.)
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
"(Riker complained to Jelicho he was being too hard on the crew. HELLO! You were at war, Riker!..."
No they weren't.
"Derp de derp."
"You'vd got to be kidding. Jadzia Dax has it all over 7 of 9."
Except that if you do her, you're also doing an old man.
"Derp de derp."
I thought it went off the air 2 years ago when it sucked so bad..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Peaceful negotiation. Is that like the peaceful negotion he dropped on Bosnia? Or Afghanistan? Or the Sudan? Or the peaceful negotiation we used the Blackhawk helecopters for in Somalia? Just curious.
Clinton was a very bellicose president, who chose the "gunboat diplomacy" option far more quickly than any in recent memory.
Just curious what everyone's favourite episode is out of all the series that ever aired.
Mine is "Inner Light"
Yeah, but if you take Ezri you get Jadzia AND Kurzon..............oh god, I really am a geek
"You're arguing for a universe with fewer waffles in it," I said. "I'm prepared to call that cowardice."
No actually, it's T'Pol And what she and Hoshi were wearing the mirror universe episodes were hot
"You're arguing for a universe with fewer waffles in it," I said. "I'm prepared to call that cowardice."
Picard got the business from a fat Yeoman while in the captain's chair. Amazing I missed that episode.
Much like legitimate business being blocked from the Net because their ISP is on a blacklist due to some other customer's spamming, the Enterprise bittorent is lost because this site allowed someone to share something much more valuable, the latest Brittney Spears song.
Thats because Picard is more diplomatic. Picard wins. I would give Sisko second. Shatner dead last...be..cause....i...can't....sta...nd....hea.. ..ring....him....spe...ak.
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
As I see it, from a sci-fi standpoint, the problem with Enterprise is that it is a Star Trek series.
This is not meant to be a flame, but if you had the same episodes with a different ship, aliens, and names for the technology Enterprise would have been a better series. The problem is that when you watch an episode you think "but it's not supposed to look/be like that that."
Of course, most slashdotters would then start saying "but it's just like Star Trek without the Vulcans and Klingons."
Successfully condensing fact from the vapor of nuance since 1998.
So the first few seasons sucked but when they realized they were in trouble they started to get their act together and when they were cancelled they got even better? When I hold up this information next to the politics surrounding Firefly a theory emerges: The way to get good sci-fi is to give them the budget they need but keep them thinking they're about to get canned unless they make tv gold.
This has two benefits. I keeps everybody hungry and desperate which brings out the best effort. It also unites the fans and mobilizes them to do a lot of grass roots marketing.
T'Pau was the female Vulcan leader who appeared in the ST:TOS episode Amok Time, and later in the film Star Trek III.
The band of the '80s was named after her.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing -- Emo Phillips
I don't recieve these, so I have been torrenting them, and here we are losing the torrent sites on the same day as the Finale.
A well timed attack I guess.
And then it would look like a submarine from today - except its a space submarine. Unfortunately, even our real modern day space shuttles equipment looks more high-tech then the original series. My computer has a more high-tech look. We cannot blame them on having better set equipment.
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
Was what the hell is Enterprise and why are they advertising a television show on Slashdot? Then I realized they were talking about Star Trek and I realized where I was...
by the end of DS9 sisko achived the rank of time traveling demi-god!
-You're wasting your time. Alfador only likes me.
Actually, I prefer 6 of 9!
I'll admit I watched ST:V. I actually did like some of the episodes, but mostly watched it just because it was Trek.
But Kes....mmmmmmmm. I had a crush on her for a long time. So girlishly cute but with a sexy sultry voice....drool.
But then they axed her to put in robo-bimbo. Meh.
And then they brought Kes back for an episode and she was old...and fat! Gah.....destroyed my fantasies.
"that pictorial resurfacing was the reason she was asked to leave the show."
Denise Crosby felt that her character wasn't being explored enough, that's why she left the show. It's part of a hardcover i have and i can't remember the title for some reason. It goes through production and series problems, all the trials and tribulations of running a TV show, things like that.
IANALOOA
He wrote some awesome books. They should let him write episodes, or better yet, a movie!
How can a relationship be "accurate"?
It's tragic. Laugh.
A totally CGI-composed Enterprise-D?? That sounds impressive, but with such a high-profile announcement for such a complex project, they're really setting themselves up as a target for buffer-overflow attacks. I hope they debugged it!
A mood-swing prone, semi-delusional, prime directive violating, technobabble spewing excuse for a captain! :-D
You got problems with his speech? How about his singing for chrissakes? ;)
Life is like a sewer; what you get out of it depends on what you put into it...
Where am I supposed to get Dr. Who now?!?!
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't...what about the other 8?
How about Janeway?
/em runs ducking and covering.
Why are you letting these clowns ruin our country?
this was over a long, long time ago. what a waste of time. maybe trekkies will finally get a life.
if electricity is created by electrons, is morality created by morons?
hmm, i dont think she was the only one. warning not safe for work
Agreed. I always thought Sisko was a nice synthesis of Kirk's take no shit attitude and Picard's thoughtfulness.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
I didn't realize you posted on slashdot!
IIRC during one of the DS9 episodes shortly after the Defiant appeared they referred to it as an "Escort" ship. If I recall my Star Trek terminology correctly would make it more like a destroyer then a PT-boat, in that it is designed to protect large vulnerable ships from small nimble ones.
"There'll never be a Slashdot: The Next Generation." ... and there was much rejoicing.
So, Patrick Stewart isn't suffering from typecasting post-Trek. ;-)
10 PRINT "LOOK AROUND YOU ";
20 GOTO 10
So you're saying they should have stayed completley acurate to TOS? I think people would be a little confused when they heard about the great wars in the 1990s.
I thought he was more of a Messiah. I wish DS9 had had a bit more of Prophet-related weirdness, it was always quite interesting when it happened, the trouble with DS9 is it never quite became the series it could've become (insert Babylon 5 reference here).
10 PRINT "LOOK AROUND YOU ";
20 GOTO 10
Kudos for your encyclopedic knowledge of pornography :-)
The parent was probably referring to my lame sig about Babylong 5 cast members who did porn.
