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Apple Sues Samsung Over Galaxy Phones and Tablets
mystikkman writes "In the latest patent suit to hit the smartphone industry, Apple is suing Samsung, alleging the Galaxy line of phones and tablets infringe on a number of Apple's patents. 'Samsung's Galaxy Tab computer tablet also slavishly copies a combination of several elements of the Apple Product Configuration Trade Dress,' Apple says in its suit, noting that Samsung's tablet, like Apple's, uses a similar rectangular design with rounded corners, similar black border and array of icons. Apple previously sued HTC over Android. If Samsung is found to be infringing on the software, all the Android OEMs could be vulnerable."
Didn't Windows copy the Lisa & Mac "trade dress"? How did that turn out Apple?
"uses a similar rectangular design with rounded corners, similar black border"
What is wrong with these people?
Please, anyone at all? How on earth is this reasonable?
An iPad is the only device on the planet allowed to have a rectangular shape and rounded corners!
Yeah. fuck them. its as elaborately as can be put. "Hey, you cannot use our moving-your-hand-to-right-to-move-a-page-right" 'innovation'. because, well, millions of fanbois have pumped up our control freakness by obliging with everything we did to them, and we think everyone will do the same.
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It's got rounded corners, it's black, it's rectangular, and it's a tablet.
Beat that, Apple.
Trade dress is not the same as patent. I don't see why Apple bothers with the trade dress argument -- it spectacularly failed with Windows.
Saying that, my mum has seen this phone in mobile shops saying they are selling a cheap version of the iphone there so it clearly does have some visual similarities. She isnt the first person who has ever said that to me either.
When my boss bought a galaxy tab I was curious to check it out. I spent about 5 minutes playing with it, handed it back to him, and said, "They're gonna wind up in court over this thing". I'm indifferent when it comes to android vs. ios. I have both a Droid X and an iPhone 4, and I use both every day. I find things about both platforms that are unique and that I prefer to the other. However, when you look at what Samsung did with their UI... It's pretty pathetic to be honest. They literally copied entire app UIs wholesale (even icons). There is no question that you can argue that all mail apps look similar, but this was almost pixel for pixel. They went so far as to make their own UI widgets (instead of the stock android ones) that looked JUST like the Apple ones. I'm not a huge fan of software patents, but there's a difference between similarities in programs that do the same function and literally just ripping off EXACTLY what another company does.
So I heard you liek tablets with rectangular designs with rounded corners and black borders, so we put a lawsuit on you.
They may as well be suing them because "their thing has stuff, and our thing already has stuff."
The idea and design of the flip phone is much more unique and sophisticated then a "rectangular design with rounded corners, similar black border and array of icons". Did someone try to patent the general design of the flip phone?
I doubt it since every seems to make a flip phone and I've never heard of anyone being sued over it. Maybe greater sanity prevailed back then.
I just can't put my finger on it. http://fortclatsopbookstore.com/shop/images/143_1.jpg
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I've seen fake iPhones that look less like iPhones than that Galazy i9000 in the picture. I was ready to jump on the Slashdot bandwagon and complain about patents and trade dress. But that looks like an iPhone knock off. And seeing that there are competing phones that don't look like an iPhone, I think Apple has a case here.
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I wonder if these suits could be filed with a checkbox marked "Routine Patent Defense" so it doesn't waste everyone's time. I'm guessing it won't make any difference but a company should defend its patents. Or maybe that's trademarks. I'll just go back to mopping floors here...
Its a Tablet.
How else is it supposed to look? It has to be rectangular, since its the most natural shape. And it has to be thin. If you put sharp edges, it'll feel uncomfortable , so you round them. Simple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablets_of_Stone
Where did Apple get their idea for the mouse, or for the personal computer for that matter? They took it from Xerox.
I have a samsung galaxy S and my bud here besides me has an iPhone 4. One could say they are similar as in both are phones and have a screen...
Tired of my customary (Score:1)
All non-apple handheld devices must now follow specific design requirements if they compete on any level with an apple product.
