Not being an expert (IANAL) I couldn't tell if the law dose or dosn't say what is clammed. However rember who is making the clame.. chances are good the source is full of it..
If this WAS the correct translation of the law then I submit the music industry is using an obsolte busness modle and needs such laws to stay alive.
We should not be passing laws just to keep an industry healthy. The music industry of all things makes bulkloads of money they can afford some losses.
I'm not saying it should be legal to distribute mp3 files of music but that it shouldn't be illegal to make mp3s to start with or illegal to produce digital quality recording hardware for the avrage user. This is sickning.. I could build a portable digital quality recorder and do all kinds of things with it out of parts from radio shack but Sony who could build a robot dog can not build the same device I could.
Fine arrest the bad guys but quit trying to make the tools illegal...
I submit this isn't what the law says and they can not buy someone to make a law to do that. So they have to make it up. Fear of the law is good enough.
If you can not keep your industry afloat with out making it illegal for me make a trival effort (such as build a simple tool) then I submit your industry should die...
I don't think the music industry would die. I think it would suffer as it enters a transformation stage. But music is mostly the preformence not the reproduction. Eah? Ok that last comment was a bit confusing... Basicly musicians are paid preformers.. actors of music if you like... and they have a fandom With computer software it's cold logic. What dose it matter if I get an offical CD of GameGob or a copy. Besides the GameGob people losing money.. nothing. But a copy of Jethro Tull just isn't Tull.. It never will be Tull unless you have the offical original. Otherwise it's just a copy. Fans are FANatics. "Jethro Tull" BTW is a band I like a lot:)
In a similer vain... Why buy RedHat for $40 when you can buy the CD for $5. CheapBytes sells Linux CDs for around $5 when the original distros sell for around $40. Yet people are not climbing over each other to buy the (perficly legal) $5 CDs of RedHat. Why? People want to have that RedHat CD. If there was an offical Linus distrobution I suspect people would fork it over for a CD. The prize of having the offical CD is importent. Fans are willing to pay the price.
The music industry is worryed that it will have the same problems the computer idustry had. Yet high quality recording hardware producing near master reproduction has not effected the music industry much. I doupt digital recording hardware will distory them. If it could then they are dead allready. Such tolls are trivial to produce.
In the end I think it is a matter of paranoia running the gambet. They see the money they are losing.. The problem is they don't see the damage they are doing. They see napster and see a toll for piracy, they see an attempt to play DVDs on Linux and see piracy, they see digital recorders and they see piracy. Someone becomes telepathic and they see piracy... You get the idea?
No more laws protecting obsolete busness modles. Stagnation is death... let those who will not adpt.. DIE!!!
In the past technology was universal supported by the users before it was considered standard. Now the game isn't universal support but universal deployment. With universal deployment you get your technology so widely used that anyone NOT supporting it is issolated.. cutoff..
This is a bad situation... and with Verisign/Network Solutions it could get even worse.
In the past the best free solution survived and non-free solutions died.
If the protocal was free thats good... if it's free and documented thats better, free documented and implemented in free (as in beer) software.. better... free documnted and open sourced.. even better... but best of all... documented, open sourced, and public domain... no clame of ownership whatsoever... Documenation in source is more imortent than documenation in text.. documentation in both is even better...
Today you just make sure anyone who dosn't support you gets issolated. In this way you force your way in the market.
There is no boycott of a company that controls a market...
If this dose happen this may spell the end of an open Internet. No new operating systems may join... You must use Linux, Windows, MacOs or Unix. Even if it's not narrowed down to one os.. thats not a good thing.
Yes and Slashdot.org was originally a hobby not a busness:) Before Slasdot went commertal someone snagged up the.com... Still Slashdot.com points to Slashdot.org in the same way OpenSSH.org points to the original site
Just by grepping what was already said here is what I think of this situation...
We have no idea what the.org guy plans to do. The OpenSSH people planned to use the.org domain.. after all it's an open source project so it belongs on.org. However like anyone prepaired to deal with net squatters they grap.com,.net and.org.. Here comes the nasty part...
Someone else notices the.com domaim go up and for reasons yet unknown (Let me hazard a guess.. he thinks he is seeing a domain squater in progress) he grabs the.org... It is not clear how or why the.org guy got his domain BEFORE OpenSSH got it..
Now the OpenSSH people make contact with the.org guy... He dosn't respond. Why? There are a number of posable reasons.
Now basicly the OpenSSH people are being "Resonably paranoid" Boycott? Thats an odd use of the term to be honnest.. Just use openssh.com instead of openssh.org... Thats hardly a boycott... Just don't use the.org domain as the motivation and purpous are unknown at this time... and it's better to error on the side of safty... As for a boycott.. Don't... If someone responsable for the.org site is selling something don't take arms and boycott it... just don't use/advertise the stupid.org domain..
Just stay away from the.org site... it's a redirector and any website you visit.. even redirectors... gather some useful stats... Nothing dangerous like e-mail addresses or... COOKIES ARE GOING TO KILL YOU ALL.. or evil web viruses.. Or some how getting you on Santas "Bad" list (I bribe him every year so I stay on his good list)... Just some statistics he really has no right to anyway... His reason for it? It may be some perverse game, he isn't ready to sell or he thinks the.com people are squatters... who knows...
>that is why i became a troll, because of poor moderation. Thanks to you it will only get WORSE... What are you expecting here? That someone is going to notice the bad moderation? How can they when you are providing such a HUGE distraction.
You should be complainning about the bad moderation INSTEAD of trolling... With all this trolling going on you just look like a bunch of cry babys becouse your trolls get modded down... and if it really is that bad that you can not get anything done... there are plenty of other weblogs... Including my own...where your voice can be heard... presumming of course you really are victoms of bad moderation.. I use the "erase bad posts by hand" tactic instead of relying on moderators..
