Android ??? it doesn't log your location or at least it asks you if you want to share (anonymously) your location, you can refuse. but it doesn't log it behind your back
yeah the service is an opt in you need a mobile me account, and i'm not even sure if it's free. So, why the logging isn't an opt in? why isn;t there a way to deactivate it ???
Clearly you;re ok with that but some ppl aren't especially if it is forced down their throats (if all manufacturer are doing that). Personally i'd like to have a say in it it's Freaking machine it should behave as I the owner of it tell it to behave. !
True, but There is a feature that the iphone has that android doesn;t it is a per application white list for the access of location service.... with this file sitting in the phone's memory. ANY application whether on or off that white list has access to it. Besides... if the phone wants to log it should ask the owner if it's Ok with them to do that or at least inform them of that !!! As someone stated above... it's a privacy nightmare/fiasco.
while you can forget sshfs for now (at least for android), there are ssh clients and SFTP clients for android and ios (don;t know about other platforms). So you can ssh mount the encrypted volume and then SFTP... voila (not as easy as the dropbox client may be, but not the end of the world either )
The choice is yours:-). It was a wink (;)), but on a more serious note it seams that piracy is a way of the market adapting/reacting (not saying good or bad), so I would humbly go for insightful (an other;))
the servers are indeed provided by sony and you have absolutely no say in it (only other choice is don;t buy the game of the console for that matter)....
most of go to the publisher. and most the money that went to the Dev company will go in the pocket of CEO and stuff the devs have a salary and that's that.
the problem with every market is middle men. It's either too much or too hungry/greedy. The numbers crunched in the parent aren;'t that off.
is that sarcasm ???
Extra cost they imposed on themselves. At some point in time (PC mostely) there was the possibility to have private dedicated servers (the osftware came with the games : Unreal, Unreal Tournament Quack... etc) for anyone who wished to host one... and there were no extra cost for anyone except may be for those who chose to host the servers.
no it's not a carbon copy. i own have both the iphone 3gs and the galaxy s.. one has nothing to do with other. the galaxy is way bigger (untill recently it was the phone with the largest screen). The back of the galaxy is not rounded like the iphone. You can't really mistake one for the other.
That may be true. But the post I was replying to was implying legal restriction (b/c of US law) on exporting cryptography. If there were such restriction it would be b/c of Canadian laws which are very different from US laws (and they'll stay that way of we manage to get Harper out:P).
Sorry I confused the tow terms BIS and BES. In the case of BES (at least I hope so) most probably the company (the user) holds the keys.
In BIS case who does ???
in the case of an enterprise BIS (blackberry Internet service) it is may be true. but in the case of a regular BIS who does??? The carrier or RIM? it is certainly not the end user. Users have absolutely no control over the device (imagine : without a BIS only on wifi you can do anything other than surfing the web with some 3rd party browser --)
Agreed.. but with DRM, it is I don't trust you in spite of paying the premium (you don't get drm if you pirate do you?)! As someone stated somewhere in this thread, it is their way of saying "we don;t trust you to behave" and me not buying their product is saying I don't trust you either.
And then there's also a certain about of ill will you feel towards the companies who do it -- maybe not a tangible, but I think it impacts my thinking and spending towards those publishers.
A simple explanation of that "ll will you feel towards..." : by placing DRM they're are clearly not trusting anyone buying their product. Would you really trust someone who clearly doesn't trust you? how dare they expect and demand trust? it is both ways or the highway...
since when a profit is a sure thing ???? you make a bet you win or loose, that is a "free market" as they say.
the way sony is acting is like the bully of the school you play by my rules or ELSE you eat your teeth. This is Civil/Legal violence/bullying! If I remember correctly the bullied needs protection and the bully spend some time in the principle's office, not the other way around.
what would you say if Microsoft decides tomorrow to do the same?
This whole fiasco is about the console its self not the games.
What he did (and other's did too) is certainly a necessary step to get closer to piracy but it is not sufficient. for that you one need to patch the GamesOS kernel (wichi some did, after and before). were you talking about the USB dongles that were sold for 150$ I would have understood it was certainly aimed for backup but piracy is most welcome secondary effect, but the custom/modified firmware/jail breaking aren't they are there to permit to who ever wants it to do other things than play with their console. if some elect to do evil stuff with that how is he pr anyone else responsible???
are Smith&Weason or Colt responsible for the murders purported with the fire arms they manufacture? Is Boeing or AA responsible for 9/11?? is Microsft reposnible for the myriad of virus developed with Visual studio??
Again this has to to everything witth he console it self not the games. As a lot hve said it I say it again the freaking thing IS the PROPERTY of who ever bought it, Sony is no in no position to tell them what to do with it !.
