Sorry to the folks on the other side of the dateline for not posting this earlier.
First, you give away the ending to the Lone Gunmen to early, cause you didn't think about PST, now you post this late because you didn't think of the other side of the dateline.
Someone give this man a watch that can hold multiple time zones!!;-)
He could be speaking of the end of open source in the business sense. Look at all the open source companies on the market. The market, itself, is getting hammered. Open source/linux companies are getting hit EXTRA hard (VA was hit >17% just yesterday).
Also,.NET is a nice technology, and has wonderful features (which it should, seeing that it looked on other technologies that broke out, like Java, and improved upon it). And, they are even trying to crack open that "you can only run it on IIS", by attaching it to apache. I'm surprised, myself, how it isn't catching on quickly, but I'm sure the market is mostly to blame.
Corporations refusing to sell their products as an anti-competitive tactic. It's a textbook microsoft move.
I'm assuming by "Microsoft move" you mean monopolistic move. If HP tells ALL computer retailers "we won't sell you our printers to sell if you have dell printers", then, sure, its a monopolistic move.
However, Dell, (getting the HP printers at an extreme discount, due to a package deal and partnership) is trying to make a higher profit by taking advantage of a business partnership. If your partner tried to swindel you will you say, "Welp, ya got me! I don't want to act anti-competitive", or will you say, "Screw you, hippy! If you try that crap, I'm out!"??
Absolutely. Usually, virii are FAR from life threatening, but this one is an exception. Whoever wrote this should get some SERIOUS jail time for his work. This is one of those cases where hackers should have the book thrown at them.
Yes. You are hitting one of the MAJOR points in my argument.
Unfortunately, this is my last post for the day (yeah, slashdot determines how many posts per day I get, and I only get 10), so I can't argue with any other points until tomorrow.
Thanks to the editors for determining how many posts it'll take to defend my position!
When someone mentions they gave up Linux for Windows (don't feel like searching for the link, but it was a story last week), everyone on slashdot supported MS, and ran against Linux. But, a few stories later, we find ourselves reaming MS. Now MS tries to address subjects YOU WANT THEM TO ADDRESS, and the linux community is in an uproar.
I'd like to suggest what someone suggested in the "give up linux" article. We need to STOP railing MS, and start boosting Linux. I don't want Linux to be successful if the success is based on dirty marketing against MS.
What's worse is this wasn't even submitted to slashdot, its an editor attempting to push MS into a story so we can all moan about it.
I think it'd be in Linux's best interest if Slashdot didn't write anything negative about MS, just tech updates or whatever. It'd be a lot more mature than the dung-flinging that goes on here.
This hypocracy is just as bad as putting restrictions on users and preaching online rights...
BTW - I'm expecting a being modded down, especially editor moderation (how do you make a broken moderation system, worse? Absolute power, of course!), I'm just venting some steam (and losing some karma).
Honestly, I love cooking and being in the kitchen. But I don't use the new-age toys or anything. Rolling out the dough for pasta and cutting it by hand is my style, not using some auto-roller and auto-cutter.
Cooking can be relaxing, but you should be the one doing the work.
Moderators, its just my opinion. No need to get nasty.
With TiVo, when you hit 'play' from a fast-forward, it sends you back a few milliseconds so that you don't need good reflexes. The faster you fast-forward, the more it'll pad the space when you hit play.
One Word Explains it: "Illuminati"
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Have you ever been to New York state (not the city, but upstate)??
Its well forested, which is wonderful cover for Illuminati complexes.
In desert areas, like Area51, humans eventually figure out something strange is going on; but in well forested areas, people just laugh at hunters "wild" stories.
The Illuminati want the consortium, so they brought it close to home so no good secrets would leak outside their grip, before they allowed it.
Now, I will give you specific coordinates to the entrance to their complex... wait... I hear someone com
I agree, and as I've mentioned OVER and OVER again, be polite and handhold those that wish to try it.
If you can't handle it, or have sudden urges to spout "RTFM!", then walk away and let someone who can be polite take over.
"Aggressive" can be misunderstood in this article title. Hemos doesn't mean to be "rudely aggressive", but to market the idea of Linux more often, but still politely.
And this is why they will utimately fail against Linux. Because no matter what they do, because Linux is not owned by a particular company, because it's free and GPL'd, it will always be there as a competitor. This is what scares MS the most - they can't buy out Linux or bankrupt it
I agree with most of what you say. There's no doubt that MS is aiming all guns at Linux (and is prolly scared). There's no doubt that Linux will always survive. MS's strategy is to keep linux low-key and claim standards and popularity.