I don't know that any of the recurring cast actually did porn, but some of them look the part.
I'm positve that Claudia Christian and Andrea Thompson did not, because they are cleary very wholesome.*cough* Tracy Scoggins/Marjorie Monaghan *cough*
I was hoping the Slashdot crowd would out some individuals complete with URLs.
Uh, spoiler warning? The new Who isn't running here yet...it it on bittorrent yet?
No way. Dr. Beverly. Man was she a babe. She maintained her awesome femeninity without becoming all tits like 7 of 9...
And Jerry Ryan almost always had her hair back. She's all friggin' lips. Her lips so big, Mick Jagger be sayin' "Them's some big-ass lips"
=D
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Terry Farrell . Please leave your geek pass at the door as you leave.
Easy solution: ::takes deep breath::
Okay, you have to understand that when we see something in TNG or DS9 or VOY or ENT, we are seeing what 'really' happened. Starfleet has released it's recordings, logs, etc, and edited them together with other video sources to form a story.
But when we see what happened in TOS, those are NOT the 'real' recordings, but rather they are Starfleet re-creations. Why would Starfleet only release re-creations of that time period, and not the 'real' footage? Well, I don't know, but security concerns might be an issue. Or maybe they were undergoing societal changes and were concerned that the 'common man' might not 'get' what was happening. So, they kept the original recordings and made fake ones, ones that gave the viewer a 'hero' to focus on, and a dead-simple morality to follow. (Or maybe TOS was propaganda made to be leaked to the Klingons, designed to made Starfleet look low-tech?)
Anyway, that explains why TOS technology does not match the other shows- TOS is a dumbed-down, made-for-TV version of what actually happened. OF COURSE they would simplify the tech, so as not to obscure the 'message'. It also explains the Klingons- they were not Klingons, just human actors in the re-creation.
The only thing that blows this theory is the DS9 ep where they go back in time. Oh well.
besides it's quite obviously Major Kira Nerys. Fools. :-P
This may be evidence that there's something seriously wrong with me, but I find that she's way hotter with her alien make-up than without it.
Kira Nerys (with the weird nose ridges): Sexy.
Nana Visitor (without them): Not so much.
Anyone else feel the same way, or am I just really sick?
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
Sheridan > Sisko > Sinclair > Picard > Kirk
Captain Solo?
Difference is, in a play, the actors only have one take to get it right. You can overlook the set because you usually have great acting in front of you...
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Ok, I've got to know the answer to your .sig trivia question: which B5 cast member did porn?
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You completely forgot about Marina Sirtis!
It wasn't actually know she had done anything like that until the third or so season. (Memory is a bit sketchy) So it was far too late to make her go away.
They eventually let Yar come back and play as well.
"You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours." -- Yogi Berra
You call someone a prude who doesn't like people having sex in front of other people? I call that common sense!
Good heavens, you sound like those losers on FARK.
Next you'll complain that her knees are too pointy.
Fess up: You would crawl over broken glass for the chance to drink her dirty bathwater.
and as a young lady in the 4th season of enterprise.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
But, whenever I try to use bittorrent it is more like bitdribble...not a torrent at all and I have a broadband connection.
I only wish that they had continued with the mirror universe and done a whole series based on Empress Hoshi's Starfleet.
That would have been worth watching, but an evil Earth would be too politically dangerous for the studio... especially since 'the federation' has always *really* been about 'yanks in space'.
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
"Gentlemen prefer blondes; I prefer brunettes... but everyone smiles at a redhead." Which goes far in explaining the wide popularity of Bev Crusher, and X-Files' Dana Sculley. (Yes, you in the back, X-Files is not Trek; now please shut up.)
Myself, I think I prefered Dax's Ezri incarnation, but that's because of my fondness for petite, short haired, assertive women.
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What I loved most about TNG was all the reflection it made us do. It made us look at ourselves and human nature more. DS9 was cool, and VOY less so, and ENT just sux, but they all lacked the kind of reflection that TOS and TNG offered us.
I mean, that black/white people episode was so obvious, but it was still fantastic, especially given the era that it came from. Move to TNG. It started huge, right off the bat; Q and his court case about humanity and how destructive we've been. I mean, there's such deep meaning there.
IMO DS9, VOY, and ENT were lacking in reflection. DS9 was cool in many other ways. As soon as they started the war, the show took a fantastic direction, but it still didn't offer much reflection. Not like TOS or TNG.
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If I remember correctly, In "The World of Star Trek" , a book that came out in the 70's all about Star Trek -- the US Navy actually came to the set of the Original Series to study the layout of the bridge control panels. Roddenberry and the set designers gave a lot of thought to the "ergonomics" of the controls when the were designing the bridge and the Navy supposedly utilized some of those ideas in their ships.
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The rank of Captain is not the same as position/title of ship's captain.
In the Navy, from which ST borrows its rank structure, Captain is both a title and a rank.
Captain, the rank, is equal to Colonel in the other services, and often has responsibility over thousands of sailors/employees. The Captain can be in charge of a base, a ship, or any unit of sufficient size to justify a manager/leader of that level.
Captain, the title, is reserved for the commander of a vessel, independent of rank. A small craft can be commanded by a LT, or even an Ensign. The crew addresses the person as Captain regardless of their rank.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
In a name: Hornblower.
DS9 got rad when Berman moved onto VOY.
Until then it kinda sucked ass too. I really got hooked on DS9 when Avery Brooks shaved his head and got some character to him. When they brought in the Klingons that just thickened the plot. I loved the long story arc.
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"I am Seven of Nine. You will be augmented."
Mr. Worf (buy the album! It's great!)
The Comforts of Home
At least with fan films I can still get Star Trek:
New Voyages
Star Trek Hidden Frontier
Starship Exeter
Tales of the Seventh Fleet
Star Trek: Intrepid
USS Hathaway
Audio:
Star Trek: Pioneers
Star Trek: The Section 31 Files
See the Pictures of the Flood of '08
That would be *Commodore* Decker (outranked Kirk, which is why he was able to endanger the Enterprise). His son was the guy in the first ST movie that ended up merging with V'ger and whasername played by Persis Khambatta.