DO NOT I repeate DO NOT become a troll to protest bad moderators... They exist and that IS what M2 is for... That is also what e-mailing Rob "CmderTaco" Mulda is for... While you are "troll" you are a +2 troll... How did that happen? I can be a +1 troll at best... unless... yes.. you got modded UP!!! Not once not twice but THREE TIMES (once to counter the mod -1) and posably more to account for bad mods -1.
As you go around and notice all the bad moderation where moderators mod up or down based on opinions.. in the mean time other moderators are busy moderating the trolls.. the REAL trolls.. You'll also see bad moderation on the trolls themselfs.. people moding UP "first post" as well as modding down relevent matereal.
M2 dosn't mean you can not complaint to CmdrTaco it just means if no one dose something is likely to happen anyway...
Right now it seems there are some bad moderators who have learnned to dodge M2. Those people need to lose moderation. Finnaly and totally....
But trolling dosn't help.. it just pulls away good moderators while the bad ones play there tyrany games... And it makes Rob "CmdrTaco" Mulda think we need MORE moderation.... MORE bad moderators.. MORE of this same crud....
If you want to demonstrate a need to re-evaluate the current policys show that they are failling don't show that <B>more is needed</B>. If you want rid of the moderation STOP TROLLING and get other trolls to stop and START e-mail....
PS. I can take a Karma hit I've got more Karma than Signal:) muahahahaha
>and would like to pretend that all companies that are massively successful will somehow transform all who use them into slaves so the company
Dose that mean that Slashdot and Andover is evil?
Be a tad realistic... not everyone on Slashdot is calling for the heads of the CEOs of every major corp. The complaints (when there are complaints) are generally valid (open to argument but not "wealthy therefor evil" arguments)
On one side you do have "Eat the rich" mentality and on the other side you have the "might makes right" mentality.. both are wrong... Being a sycophant you start defending corprate villens... Being a Zelot you attack every generous deed. You end up paranoid eather way you go. "X" is allways right and "Y" is allways wrong..
In reality you need to do a case by case assesment... Not everything Microsoft dose is evil... Not every move by a corperation is monopolistic... that is a far cry from saying Microsoft is ALLWAYS right or that everyone with money is a good guy... It just happends.. some times evil.. some times not... You can not work at extreams.
The same goes for Slashdot.. There is no hive mind here... there is caose.. and that caose is a good thing. Diverse views and diverse opinions... That also means that there is a vocal selection of posters who fervently attack or defend Microsoft and/or anyone with money. While they exist they are not everyone.. they are individuals who have selected to think in extreams. Thats sad when that happends but it dose happen.
What about the time Barnes & Noble sued to try to stop Amazon from calling itself "the world's largest bookstore" because they didn't have a brick-and-mortar presence
This has more to do with Amazons clame to having more books than anyone else. They no longer make this clame.
As for the idea that B&N would have gotten the patent if Amazon didn't... Maybe... and maybe thats exactly why it should have never been issued... However if B&N had gotten the patent they would have (of course) sued Amazon.. They would have been demonised for it... and clammed things would be worse if Amazon got the patent... in short nothing would be diffrent... Still corprate giants going after each other...
If Amazons real intent was to protect themselfs from B&N they wouldn't have bothered to use the patent. Just stuff it away so B&N can not clame it. As it is Amazon is in a battle with B&N protecting a patent that Amazon admits should have never been issued....
Yes the patent office is defective and needs a huge amount of work but the person who abuses it can not be held blameless
You need to give a company a very good reason to open source anything. Far to many see open sourcing as "giving it away" and in short it is... They see binary only as a way to control the program (this is a flawed idea.. any cracker can decompile binarys and examin the results for flaws.. or any coder could do same and see how it was done)
They also give up the right to slap down anyone who trys to distribute the source and/or binarys.. All they can do is go after anyone who distributes binarys and no source.
There are a lot of neat market modles that work well but thats asking a bit of a radical change. Let it stay as long as they feel they can compeate the old way... and right now open sourcing dose not automaticly open up any markets.
Question: Dose the code to be openned enhance/premote an existing product by the same company... If this is the case then openning the source just makes it better and better. The company still has a closed source product and everyone is happy
Question: Is there a proffit made from the product?
If a company is losing money on a product they can chouse to fight it out and hope for the best or they can open source the product and get some publicity for other products.
Question: Is the program free anyway...
Premotional closed source isn't nearly as effective as premotional open source... It dose mean you'll never terminate the premotional piriod but it also means no one can terminate the premotion. Even better.. if a compeditor makes a commertal copy (eyeball and rewrite) of your premotional code.. normally you'll just get pushed into obscurity while the comeditor rakes it in... with open source everyone supports you for being the inovator and you get even more premotion as the guys who did it first and "did it better" (even if you didn't.... open source bies is THICK some times.. thats a good thing BTW.. it needs to be.. open source as a premotional tool needs to be better than TV ads.. and right now it's better than that big football event thingy.. the supper somthing... the super troll???)
Basicly anything you "Give away" has your name attached and as a result is premotional...
So what if they can not benifit from open source (in a way that is easy to understand) You could try anyway:) There are many arguments for open sourcing however unless there are some clearly visable benifits (visable by the boss not by you) you are facing an uphill battle.. but if your up to it... fight on:)
You can allways go for liccensed source... This is something that has been around for a very long time... You ask that they sign a simi-restrictive non-disclosure. I stress simi-restrictive.... You WANT your custummers to distribute upgrades and patches... As well as just document tricks and tecniques... and the occasional bugfix is allways a good thing...:)
Buying up names is the WRONG way to defend company names. However it is cheap sence there are so few domain names to buy up. All you have to do is buy up *.com *.org and *.net and you are relitivly safe... You may need to buy one in each nation for compleate protection but thats not a big deal. The correct tactic is to sue... Yes a lot of stupid lawsutes exist by any company who thinks it can bully someone around or anyone looking for a quick buck. But with lawsutes there is still a matter or right and wrong. You don't automaticly win.. you have to prove your case. The other side has a chance to challange you. So say a spoof site at www.microsoft.org... not gona happen as Microsoft probably owns it allready... With buying up domains you make sure NO ONE has it. There is no judge... no judgement... you have the domain... The most commen argument is really stupid anyway... You can ignore a cybersquater... He wants to sell you your name for what?? $2,000? $2,000,000? Dosn't matter... he dosn't own the name... If you can afford the domain you can afford a lawyer to send off one of those famous "polite letters" that basicly say "Cut it out or your TOAST" I'm all for this... the whole idea of buying up domains is repugnet to me anyway.. it encurages cybersquatting... says it's lagit.. when it's not. While companys who are not yet on-line get there domains bought up.... www.NotYetOnTheNet.com comes on and finds the domain for sale for insain amounts of money... they can fork it over or sue... The more companys that sue the fewer people will attempt this scam...