1 - They shall not be rectangular in shape. Circular, Conic, and Toroidal are occasionally acceptable, but pentagonal is preferred.
2 - They shall not have rounded corners. All corners and edges should be as discomfortingly sharp as possible, preferably to the point of drawing blood.
3 - They shall not be black, or white, in fact, we claim all primary colors. They can use fecal brown, puke green, or plaid because we don't like plaid.
4 - As our icons are based on a representation of the action or item it represents, theirs can't. We don't care what it is, as long as it doesn't look cool and gives you no idea what it's actually for, other than that, the sky's the limit.
I think that just about sums it up. >^_^<
Looking at all of my devices (monitors, computer, keyboard, mouse, phone, etc.), everything is rectangular with rounded corners. The only variance is how much the corners are rounded and how thick it is. What nonsense.
from 1968 -.they want their Monolith with rounded corners back
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All this talk of companies copying other companies is really confusing.
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Ya, Apple and Windows did go head to head, over the GUI. Thats IMHO why the Windows GUI is so bad. Windows did everything backwards to keep from getting sued. But now you are use to it, now normal interfaces seem strange.
On another Topic some one was wondering where the standard interfaces where. Well now you see it. until the man that can out litigate the rest will define what pad/pod/phone you will be using and how it will work.
Perhaps it is time to stop all this madness.
He's obviously copying my shape - Two legs and two arms connected by a central body, topped of with an ellipsoid-shaped appendage containing the CPU.
This has nothing to do with IP - and everything to do with leverage for better component pricing. Samsung is a big component supplier for many Apple devices. If Apple can force them to make changes to hardware/software designs through this litigation (which could cost Samsung a lot of $), then they can cut a deal for better pricing by trading licenses on the violated patents.
In fact, just the threat of litigation may be enough. Apple has a LOT more money to spend on this kind of stuff than Samsung. I suspect Apple did a financial analysis and decided that the $$ they'd spend on litigation would end up giving them better component pricing in the long run.
Apple is all about micro-managing the supply chain even more than it micro-manages the user experience and App Store submissions. It's why the iPad still can't be beaten on price.
This is interesting, given that Apple buys a lot of its flash and other important components from Samsung, by one estimate over $7B annually. Neither can afford to not do business with the other. Maybe this is the opening move in a components negotiation?
As a lawsuit this seems ineffective as a way of preventing competition. By the time this plods its way through the court, Samsung will be four product generations down the road. Maybe this is all just PR, a way for Apple to accuse Samsung of being "non-innovative" and spread general FUD about Android. But I don't think history has shown that to be a viable strategy. Moreover I have to say that as owner of both the iPhone and Galaxy S, the similarities between them are pretty superficial.
So Apple is claiming that they are stealing the rounded corners and rectangular shape? Should Hasbro sue Apple for "slavishly" stealing the Etch-A-Sketch? But the REAL point here is that NOBODY is going to mistake a Samsung Galaxy Tab for an iPad - they are completely different sizes (and personally, I find the 7 inch size FAR more useful than the 10 inch one)
Yeah, I know, that's what she said... grow up!
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I've defended you through a lot of what I thought was just mindless bitching on /. but I can't defend this. This is the dumbest suit I've seen in a long time.
Samsung's Galaxy Tab computer tablet also slavishly copies a combination of several elements of the Apple Product Configuration Trade Dress
So I've been seeing this all over the web today, and this is the first article I've seen that lets us know that it's trade dress or a "design patent" that is (allegedly) being infringed, rather than a software patent.
If Samsung is found to be infringing on the software, all the Android OEMs could be vulnerable.
Oh well, it's /. so the exaggeration at the end is to be expected. But no, if Apple is found to be infringing, the only other Android OEMs to be threatened would be the ones who tried to copy the iPhone's look as closely as possible, in other words, none as far as I know.
Seriously? So Galaxy S does kick Apple's butt to pain it! If you can't win them, sue them! :P
...the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
So is this promoting Progress of "Science" or "useful Arts"?