"Oh, I hope he doesn't give us halyatchkies," said Heinrich.
Warf was the offical commander of the Defiant.
But what about before Worf joined? The Defiant appeared in the 3rd season while Worf didn't join until the fourth.
1) Future Guy is a Vulcan who wants to retroactively eliminate the Federation because he belives it contaminated Vulcan culture and prevented reunification.
2) Daniels is a "descendant" of Data, although far more human-like.
3) The Xindi die off before the era of Kirk. They cannot resolve their post-Sphere Builder differences and war unto extinction.
4) The USS Archer, as alluded to in "Star Trek: Nemesis," is an unarmed garbage scow.
I have no sources to support this; I'm just filling a void. It's true because I say it is.
If you mod me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
If you like drek, sure, it's been a good run. The problem is that most of Trek has been garbage.
- First 2 years of Next Gen - Unwatchable crap.
- Voyager - seven years of absolute garbage
- Enterprise - utter and complete bilge
Seasons 3 - 7 of Next Gen were good, with a smattering of truley inspired shows and a solid season (I think it was 6) that was some of the best post TOS shows made.
Deep Space Nine was the only series since TOS to land on its feet with good shows and only started to get old durring the last year when they were trying to wrap up too many loose ends too quickly.
Otherwise, it's been a moldering crapfest of badly written cliches, horrid dialog (sp?) and plots so feeble you could sneeze through them.
And speaking of Farpoint, that has to be one of the most painful TV experiences of my life. Two hours of heavy-handed tripe. Q was the only thing in that episode worth watching and he couldn't even save it. And the whole golly-gee factor made me sick. "You've never been on a Galaxy class Starsip before." *SHUDDER*
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
According to the court documents, Ms. Ryan claimed that her husband attempted to pressure her into having public sex with him in front of an audience.
I think Terry Farrel is cuter too, but calling Jeri a "prude" because she didn't want to screw her husband in a club where there were "cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling," is a little unfair.
Whitestars cute? They look like plucked chickens!!
I thought she was too. Hey, she can whoop my ass anytime.
Pfft, Picard. Everyone knows the best captain is Han Solo.
Linux sucks. And you're fat. Take a shower hippy.
I just hope this turns up on one of the remaining torrent servers. Now with btnet down, we poor european have lost a good source of US tv shows.
And this month is especially bad, because so many shows end or end their season.
Troi? Worf? Whip-cracks? Hey, I was looking for slash, not that kinky BDSM fanfic stuff!
(Rereads.)
Oh dear God, now my own joke is putting sick images in my head. Damn me! Damn me to Hell!
Sisko: Threatened, or performed, violent action on omnipotent superdimensional beings regularly.
When they announced that the next Star Trek show would be on a space station, I was extatic! Those huge mushroom shaped space docks were awesome, I wanted to see more of those. Hell, they seem to be massive enough to hold the entire population of a small civilisation.
But they went with "crappy, ferengi-infested alien military surplus fixer-upper". That was the first disapointment... one of many.
You can't take the sky from me...
As far as I know, both Jeri's boobs and her hair are real, or at least they were during Voyager. I heard she recently had a boob job though...
Oh yeah, Kira does it for me every time/any time. So hot.
The original Adama!
It looks as though in the Phoenix Metro market, they're airing "These are the Voyages..." tonight, and "Terra Prime" on Sunday (May 15th). Kind of lame, if you ask me.
Then again, we have the Phoenix Suns to thank. Anyone else in other television markets having this problem?
Picard is a wimp. Kirk is a man's man.
Picard trys to go by the Prime Directive, even if it means misery for people on the planet. Kirk always violated it, because he put the good fortune of others ahead of a buerocratic/pollitical idea.
Picard always tries to get out of fighting, if possible, tries to reason with Klingons, etc. Kirk knows that he has an edge in fighting, and that Klingons, etc won't listen to reason anyway.
Picard always is concerned for the safety of his crew, and never has the engineer exceed safety regulations. Kirk knows that his engineer is smart enough to exceed safety regulations without endangering the crew.
Picard is a prude, doesn't have many girlfriends. Kirk has a woman on every planet, and apparently spread his seed across the galaxy.
Picard does not know how to fight, someone stronger than him can easily take him out. When faced with a genetically engineered madman with ten times his strength, Kirk evened the odds with a pipe.
Picard is bald, even in the future there is no cure for baldness. Kirk lost some hair, but was smart enough to join the hair club for men or wear a toupee.
Picard crashed his ship due to his mismanagement. Kirk set his ship to self destruct so the Klingons wouldn't get it, and it would take some Klingons out when it blew up.
Kirk gave his own life to save Picard and the universe. Picard couldn't even save himself from his own clone, without having one of his crew (Data) sacrifice his life, because Picard is too much of a wimp.
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Solo? What leadership ability did he display? Fighting ability: sure. Flying ability: hell yes! Combat thinking: you bet. But politics, diplomacy, real leadership: no, at least not in the movies.
Yes, I know this.
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Of course, you could also boil it down to "Head Honcho of the show" since he was the leader of a motley crew of rebels, outsiders, and misfits.
Traditionally this means 'after Coto (departed)', which clearly is not what you wanted to say.
"Hot lesbian witches! It's fucking genius!"
I like that. You could call him "The Head" for short, and people wouldn't know whether you were talking about the leader or the toilet. :)
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
Andy Griffith's like a lot of other classic TV
Classic TV and Sci-Fi are two very different genres. I just don't think Andy Griffith is a good model for a Sci-Fi show.
oblig. TMBG - Everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
In the SW books, he went as far as General.
If we count the books, which present an official part of Lucas galaxy, than we'll have to consider Admiral Thrawn as well. In the Empire, admiralship was preceded by captainship. Thrawn also commanded Himaera w/Pellaleon at the end of his career. I'd put Thrawn against Sheridan, Picard, Kirk or any other captain.
More info here:
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I think Han Solo blew them all away... and he got the Princess.
Montreal? hahahahahah!
On the ship, the Defiant may not have had the size of a Galaxy-class starship but it easily had the punch. The class was designed (at least partly by Sisko himself) to fight the Borg, after all.