I think this guy is has a really really bad memory.. After all this happend 10 years ago. But this guy seems to have taken all kinds of unrelated BBS raids and placed them all at SJG. This was a long time ago and a lot of strange things did happen. Getting tagged for software piracy becouse you tossed the manual is one example (It's how you turn a software theft case from 3 illegal copys to 50 illegal copys.. Turnning a nieve user with 3 illegal programs into a collection of illegal software)
The trend in law right now is a horrific one. Tools are tools even tools to break the law...
Humans are increadable.... they have this strange ability to make any tool they need. Banning a tool takes it out of the hands of Mr.GoodPerson and lets Mr.BadPerson know what tools he needs to construct.
In the mean time.. while we make all thies tools illegal... aren't we then blaming the tool and not the criminal? It's ok tommy.. the nasty tool made you evil...
Eventually it will be perfictly legal to copy anything you'd like... it's the tools fault
I rember universitys trying to ban any computer running Linux.
The basic argument was that it could be cracked (rooted) (they'd use the word "Hacked") and used to send spam or distribute porn. However there was a long list of strange arguments based on the idea that computers have elfs living in them and Linux makes them evil elfs.
Users would disable/remove sendmail, telnetd, ftpd and apachy nullifying the "cracker porn spam" argument. In many cases they would scan for Linux systems. Not for server ports or services they were worryed about just the operating system. As a result they would miss all the Windows Website/FTP servers serving off porn and shut down anyone running Linux.
Now I don't know much of anything about it personally becouse I never had that problem:) Still I have read a great deal about it over usenet and on IRC... Is this still happening? Did it ever really happen? Are the Linux elfs still evil?
Anyway it came down to bandwith use. I guess they could blame bandwith waist on anything someone dosn't like. I don't like Windows.. it waist bandwith.. we ban it.... I don't like AoL websites.. they waist bandwith... we ban them.... I don't like (insert software title here) it waists bandwith... we ban it...
I don't like anil admin who band software becouse it's on the populare ban list... anil admin probes and notices waist bandwith.... you get the picture:)
The people doing this thing.. SANS... Seem to have industreal stringth clue.. at least to me:)
Anyway I submit that Linux advocates should attend this as well as admin... It is useful to have a well rounded understanding of the real security issues (as apposed to FUD) of Unix in general and Windows... This will put you in a position of explainning the real security issues vs the science fiction of people mistereously having access to some computer after downloading the source code to same.
A well informed IT will know that security defects are located and repaired within Linux all the time. If you don't fix thies bugs some script kiddy will make use of them.
An IT dosn't want to update software every day. He'd rather go with something that dosn't put such a workload on him. So he'd go with closed source as crackers don't have source code to aid them. However decompilers have existed for years and as such a cracker can have source code for any program he desires. It dosn't recompile mind you but a cracker dosn't care about recompiling as long as he can discover and exploit a defect.
If your going to argue the value of Linux it will be nessisary to understand the issues as well as the guy who allready knows all the security issues. If you can not explain how security by obscurity is a farce you won't get very far.
And thats not the only issue... You should understand getting root vs getting admin... and be able to explain how to address any given Linux security issue as well as demonstrate how using Windows dosn't dodge the ball.
This is funny.. Some moderators out there think CmdrTaco is a trool:) No really he mentions during the "2000 beanies awards"... www.thesync.com I belive the RealVideo can be downloaded from "Geeks in space" on the sync.
It makes sence when you think about it... The avrage post deserves a mod 1... but ACs posts default to mod 0.. so the avrage ho hum post gets modded up... considering the shear number of AC posts and that the majority are pritty good and deserving of atleast mod 1... So yeah... AC is the ultimate Karma Whore:) and a pritty dang successful one too:)
We have a clear and obveous faker here... http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=userinfo&nick=he mos. [Hemos.] is not http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=userinfo&nick=he mos [Hemos] It's the same prank pulled on Bruce Perens a while back...
Looks like we have some FakerDots to contend with... (FakerDots meaning dot behind the nick not meaning SlashDot fakers.. Just wanted to make it clear where my mem comes from):)
He's not giving Hemos any kind of bad name... (that is quite posabily the objective however) he is a clear and obveous faker and we can all see him for what he is...
Byond that I'm in total agreement with your sentiment... especally the rock comment
I (with half a million other people... ohh how inovative I am.. yep I admit to being an eLemming.com guy) started to set up yet annother on-line mall. I had my own twist on the idea (you have to or you die.. copy cats don't work to well.. need to understand what your doing and just copying people is a bad thing) no patents or anything (inovate or die.. patents or not). So I.. like many... expected hell to freaze over before something like one click shopping got a patent...
Well shortly after I started setting things up.. Hell got a little colder... I could go toe to toe with a Microsoft WebMall if I had to.. Anyway I didn't need a strong market share to make a proffit (my proffit moddle allowed for a huge amount of problems and still show a proffit... I spell like crud but where math is conserned I'm quite good)... But I didn't take into acount strange patents like THIS... Come on people give us time to develup some "prior art" before you start granting patents... gezz... At this rate Amazon with patent MY SPELLING... Oh wait.. I have years of prior art.. no worrys:)
Anyway... the eLemming.com guys (like myself) quickly realised.. wait a second... Amazon is being issued patents on generic ideas.. I can not afford to fight a patent lawsute and I can not afford to dramaticly change my busness modle in mid swing just to accomidate a stupid patent.... What do I do?
