Personally I think most people here a very good reasons to hate them. I wrote windows software exclusively for over 7 years and still do on occasion. Over the course of those 7 years they did many things that drove me not quite to the point of hatred but more of a awakining. Little stuff like how can I code against the shell? Well it took years for them to disclose that information so that we could add simple extensions to the shell. I am not sure they even disclosed it somebody probably had to reverse engineer the api. They keep all this little stuff to themselves for their own benefit and to lock out competitors. IE oh yea there is another one, they linked that piece of crap into every developer tool, shell everywhere they could stick it not to help me out as a developer but to dominate the browser market. Took their advice, yea make everything run on transaction server it is the greatest, what now I have a ton of shit running on one and transcation server has been dropped.
Once upon a time I developed a proprietary solution to connect up com objects to a j2ee server, guess what happens, I get a call from a microsoft goon one day trying to buy full rights to the code...why? Not because they wanted to use it but because they wanted to bury it.
How about foxpro? oops they bought that out and buried it, best and fastest desktop database ever made.
How about visual studio, pretty nice tool but if you use it long enough you will start to find the artifical walls put up to drive you further to their platform. Easy stuff is easy in visual studio, soon as you want to push the edge you run into some bug, or artificial wall put in your way.
Nope, best thing I ever did is remove them from my personal and professional life.
Mod him up, you are exactly right although I prefer the tcp/modbus beckman controllers in any case a linux box, a little python mod bus and you can build some pretty sophisticated stuff.
A while back I was looking to melt some for cheap zink.
As it turns out the best way to tell the difference when sorting is to bounce them on a table. Give it a try the zink pennies have a different ring to them then the copper ones. It would be fairly easy to create a sorter that used a sound signature to sort them.
Neither MS or Novell control our software, only we control our software. It is a hard lesson that many companies need to learn, they are not in control the developers are ultimately in control. The minute you alienate the developers in this type of environment you have already set up your ultimate demise.
Being a good little Winder's admin you go ahead and encrypt everything from the clients to the server by selecting mapi encrypting....all well and good but if the exchange server sends it off site it is still fully accessible.
Come on how many enterprises have you stepped into that have mapi encryption set? It is not enabled by default and each and every client has to be configured...never seen it enabled in any enterprise, yes it can be enabled but no one ever does it.
Man you must be one of those MCSE smart feller's...
Trust me if it goes across the wire I can be read. Domain Admins also generally have full access to client workstations and installing a key logger or screen reader would be damn trivial even if I had to code my own from scratch. Generally speaking I would not have to go through all that trouble a mirrored port in the switch and a trusty linux box is all that is required.
How can AOL even say that the account was confirmed to have downloaded music? A list of ip address's even if they link to a account does not mean squat. You have to somehow have captured the packet stream and reassemble it to say it is a confirmed download. Does AOL intercept and store every packet going through their network?...I kind of doubt that. I know of course I could do just that but I would have to know who to target for the capture as there is no way to find something like that unless I was targeting a specific user. If I where told that AOL did target the individual I think then I would look to see if the targeting was a authorized wire tap and if it was not get the whole thing throwed out for illegal wiretapping, then in turn sue AOL for doing so....Interesting case should be fun to watch this play out.
No thank you, what happens when they sell a couple of copies then go under. I am then stuck with some libraries I cannot modify or upgrade and a application that will have to then be redone from scratch. I don't care how fancy your wiz bang cool ui generator is, if I do not have the code it is definitely not going into my app.
I cannot say that I was really shocked as a matter of fact without knowing many details of the system it just further confirmed my suspicions. I can think of at least dozen more ways to exploit the system.
Take for instance that latest unpatched windows vulnerability that showed a few days ago. Say somebody writes a worm using it that propogates a modified aodb driver that modifies sql commands on the fly. It is extrememly likely that one could infect a fair number of these gems tabulation machines just as a casualty of jacking one into the network. I could of course write such a thing, would I? No I would not, but if I can write it then there are thousands more that could and it only takes one with a motive to really mess with things.
I am a programmer and live a great deal of my life behind a keyboard but the last thing I want is any these machines responsible for vote counting.
I can bet with near 100% certainty that I could walk into nearly any enterprise network, jack into the core on a mirrored port and find at least a few owned machines. If you are on a windows network and the clients have access to the internet there are some that are compromised...period. It takes constant monitoring and even then you are performing damage control. Keep your internal secuirty policies tight this will help to reduce the risk slightly.
I see this as another strike at redhat and a very crafty way to do so. Suse linux has a much smaller market share but they are hoping to get redhat customers to jump I think. Once that happens they will yank the rug out and leave them sitting.
