Neither does apple (for OSX that is you don't "absolutely" need X-code... IOS an other beast). I'm not defending apple here, just saying that if you need to develop something for some platform you need to have access to that platform (Windows / OSX / Linux / *BSD*...etc).
The same argument could be used with linux/osx... let's say I managed to get root access in either (remotely using some fresh exploit) and put a backdoor and a running damon (to do what ever ; connect to irc://evil.net/DDoSonDemand or send spam..etc). how would you notice it or what makes linux so special that you would notice it ???
you can go out and buy a floppy disk.
Other OS wasn't a burden but assuming it was stop simply supporting it... don;t remove it! or let those who are willing to do it do it !
As for the "sold at a loss" it;s no fucking excuse!
They are ass hats, so what? catch them and prosecute them !
stating that fact neither makes make sony's position more conformable nor excuses their actions.
What you;re advocating here is some king of skinner behaviorism. ppl are not as dumb! they need information.
So the theory is good (and I'm considered a leftist).. there need to be a perfect flow of information b/c ppl tend to ingest it before making decision. which in most markets (all of them?) is a "not" met condition !
Don;t know about all the carriers/manuf but for samsung phones (The one I have) they provide those drivers if you're on windows, if you;re not (linux/OSX) suffice to install the Android SDK and you're good to go. Of course you can't do anything you want (like playing with system applications) unless you have rooted your phone (from what I gathered the ability/dangerousness to do that is manufacturer specific, --I had no problem doing it to my phone--).
Not to add "oil on the fire" (translated from french : rajouter de l'huile sur le feu, if anyone knows the english equivalent plz I want to know it) but, android is open source... so anyone can look, modify rebuild and...etc. So it is highly unlikely (notice the probabilistic tone) that the statement above is true.
The key is neither copyrighted nor patented but rather a trade secret. Anyone entrusted by SONY with that secret cannot divulge it.. but if it is obtained by any other mean it is not protected by anything. The copyright claims in regard to the PS3 suit was about circumvention --or rather potential for it-- (which is by US law equated with infringement) not the key it self.
"because more often then not, it's true" is a sane way to put, it implies probabilities. So Free/cheap !=> bad, and Paid !=> good. are not certain events. Be it in software or anything else.
In my country the laws are fine. At least for now, an election was forced and the bills introduced in parliament to facilitate this kind of things died.
I was speaking of yours (I'm assuming you're south of us). See posts bellow about something in Michigan, and the "plain sight" thingy.
I have absolutely no problem with people or companies knowing my actions. I follow applicable laws, and I know how to sue those that don't. If the insurance company promises me (in a legally-binding way) that recording me driving safely will lower my premiums, I'd be happy to bring a salesman to work with me daily. If they just want to put a radio beacon in my car, that's fine. An app would work too, I suppose. If, after presenting a record that appears to be safe, they don't lower my premiums or explain what I did that was unsafe, I do have a few lawyers I visit regularly.
There : the nothing to hide argument.... very very dangerous !
The court order part isn't really true (nor false), as it seam (a very grey area of the law) if you have the phone on you any cop arresting you for any reason can fiddle with it. add to that the fact : there are tools to extract a lot of info from any phones. And you have a recipe for disaster.
Yeah so it seams. And I'm not ok with or trying to justify anything like that. I was just point that the fact that even if IP!=Identity holds true, it's all they got and an investigation has to start somewhere. So Asking the ISP for the identity of the guy doesn't mean guilty until proven innocent.
My comment wasn't really as it may seem directed to you personally. I was just the straw that broke the camel (in a way). I'm glade to see you;re thinking the way you;re thinking... I just wish that others come to understand that and think like you. b/c in the end we stand to loose, as the companies are making their money and they don't give a fuck about our privacy or anything else as long as it doesn't cost them.
(Just a note: As it seams, the droids keep a file to cache locations exactely the same way as the iphone, and you need root to access to read it-- one guy did test it, and made a program to read it, I didn't try it --, on the phone it is as inaccessible as it is on the iphone. the only difference is that it's limited to and it's never synced to any computer)
Sorry I don't agree. The temptation to stick it to other camps is irresistible but one should fight it. There are odd numbers and there even numbers but in the end they're all Natural numbers. Being in the Wrong let's stay in the wrong without nuances. Fanboisme will get us no where but to a worse outcome. Divided, we should not be!
Forcing Apple to fix this, will send a message and a very strong one to all the players out there!
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Neither does apple (for OSX that is you don't "absolutely" need X-code ... IOS an other beast). I'm not defending apple here, just saying that if you need to develop something for some platform you need to have access to that platform (Windows / OSX / Linux / *BSD* ...etc).
does Visual Studio exist outside the Microsoft ecosystem?