Sweet Jeebus, I'm a geek. :)
Why start now?
That was even mentioned in DS9. I can't remember which ep, but Nog fucked up and O'Brien had to explain it to him. Good job Starfleet Academy!
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I wonder what they could have done with the series if, instead of a prequel, they had focused on the later years of the Federation. Have it be the only Superpower remaining, that sort of thing. You could even incorporate religious strife, terrorism, and the fight to keep a large stable society from decaying. I realize that that kind of fictional universe might have made for some squirming TV Execs, but I also think that, if it had survived its first season, that it would still be on the air.
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
Hint: if you search for Enterprise on Isohunt, and use the torrents from 'NiteShdw,' they will work....
"He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once." - Steve Jobs on Bill Gates
Does Bush count as 'recent memory'?
The first ep at least was on BitTorrent before the BBC had shown it. I'd link to the Slashdot story, but I can't be arsed searching.
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Now I've only seen Season 1 (and a select few other misc. episodes) of DS9, but that's the feeling I got...
The Federation was the "Superpower" that wasn't necessarily wanted...
Deja Vu
n. 1. The sensation that you've read this very article before.
Yes they were!
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In the SW books, he went as far as General.
He was addressed as "General Solo" in the briefing room during "Return of the Jedi."
Holy crap, I'm a huge geek for knowing that!
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
You think you a nerd for coming up with all that, but if you were a real nerd you would know that Trek magazine ran stories back in the 70s explaining that the Klingons which appeared in TOS were genetically altered to infiltrate human worlds.
(Being that it is a tactic of deception, it's not a proud moment in Klingon war history, hence Worf's line in DS9 saying, "we don't like to talk about it.")
It wasn't until the movies that we got to see what "real" Klingons look like.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
Hawk!!!!! /me waits for the mods who don't get the very ontopic joke.
Cypherpunks: Civil Liberty Through Complex Mathematics. Those who live by the sword die by the arrow.
Blargh... what I meant post Berman...!
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I like
Like that poor Romulan ambassador.
("In The Pale Moonlight")
No, they weren't.
The Federation and the Cardassians weren't exactly in love with each other, but that was not a war.
I would agree if you said they were in a hostile situation and that battle drills were a good idea, however, war is a serious overstatement of the predicament they were in. Had they been at war, there wouldn't be kids on the Enterprise.
"Derp de derp."
I wasn't even aware that she was an officer, I thought she was a civilian contractor (but she donned a uniform in later shows).
She also donned a uniform in the exact episode you were talking about, with Jelicho as captain, because he demanded a "certain formality on the bridge". (yeah I score loser points for that one).
And, she wore a uniform of the old mini-skirt variety in the earliest episodes -- Encounter at Farpoint. It wasn't until later that she started wearing the Counselor-pajamas.
I figure once a SciFi show does the time-travel back to WW2 bit, it's jumped the shark. Sorry, but after Voyager, Enterprise wasn't much of an improvment.
:)
Oh well, the new Doctor Who is fun
General Solo showed this in RotJ.
Sisko had the rank of commander at the start of DS9 and was promoted to full Captain later in the series. This was probably because they were moving to bring Worf onboard who was already a commander at that point. So Sisko had both the rank and the title of Captain towards the end of the series.
In the interests of fairness, I must interject that Picard's characterization in Nemesis is extremely spotty. There's no real reason for him to behave as he does, nearly destroying the ship and killing his entire crew. The "action-hero" machismo gives way to resignation, with no attempt to stop the death-ray maguffin after his clone dies. No matter what you say about Picard, I hardly think he'd give up if his crew was on the line.
That whole story was thrown together just so they could kill Data and rip off Wrath of Khan. The box office take reflects this.
She had a former lover doing her review. You really think she was going to fail? Riker was still secretly hoping for another hookup.
Your girlfriend is reporting your deficiencies to Capt. Picard? I don't get it.
Except that if you do her, you're also doing an old man.
That might not be so bad. She'd certainly know what a man likes...
Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
Wasn't that the one with the insane, gung-ho Red Squad crew?
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Actually, that sounds better, but IMO it wouldn't work in a post 9/11 - some activist group would label it "anti-american" or something (America is really the only superpower right now too)
I think they could stand to make some bold statements, but no TV Exec has the courage to make such a statement.
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Naw, DS9 was about helping out a race of ppl who just go their independance. They were asked to be there, and they made Cisco their "god" so to speak (that was the only story arc that annoyed me).
I'd bet if it were out today, the story line would be vastly different...
Kardassians = Hussein, Bajorans = Iraqi ppl, Federation = Americans. Could do some really cool stuff with THAT story line... Imagin the controversy? It would be labeled anti-american, and tv stations would stop carrying it lol!
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The way I see it, the original series tech was just simplier in its interface, but probably infinitely more complex in its details. I.e., crystal circuitry/data storage and whatnot, whereas Enterprise uses much more conventional technology. I can see original series onward (chronologically) as being way in the future, where was it's easy to see Enterprise being only 50-100 years in the future (not counting e.g., World War 3)
Yeah, but it could still be cramped. To be honest, they tried to convey that (e.g. engineers having to climb on top of the antimatter reactor), but they didn't really succeed. Maybe if they'd made the corridors too narrow to walk side-by-side in...
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
I have dipped in and out of Enterprise here in the UK on Sky (the guys that funded the new Battlestar Galactica - yes I do know that it's basically Murdoch).
It occurs to me that there are two fatal flaws in "Enterprise":
(1) Being a prequel, it lacks any sense of tension for the overall story arc. A common problem. Lucas, I'm looking at you.
(2) Diane Warren theme tune.
However, Jolene Blalock is the hottest of all the Star Trek chics. She's a hot sexy model who is not a prude and she's not old. You also can find lots videos and pictures of her wearing very little clothes, which is a big plus.
Although Kirsty Alley looked pretty hot in Star Trek 2. Also, the guest appearences of Ashley Judd as Wesley Crusher's girlfriend were very nice. She wasn't in enough episodes to be considered a Star Trek hottie.
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Sisko was given the rank of Captain when he was given command of the Starship USS Defiant. Therefore he held both the rank and title of Captain. Therefore you can compare him to Captains in the other ST shows...