This article is a perfect example. Get all kids to know MS, so they will be comfortable with Windows, and uncomfortable with Linux.
Let me tell you all the horrors of a capitalistic economy.
I own a lemonade stand that sells $5 lemonade. I have about 50 customers every 2 hours, giving me a nice customer base. You see how I'm gouging people, so you open a lemonade stand for $1, and attempt to show people how to make lemonade at home for under $1.
I'll see what you are doing, and sell my lemonade for $0.50, which is less than it takes for you to make lemonade. For you to compete is for you to lose money. I can afford it, because I have capital sitting in a bank account. You go out of business, and I raise my price back to $5.
This is what MS is doing!
Its basic economics, people. Now, don't give me the "linux is free" angle. Use the anology, but instead of money, use familiarity with the product, and the popularity with MS products vs open source ones.
I heard the battlescene that was supposed to be extended was the battle with Sauron at the beginning. I heard it was to be, not only elongated, but a lot more gory, giving the movie an "R" rating.
first page coverage to the idea that Palladium is designed to kill open source software.
So, lemmie get this straight. MS sees Linux/Open Source Software as a competitor. MS competes with said competitor in order to win more capital.
What's the problem here? This is basic economics 101. You can't complain about it. Remember that Open Source software is very adaptive. There will always be a way for both MS and Open Source to talk to one another. MS will always try to stop open source, cause they see it as a viable competitor. Open Source will survive, regarless. There's no point in whining, nor is there a point to bash MS. Its legal, and its common business sense.
Re:My Biased Opinion...
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I'll go digging for some, but Java has always been regarded as slow, but Java1.2 is the version that REALLY sped stuff up. Java is currently running on 1.4.
Re:My Biased Opinion...
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Why would your first choice be Java, when the above poster already mentioned that Perl's XML libraries are faster?
How many times would you need XML loaded vs. say a DB, where J2EE has an enormous advantage over perl. How about compairing the overall speed of perl's webapp (including its faster XML loading) vs. the speed of the Java webapp (mod_perl vs a good java webcontainer is no contest).
Perl is by no means a "legacy" language - it's still in development, and if I dare say, it's developing faster than Java. Look at the upcoming Perl 6.
Compair the technologies in Perl 6 vs. the technology in Java1.4, and the newest tech in J2EE. Just because Perl is on a higher version doesn't mean its more advanced, nor does it mean its moving faster.
I'm not saying that you should use Perl; I'm just curious as to why you would use Java and refuse to use anything else (when something else may be the best tool for the job).
I'm DEFINATELY not saying Java is great for everything. BUT, the best tool for large enterprise websites in most cases is Java (well, J2EE).
Don't forget that some of the largest web apps out there (*cough* Slashcode *cough*) are in Perl.
First, have you read slashcode, before? Yick! Second, have you seen anything similar written in Java (yeah, nothing exists, though I've been tempted to write a slash-like logger in Java). I'd think you'd be surprised at the speed increase, and the maintainability/fixability increased. Third, large apps (IMHO) should use OOP. Perl 5's version of OOP is horrible (can't wait for Perl6, though). Slashcode started off small, so it was great as a perl/cgi site. When it increased in size, it shoulda went to MVC patterned J2EE webapp, complete with taglibs. It, unfortunately, didn't go that direction.
C sucks (parody)
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C is a giant leap backwards. It makes us convert data from an verbose ASCII format, translate and compile it into a binary format. This leads to:
Conversion/translation complexity
Syntax Errors
Conversion errors
Storage requirements (object files)
The only benefit AFAIK is that people can read the code better. However, the applications still have to understand the standard coding syntax, which comprises of a hideous amount of keywords and styles. Said applications would have been better off using Assembly (read: efficient) code in the first place.
Ban C!
Please note the extremely sarcastic tone of this post.
Your complaints are old fashioned. Maintainability is a major overlooked flaw in Computer Science.
My Biased Opinion...
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I think that if you are making a large enough (enterprise?) website that requires a serious amount of XML development, you should ditch perl altogether and write it in Java. Java already handles XML efficiently, and is a better choice for large apps.
If you are writing a smaller website that uses XML, sure, perl is a nice choice. But is the XML necessary?
And I have used (and still use) both perl and Java. I just view Java as a better choice for large web apps, and perl for small web apps and scripting.
Before I get hit with flames, please understand this is my opinion, not fact.
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Sorry to the folks on the other side of the dateline for not posting this earlier.
;-)
First, you give away the ending to the Lone Gunmen to early, cause you didn't think about PST, now you post this late because you didn't think of the other side of the dateline.
Someone give this man a watch that can hold multiple time zones!!