Well Amazons patents are in the eCommerce area.. Yes Amazon is becomming more and more a portal but still an eCommerce portal... Selling everything under the sun(sparc)... So the safeist move is to do whats allready been done for a LONG TIME... Like let Yahoo fight a prior art battle for you...
So basicly people are just copying existing sucesses becouse a. Lest risky.. b. Prior art. c. Well eBay has the whole online auction thing tied up anyway...
Oh me???? Blah... I'm going to experement for a while.. see what I like and see if I can not come up with something new and unqiue over time... For the time being I'm making "yet annother weblog" for rants.. as a friend says "Whos goina read that" "Nobody..." Just something for code practace.. nothing more... get up to speed so when I'm ready to do something real I'm ready to do it full speed...
The Internet news sources are far from up to speed. CNN.com is basicly the best news source I have found and it is simply skimming the headlines.
I get my local news from www.hotcoco.com not much more than a reprint of a local newspaper.. and I read the newspaper that runs it... Contra Costa Times...
It will be a while before Internet news can really replace newspapers... It has the potental for depth of any given subject.. but that depth is unexplored.
On the other hand... I don't watch TV anymore... TV news dose have the advantage of bringing the news quicker... The Internet can do this as well but I don't see it happening yet... It would be nice to see some rapid and indepth reporting done on the Internet... it can be done... a Quicky rapid.. and maybe at the end of the day a detailed indepth...
The news media outlets know what we want they simply need to learn how to deliver it... Slashdot is a good example of one delivery system... I saw a nice Java applet that dose a good job (Ug Java is evil... puke Java evil.. ok enough of that) such news tickers offer headlines... offering thies to websites is a good idea.... Also <a href="http://slashdot.org/code.shtml">Slashdot</a> let's websites carry headlines from Slashdot over.. porviding a link back to Slashdot... it's more effective than banner adds:)
As everyone discovers how to use the Internet for news delivery they will expand the covrage of the news available. As they cover more users they'll offer more content.
Of course the talkback feature on Slashdot is a huge hit and a plus for ANY news agentcy... Forget media bies.... When people can post replys directly to any given news story Media bies is no longer an issue.. instead of one leading bies the readers end up being exposed to every posable bies under the sun... So instead of zero bies (a very hard mesure to achive with out slicing valuable information) you get EVERY bies.. No one agenda takes over... and the masses are informmed:)
Visit any given libary and chances are the "offensive" matereal blocked by the software is available in hardbound form somewhere in the libary.
In the mean time the software also blocks valuable information rendering the libarys Internet access pritty much useless for anything.
The libary has a responsability to provide information the parent has the responsability to not take there kid to the libary to start with if they want to keep them isolated and ignorent...
Noble cause.. however eating Vegan dose not mean eating healthy and this is a morality choice not a health option... You CAN eat healthy by eating Vegan but getting what you need to be healthy is a great deal easyer when you include animal products in your diet...
I don't mind the Vegan philosophy so much. Some vegitarian philosopher suggested if you can not handle watching your food be made you shouldn't eat it. Sounds reasonable enough. I however CAN watch meat get killed cut up processed and packed and not have any problems with it. I look at ground beef and I can not help but see it as ground up flesh. This has never effected my diet (I wish it did.. I could stand to lose some weight). I take the ground up flesh cook up something to eat and I am fine with it. If you can not do the same... then do not eat meat.
I don't care about being helthy.. I just want my CmdrTacos:)
It's not really even Linuxes fault that it's hard to install. Installing ANYTHING on PC isn't going to be very easy.
Corel has allready solved much of the problem by making some nice gui install tools.
But that isn't going to get past the fact that the PC was designed expecting a computer expert to install Dos.
There was no consideration for the posability someone might want to install more than one operating system on one computer or that a user may wish to install something other than a CP/M like operating system and certenly no thought put to having an avrage jo do the installation.
Also some of the features that make Windows "easy" such as Plug and play should be done from a new design rather than added on to an existing design.
Linux could overcome this problem with a system designed with Linux in mind. As far as I know NetWinder and other Linux based computers do not have CDrom drives for easy installation/upgrade of Linux.. But then I guess with Linux preinstalled it isn't much of an issue is it.....
I partly agree with this... Linux is very easy to use (to spite clames to otherwise) but difficult to learn. A lot of people do confuse the diffrence between "learn" and "use".. Quite simply... an operating system that is hard to use is hard to use for everyone. The only way around this is to install utilitys that are easyer than the ones that come with the operating system. However an operating system that is hard to learn can be overcome by simply learnning...
Windows is hard to use but easy to learn. The system utilitys pacaged with Windows are a bit to generic. They are all useful but do little to no handholding and demand the user do things by hand. When Windows dose do handholding it dose so by guessing what the user wants and usually it's wrong so even in this case it's just getting in the way.
In order to make Windows easyer for me I end up downloading and installing DosNix.. a pacage of Dos utilitys that give Dos Unix commands. Being allready familure with Unix I have no learnning curve to worry about:)
I'm not saying Linux is for the masses.. Hardly the case... I'm just saying Windows isn't much better... The avrage user should stay away from both. Given a choice between the two I'd opt for Linux over Windows... A one time learnning curve isn't as distructive to productivity as not having the utilitys for the job.
Mac by the way is easy to use easy to learn and quite powerful.. and this is my recomendation for the avrage user...
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Not being an expert (IANAL) I couldn't tell if the law dose or dosn't say what is clammed.
:)
However rember who is making the clame.. chances are good the source is full of it..
If this WAS the correct translation of the law then I submit the music industry is using an obsolte busness modle and needs such laws to stay alive.
We should not be passing laws just to keep an industry healthy. The music industry of all things makes bulkloads of money they can afford some losses.