Apple says in its suit, noting that Samsung's tablet, like Apple's, uses a similar rectangular design with rounded corners
Samsung: "Yes, but our tablet's rounded corners contain hidden razor sharp blades, which can be extended, with an app, and then you can toss it across Starbucks like a frisbee like a flying guillotine."
Copying the GUI is a valid point, but making a tablet, that looks like a tablet . . . ? When I take the train to work, everyone seems to have a laptop or netbook . . . that all pretty seem to look alike.
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I can't think of any other natural shape for a tablet to be honest...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30580398@N03/4768040515/
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No kidding. I'm still trying to figure out how MS missed the obviously intuitive UI element of using the trash can for eject.
Wouldn't you rather have apple try to outdo Samsung by creating some awesome new features in their next phone/tablet? Instead of tryign to push Samsung backwards?
Technology is kinda like a race. You can either win by having the better technology/features/whatever, or you can win by pushing everyone else back.
I would rather everyone focuses their efforts on pushing technology forward instead. The consumers are the ones who end up winning in the end.
Erm.. sorry Apple, I love (some of) your products to death, but as a company you sure try as you might to get on my bad side. My Palm Tungsten from the year Sword and Shield looks a lot like an iPhone too, with the grid of icons on the homescreen and all (also, Galaxy S' homescreen incidentally DOESN'T have the icons, you have to hit the app drawer icon first, the homescreen itself is completely customizable...).
Unlike with the iPHONE....Apple is not getting a 2-3 year head start in the tablet wars....and just like how DROID OS Phones have overtaken the iPhone....so shall it happen with Android Tablets.
You figured that Apple would have learned some lessons from the 80s.....but Jobs was arrogant then...and he is still arrogant now. History repeating itself......just replace Microsoft with Google this time around.
Ever since they started earning a profit the new Silver Apple has become a real jerk........anyone else miss the little company with the Rainbow Apple that did its own thing and was happy having its own niche and intelligent cult following instead of the bunch of the elitist idiotic non-tech style over substance twits that compromise the Apple fans of the of the 21st century??
I was watching the first Christopher Reeve Superman movie today, and noticed that Lex Luthor's monitors appear strikingly similar to current Apple products. I think someone should sue them for appropriating the trade dress of whoever produced those 1970s props.
Ford is suing GM, noting that GM's products, like Ford's, use a similar lumpy design with rounded corners, at least four wheels, black tires, and and array of similar paint colors. "Incredibly," said one Ford spokesperson, "GM's products can be driven around and used for transportation of goods. Totally unacceptable".
Apple is suing Judaism and Christianity (for having the Ten Commandments on Tablets) and God (for using the Title ' iAm That iAm'
Well if you want to bring Palm into it, then the first Apple Newton (1993) predates the the first Palm Pilot (1996). Grid of icons is present on both. There might be a handheld device that uses a touch like interface (stylus in this case) that predates the Newton and uses icon grids, but I don't know what it would be.
"uses a similar rectangular design with rounded corners, similar black border"
We want triangles!
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When you hold the galaxy in your hand with fingers touching the outside casing, the phone still gets signal.
If anything apple should/could sue samsung, saying samsung created a version of the Apple iPhone that works like it should. with less of a learning curve since the icons apparently resemble the ones Apple is using.
As long as samsung didnt use apple logos, they should *in a correct world* be fine... its not like they jailbroke a iPhone, and copied out the original icons to use in their competing device.
http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/tungsten_XX.jpg
I cite prior art.
Really - you know, the scourge of 'closing in the customers, locking them, controlling them, deciding what they can do' ? its Apple's doing.
10 years ago it wasnt like that. Openness was the order of the day. proliferation of ibm pc had had created an environment that had the theme 'you can do whatever you want with your device'. this also prevailed in software. despite there was so much need for standardization and access controls for pc based software, all software was made thinking that people would do anything they want with it.
but then came apple's success with all those fanbois. and all the buzz talk, hype-tech talk that went on in the media. their fanaticism, waiting a week in lines, their dedication to buy things by paying heaps more, and apple profiting on and on and on, made good news. despite google was shattering a lot of barriers for example, more talk was done on apple, its hype, success etc.
what do you expect other companies would to then ? they saw apple, their good profit margins, their control over their customer base, they saw they not only got away with locking their customers in and milking them, but they made profit, and noone sued or prosecuted apple for that, including government. on and on.