...quicker, easier, more seductive the darkside is...but more powerful, it is not.
Anyone care to explain this?
You're correct, they were not at war. But your reason is weak. The best evidence is when the Cardassians were onboard negotiating with Jericho. Riker demanded that Picard be given treaty protections that would treat him as a prisoner of war. The Cardassians, in turn, wanted an admission that the Federation *started* a war, and asked if they were willing to admit that. Jericho quickly said "no". So the Cardassian said "then he (Picard) will be treated as a terrorist".
Shatner does a "Have you been hurt in an accident?" commerical for a personal injury law firm. I think it's Brad Hendricks law firm.
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It's interesting that the MPAA chose to start suing (well, okay ... threatening to sue) some more major BitTorrent sites right on the eve of a Star Trek series final episode. All they've probably managed to do is seriously piss off the very people who are most likely to know how to commit "rampant piracy" and who are more than willing to do it. Good job. I hope your member companies are very pleased.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
Picard pays full price, Kirk names his own price and saves!
Both do.
And even though both led us to war, the two of them combined did not attack other nations as often as Clonton.
Woah, look out!
If you were standing a little higher, that joke would have caught you right on the top of the head!!!
Close one, there.
I just wanted to make the comment that I think it is quite fitting that the 'late great one' (i.e. TNG) is in Enterprise. I think it is appropriate, in the same way that a 19th century father on the farm, sturdy strong and powerful of body and mind, when finding that his son has foregon his chores and let the family down and skipped church for the evening, takes his mighty hand and crashes it upon the face of the insolent youth both as a lesson in love and in respect.
lol. Without the extended metaphor: ENT fu**ed things up quite nicely for the dynasty for most of its 4 years. It deserves to be in the presence of the greatness that was TNG, if only as a reminder to fans of what a great show we once had.
Ah. Respect is a powerful word
Informative???? A tread-head talking trash about guys who engage the enemy at close range with rifles, rather than from inside the protective confines of a steel box?
Beh, I say! Beh!
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Give it up, Enterprise has gone the way of the Amiga.
You obviously haven't seen Army leadership manuals. Read FM 22-100 (the core Army leadership manual) and SH 21-76 (the Ranger Handbook), then we can talk rationally about this.
Innocent bystanders always get killed in war, and sometimes it's deliberate. Some armies inculcate a wanton disregard for human life in their soldiers, while others try their best to impress upon soldiers the importance of safeguarding the lives of noncombatants. You would more than likely be amazed at the risks we took in Somalia so we could be sure that we were not putting civilians in danger. I'm not in Afghanistan or Iraq, but my guess is that the situation is not uniform for every unit, and that in some cases there are commanders and soldiers who are acting with wanton disregard for human life. Then again, if you took random group of people and put them in a situation where combatants and noncombatants were closely mixed, you might very well find that the majority of them made mistakes and killed civilians. The Bush Administration went into Iraq ludicrously unprepared for a long-term occupation, which has led to a situation in which soldiers are spread too thin and are under tremendous stress, fighting an enemy that is willing to kill its own people in order to kill Americans.
As to your statement about other crimes, rape and killing of POWs is not condoned in American military manuals. People in your town all know that murder is wrong, but some people do it. That doesn't mean that your town is teaching people to murder.
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Picard and Kirk were captains in completely different eras.
With Kirk, the Federation was relatively new, and there was still a kind of Old West atmosphere to the galaxy. The Federation was still trying to establish its role.
With Picard, there was a lot more beurocratic pressure on the Enterprise, as the flagship of the Federation, to act in the right way. That's not to say that they went by the book in all cases; I recall more than a couple episodes where Picard either broke the prime directive, or else chose not to punish the crewmember that did.
I don't think it's fair to compare the two in the way that you have, in the same way you can't compare Kennedy to Lincoln to determine who was the better President.
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And vice versa.
Which is probably the pith of the arguments presented by the homosexual movements.
But also, conversely, probably the entire reason for sex.
(I say as my wife expresses disgust that I would be reading /. and laughing about this Star Trek thread.)
Denise Crosby
She was also on Red Shoe Diaries as a cop.
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I am a programmer. I am paid to produce syntax not grammar. Deal with it.
A sad end to a remarkable idea. The finale of TNG was brilliant, the finale this evening was more of the SOS.
"To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
sisko was my favorite too..
there was a lot of "hawk" in avery brooks' portrayal of sisko, and i loved that about ds9. they really did a good job working that side of brooks into the scripts.
and it was a consistently well-acted lead role. can't say that about any of the other star trek series.
I believe the term is "DAT" or "dumb ass tanker".. but then again, you have to admit that it isn't wise to argue with sixty tons of armor.
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I know all about Thrawn. But you should properly call him Grand Admiral Thrawn, and he was the only alien to be granted that honor by the Emperor. That said, Thrawn was pretty brilliant, but nowhere near Sheridan's level. He was another character that did superb combat, excellent war strategy, iffy politics, no diplomacy.
I explicitly stated that I was just considering the movies. Because otherwise I'd have to include certain Babylon 5 and Star Trek books that are also canon.
Now maybe I can do something else besides watch TV.
Kirk has a woman on every planet, and apparently spread his seed across the galaxy.
"I've always wondered why there were so many humanoids scattered through the galaxy."
-- Dr. McCoy in "The Paradise Syndrome" (WAV clip)
Oh Jesus, yes. They out-hotted all the Trek hotties in that storyline.
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Your radical ideas about Klingons have already occurred to others
Dude, the CURRENT Adama is a better commander AND more interesting than the original.
Come on. He fucking kicks ass.
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I'm not sure how "heavily armed" PT boats are, but the Defiant had the latest of top-of-the-line combat technology - a Romulan cloak, multiphasic shielding, ablative armor, gatling phasers, quantum torpedoes - the list goes on.
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Aside: I think the reason she was technobabble-spewing was because shortly before she moved to the command track, she was a science officer on several ships.
Just thought I'd point that out. I rather liked the idea of a scientist captain, though of course the idiot writers never actually made use of it.