I'm not saying it should be legal to distribute mp3 files of music but that it shouldn't be illegal to make mp3s to start with or illegal to produce digital quality recording hardware for the avrage user.
This is sickning.. I could build a portable digital quality recorder and do all kinds of things with it out of parts from radio shack but Sony who could build a robot dog can not build the same device I could.
Fine arrest the bad guys but quit trying to make the tools illegal...
I submit this isn't what the law says and they can not buy someone to make a law to do that. So they have to make it up. Fear of the law is good enough.
If you can not keep your industry afloat with out making it illegal for me make a trival effort (such as build a simple tool) then I submit your industry should die...
I don't think the music industry would die. I think it would suffer as it enters a transformation stage. But music is mostly the preformence not the reproduction.
Eah? Ok that last comment was a bit confusing...
Basicly musicians are paid preformers.. actors of music if you like... and they have a fandom
With computer software it's cold logic. What dose it matter if I get an offical CD of GameGob or a copy. Besides the GameGob people losing money.. nothing. But a copy of Jethro Tull just isn't Tull.. It never will be Tull unless you have the offical original. Otherwise it's just a copy. Fans are FANatics.
"Jethro Tull" BTW is a band I like a lot
In a similer vain...
Why buy RedHat for $40 when you can buy the CD for $5. CheapBytes sells Linux CDs for around $5 when the original distros sell for around $40. Yet people are not climbing over each other to buy the (perficly legal) $5 CDs of RedHat.
Why? People want to have that RedHat CD. If there was an offical Linus distrobution I suspect people would fork it over for a CD.
The prize of having the offical CD is importent. Fans are willing to pay the price.
The music industry is worryed that it will have the same problems the computer idustry had. Yet high quality recording hardware producing near master reproduction has not effected the music industry much. I doupt digital recording hardware will distory them. If it could then they are dead allready. Such tolls are trivial to produce.
In the end I think it is a matter of paranoia running the gambet. They see the money they are losing.. The problem is they don't see the damage they are doing. They see napster and see a toll for piracy, they see an attempt to play DVDs on Linux and see piracy, they see digital recorders and they see piracy. Someone becomes telepathic and they see piracy...
You get the idea?
No more laws protecting obsolete busness modles. Stagnation is death... let those who will not adpt.. DIE!!!
In the past technology was universal supported by the users before it was considered standard. Now the game isn't universal support but universal deployment.
.. better... free documnted and open sourced.. even better... but best of all ... documented, open sourced, and public domain... no clame of ownership whatsoever...
With universal deployment you get your technology so widely used that anyone NOT supporting it is issolated.. cutoff..
This is a bad situation... and with Verisign/Network Solutions it could get even worse.
In the past the best free solution survived and non-free solutions died.
If the protocal was free thats good... if it's free and documented thats better, free documented and implemented in free (as in beer) software
Documenation in source is more imortent than documenation in text.. documentation in both is even better...
Today you just make sure anyone who dosn't support you gets issolated. In this way you force your way in the market.
There is no boycott of a company that controls a market...
If this dose happen this may spell the end of an open Internet.
No new operating systems may join... You must use Linux, Windows, MacOs or Unix. Even if it's not narrowed down to one os.. thats not a good thing.
Yes and Slashdot.org was originally a hobby not a busness :) .com...
Before Slasdot went commertal someone snagged up the
Still Slashdot.com points to Slashdot.org in the same way OpenSSH.org points to the original site
Just by grepping what was already said here is what I think of this situation...
.org guy plans to do. .org domain.. after all it's an open source project so it belongs on .org. However like anyone prepaired to deal with net squatters they grap .com,.net and .org.. Here comes the nasty part...
.com domaim go up and for reasons yet unknown (Let me hazard a guess.. he thinks he is seeing a domain squater in progress) he grabs the .org... .org guy got his domain BEFORE OpenSSH got it..
.org guy... He dosn't respond. Why? There are a number of posable reasons.
.org domain as the motivation and purpous are unknown at this time... and it's better to error on the side of safty... .org site is selling something don't take arms and boycott it... just don't use/advertise the stupid .org domain..
.org site... it's a redirector and any website you visit.. even redirectors... gather some useful stats... .com people are squatters... who knows...
We have no idea what the
The OpenSSH people planned to use the
Someone else notices the
It is not clear how or why the
Now the OpenSSH people make contact with the
Now basicly the OpenSSH people are being "Resonably paranoid" Boycott? Thats an odd use of the term to be honnest.. Just use openssh.com instead of openssh.org... Thats hardly a boycott... Just don't use the
As for a boycott.. Don't... If someone responsable for the
Just stay away from the
Nothing dangerous like e-mail addresses or... COOKIES ARE GOING TO KILL YOU ALL.. or evil web viruses.. Or some how getting you on Santas "Bad" list (I bribe him every year so I stay on his good list)...
Just some statistics he really has no right to anyway...
His reason for it? It may be some perverse game, he isn't ready to sell or he thinks the
>that is why i became a troll, because of poor moderation.
Thanks to you it will only get WORSE...
What are you expecting here? That someone is going to notice the bad moderation? How can they when you are providing such a HUGE distraction.
You should be complainning about the bad moderation INSTEAD of trolling...
With all this trolling going on you just look like a bunch of cry babys becouse your trolls get modded down...
and if it really is that bad that you can not get anything done... there are plenty of other weblogs... Including my own...where your voice can be heard... presumming of course you really are victoms of bad moderation.. I use the "erase bad posts by hand" tactic instead of relying on moderators..
DO NOT I repeate DO NOT become a troll to protest bad moderators...
:) muahahahaha
They exist and that IS what M2 is for...
That is also what e-mailing Rob "CmderTaco" Mulda is for...
While you are "troll" you are a +2 troll...
How did that happen? I can be a +1 troll at best... unless... yes.. you got modded UP!!! Not once not twice but THREE TIMES (once to counter the mod -1) and posably more to account for bad mods -1.
As you go around and notice all the bad moderation where moderators mod up or down based on opinions.. in the mean time other moderators are busy moderating the trolls.. the REAL trolls..