On Iphone jailbreak:
"When one jailbreaks a smartphone in order to make the operating system on that phone interoperable with an independently created application that has not been approved by the maker of the smartphone or the maker of its operating system, the modifications that are made purely for the purpose of such interoperability are fair uses. "
not only carrier unlock but also the jailbreak in order to use applications other thaan the ones provided by apple.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/breaking-down-dmca-exemptions-pt-2-free-your-phone
so it is somehow related to what we're discussing here.
I'm already preaching to the converted so let's leave at that:)
Because the idea that they are 'making a profit' is based solely on the fact that the cost of the hardware is less than the cost it is sold at. This doesn't factor in distribution costs, R&D, a workforce for continual updates, etc... All of those costs are subsidized by sony, they are willing to subsidize those costs based on their assumption that you'll buy games and that some of the cost of those games will go to them to pay for the costs they subsidized on the console itself.
Well that is in part the nature of software (continious maintenance), and in some other part it is the "Cost of doing business". So it is already accounted for -somehow- in the retail price. Using that argument one might say that Danon is subsidizing their yogurt (Trasnport, refregeration, R&D, Marketing.... etc). And by that account even the dev kit is subsidized.
That said, assuming that in fact it is still subsidized, what does that change??? do I (you or anyone else) still owe them something?? They set that price assuming that some might buy games some might not. That assumption is not set in stone, they were ready to let go the console for said price and nobody forced them to.
Either way even if the software in question is not mine, If it doesn't do what I expect it to do I think I have a right to tinker with it in the privacy of my living room
You might think that, but you'd be wrong, as per the license agreement, which has of course been upheld by courts.
IPhone jailbreak decision might disagree ?? seams the same to me.
But let's explore some other scenario: Let's say I found a way to dual boot the PS3, that is only possible b/c a of certain exploit in the GameOS, My tinkering led me to boot into some other environment that sony has nothing to do with I don't use nor distribute anything owned by them (Except the exploit b/c there is no choice), I might use it that way to do some stuff, reboot into GameOS and enjoy it for what originally it is ; a game console, I don't hurt them in any way, I'm simply enjoying what I paid for with my hard earned money.
What I just described was possible at some point in time. And will be possible may be with AsbestOS.
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Android ??? it doesn't log your location or at least it asks you if you want to share (anonymously) your location, you can refuse. but it doesn't log it behind your back
yeah the service is an opt in you need a mobile me account, and i'm not even sure if it's free. So, why the logging isn't an opt in? why isn;t there a way to deactivate it ???
Clearly you;re ok with that but some ppl aren't especially if it is forced down their throats (if all manufacturer are doing that). Personally i'd like to have a say in it it's Freaking machine it should behave as I the owner of it tell it to behave. !
True, but There is a feature that the iphone has that android doesn;t it is a per application white list for the access of location service .... with this file sitting in the phone's memory. ANY application whether on or off that white list has access to it. Besides ... if the phone wants to log it should ask the owner if it's Ok with them to do that or at least inform them of that !!! As someone stated above ... it's a privacy nightmare/fiasco.
while you can forget sshfs for now (at least for android), there are ssh clients and SFTP clients for android and ios (don;t know about other platforms). So you can ssh mount the encrypted volume and then SFTP ... voila (not as easy as the dropbox client may be, but not the end of the world either )
The choice is yours :-). It was a wink (;)), but on a more serious note it seams that piracy is a way of the market adapting/reacting (not saying good or bad), so I would humbly go for insightful (an other ;))
the servers are indeed provided by sony and you have absolutely no say in it (only other choice is don;t buy the game of the console for that matter)....
most of go to the publisher. and most the money that went to the Dev company will go in the pocket of CEO and stuff the devs have a salary and that's that.
the problem with every market is middle men. It's either too much or too hungry/greedy. The numbers crunched in the parent aren;'t that off.
is that sarcasm ??? ... etc) for anyone who wished to host one ... and there were no extra cost for anyone except may be for those who chose to host the servers.
Extra cost they imposed on themselves. At some point in time (PC mostely) there was the possibility to have private dedicated servers (the osftware came with the games : Unreal, Unreal Tournament Quack
or pirates :-)
rumored to be touchwiz 4, no?
no it's not a carbon copy. i own have both the iphone 3gs and the galaxy s.. one has nothing to do with other. the galaxy is way bigger (untill recently it was the phone with the largest screen). The back of the galaxy is not rounded like the iphone. You can't really mistake one for the other.
That may be true. But the post I was replying to was implying legal restriction (b/c of US law) on exporting cryptography. If there were such restriction it would be b/c of Canadian laws which are very different from US laws (and they'll stay that way of we manage to get Harper out :P).
Sorry I confused the tow terms BIS and BES. In the case of BES (at least I hope so) most probably the company (the user) holds the keys.