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I miss DS9 like crazy, and Sisko is no small part of why. Avery Brooks is a terrific actor and I'm dying to see what he and the rest of the cast can do in a movie format.
Perhaps we'll see.
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Even better, Janeway tried to run from Q. BEAT THAT!
The only STV episode I can remember is the one where she got possessed by a dying alien. She was hot in black and dominated minions. Sign me up for Kes' Army.
What the hell's the point of being a sex symbol if you aren't actually willing to have freaky sex? It's like having a world-class sports car and never getting it out of first gear.
He said, she said. You should take anything said in a messy divorce with a grain of salt, particularly if there are large sums of money at stake. Since she wound up getting $20 million out of the deal, and was angling for more, I think it's safe to say she had motive to... exaggerate the facts a bit.Now, I don't doubt they went to the clubs in question. However, having been in that situation, I find it highly unlikely that anyone who did any even a modicum of research (as she claims he did) wouldn't have learned the basic etiquette[NSFW] that is expected in such venues.
Likewise, I have a hard time believing that a highly successful stockbroker -- someone who makes his living by being persuasive and a good negotiator -- could have been as tactless and inept as she describes. Hell, I'm a socially-challenged computer geek, and even I can do a better job of convincing a woman to go to a swing club than that.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
People often use the word intolerable, and then go on to tolerate. They use the word unacceptable, and then they accept. I guess you can make a definition of acceptable that doesn't mean what the word means, but in the end, lives will be lost and if you don't accept that, it means you don't do it.
Remedial viewing: Glory (on the matter of sacrifice), The Princess Bride (on the topic of words that people use but don't really mean, in that case, "inconceivable").
Kent M Pitman
Philosopher, Technologist, Writer
Gee, I'm sorry to burst everyone's bubbles, but Star Trek in every one of its various and myriad forms (from original recipe to the last extra moldy version) was one of the worst long running pieces of utter schlock to ever get bundled under the banner of Science Fiction. Its science was laughable, its writing was banal, its humor was on par with hillbilly one-liners, its situations were stilted and its acting was worse. Sure it's special effects got better with time and it featured some hot babes to keep male interest levels high, but that was about all you could say for it. Out of, what, seven movies or so, only Wrath of Khan is worth watching twice and the rest were in varying grades of lousy. I for one am glad it's gone and I can only hope they never bring the cheesy thing back. Instead maybe we'll see some decent Sci-Fi make it, like some of the Vorkosigan stories or some Honor Harrington or William Gibson or almost anything with some plot and CHARACTER DEVELOPEMENT. Decent writing and dialogue wouldn't hurt either. If you need examples of much better shows try Babylon Five, Farscape, Firefly, etc.
For that matter if it's making gold from lead that you want to see an example of, try Dr. Who or Red Dwarf. These shows managed to overcome the most low budget effects and silliest plot lines ever imagined and still came out looking a hundred times better written and performed.
Only Buck Rogers (starring Tweeky!) and the original Battlestar Galactica (Gee Pa them Cylons shure is mean ol' hombres) managed to be even worse then Star Trek in its many incarnations. Lost in Space and Time Tunnel were probably at the same level as ST(NG,V,DS9,or E) and we will simply hope that no one even thinks about Irwin Allen and the drivel he produced (I still shudder to wonder what incompetent naval architect ever thought about putting ventilation ducts big enough to crawl through in a submarine, but I digress).
Yes DS9 was marginally the best of the StarDrek breed, but we're arguing for who sucks least here and they scarcely merits the nostalgic angst I'm reading here.
The collective series is dead, I'm glad it's dead, and I hope they never resurrect it.
It turns out that the whole "ST: Enterprise" series was just another holodeck malfunction.
Of course it's Picard. Kirk never did anything like this.
Nope. 7 of 9, aka 10 of 10, aka 38 of D.
But poor Terry Farrell was totally, totally wasted in DS9. I never even though of her as attractive until DS9 did the Tribble episode. And seeing her in that ST:TOS uniform... WHOA! And she got extra points for having the hots for Spock over Kirk.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
I gotta admit, at first I didn't like that character (back when it was on The Practice), but Denny. Crane. has so grown on me.
And only Shatner could really pull off a character who honestly used the sound of his name as some sort of amulet to ward off lesser beings.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
Thank you, sir. Thank you.
As for Claudia Christian, you're probably right (although it's often the quiet ones who'll really shock you in private). But Andrea Thompson? Not only did she show quite a bit of skin on NYPD Blue on more than one occasion, she also did a very steamy nude scene on the HBO series Arli$$. MMM yum. Plus on B5, there was that whole implied (unconsummated?) lesbian relationship between Talia and Ivanova...
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
Khan? Damn, don't remember that scene. (Time to turn over the official geek identification card...)
I don't think you meant Spock. Funny, that's one of my favorite scenes too, in "This Side of Paradise". Kirk, noting in his log before confronting Spock, how Spock could kick his ass. And then during the fight, Spock whacks the pipe Kirk uses to block and crushes it, illustrating just how screwed Kirk was. Kirk was a master at evaluating a tactical situation. Picard had to study Kirk, not vice versa.
And remember, Kirk took out a Gorn as well! (My only quibble with the "Mirror Enterprise" episode. They made the Gorn look like a skinny gekko, rather than the slowassed, meat ripping machine...)
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
Personally, I think Jolene Blalock looks like a house dancer at a mid-grade strip club -- reasonably attractive and boinkable, in a slightly white-trash kind of way.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
It was better toward the end, way better actually. I also gave up watching it, for much the same reasons, and only recently got involved, to point of actually trying to watch it, this season. Actually, I think they should have done this ... or combined them somehow, remember when they
sooner, perhaps only done 1 of Deep Space Nine, and Voyager
were running both simulatenously? they have treked us out, a little bit. The song intro really hurt them, imo, totally unlike anything before, and therefore killed the ritualistic aspect of star-trek viewing. Imagine if next-gen had blundered on the opening title? I doubt it would have much fared better, Q got a little tedius.