You let this thing happen for half a decade, and it was inevitable all would jump in. and voila. everyone is now trying to lock in their customers. everyone became control freaks.
Now it is at the point of claiming ownership of very basic things, like word apple, (the lawsuit in australia), the word 'app' (despite it has been used before that), and now simple moves and motions.
you reap what you saw. its as simple as that. we have apple fanbois' unconsciousness to thank this era of closed-in computing for. well done. now all our devices' cases will be shiny and cool, but they wont open. (remember apple services' screwdriver bastardry)
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Tax the living hell out of frivolous law suits...
Court rooms and payrolls should be tacked onto judgments on who ever loses...
Anything patent related should be heavily heavily hit with administration fees... all proceeds to go onto the national debt...
After all... who better to tax than companies that are more interested in leveraging patents to keep competition at bay so they can gouge the end consumer.
Who needs WiFi when we can have Packet Over Sheep! http://datacomm.org/PoS-InternetDraft.txt
They're suing over making a rectangle with rounded corners?
Are they that fucking stupid? What's next, patenting the circle?
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
Apple has no "don't be evil" motto and it shows
"...rectangular design with rounded corners, similar black border and array of icons..." Humm, seems I've seen something like this before. Do they mean it looks similar to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tablet.jpg
Apple really needs to get over themselves.
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So everyone that has any black in their print must pay me.
If this isn't the silliest ting i have heard in a long time i don't know what is.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Its not a patent infringement, its copyright.
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pipe down fanboi. no need to be THAT aggravated. keep the iRage until jobs pops out a product for it.
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Will nullify this stupid argument?
I can see arguing if the 'look and feel' of the UI is the same, but come on, 'square with rounded corners and a border' ??? Even if they were the first to market with a tablet ( which they are not ) its still stupid.
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The original "iPhone" from 2002
I wonder whether Apple us suing Samsung because they want royalty free access to a patent that Samsung owns?
Big companies like this often like to sue to get a better deal on something a competitor holds. They probably really dont care otherwise that Samsung is vaguely copying the trade dress - anyhow I am surprised that trade dress is even a patentable concept.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
Every time I see a Mac user drag a removable device to trash, I picture the device being formatted.
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Instead of reading the summary, which provokes the thought you deride (rounded corners?) . Have a look at the photos.
The photos show the samsung is a slavish copy. they also show that the features it copies so slavishly are exactly the ones captured in the apple design illustrations they patented.
I agree that just saying rounded corners and black borders makes this seem idiotic. Compare the photos and you will see this phone is a lot closer to the iphone in outward appearance than the HTC or Nexus phones.
Samsung can easily make other phone designs but chose to make a carbon copy. They asked for it.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
I seem to remember being told as a kid that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - Apple is acting like they're still in grade school.
"Juuuuudggggeeeee they're copying meeeeeeeeeee!"
While I totally agree that Samsung tried very, very hard to have the Galaxy phone and its UI look as much as an iPhone as possible, it's totally hopeless to sue them.
I mean, they're black rectangles with rounded corners and colorful icons in a grid on the screen. Still, others managed to give their phone a design that doesn't cry "iPhone!" to everyone, asking or not. What Samsung did was totally uncreative and somewhat shameless, but not illegal.
Anyway: This is in no way subtle or random chance.
I mean. most of them are rectangular boxes with 2 or 3 drivers. Heck, with the grille on, they all look the same.
This is completely ridiculous....
How the heck do they expect Samsung to build a tablet? round and angled at 90 degrees at the middle?
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
... that's why I don't buy Apple. Vote with your wallet they say. So yeah, there.
Upgrade to a Xoom. :)
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That would be the intuitive action that should happen. I get that in 1984, that kind of crappy UI MIGHT have been understandable, but that understanding changed from mistake to incompetence 2 decades ago.