The same argument could be used with linux/osx ... let's say I managed to get root access in either (remotely using some fresh exploit) and put a backdoor and a running damon (to do what ever ; connect to irc://evil.net/DDoSonDemand or send spam ..etc). how would you notice it or what makes linux so special that you would notice it ???
and I perfectly agree with that !
you can go out and buy a floppy disk. Other OS wasn't a burden but assuming it was stop simply supporting it ... don;t remove it! or let those who are willing to do it do it !
As for the "sold at a loss" it;s no fucking excuse!
They are ass hats, so what? catch them and prosecute them !
stating that fact neither makes make sony's position more conformable nor excuses their actions.
What you;re advocating here is some king of skinner behaviorism. ppl are not as dumb! they need information. .. there need to be a perfect flow of information b/c ppl tend to ingest it before making decision. which in most markets (all of them?) is a "not" met condition !
So the theory is good (and I'm considered a leftist)
sarcasm, right?
meh .. these are one of the endangered species.
Don;t know about all the carriers/manuf but for samsung phones (The one I have) they provide those drivers if you're on windows, if you;re not (linux/OSX) suffice to install the Android SDK and you're good to go. Of course you can't do anything you want (like playing with system applications) unless you have rooted your phone (from what I gathered the ability/dangerousness to do that is manufacturer specific, --I had no problem doing it to my phone--).
can you please elaborate???
but the same could be said of Google.
Not to add "oil on the fire" (translated from french : rajouter de l'huile sur le feu, if anyone knows the english equivalent plz I want to know it) but, android is open source ... so anyone can look, modify rebuild and...etc. So it is highly unlikely (notice the probabilistic tone) that the statement above is true.
The key is neither copyrighted nor patented but rather a trade secret. Anyone entrusted by SONY with that secret cannot divulge it .. but if it is obtained by any other mean it is not protected by anything. The copyright claims in regard to the PS3 suit was about circumvention --or rather potential for it-- (which is by US law equated with infringement) not the key it self.
And it's X Window (notice the absence of the S)
"because more often then not, it's true" is a sane way to put, it implies probabilities. So Free/cheap !=> bad, and Paid !=> good. are not certain events. Be it in software or anything else.
Oh sorry them, my assumption was incorrect :-)
that's a more generic social/economical problem. Free/less expensive is always perceived as less quality.
In my country the laws are fine. At least for now, an election was forced and the bills introduced in parliament to facilitate this kind of things died.
I was speaking of yours (I'm assuming you're south of us). See posts bellow about something in Michigan, and the "plain sight" thingy.
I have absolutely no problem with people or companies knowing my actions. I follow applicable laws, and I know how to sue those that don't. If the insurance company promises me (in a legally-binding way) that recording me driving safely will lower my premiums, I'd be happy to bring a salesman to work with me daily. If they just want to put a radio beacon in my car, that's fine. An app would work too, I suppose. If, after presenting a record that appears to be safe, they don't lower my premiums or explain what I did that was unsafe, I do have a few lawyers I visit regularly.
There : the nothing to hide argument .... very very dangerous !
The court order part isn't really true (nor false), as it seam (a very grey area of the law) if you have the phone on you any cop arresting you for any reason can fiddle with it. add to that the fact : there are tools to extract a lot of info from any phones. And you have a recipe for disaster.
u candian by any chance??:)
we have this circus in Canada !!!!
Yeah so it seams. And I'm not ok with or trying to justify anything like that. I was just point that the fact that even if IP!=Identity holds true, it's all they got and an investigation has to start somewhere. So Asking the ISP for the identity of the guy doesn't mean guilty until proven innocent.
My comment wasn't really as it may seem directed to you personally. I was just the straw that broke the camel (in a way). I'm glade to see you;re thinking the way you;re thinking ... I just wish that others come to understand that and think like you. b/c in the end we stand to loose, as the companies are making their money and they don't give a fuck about our privacy or anything else as long as it doesn't cost them.
(Just a note: As it seams, the droids keep a file to cache locations exactely the same way as the iphone, and you need root to access to read it-- one guy did test it, and made a program to read it, I didn't try it --, on the phone it is as inaccessible as it is on the iphone. the only difference is that it's limited to and it's never synced to any computer)
Sorry I don't agree. The temptation to stick it to other camps is irresistible but one should fight it. There are odd numbers and there even numbers but in the end they're all Natural numbers. Being in the Wrong let's stay in the wrong without nuances. Fanboisme will get us no where but to a worse outcome. Divided, we should not be!
Forcing Apple to fix this, will send a message and a very strong one to all the players out there!