My first memory of Star Trek is tangential. I came upon my older bother and sister in the TV room watching a spaceship on the tube. I asked them if Star Trek was on; they "shushed" me. I sat watching with them and slowly realized that it was a real space mission, not the TV show. This must have been Apollo 8, 9, or 10 in 1967 or '68 -- there were three people in the ship and I know it wasn't the first moon landing.
This early memory (I was born in '63) tells me that I knew at the time what Star Trek was, though I don't have distinct memories of the episodes or watching it during the first seasons.
While this is a time for geeks of my age to rejoice (we have the final Star Trek episode and the final Star Wars movie now - I was 14 in 1977 for the debut of Star Wars), Star Trek has always been closer for me. Going back to that time, the future then was a dark thing: Cold War, oil shortages, stagflation, Club of Rome, overpopulation . . . the list goes on. Star Trek provided an optimistic view of a future world - not without pain and suffering to achieve it, but a final world in which the differences of the '60's and 70's were achieved.
Well, boys and girls, we've reached that world; and not a little bit because there were fictional sources to point the proper way. Lt. Uhuru was the first major black character on a TV series. The Cold War is over; my beautiful wife is Hungarian, inaccessible before behind the Iron Curtain - today, we have a boy and a girl together. It's not because of Star Trek - but Star Trek was a touchstone for many of us here in the west - a common vision and means of communication.
There is a previous memory in this list of watching Trek in Somolia. My memory is watching Star Trek 4 in Taipei, Taiwan, in a youth hostel almost entirely populated by non-Americans. Yet they shared so many of the visions. Truly, Hollywood is a powerful tool. Too bad too few of those in control have the vision of Gene Roddenbery.
Too bad the elements of TNG that were present in the episode were dumbed down to the suck-level of Enterprise.
Picard slapped Q in one of STNG books. I think it was mutual slapping or something. The book started about the universe pulling itself into a giant vortex soon after when Data and Picard went holodeck fishing, and the whole plot rotated about The End of Everything As We Know It or some such key phrase. For some reason, I tought the author was influenced by Douglas Adams books although I hoped it wasn't true.
~vp
However, the re-release of her Playboy spread and the announcement of her departure from TNG were so close together that it seems unlikely that the timing was mere cooincidence.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
Don't forget, Sisko had the bawls to punch Q.
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However, if, by "crap", you mean anything else about that horrendous abortion of a TV show, then I shall have to state, for the record, that you are an extremely insightful person whose post should be modded up post-haste.
Yuck - the NiteShdw avis are only 175MB. The 'normal' size torrents (350MB) are working, albeit slower than usual.
Some of the torrents for the 350 MB versions are working, some are not. I think it depends on which of btefnet's trackers the torrent uses.
I believe the ridges were explained in Enterprise.
A handful of remnants of the eugenics wars (kept in secret by data's creator, before he turned to robotics) started getting delusions of grandieur (as they do), left their secret home and captured a klingon vessel. The klingons decided to create their own engineered people in response.
Unfortunately, they fucked up somehow and created/mutated a virus that infected an entire klingon planet. So the scientists responsible captured the Enterprise doctor to help create a cure, otherwise other klingons were going to exterminate the planet's population to contain the virus.
This cure was created from human DNA (or some shit) and resulted in the patient losing his ridges.
In the future came technology to give them back their ridges, but until then, klingons from that planet were human-like.
Opportunity knocks. Karma hunts you down.
Is it still on BitTorrent? :)
New episodes air every Saturday and wind up on BT within 2-3 hours. Episode 8 should be out sometime tonight.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
Worf was a Lt. Cmdr., one rank below Sisko's rank of full Commander, and equal to Major, the same rank as Kyra. No conflict of authority if Sisko was not promoted.
It made sense to promote Sisko in the story arc because of the increasing importance of DS9, and the greater responsibilities Sisko had to undertake.
Not to mention "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds".
"Picture yourself...in a boat!"
"On a river! With...TANgerine trees and MARmalade skies!"
"Somebody calls you"[anguished voice]"you answer"
[normal voice]"quite sloooowly"
[growl]"A GIRL!"
[normal voice rising in pitch]"with kaleidoscope eyes."
Awful. Simply awful. Funny, but still awful.
Anakin Simpson: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy--ooh, donuts!
And the best captain? Captain Mackenzie Calhoun of the USS Excalibur. Notable at being the only alien captain in charge of a series (even if it is a book series), and also in charge of a vastly more diverse crew in terms of species (which being a book series helps). Very few humans on the bridge, and each species is at a post where they excel. Brikar security officers just make sense.
Oh, and I liked Enterprise, but the screwed with the Thollians, for which I am very upset and will pretend never happened.
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Evan
"$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
Jeri Ryan is made of plastic. Jolene Blalock might not be.
Not to burst yer bubble, but Jolene is a skinny little skater grrl. I've heard her interviewed (by Howard Stern) and she describes her on-screen rack as totally artificial. "Tube socks".
Personally I think Terry Farrell has it all over both of 'em.
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Picard is a wimp. Kirk is a man's man.
Picard trys to go by the Prime Directive, even if it means misery for people on the planet. Kirk always violated it, because he put the good fortune of others ahead of a buerocratic/pollitical idea.
Kirk may be a mans man, but Picard is an adult. Kirk would just do what he closed minded wanted. Say, if he was president he would "liberate" a coutry even if it ment 100000 died in the process.
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Field leadership perhaphs, but not political leadership or diplomacy.
True, the scientific aspect of producing a Human-Vulcan mix is utter tripe (iron v. copper based blood for a start) but, since TOS gave us Spock already, to me it was already part of the willing suspension of disbelief that the two species could mate (yes, the sexually incompatible portion of the definition of "species" means they can't mate but science has already left the building).
I didn't get a sense of T'Pol being "shared around". I think at the beginning of the series she developed a respect for Archer and, therefore, some attachment. However, has she and Trip spent more time together she developed a sort of monogomous relationship with him. That is not to say respect and attraction had for Archer vanished but, just as in human relationships, she moved on while maintaining a fondness for him. Also, Archer, like Kirk (perhaps even more so), is "married" to his ship and career.
Her period of being married was a perhaps unnecessary complexity but life often throws curves which would screw up a nice story arc so maybe it can be excused. It certainly led to the next thing: Trip's coolness towards her.