I still expect them to sue God over the name Apple.
Do you remember how they all had sharper corners and thin bezels and how nerds on slashdot criticized the iPad initially for having a wide bezel? The pre-ipad slates also had flat backs instead of curving ones. One could also talk about how the UI of honeycomb mimics the UI controls of iOS for the iPad especially in the calendar and email apps.
Finally, look at the dock connector and sync cable. It is basically a copy of the ipod/iPhone/iPad connector but with the pins reversed.
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not the actual homescreen. And there really is no other way to organize apps efficiently. So everyone defending apple are idiots. Moving on.
Yep. No other product ever used a green phone icon ever evarrr!!!! Apple was the first one... you got that right.
Didn't they just buy a metric shit-ton of screens for their new iPhone from Samsung?
Samsung should just tell them to go fuck themselves.
In the menu there is
Mac OS Classic
Special->Eject Disk
Mac OS X
File->Eject Disk
Dragging a disk to the trash is a short cut. It was never the primary method of ejecting a disk.
A little entertaining but useless trivia about that...
Way back when, the Mac allowed you to have "off-line volumes." This was a disk that the Mac knew about but it wasn't actually in the computer. This was necessary for you to be able to copy a file from one disk to another when your Mac only had one floppy drive. When you ejected a disk, the volume went off-line. To completely get rid of a disk, you would then drag that off-line image to the trash.
Most people didn't have a problem with this--you were throwing out the image and not the disk, which was no longer in the machine. I would show people this and they were fine with it.
So the "dragging the disk to the trash" became a shortcut for "Eject Disk, Drag Off-Line Disk Image to Trash." When I was teaching people to use Macintoshes, if I showed them the longer method (ie, Eject Disk, Drag Off-Line Disk Image to Trash) and then said, "Or you can just drag the disk to the trash" they seemed far more comfortable than if I didn't show them the longer method (That's where you usually heard the, "Won't that get rid of all my files?!!?")
Nowadays, the image of the Trashcan turns into an eject icon when you start dragging it.
The trash icon changes to an eject icon when you start moving a removable disk. It's worked that way for years now.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
It is still the same target. Having the icon change is an obvious attempt to try to legitimize a poor UI.
I worked in a software store way back when, and I regularly would have Mac owners come in and ask me how to eject a disk. They would ask multiple times if I really meant that the disk should be put in the trash, and if it that would delete there files. It was a bad UI choice then, and having the icon change while dragging is a bad UI choice now. You shouldn't have to start dragging the disk around to find out where it goes.
TV manufacturers beware! Most hi-def TVs these days have a black border around a screen, and many have rounded edges. Icons depicting button functions too. I get the spirit of it, but if every TV manufacturer sued each other over the universal design of TVs these days, we'd either have some cracked-out looking TVs or whoever made the first black bordered LCD getting royalties out the ass. On second thought, whoever made the that first round edged, black bordered LCD needs to sue Apple. Let's just finally create the royal cluster**** that will result in the patent reform we so desperately need
That is a rational at best. It is comments like that that get Mac users accused of being fanboys. Dropping a disk in the trash to eject is simply bad UI design. Having other ways to accomplish an eject doesn't change that.
First off android was being developed before iOS. The iOS market only came into play a year after iPhone1 came out. Android market came out a few months later. iPad had apps designed for it right out of the gate. Honeycomb apps came a full year after.
In summary, the tablet lead apple enjoys is 2x as much as their iPhone lead and it is growing.
And yes apple plans to slow down honeycomb because they plan to make an example of android. Not just win but completely destroy honeycomb. Because doing so will also win the phone wars. The app quality on the iPad is much much better.
I tend to think of these wars as a race to collect the best software minds on earth. He who has the most brains wins.
Microsoft won because they had the apps. It is almost impossible for google to win the tablet wars when they don't have an ecosystem in place for wifi only google devices.
You could of course also just right click on it (or option/alt click if you have a single button mouse/crappy track pad config) and select Eject ... which is the typical intuitive thing to do for someone like yourself.
How else would you have it done?