You'll also see bad moderation on the trolls themselfs.. people moding UP "first post" as well as modding down relevent matereal.
M2 dosn't mean you can not complaint to CmdrTaco it just means if no one dose something is likely to happen anyway...
Right now it seems there are some bad moderators who have learnned to dodge M2. Those people need to lose moderation. Finnaly and totally....
But trolling dosn't help.. it just pulls away good moderators while the bad ones play there tyrany games...
And it makes Rob "CmdrTaco" Mulda think we need MORE moderation.... MORE bad moderators.. MORE of this same crud....
If you want to demonstrate a need to re-evaluate the current policys show that they are failling don't show that <B>more is needed</B>. If you want rid of the moderation STOP TROLLING and get other trolls to stop and START e-mail....
PS. I can take a Karma hit I've got more Karma than Signal
>and would like to pretend that all companies that are massively successful will somehow transform all who use them into slaves so the company
Dose that mean that Slashdot and Andover is evil?
Be a tad realistic... not everyone on Slashdot is calling for the heads of the CEOs of every major corp.
The complaints (when there are complaints) are generally valid (open to argument but not "wealthy therefor evil" arguments)
On one side you do have "Eat the rich" mentality and on the other side you have the "might makes right" mentality.. both are wrong...
Being a sycophant you start defending corprate villens...
Being a Zelot you attack every generous deed.
You end up paranoid eather way you go. "X" is allways right and "Y" is allways wrong..
In reality you need to do a case by case assesment... Not everything Microsoft dose is evil... Not every move by a corperation is monopolistic... that is a far cry from saying Microsoft is ALLWAYS right or that everyone with money is a good guy... It just happends.. some times evil.. some times not... You can not work at extreams.
The same goes for Slashdot.. There is no hive mind here... there is caose.. and that caose is a good thing. Diverse views and diverse opinions...
That also means that there is a vocal selection of posters who fervently attack or defend Microsoft and/or anyone with money. While they exist they are not everyone.. they are individuals who have selected to think in extreams. Thats sad when that happends but it dose happen.
What about the time Barnes & Noble sued to try to stop Amazon from calling itself "the world's largest bookstore" because they didn't have a brick-and-mortar presence
This has more to do with Amazons clame to having more books than anyone else. They no longer make this clame.
As for the idea that B&N would have gotten the patent if Amazon didn't... Maybe... and maybe thats exactly why it should have never been issued...
However if B&N had gotten the patent they would have (of course) sued Amazon.. They would have been demonised for it... and clammed things would be worse if Amazon got the patent... in short nothing would be diffrent... Still corprate giants going after each other...
If Amazons real intent was to protect themselfs from B&N they wouldn't have bothered to use the patent. Just stuff it away so B&N can not clame it.
As it is Amazon is in a battle with B&N protecting a patent that Amazon admits should have never been issued....
Yes the patent office is defective and needs a huge amount of work but the person who abuses it can not be held blameless
You need to give a company a very good reason to open source anything.
:) There are many arguments for open sourcing however unless there are some clearly visable benifits (visable by the boss not by you) you are facing an uphill battle.. but if your up to it... fight on :)
:)
Far to many see open sourcing as "giving it away" and in short it is...
They see binary only as a way to control the program (this is a flawed idea.. any cracker can decompile binarys and examin the results for flaws.. or any coder could do same and see how it was done)
They also give up the right to slap down anyone who trys to distribute the source and/or binarys.. All they can do is go after anyone who distributes binarys and no source.
There are a lot of neat market modles that work well but thats asking a bit of a radical change. Let it stay as long as they feel they can compeate the old way... and right now open sourcing dose not automaticly open up any markets.
Question: Dose the code to be openned enhance/premote an existing product by the same company...
If this is the case then openning the source just makes it better and better. The company still has a closed source product and everyone is happy
Question: Is there a proffit made from the product?
If a company is losing money on a product they can chouse to fight it out and hope for the best or they can open source the product and get some publicity for other products.
Question: Is the program free anyway...
Premotional closed source isn't nearly as effective as premotional open source...
It dose mean you'll never terminate the premotional piriod but it also means no one can terminate the premotion.
Even better.. if a compeditor makes a commertal copy (eyeball and rewrite) of your premotional code.. normally you'll just get pushed into obscurity while the comeditor rakes it in... with open source everyone supports you for being the inovator and you get even more premotion as the guys who did it first and "did it better" (even if you didn't.... open source bies is THICK some times.. thats a good thing BTW.. it needs to be.. open source as a premotional tool needs to be better than TV ads.. and right now it's better than that big football event thingy.. the supper somthing... the super troll???)
Basicly anything you "Give away" has your name attached and as a result is premotional...
So what if they can not benifit from open source (in a way that is easy to understand)
You could try anyway
You can allways go for liccensed source...
This is something that has been around for a very long time... You ask that they sign a simi-restrictive non-disclosure.
I stress simi-restrictive.... You WANT your custummers to distribute upgrades and patches...
As well as just document tricks and tecniques...
and the occasional bugfix is allways a good thing...
Buying up names is the WRONG way to defend company names. However it is cheap sence there are so few domain names to buy up.
All you have to do is buy up *.com *.org and *.net and you are relitivly safe... You may need to buy one in each nation for compleate protection but thats not a big deal.
The correct tactic is to sue... Yes a lot of stupid lawsutes exist by any company who thinks it can bully someone around or anyone looking for a quick buck.
But with lawsutes there is still a matter or right and wrong. You don't automaticly win.. you have to prove your case. The other side has a chance to challange you. So say a spoof site at www.microsoft.org... not gona happen as Microsoft probably owns it allready...
With buying up domains you make sure NO ONE has it. There is no judge... no judgement... you have the domain...
