You got me excited a bit at doing a porting project. I wonder if System Shock 2 has released its code...
Anyway, if you are interested in jumping in on a porting job, read my journal...
Would there actually be any intrest for a volunteer group of programmers to port games? I.E. A group of people doing what Loki was doing but in non-profit status?
I am picturing this: A group of coders being allowed by companies to port their code over to Linux. Companies takes a X% cut, programmers get paid so they can keep doing this, extra gets donated to FSF etc.
Does this sound insane?
Yes.
First paragraph has the words 'volunteer' and 'non-profit'. Second has talk about companies taking cuts of profits and paying programmers.
In two paragraphs, you've successfully said the exact opposite thing.
However, your idea does have merit. If you can get a group of volunteers to sign NDAs and port games, then let the publishers either sell it, or release it to the Linux community.
I don't know what game company that would have the gaul to do it, but maybe they'll let you port older games (a linux port of System Shock 2, for example, wouldn't be a bad thing!).
I'd even volunteer my programming services for such a project.
Before Slant-Six sank, they had an interesting article on how to confuse the future terrorists. Put up anarchist sites, but provide bogus info. Setup bomb-making instructions that make silly putty or something. The more sites like that that pop-up, the less likely a terrorist will discover the correct bomb-making papers. The point is to fight terrorists by making the internet a place that they can't trust...
I wonder how the FBI would react to those kinds of sites...
That's my original point. Mac has the pro of being both user friendly and easier to setup and maintain, while the pro of the linux cluster is the inexpensiveness to build, and, as far as maintenance, its cheaper to swap out parts if necessary.
Jovians don't appear on earth, IIRC.
Jovians are similar to hurricanes, but aren't the same. Not to mention that the 'smaller' Jovian is about the size of the earth, and its colliding with an ENORMOUS one (A *lot* bigger than it).
This has happened before on Jupitor (read the article), but I dunno about earth...
I guess the closest thing to this on earth would be that 'the perfect storm' movie. Isn't that about large storms colliding (and based on a true story)?
I don't like this having the 'junkyard wars' name attached to it. It should have the 'battlebots' name attached. The joy of junkyard wars is that each week is a different scenario, with a different goal!
You are already introducing the goal to everyone way ahead of time. Now you're just going to get the basic 'battlebot' type constructs (ie: ramp, buzzsaw, etc...).
Way to take something creative and make it something repetitive...
A.) How bad MS is, and how we hate it and everything they do.
B.) How MS users are inferior and shouldn't be played by MS.
C.) The intricacy of this new idea, and how linux can compete, or use the ideas they bring forward
I guess it all comes down to whether you see MS as an 'enemy' or a competitor. Linus sees it as a competitor, respects them, and makes sure his OS can compete with them. He never really derails them or has an elitist attitude. Maybe we should follow suit, here?
I think its still a bit too early to talk about ecommerce booming.
This is what happened with the dotcom hype. People jumped on the bandwagon too early, and got shot down. I'd be interested in seeing a report on ecommerce in like 2-5 years.
Sorry to be so nitpicky (especially on humor), but being a rabid bond fan, I have to mention "Never Say Never Again" is not an "official" bond movie. Its a long long explanation about when the producers split up and a giant fight, which I don't want to explain. If you are really interested, do a search on it, you'll find it.
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I'm requoting myself, but this is a great place to requote.
Its ok to say "Use anything except outlook" when you are on the linux side.
Lets use RMS's words in the opposite context, shall we?
Lets face it. "Free" means free in free software AND proprietary software. If it doesn't, then its "free" in a very restrictive manner (which I wouldn't call "free").
If you want everything free, you had better learn this lesson!
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How free is it if you make him conform to your idea of what is normal?
We aren't "forcing him to conform", we're forcing him to write in a format usable by all (you know, free means free across all boards, including proprietary).
Funny how you view things on the other side, isn't it?
If someone sends you a word doc, and you can't read it, its a big issue and everyone is serious.
If someone sends something that only linux users can read, its funny, and lets all shout "hurray!"
Think about it. And if you still think the second point, then you are, in fact, elitest.
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...is to disclude them as much as possible!