I know quite a few poll workers and I don't know any of them that I would trust to be able to turn on a machine much less anything else more technical that needed to be done with one.
Problem is the best ones are already employed, if you want the best be prepared to pay. I am very happy where I am but I have a 10-15% rule if anyone can match my benefits, insurance, work environment and I don't have to touch a blasted windows machine and beat my pay by 10-15%...I jump in a heartbeat...
The popularity of your web site has absolutely no bearing at all on my decision. Hell google's president could call and beg me tomorrow but if he cannot put up the dough I would hang up on him in a second. That and I am not about to take a beating on my cost of living by having to move to the west coast just to program on your fancy web site which I do over a ssh connection anyhow.
I actually jumped two versions breezy to dapper then edgy all in one shot. I lost the desktop when upgrading from breezy to dapper but just apt-get installed the desktop package and everything was all back to normal.
So how many programmers should be hearded up and sent to Gitmo? I don't know many programmers that could not reproduce that application in under a hour. Now of course most of us are not going to post it an flaunt it to the world, but then again a terrorist would not either.
He did not show a single tactic that any "real coder" does not already know. In fact he missed many other attack vectors that are just as easy to exploit.
Not sure about vista but I upgraded my amd 64 umbuntu desktop at work from breezy to dapper and then dapper to edgy today and all it cost was a little bandwidth. On top of that I was still working using the desktop I was upgrading "talk about productivity".
Yea but the guy that obtained the video is probably locked up in gitmo never to see the light of day for aiding terrorist. The president can now just say "hey he is a terrorist", lock him up and throw away the key.
I had the opportunity to participate in the beta for OneCare (wasn't hard, they offered it free, and I liked that idea, since people were inevitably going to ask me about it).
That was the only line anyone had to read in your post. Yes they offered it free, do the other vendors give it to you for free. Which is easier to install one care or something else. I am sure as in all other software they will use the platform to obtain the most market share thus killing off the competitors.
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Personally I think most people here a very good reasons to hate them. I wrote windows software exclusively for over 7 years and still do on occasion. Over the course of those 7 years they did many things that drove me not quite to the point of hatred but more of a awakining. Little stuff like how can I code against the shell? Well it took years for them to disclose that information so that we could add simple extensions to the shell. I am not sure they even disclosed it somebody probably had to reverse engineer the api. They keep all this little stuff to themselves for their own benefit and to lock out competitors. IE oh yea there is another one, they linked that piece of crap into every developer tool, shell everywhere they could stick it not to help me out as a developer but to dominate the browser market. Took their advice, yea make everything run on transaction server it is the greatest, what now I have a ton of shit running on one and transcation server has been dropped.
Once upon a time I developed a proprietary solution to connect up com objects to a j2ee server, guess what happens, I get a call from a microsoft goon one day trying to buy full rights to the
code...why? Not because they wanted to use it but because they wanted to bury it.
How about foxpro? oops they bought that out and buried it, best and fastest desktop database ever
made.
How about visual studio, pretty nice tool but if you use it long enough you will start to find the
artifical walls put up to drive you further to their platform. Easy stuff is easy in visual studio, soon as you want to push the edge you run into some bug, or artificial wall put in your way.
Nope, best thing I ever did is remove them from my personal and professional life.
Mod him up, you are exactly right although I prefer the tcp/modbus beckman controllers in any case a linux box, a little python mod bus and you can build some pretty sophisticated stuff.
A while back I was looking to melt some for cheap zink.
As it turns out the best way to tell the difference when sorting is to bounce them on a table. Give it a try
the zink pennies have a different ring to them then the copper ones. It would be fairly easy to create a sorter that used a sound signature to sort them.
Good deal this will kill it off, at least on my network....could not be happier unless of course they raised
it to say $100 for all calls.
Neither MS or Novell control our software, only we control our software. It is a hard lesson that many companies need to learn, they are not in control the developers are ultimately in control. The minute you alienate the developers in this type of environment you have already set up your ultimate demise.
Hacking a DOD system in 60 seconds all while getting a hummer from a hot blond and a revolver pointed to your head....now that gent's is a hacker..
You Winder's boys are just too good...
Being a good little Winder's admin you go ahead and encrypt everything from the clients
to the server by selecting mapi encrypting....all well and good but if the exchange server
sends it off site it is still fully accessible.
Come on how many enterprises have you stepped into that have mapi encryption set? It is not enabled by default and each and every client has to be configured...never seen it enabled in any enterprise, yes it can be enabled but no one ever does it.