The most commen argument is really stupid anyway... You can ignore a cybersquater... He wants to sell you your name for what?? $2,000? $2,000,000? Dosn't matter... he dosn't own the name... If you can afford the domain you can afford a lawyer to send off one of those famous "polite letters" that basicly say "Cut it out or your TOAST"
I'm all for this... the whole idea of buying up domains is repugnet to me anyway.. it encurages cybersquatting... says it's lagit.. when it's not. While companys who are not yet on-line get there domains bought up.... www.NotYetOnTheNet.com comes on and finds the domain for sale for insain amounts of money... they can fork it over or sue... The more companys that sue the fewer people will attempt this scam...
I think this guy is has a really really bad memory.. After all this happend 10 years ago.
But this guy seems to have taken all kinds of unrelated BBS raids and placed them all at SJG.
This was a long time ago and a lot of strange things did happen. Getting tagged for software piracy becouse you tossed the manual is one example (It's how you turn a software theft case from 3 illegal copys to 50 illegal copys.. Turnning a nieve user with 3 illegal programs into a collection of illegal software)
The trend in law right now is a horrific one.
Tools are tools even tools to break the law...
Humans are increadable.... they have this strange ability to make any tool they need.
Banning a tool takes it out of the hands of Mr.GoodPerson and lets Mr.BadPerson know what tools he needs to construct.
In the mean time.. while we make all thies tools illegal... aren't we then blaming the tool and not the criminal?
It's ok tommy.. the nasty tool made you evil...
Eventually it will be perfictly legal to copy anything you'd like... it's the tools fault
I rember universitys trying to ban any computer running Linux.
:) Still I have read a great deal about it over usenet and on IRC... Is this still happening?
:)
The basic argument was that it could be cracked (rooted) (they'd use the word "Hacked") and used to send spam or distribute porn. However there was a long list of strange arguments based on the idea that computers have elfs living in them and Linux makes them evil elfs.
Users would disable/remove sendmail, telnetd, ftpd and apachy nullifying the "cracker porn spam" argument.
In many cases they would scan for Linux systems. Not for server ports or services they were worryed about just the operating system. As a result they would miss all the Windows Website/FTP servers serving off porn and shut down anyone running Linux.
Now I don't know much of anything about it personally becouse I never had that problem
Did it ever really happen? Are the Linux elfs still evil?
Anyway it came down to bandwith use. I guess they could blame bandwith waist on anything someone dosn't like. I don't like Windows.. it waist bandwith.. we ban it.... I don't like AoL websites.. they waist bandwith... we ban them.... I don't like (insert software title here) it waists bandwith... we ban it...
I don't like anil admin who band software becouse it's on the populare ban list... anil admin probes and notices waist bandwith.... you get the picture
The people doing this thing.. SANS... Seem to have industreal stringth clue.. at least to me :)
:)
Anyway I submit that Linux advocates should attend this as well as admin... It is useful to have a well rounded understanding of the real security issues (as apposed to FUD) of Unix in general and Windows... This will put you in a position of explainning the real security issues vs the science fiction of people mistereously having access to some computer after downloading the source code to same.
A well informed IT will know that security defects are located and repaired within Linux all the time. If you don't fix thies bugs some script kiddy will make use of them.
An IT dosn't want to update software every day. He'd rather go with something that dosn't put such a workload on him.
So he'd go with closed source as crackers don't have source code to aid them.
However decompilers have existed for years and as such a cracker can have source code for any program he desires. It dosn't recompile mind you but a cracker dosn't care about recompiling as long as he can discover and exploit a defect.
If your going to argue the value of Linux it will be nessisary to understand the issues as well as the guy who allready knows all the security issues. If you can not explain how security by obscurity is a farce you won't get very far.
And thats not the only issue... You should understand getting root vs getting admin... and be able to explain how to address any given Linux security issue as well as demonstrate how using Windows dosn't dodge the ball.
Ok enough rambling from me
This is funny.. Some moderators out there think CmdrTaco is a trool :)
:) and a pritty dang successful one too :)
No really he mentions during the "2000 beanies awards"... www.thesync.com I belive the RealVideo can be downloaded from "Geeks in space" on the sync.
It makes sence when you think about it...
The avrage post deserves a mod 1... but ACs posts default to mod 0.. so the avrage ho hum post gets modded up... considering the shear number of AC posts and that the majority are pritty good and deserving of atleast mod 1...
So yeah... AC is the ultimate Karma Whore
Well I guess you could control an Aibo with perl scripts and have it "fetch" Sotheby's :)
:)
Or build something with Lego Mindstorms and again control it with perl... and a palm..
Thats the plus side of not being able to spell :)
:)
People CAN NOT fake you properly with out knowing you (and your spelling "fingerpring") in detail
Note [Hemos.] has an invailid e-mail and web url (he includes his added dot in both) but [Hemos] has a valid e-mail and web url
Also if the real Hemos had the addatude tword Katz that the HemosDot guy has Katz wouldn't be a SlashDot author...
We have a clear and obveous faker here...e mos. [Hemos.] e mos [Hemos]
:)
http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=userinfo&nick=h
is not
http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=userinfo&nick=h
It's the same prank pulled on Bruce Perens a while back...
Looks like we have some FakerDots to contend with... (FakerDots meaning dot behind the nick not meaning SlashDot fakers.. Just wanted to make it clear where my mem comes from)
He's not giving Hemos any kind of bad name... (that is quite posabily the objective however)
he is a clear and obveous faker and we can all see him for what he is...
Byond that I'm in total agreement with your sentiment... especally the rock comment
I (with half a million other people... ohh how inovative I am.. yep I admit to being an eLemming.com guy) started to set up yet annother on-line mall. I had my own twist on the idea (you have to or you die.. copy cats don't work to well.. need to understand what your doing and just copying people is a bad thing) no patents or anything (inovate or die.. patents or not).
:)
So I.. like many... expected hell to freaze over before something like one click shopping got a patent...
Well shortly after I started setting things up.. Hell got a little colder...
I could go toe to toe with a Microsoft WebMall if I had to.. Anyway I didn't need a strong market share to make a proffit (my proffit moddle allowed for a huge amount of problems and still show a proffit... I spell like crud but where math is conserned I'm quite good)...