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You could of course also just right click on it
What is this right click that you speak of? The lack of a right mouse button on the track pad is the main reason I would never buy a mac laptop (although my mac mini is nice, with my logitech mouse).
They were much thicker, because they were full on computers, but that's how they looked. We have a couple of old ones hanging on the wall in our office showing Nagios an MRTG. Also some of the professors have convertible tablet laptops, you spin the screen around and lock it in place, making it a tablet. In all cases rectangular devices, rounded corners, like any other laptop more or less.
Compared to the old Motion Computing M1200 tablets we have the iPad is thinner, shinier, smaller, and blacker. Both are rectangles with rounded corners. The M1200 was released in 2002, by the way.
Surprise, click with two fingers executes a right click, and it feels *way* more intuitive than having a separate button.
I would have put an eject button right under the drive, as that would have give the option of removing the disk even if the computer was turned off. Just about anything would be better than having it go to the same target as the trashcan though. Your explination of other ways to do it doesn't change the fact that using the same target drop point as the trashcan for eject is poor UI.
Agreed. If they said, "How do you eject a disk?" and you said, "Drag it to the trash," I wouldn't blame them for going "Huwha!?"
Did you ever tell them to go to the File menu and choose "Eject"?
Also, I believe that in Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X, the "Eject" menu item started behaving the way you expected it to behave (ie, it didn't leave off-line volumes lying around).
I don't necessarily disagree--dragging the disk to the trash
I think Apple is getting worried. Their massive rise to success has been as a consumer electronics company. While they were doing fine as a computer company after the iMac and so on, they were still a small fry. MS could have bought them no problem with plenty of cash to spare. Their massive rise has all been on their consumer electronics line.
I mean look at the iPod. It wasn't the first MP3 player, not by a long shot. What it was is the first MP3 player that made MP3 players a fashion accessory. You had to have one to be cool, right down to the white earbuds that proclaimed your ownership (high end headphone companies started making white earbuds after that, had never been a demand for them before).
Well while that market certainly hasn't gone away, it has leveled off a whole lot. The new growth has been iOS. Smartphones and tablets, "computer like" toys if you like. Again, not the first smartphone, just one that really struck a chord with consumers. Blackberry was (and is) very enterprise focused and does very well there, but the iPhone was a toy that consumers wanted.
However newer Android phones are becoming a big threat. They are high power, have all the latest gadgets, and they are getting slick. HTC's Sense UI is a real nice one, and Apple sued them last year over it. Not to say default Android is bad, but it polishes things, makes them very pretty and friendly.
I think Apple is getting worried. While nobody has been very successful in competing with the iPod, Android seems to be making a real run on the iPhone, and now with tablets maybe on the iPad. It's growth has been astounding.
So I think Apple is trying to stomp on the more successful companies, the ones who are trying to make it real user friendly. My experience is with Sense since I got a Thunderbolt from work not long ago and I'm impressed. Compared to the Android phones I saw just a couple of years ago it is slick, pretty, and easy to use. You could give it to a non-technical user and I doubt they'd have any trouble.
I don't think this is a "We want a patent," thing, I think it is a "Shit these guys are going to screw over our new market, we have to try and stop it!" thing.
just like the equally intuitive function of pressing start to turn off your computer.
Copying the GUI is a valid point
1994 called,
It wants you to know that the "look and feel lawsuit" didn't turn out the way you think it did.
The Samsung OS customisations (TouchWiz) is a world apart from IOS despite similar external appearances to the untrained eye. TouchWiz still performs similar to vanilla Android in most respects. Any half respectable lawyer will rip shreds out of the "copying UI" argument using the Look and Feel case as a cudgel and Samsung can afford very competent lawyers.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
From *1992*. I'll admit it doesn't seem to have a grid of icons, but the Palm folks have that one pretty much covered
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Truly an American icon.
I don't think so.
The use of the derogatory "cunt" to refer to a man indicates the poster is most likely NOT American. "Cunt" is frequently used in a gender-neutral form in the United Kingdom and possibly other (non-American) English-speaking states. If I were a betting man, I'd bet on the South of England, probably Greater London.