If he were serious (which he doesn't appear to be), then I'd say its waaay to risky for the linux community. Shutting out everyone is one of the first ways to fail in bringing Linux into the mainstream...
Post the release notes, and hope to be the first (easy karma!)
Post an "ohhh... ahhh" post
Post a troll/crapflood
Are there any other possible posts? What do the editors wish us to discuss with this?
Maybe there should be an "Announcement" for/. frontpage. It links to the info, without any comments allowed...
The "good team" is "Infastructure". Players are "Linux", "Firewall", "Mainframe", "Middleware", and one other (which I can't remember). The best commercial is "Downtime". When everyone is on the ground, all injuried. In come the coaches "Backup" and "Recovery" and bring them all back in a few seconds. Funny stuff.
I'd suggest looking at ad critic, but, unfortunately, its no longer around.
I'll go digging for it to see if I can find it, though.
I'd think (I used 'think'!) that if you had control UPS software that talked to the OS, and the OS itself (yay, linux!), it shouldn't be a hard process.
The UPS control software says its running outta juice, the OS then saves all the memory to disk, and sets a flag, so on startup, it remaps all the memory back.
Then again, I'm not a big assembly level programmer, so I'm sure its more complex than this...
Loki wouldn't be able to get started today. They wouldn't have the venture captial, and would die in todays economy. They sprung up during the dotcom hype, and that's where they got the money to strive.
I agree with your general idea, though. They were just a little too ahead of their time. I wouldn't be surprised if they (or a clone) popped up in a few years, and was successful.
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These are the kind of rules that will never change
Come on. By the time you and I get into space (if we aren't too old), these rules will be changed over 100 times. Think about it.
Or a congressional seat ;-)
I'm more worried about amazon...
They'll have a heyday with "One Thought Shopping!"
You got me excited a bit at doing a porting project. I wonder if System Shock 2 has released its code...
Anyway, if you are interested in jumping in on a porting job, read my journal...
Would there actually be any intrest for a volunteer group of programmers to port games? I.E. A group of people doing what Loki was doing but in non-profit status?
I am picturing this: A group of coders being allowed by companies to port their code over to Linux. Companies takes a X% cut, programmers get paid so they can keep doing this, extra gets donated to FSF etc.
Does this sound insane?
Yes.
First paragraph has the words 'volunteer' and 'non-profit'. Second has talk about companies taking cuts of profits and paying programmers.
In two paragraphs, you've successfully said the exact opposite thing.
However, your idea does have merit. If you can get a group of volunteers to sign NDAs and port games, then let the publishers either sell it, or release it to the Linux community.
I don't know what game company that would have the gaul to do it, but maybe they'll let you port older games (a linux port of System Shock 2, for example, wouldn't be a bad thing!).
I'd even volunteer my programming services for such a project.
Before Slant-Six sank, they had an interesting article on how to confuse the future terrorists. Put up anarchist sites, but provide bogus info. Setup bomb-making instructions that make silly putty or something. The more sites like that that pop-up, the less likely a terrorist will discover the correct bomb-making papers. The point is to fight terrorists by making the internet a place that they can't trust...
I wonder how the FBI would react to those kinds of sites...
That's my original point. Mac has the pro of being both user friendly and easier to setup and maintain, while the pro of the linux cluster is the inexpensiveness to build, and, as far as maintenance, its cheaper to swap out parts if necessary.
What about cost? The cost (monetary, not time) of setting up a Linux cluster vs. a Mac cluster?
I think there are pros and cons of both clusters.
Jovians don't appear on earth, IIRC.
Jovians are similar to hurricanes, but aren't the same. Not to mention that the 'smaller' Jovian is about the size of the earth, and its colliding with an ENORMOUS one (A *lot* bigger than it).
This has happened before on Jupitor (read the article), but I dunno about earth...
I guess the closest thing to this on earth would be that 'the perfect storm' movie. Isn't that about large storms colliding (and based on a true story)?
If they do leak in, what do you think is gonna happen?
AOL breaks down, defeated, and allows the users in?
No, its their servers, their dbs, and their service. When big companies feel threatened, they pull out the lawyers.