But I didn't take into acount strange patents like THIS... Come on people give us time to develup some "prior art" before you start granting patents... gezz...
At this rate Amazon with patent MY SPELLING...
Oh wait.. I have years of prior art.. no worrys
Anyway... the eLemming.com guys (like myself) quickly realised.. wait a second... Amazon is being issued patents on generic ideas.. I can not afford to fight a patent lawsute and I can not afford to dramaticly change my busness modle in mid swing just to accomidate a stupid patent.... What do I do?
Well Amazons patents are in the eCommerce area.. Yes Amazon is becomming more and more a portal but still an eCommerce portal... Selling everything under the sun(sparc)...
So the safeist move is to do whats allready been done for a LONG TIME... Like let Yahoo fight a prior art battle for you...
So basicly people are just copying existing sucesses becouse a. Lest risky.. b. Prior art. c. Well eBay has the whole online auction thing tied up anyway...
Oh me????
Blah... I'm going to experement for a while.. see what I like and see if I can not come up with something new and unqiue over time... For the time being I'm making "yet annother weblog" for rants.. as a friend says "Whos goina read that" "Nobody..." Just something for code practace.. nothing more... get up to speed so when I'm ready to do something real I'm ready to do it full speed...
The Internet news sources are far from up to speed.
> let's websites carry headlines from Slashdot over.. porviding a link back to Slashdot... it's more effective than banner adds :)
:)
CNN.com is basicly the best news source I have found and it is simply skimming the headlines.
I get my local news from www.hotcoco.com not much more than a reprint of a local newspaper.. and I read the newspaper that runs it... Contra Costa Times...
It will be a while before Internet news can really replace newspapers... It has the potental for depth of any given subject.. but that depth is unexplored.
On the other hand... I don't watch TV anymore...
TV news dose have the advantage of bringing the news quicker... The Internet can do this as well but I don't see it happening yet...
It would be nice to see some rapid and indepth reporting done on the Internet... it can be done... a Quicky rapid.. and maybe at the end of the day a detailed indepth...
The news media outlets know what we want they simply need to learn how to deliver it...
Slashdot is a good example of one delivery system... I saw a nice Java applet that dose a good job (Ug Java is evil... puke Java evil.. ok enough of that) such news tickers offer headlines... offering thies to websites is a good idea....
Also <a href="http://slashdot.org/code.shtml">Slashdot</a
As everyone discovers how to use the Internet for news delivery they will expand the covrage of the news available. As they cover more users they'll offer more content.
Of course the talkback feature on Slashdot is a huge hit and a plus for ANY news agentcy... Forget media bies.... When people can post replys directly to any given news story Media bies is no longer an issue.. instead of one leading bies the readers end up being exposed to every posable bies under the sun... So instead of zero bies (a very hard mesure to achive with out slicing valuable information) you get EVERY bies.. No one agenda takes over... and the masses are informmed
Visit any given libary and chances are the "offensive" matereal blocked by the software is available in hardbound form somewhere in the libary.
In the mean time the software also blocks valuable information rendering the libarys Internet access pritty much useless for anything.
The libary has a responsability to provide information the parent has the responsability to not take there kid to the libary to start with if they want to keep them isolated and ignorent...
Noble cause.. however eating Vegan dose not mean eating healthy and this is a morality choice not a health option...
:)
You CAN eat healthy by eating Vegan but getting what you need to be healthy is a great deal easyer when you include animal products in your diet...
I don't mind the Vegan philosophy so much. Some vegitarian philosopher suggested if you can not handle watching your food be made you shouldn't eat it. Sounds reasonable enough.
I however CAN watch meat get killed cut up processed and packed and not have any problems with it. I look at ground beef and I can not help but see it as ground up flesh. This has never effected my diet (I wish it did.. I could stand to lose some weight). I take the ground up flesh cook up something to eat and I am fine with it.
If you can not do the same... then do not eat meat.
I don't care about being helthy.. I just want my CmdrTacos
It's not really even Linuxes fault that it's hard to install.
Installing ANYTHING on PC isn't going to be very easy.
Corel has allready solved much of the problem by making some nice gui install tools.
But that isn't going to get past the fact that the PC was designed expecting a computer expert to install Dos.
There was no consideration for the posability someone might want to install more than one operating system on one computer or that a user may wish to install something other than a CP/M like operating system and certenly no thought put to having an avrage jo do the installation.
Also some of the features that make Windows "easy" such as Plug and play should be done from a new design rather than added on to an existing design.
Linux could overcome this problem with a system designed with Linux in mind. As far as I know NetWinder and other Linux based computers do not have CDrom drives for easy installation/upgrade of Linux.. But then I guess with Linux preinstalled it isn't much of an issue is it.....
I partly agree with this...
:)
Linux is very easy to use (to spite clames to otherwise) but difficult to learn.
A lot of people do confuse the diffrence between "learn" and "use"..
Quite simply... an operating system that is hard to use is hard to use for everyone. The only way around this is to install utilitys that are easyer than the ones that come with the operating system.
However an operating system that is hard to learn can be overcome by simply learnning...
Windows is hard to use but easy to learn. The system utilitys pacaged with Windows are a bit to generic. They are all useful but do little to no handholding and demand the user do things by hand.
When Windows dose do handholding it dose so by guessing what the user wants and usually it's wrong so even in this case it's just getting in the way.
In order to make Windows easyer for me I end up downloading and installing DosNix.. a pacage of Dos utilitys that give Dos Unix commands. Being allready familure with Unix I have no learnning curve to worry about
I'm not saying Linux is for the masses.. Hardly the case... I'm just saying Windows isn't much better... The avrage user should stay away from both.
Given a choice between the two I'd opt for Linux over Windows... A one time learnning curve isn't as distructive to productivity as not having the utilitys for the job.
Mac by the way is easy to use easy to learn and quite powerful.. and this is my recomendation for the avrage user...