I did find Trip's casual dismissals of her efforts to open up and connect annoying but understandable as a developing relationship. He needed to learn that she was in the process of learning to crawl while he could already run. It was evidence of the strength of T'Pol's feelings that she continued to pursue the relationship once Trip became so cool towards it.
To conclude, I think they were onto something with the Trip-T'Pol relationship and that it could have been developed into an even more interesting story line. The killing of Trip at the end of the series, which ruins the possibility of ever developing the relationship further, was completely idiotic and pure Braga/Berman shortsightedness. It was so stupid I would even accept a crappy way to reverse it such as having T'Pol finding a way to time travel just to save him (bringing her skepticism about time travel into the plot!).
I have read that Jolene Blalock was very unhappy ("appalled") with the ending of the series and I have to conclude she was referring to Trip's death.
[Spoiler context not repeated. Get context from previous messages, and stop reading now if you've not seen the last episode and care about having it spoiled.]
I can understand her upsetness. Although I had remarked upthread that a death could be instructive to our space program, I meant "by way of showing that things can continue", not "as a way of so demoralizing everyone that they would know the series was really over". That kind of misses the "sometimes death is necessary for things to move ahead" message.
Plus, this is a lesson Star Trek has already taught us well, and is not one that required repeating. I heard my wife muttering "The good of the many must outweigh..." before the incident was even half-over and we knew the outcome. You could see it coming a mile away.
It seemed a serious diss either to the people who canceled it or personally to Connor Trinneer (who played Trip in the series but won't be in any movies without help from the 28th Century Temporal Police--they closed the door on that relatively firmly with Riker's historical commentary and museum video).
[Actually, IMDB shows its bounding notation "(2001-2005)", usually reserved for characers present only for part of a series after not just Trip but also Archer, T'Pol, Flox, and Malcolm (but not Travis and Hoshi, for example). Wonder what that's about. Conspiratorial thought: Did I see talk here on Slahdot of the South Park people picking up the show? Maybe that's why Chef was the central character in the last episode... maybe he's the common element that's going to tie the two shows together.]
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See, you made my point. If you Picard-lovers weren't so busy having those staff meetings and finding out how every junior officer *felt* about each potential course of action, then you wouldn't be engaging the enemy at *close* range.
:P
You would have, like Kirk, figured out that they were the enemy, made the immediate decision to engage NOW, and engaged at LONG range.
Thppppt!
DG
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Malcolm Reynolds? Anyone?
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There'll never be a Slashdot: The Next Generation
It'll be reruns anyway.
Ceci n'est pas un sig.
Before Sisko was Sisko he was Hawk. Coolness contest over before it started.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
What you have to remember is that the Star Trek universe, i.e., all of the Star Trek stories, came from a black Sci-Fi pulp mag writer named Benny Russell who created it all back in the '50s.
This helps explain the different "looks" of the different series', each reflecting the era in which some of Russell's stories were turned into television shows and movies. Sort of like how Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers might have a look different from the original '30s visuals if the same stories were filmed again today.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
"These are Voyages" was so boring I gave up part way and did the dishes.
But the season finale for ST was fantastic!
Sigh. Back to Battlstar Galactica, Lost and Grey's Anatomy for me.
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Trip can return in a movie or expansion on the series, as long as it takes place in the long time span they gave themselves between the Terra Prime thing and the coda where he is killed.
Now I'm not remembering clearly, nor am I highly motivated to rush out and find a friend who cared enough to record this fiasco of a last-two-episodes, but didn't T'Pol mention she hadn't thought of him in all that time? Presumably implying that he wasn't on the ship, and at least implying that the one plot feature people want to see (the two of them together) can't usefully happen?
Kent M Pitman
Philosopher, Technologist, Writer
Yeah and Picard would allow the evil dictator to rule that country and try to deal with him diplomatically. All the while, the evil dictator is sending his people to slaughterhouses and not agreeing with Picard. Then Picard sends a team down to negotiate with the Evil Dictator, and they get captured. Then, yes, for the sake of humanity, Picard goes himself, only to be captured and executed, and the Evil Dictator takes over the Enterprise.
Scotty was right "The only diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank."
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The invasion of iraq has killed more than saddam could, and created tons of emenies. That's what shotgun diplomacy gets you.
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Freedom does not have a price tag. Communism has killed over 100 million people, yet I do not hear you complaining about that.
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Freedom does not have a price tag.
ah, so you think its ok to kill and slaughter if you put the right label on it. How inhuman of you.
Communism has killed over 100 million people, yet I do not hear you complaining about that.
If you murder your wife, you are not going to get off because someone else has.
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Sure by all rights, according to you, we still should be slaves to the British Empire in the good old USA. Also Hitler should be running the planet after World War II. Just because you say it is not ok to kill if you put the right label on it. I'll bet you never stood for anything in your life that was worth fighting for.
Therefore, you are pro-Facism, pro-Slavery, and pro-Freedom because you would rather let those things happen than kill people to prevent it.
There is a difference between kill and murder. Murder is unjustified, killing can be justified.
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Er that should have been Anti-Freedom instead of Pro-Freedom. I got caught up in the momment.
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Mod: -1 crackpot
Mod: -1 fanatic
Mod: -1 Low IQ
Mod: -2 Makes world more dangerous to live in
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Mod: -1 Wimp
Mod: -1 Whiner
Mod: -1 Retarded
Mod: -2 Uses moral relativism to justify doing nothing.
Mod: -3: Only the Sith think in absolutes.
The last one is slightly related to the thread. It is, at least Sci-Fi.
Have fun living in your unrealistic black and white world.
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Mod: -2 Uses moral relativism to justify doing nothing.
Mod: -3: Only the Sith think in absolutes.
And of course those with an IQ larger than a dead rat will find those two amusing since they contradict each other.
Pity this place doesn't have an ignore function.
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Learn to laugh, or you will go insane. You cannot ignore the truth.
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Oh wake up will you - If morals are absolute then you are a fanatic, a sith, and alqueda. If you say "if you are not with me you are against me" they only way out is war.
So he's par with Wesley.
Lars T.
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