Man you must be one of those MCSE smart feller's...
Trust me if it goes across the wire I can be read. Domain Admins also generally have full access to client workstations and installing a key logger or screen reader would be damn trivial even if I had to code my own from scratch. Generally speaking I would not have to go through all that trouble a mirrored port in the switch and a trusty linux box is all that is required.
How can AOL even say that the account was confirmed to have downloaded music? A list of ip address's even if they link to a account does not mean squat. You have to somehow have captured
the packet stream and reassemble it to say it is a confirmed download. Does AOL intercept and
store every packet going through their network?...I kind of doubt that. I know of course I could do just that but I would have to know who to target for the capture as there is no way to find something like that unless I was targeting a specific user. If I where told that AOL did target
the individual I think then I would look to see if the targeting was a authorized wire tap and if it was not get the whole thing throwed out for illegal wiretapping, then in turn sue AOL for doing so....Interesting case should be fun to watch this play out.
No thank you, what happens when they sell a couple of copies then go under. I am then stuck with some libraries I cannot modify or upgrade and a application that will have to then be redone from scratch. I don't care how fancy your wiz bang cool ui generator is, if I do not have the code it is definitely not going into my app.
Now something about this really puts a smile on my face, and I could care less about gaming.
I cannot say that I was really shocked as a matter of fact without knowing many details of the system it just further confirmed my suspicions. I can think of at least dozen more ways to exploit the system.
Take for instance that latest unpatched windows vulnerability that showed a few days ago. Say somebody writes a worm using it that propogates a modified aodb driver that modifies sql commands on the fly. It is extrememly likely that one could infect a fair number of these gems tabulation machines just as a casualty of jacking one into the network. I could of course write such a thing, would I? No I would not, but if I can write it then there are thousands more that could and it only takes one with a motive to really mess with things.
I am a programmer and live a great deal of my life behind a keyboard but the last thing I want is any these machines responsible for vote counting.
I can bet with near 100% certainty that I could walk into nearly any enterprise network, jack into the core on a mirrored port and find at least a few owned machines. If you are on a windows network and the clients have access to the internet there are some that are compromised...period. It takes constant monitoring and even then you are performing damage control. Keep your internal secuirty policies tight this will help to reduce the risk slightly.
I see this as another strike at redhat and a very crafty way to do so. Suse linux has a much smaller market share but they are hoping to get redhat customers to jump I think. Once that happens they will yank the rug out and leave them sitting.
I know quite a few poll workers and I don't know any of them that I would trust to be
able to turn on a machine much less anything else more technical that needed to be done
with one.
Problem is the best ones are already employed, if you want the best be prepared to pay. I am very happy where I am but I have a 10-15% rule if anyone can match my benefits, insurance, work environment and I don't have to touch a blasted windows machine and beat my pay by 10-15%...I jump in a heartbeat...
The popularity of your web site has absolutely no bearing at all on my decision. Hell google's president could call and beg me tomorrow but if he cannot put up the dough I would hang up on him in a second. That and I am not about to
take a beating on my cost of living by having to move to the west coast just to program on your fancy web site which I do over a ssh connection anyhow.
I actually jumped two versions breezy to dapper then edgy all in one shot. I lost the desktop
when upgrading from breezy to dapper but just apt-get installed the desktop package and everything was all back to normal.
So how many programmers should be hearded up and sent to Gitmo? I don't know many programmers that could not reproduce that application in under a hour. Now of course most of us are not going to post it an flaunt it to the world, but then again a terrorist would not either.
He did not show a single tactic that any "real coder" does not already know. In fact he missed many other attack vectors that are just as easy to exploit.
Not sure about vista but I upgraded my amd 64 umbuntu desktop at work from breezy to dapper and then dapper to edgy today and all it cost was a little bandwidth. On top of that I was still working
using the desktop I was upgrading "talk about productivity".
Yea but the guy that obtained the video is probably locked up in gitmo never to see the light
of day for aiding terrorist. The president can now just say "hey he is a terrorist", lock him up
and throw away the key.
I had the opportunity to participate in the beta for OneCare (wasn't hard, they offered it free, and I liked that idea, since people were inevitably going to ask me about it).
That was the only line anyone had to read in your post. Yes they offered it free, do the other vendors give it to you for free. Which is easier to install one care or something else. I am sure as in all other software they will use the platform to obtain the most market share thus killing off the competitors.
why not use encrypted steganography, probably even harder to deal with?
I certainly agree with you, actually the party affiliation thing does not work and needs to be done away with
completely.