He could be speaking of the end of open source in the business sense. Look at all the open source companies on the market. The market, itself, is getting hammered. Open source/linux companies are getting hit EXTRA hard (VA was hit >17% just yesterday).
.NET is a nice technology, and has wonderful features (which it should, seeing that it looked on other technologies that broke out, like Java, and improved upon it). And, they are even trying to crack open that "you can only run it on IIS", by attaching it to apache. I'm surprised, myself, how it isn't catching on quickly, but I'm sure the market is mostly to blame.
Also,
Corporations refusing to sell their products as an anti-competitive tactic. It's a textbook microsoft move.
I'm assuming by "Microsoft move" you mean monopolistic move. If HP tells ALL computer retailers "we won't sell you our printers to sell if you have dell printers", then, sure, its a monopolistic move.
However, Dell, (getting the HP printers at an extreme discount, due to a package deal and partnership) is trying to make a higher profit by taking advantage of a business partnership. If your partner tried to swindel you will you say, "Welp, ya got me! I don't want to act anti-competitive", or will you say, "Screw you, hippy! If you try that crap, I'm out!"??
Absolutely. Usually, virii are FAR from life threatening, but this one is an exception. Whoever wrote this should get some SERIOUS jail time for his work. This is one of those cases where hackers should have the book thrown at them.
Yes. You are hitting one of the MAJOR points in my argument.
Unfortunately, this is my last post for the day (yeah, slashdot determines how many posts per day I get, and I only get 10), so I can't argue with any other points until tomorrow.
Thanks to the editors for determining how many posts it'll take to defend my position!
No, not of MS, but of Slashdot.
When someone mentions they gave up Linux for Windows (don't feel like searching for the link, but it was a story last week), everyone on slashdot supported MS, and ran against Linux.
But, a few stories later, we find ourselves reaming MS.
Now MS tries to address subjects YOU WANT THEM TO ADDRESS, and the linux community is in an uproar.
I'd like to suggest what someone suggested in the "give up linux" article.
We need to STOP railing MS, and start boosting Linux. I don't want Linux to be successful if the success is based on dirty marketing against MS.
What's worse is this wasn't even submitted to slashdot, its an editor attempting to push MS into a story so we can all moan about it.
I think it'd be in Linux's best interest if Slashdot didn't write anything negative about MS, just tech updates or whatever. It'd be a lot more mature than the dung-flinging that goes on here.
This hypocracy is just as bad as putting restrictions on users and preaching online rights...
BTW - I'm expecting a being modded down, especially editor moderation (how do you make a broken moderation system, worse? Absolute power, of course!), I'm just venting some steam (and losing some karma).
Heheh...
Michael and I aren't on the best of terms.
Lesson to be learned here:
Mirror everything before announcing the release.
Honestly, I love cooking and being in the kitchen. But I don't use the new-age toys or anything. Rolling out the dough for pasta and cutting it by hand is my style, not using some auto-roller and auto-cutter.
Cooking can be relaxing, but you should be the one doing the work.
Moderators, its just my opinion. No need to get nasty.
If you post at auto -1, you can only post 2 times a day.
Only 10 AC posts are allowed per IP.
Restrictions = lack of voice/lack of arguing your opinion = Censorship.
With TiVo, when you hit 'play' from a fast-forward, it sends you back a few milliseconds so that you don't need good reflexes. The faster you fast-forward, the more it'll pad the space when you hit play.
Have you ever been to New York state (not the city, but upstate)??
Its well forested, which is wonderful cover for Illuminati complexes.
In desert areas, like Area51, humans eventually figure out something strange is going on; but in well forested areas, people just laugh at hunters "wild" stories.
The Illuminati want the consortium, so they brought it close to home so no good secrets would leak outside their grip, before they allowed it.
Now, I will give you specific coordinates to the entrance to their complex... wait... I hear someone com
Hasn't apple tried this with GIF formats?
Just a company trying to make a quick buck...
Do you think movies like Final Fantasy become increasingly popular, and eventually SFX characters will overtake human actors??
I agree, and as I've mentioned OVER and OVER again, be polite and handhold those that wish to try it.
If you can't handle it, or have sudden urges to spout "RTFM!", then walk away and let someone who can be polite take over.
"Aggressive" can be misunderstood in this article title. Hemos doesn't mean to be "rudely aggressive", but to market the idea of Linux more often, but still politely.
And this is why they will utimately fail against Linux. Because no matter what they do, because Linux is not owned by a particular company, because it's free and GPL'd, it will always be there as a competitor. This is what scares MS the most - they can't buy out Linux or bankrupt it
I agree with most of what you say. There's no doubt that MS is aiming all guns at Linux (and is prolly scared). There's no doubt that Linux will always survive. MS's strategy is to keep linux low-key and claim standards and popularity.