Will Cerulean Studios hold up better than those they follow in the footsteps of (i.e. Microsoft, AT&T and Jabber)
I don't see someone fighting AOL's lawyers better than AT&T and MS, honestly.
Only thing that can topple big companies are big companies...
I don't like this having the 'junkyard wars' name attached to it. It should have the 'battlebots' name attached. The joy of junkyard wars is that each week is a different scenario, with a different goal!
You are already introducing the goal to everyone way ahead of time. Now you're just going to get the basic 'battlebot' type constructs (ie: ramp, buzzsaw, etc...).
Way to take something creative and make it something repetitive...
I've done it, and you can't see my evidence!
Sorry, can't consider it news until we see evidence.
For all we know, they are raving lunatics, or just getting media attention for more grant money.
- A.) How bad MS is, and how we hate it and everything they do.
- B.) How MS users are inferior and shouldn't be played by MS.
- C.) The intricacy of this new idea, and how linux can compete, or use the ideas they bring forward
I guess it all comes down to whether you see MS as an 'enemy' or a competitor. Linus sees it as a competitor, respects them, and makes sure his OS can compete with them. He never really derails them or has an elitist attitude. Maybe we should follow suit, here?I think its still a bit too early to talk about ecommerce booming.
This is what happened with the dotcom hype. People jumped on the bandwagon too early, and got shot down. I'd be interested in seeing a report on ecommerce in like 2-5 years.
Austin Powers: Never Say Lover again
Sorry to be so nitpicky (especially on humor), but being a rabid bond fan, I have to mention "Never Say Never Again" is not an "official" bond movie. Its a long long explanation about when the producers split up and a giant fight, which I don't want to explain. If you are really interested, do a search on it, you'll find it.
I'm requoting myself, but this is a great place to requote.
Its ok to say "Use anything except outlook" when you are on the linux side.
What would you say, if I said use a program that can read Word docs??
Lets use RMS's words in the opposite context, shall we?
Lets face it. "Free" means free in free software AND proprietary software. If it doesn't, then its "free" in a very restrictive manner (which I wouldn't call "free").
If you want everything free, you had better learn this lesson!
How free is it if you make him conform to your idea of what is normal?
We aren't "forcing him to conform", we're forcing him to write in a format usable by all (you know, free means free across all boards, including proprietary).
Didn't RMS recently write an article about convincing people to not use Word attachments in email??
Isn't this the OPPOSITE?
Funny how you view things on the other side, isn't it?
If someone sends you a word doc, and you can't read it, its a big issue and everyone is serious.
If someone sends something that only linux users can read, its funny, and lets all shout "hurray!"
Think about it. And if you still think the second point, then you are, in fact, elitest.
...is to disclude them as much as possible!
If he were serious (which he doesn't appear to be), then I'd say its waaay to risky for the linux community. Shutting out everyone is one of the first ways to fail in bringing Linux into the mainstream...
Are there any other possible posts? What do the editors wish us to discuss with this?
Maybe there should be an "Announcement" for
The "good team" is "Infastructure". Players are "Linux", "Firewall", "Mainframe", "Middleware", and one other (which I can't remember). The best commercial is "Downtime". When everyone is on the ground, all injuried. In come the coaches "Backup" and "Recovery" and bring them all back in a few seconds. Funny stuff.
I'd suggest looking at ad critic, but, unfortunately, its no longer around.
I'll go digging for it to see if I can find it, though.
When you click the "Remove me from your list" link, it'll point to a real page?
Man, if I was a lawyer, I'd be rich!
True... but... hibernation works across all applications, while autosaving only helps one application...
I'd think (I used 'think'!) that if you had control UPS software that talked to the OS, and the OS itself (yay, linux!), it shouldn't be a hard process.
The UPS control software says its running outta juice, the OS then saves all the memory to disk, and sets a flag, so on startup, it remaps all the memory back.
Then again, I'm not a big assembly level programmer, so I'm sure its more complex than this...
Loki wouldn't be able to get started today. They wouldn't have the venture captial, and would die in todays economy. They sprung up during the dotcom hype, and that's where they got the money to strive.
I agree with your general idea, though. They were just a little too ahead of their time. I wouldn't be surprised if they (or a clone) popped up in a few years, and was successful.