In BIS case who does ???
in the case of an enterprise BIS (blackberry Internet service) it is may be true. but in the case of a regular BIS who does??? The carrier or RIM? it is certainly not the end user. Users have absolutely no control over the device (imagine : without a BIS only on wifi you can do anything other than surfing the web with some 3rd party browser --)
isn;t RIM a canadian company ???
Why should US law apply if they're technically exporting from canada ???
Agreed .. but with DRM, it is I don't trust you in spite of paying the premium (you don't get drm if you pirate do you?)! As someone stated somewhere in this thread, it is their way of saying "we don;t trust you to behave" and me not buying their product is saying I don't trust you either.
the methodology is as important (may be more ) than the conclusion : https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Truth_table#Logical_implication.
What you start with is very important, if it is not true you can conclude what ever you want and the whole statement will be true.
And then there's also a certain about of ill will you feel towards the companies who do it -- maybe not a tangible, but I think it impacts my thinking and spending towards those publishers.
A simple explanation of that "ll will you feel towards ..." : by placing DRM they're are clearly not trusting anyone buying their product. Would you really trust someone who clearly doesn't trust you? how dare they expect and demand trust? it is both ways or the highway ...
I think by "control freak assholes" he meant apple ..
since when a profit is a sure thing ???? you make a bet you win or loose, that is a "free market" as they say.
the way sony is acting is like the bully of the school you play by my rules or ELSE you eat your teeth. This is Civil/Legal violence/bullying! If I remember correctly the bullied needs protection and the bully spend some time in the principle's office, not the other way around.
what would you say if Microsoft decides tomorrow to do the same? This whole fiasco is about the console its self not the games. /jail breaking aren't they are there to permit to who ever wants it to do other things than play with their console. if some elect to do evil stuff with that how is he pr anyone else responsible???
What he did (and other's did too) is certainly a necessary step to get closer to piracy but it is not sufficient. for that you one need to patch the GamesOS kernel (wichi some did, after and before). were you talking about the USB dongles that were sold for 150$ I would have understood it was certainly aimed for backup but piracy is most welcome secondary effect, but the custom/modified firmware
are Smith&Weason or Colt responsible for the murders purported with the fire arms they manufacture? Is Boeing or AA responsible for 9/11?? is Microsft reposnible for the myriad of virus developed with Visual studio?? Again this has to to everything witth he console it self not the games. As a lot hve said it I say it again the freaking thing IS the PROPERTY of who ever bought it, Sony is no in no position to tell them what to do with it !.
The news is just sensationalistic about everything to attract eyeballs, and the majority of Americans buy it hook, line, and sinker.
an yet ...
... that could be a start.
you might want to look for the difference between causality and correlation
On Iphone jailbreak: "When one jailbreaks a smartphone in order to make the operating system on that phone interoperable with an independently created application that has not been approved by the maker of the smartphone or the maker of its operating system, the modifications that are made purely for the purpose of such interoperability are fair uses. " not only carrier unlock but also the jailbreak in order to use applications other thaan the ones provided by apple. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/breaking-down-dmca-exemptions-pt-2-free-your-phone :)
so it is somehow related to what we're discussing here. I'm already preaching to the converted so let's leave at that
Because the idea that they are 'making a profit' is based solely on the fact that the cost of the hardware is less than the cost it is sold at. This doesn't factor in distribution costs, R&D, a workforce for continual updates, etc... All of those costs are subsidized by sony, they are willing to subsidize those costs based on their assumption that you'll buy games and that some of the cost of those games will go to them to pay for the costs they subsidized on the console itself.
Well that is in part the nature of software (continious maintenance), and in some other part it is the "Cost of doing business". So it is already accounted for -somehow- in the retail price. Using that argument one might say that Danon is subsidizing their yogurt (Trasnport, refregeration, R&D, Marketing .... etc). And by that account even the dev kit is subsidized.
That said, assuming that in fact it is still subsidized, what does that change??? do I (you or anyone else) still owe them something?? They set that price assuming that some might buy games some might not. That assumption is not set in stone, they were ready to let go the console for said price and nobody forced them to.
Either way even if the software in question is not mine, If it doesn't do what I expect it to do I think I have a right to tinker with it in the privacy of my living room You might think that, but you'd be wrong, as per the license agreement, which has of course been upheld by courts.
IPhone jailbreak decision might disagree ?? seams the same to me.
But let's explore some other scenario: Let's say I found a way to dual boot the PS3, that is only possible b/c a of certain exploit in the GameOS, My tinkering led me to boot into some other environment that sony has nothing to do with I don't use nor distribute anything owned by them (Except the exploit b/c there is no choice), I might use it that way to do some stuff, reboot into GameOS and enjoy it for what originally it is ; a game console, I don't hurt them in any way, I'm simply enjoying what I paid for with my hard earned money.
What I just described was possible at some point in time. And will be possible may be with AsbestOS.