This article is a perfect example. Get all kids to know MS, so they will be comfortable with Windows, and uncomfortable with Linux.
Let me tell you all the horrors of a capitalistic economy.
I own a lemonade stand that sells $5 lemonade. I have about 50 customers every 2 hours, giving me a nice customer base.
You see how I'm gouging people, so you open a lemonade stand for $1, and attempt to show people how to make lemonade at home for under $1.
I'll see what you are doing, and sell my lemonade for $0.50, which is less than it takes for you to make lemonade. For you to compete is for you to lose money. I can afford it, because I have capital sitting in a bank account. You go out of business, and I raise my price back to $5.
This is what MS is doing!
Its basic economics, people.
Now, don't give me the "linux is free" angle. Use the anology, but instead of money, use familiarity with the product, and the popularity with MS products vs open source ones.
I only really missed Tom Bombadil and the Old Man Willow tree...
I heard the battlescene that was supposed to be extended was the battle with Sauron at the beginning. I heard it was to be, not only elongated, but a lot more gory, giving the movie an "R" rating.
This is just heresay, though.
I wonder if any Wal-Mart manager is brave enough to actually set up a few machines in-store.
Why is the bravery required? Are you suggesting its hard to install Linux? Are you suggesting its hard to use Linux?
If a manager can't setup demos, then the whole idea of selling Linux in the stores is flawed and will ultimately fail.
first page coverage to the idea that Palladium is designed to kill open source software.
So, lemmie get this straight. MS sees Linux/Open Source Software as a competitor. MS competes with said competitor in order to win more capital.
What's the problem here? This is basic economics 101. You can't complain about it. Remember that Open Source software is very adaptive. There will always be a way for both MS and Open Source to talk to one another. MS will always try to stop open source, cause they see it as a viable competitor. Open Source will survive, regarless. There's no point in whining, nor is there a point to bash MS. Its legal, and its common business sense.
I'll go digging for some, but Java has always been regarded as slow, but Java1.2 is the version that REALLY sped stuff up. Java is currently running on 1.4.
Why would your first choice be Java, when the above poster already mentioned that Perl's XML libraries are faster?
How many times would you need XML loaded vs. say a DB, where J2EE has an enormous advantage over perl. How about compairing the overall speed of perl's webapp (including its faster XML loading) vs. the speed of the Java webapp (mod_perl vs a good java webcontainer is no contest).
Perl is by no means a "legacy" language - it's still in development, and if I dare say, it's developing faster than Java. Look at the upcoming Perl 6.
Compair the technologies in Perl 6 vs. the technology in Java1.4, and the newest tech in J2EE.
Just because Perl is on a higher version doesn't mean its more advanced, nor does it mean its moving faster.
I'm not saying that you should use Perl; I'm just curious as to why you would use Java and refuse to use anything else (when something else may be the best tool for the job).
I'm DEFINATELY not saying Java is great for everything. BUT, the best tool for large enterprise websites in most cases is Java (well, J2EE).
Don't forget that some of the largest web apps out there (*cough* Slashcode *cough*) are in Perl.
First, have you read slashcode, before? Yick!
Second, have you seen anything similar written in Java (yeah, nothing exists, though I've been tempted to write a slash-like logger in Java). I'd think you'd be surprised at the speed increase, and the maintainability/fixability increased.
Third, large apps (IMHO) should use OOP. Perl 5's version of OOP is horrible (can't wait for Perl6, though).
Slashcode started off small, so it was great as a perl/cgi site. When it increased in size, it shoulda went to MVC patterned J2EE webapp, complete with taglibs. It, unfortunately, didn't go that direction.
- Conversion/translation complexity
- Syntax Errors
- Conversion errors
- Storage requirements (object files)
The only benefit AFAIK is that people can read the code better. However, the applications still have to understand the standard coding syntax, which comprises of a hideous amount of keywords and styles. Said applications would have been better off using Assembly (read: efficient) code in the first place.Ban C!
Please note the extremely sarcastic tone of this post.
Your complaints are old fashioned. Maintainability is a major overlooked flaw in Computer Science.
I think that if you are making a large enough (enterprise?) website that requires a serious amount of XML development, you should ditch perl altogether and write it in Java. Java already handles XML efficiently, and is a better choice for large apps.
If you are writing a smaller website that uses XML, sure, perl is a nice choice. But is the XML necessary?
And I have used (and still use) both perl and Java. I just view Java as a better choice for large web apps, and perl for small web apps and scripting.
Before I get hit with flames, please understand this is my opinion, not fact.