My gf just picked up a MBP ... you can set the part of the trackpad where the normal right click button would be to react like a right click.
If that is the main thing keeping you from buying a macbook, I'd say buy it.
I prefer to just use linux, but I have to admit, the hardware and build quality is definitely nice. Neither the gf or I would touch an iPhone or iPad with a 10 foot pole though.
What's a push-up menu? In an Windows programs I've worked in, the menu reveals itself downwards.
Or was that the sound of something flying over my head?
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If so, then it was surely the gift that kept on giving. How many times has Apple stock split since then (and now trading at well over $300/share)?
I don't think it has split at all since then, but they still got a very good price for it although...
Microsoft made a killing on the deal
Microsoft didn't lose anything but they sold the stock quite some time ago and so did not really make much either.
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The lack of a right mouse button on the track pad is the main reason I would never buy a mac laptop
That's a pretty stupid reason, because you've always had either a right button or been able to treat part of the trackpad as a right button OR use Control+click as right button (which I think is actually a lot easier to use than a right button) OR use a hold-click kind of gesture to get to a right button alt click.
In fact the Mac has more ways to get to the alt menu than any other computer I can think of. To claim it does not have a right button is absurd.
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You shouldn't have to start dragging the disk around to find out where it goes.
In finder you can simply tell any mounted drives to eject with a single (direct) click - on the small eject icons next to them.
Or you can right-click on a drive and hit eject.
The dragging to eject still works but it's simply one of many ways.
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It is comments like that that get Mac users accused of being fanboys.
And it's nitpicky comments like yours that let the show the rest of us there are real, live, breathing Mac Haters that will take any opportunity to Hate.
Dropping a disk in the trash to eject is simply bad UI design.
Only if it's the primary path because it is non-intuituve. But as a secondary method, conceptually it's a way to say "this thing should leave my system", either file or drive - so it actually makes sense. Take that Apple Hater and smoke your Weed of Bitterness elsewhere.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Because anyone that points out flaws in the Mac OS is a "Mac Hater"? Riiiighhht. It does not make sense as a secondary method. It is bad UI and conceptually it's a way to say "This is garbage. I don't want it anymore".
Did anyone ever mention that software patents suck? Every element in a programming language, can be described mathematically. Every part. Every assignment. Every element. Pure math. Assignment operators, and/or/not/nand logic, loops, certainly (more easily) everything coming out of the ALU. Mathematical methods are not patentable, yet computer software is, and thats absurd. So why exactly do software patents suck? They suck productivity out of the economy. They suck money out of technology manufacturers. They suck willingness out of developers to create new, innovative software. New software could literally boost the entire economy, surpassing the US national debt. IBM has a lot invested. They all have a lot invested. But the truth is that they would all be much happier, if they knew that someone wouldn't be ready to sue them by implementing really new innovative software. Software patents are sucking quite a bit of life out of the industry.
so where do you drag it if you do want to format it?
"hey, where'd the trash can go?"
And will say again, fuck apple.
Now click both buttons at the same time. How'd that work out for you.
+ Funny
I don't use a Mac, but still I wonder. In what application you need to click both buttons?
Search RapidShare and MegaUpload!
The only thing I've ever seen this used for in a GUI is the back and forward actions in Opera. These days, Apple trackpads have swipe gestures to perform that function.
The only application I can think of for this is games, and if you're playing games with a trackpad then you're a Damn Fool.
True. But if you're trying to infer that the OS X ejecting UI is bad because a particular method of ejecting is bad, which I think is the implication here, then that's unfair. If you open a finder window and look at the sidebar, you'll see eject icons next to each ejectable volume. That's good UI design.
Personally, I prefer this method of ejecting. I keep my dock positioned on the left side of the screen, and since drive icons typically appear on the right hand side of the desktop, dragging to the trash means dragging them all the way across the screen.
Really, dragging to the trash is a piece of legacy UI that exists for the benefit of Apple's long-standing customers. Too often Apple has removed oddball functionality that users had come to expect and rely on. This is an example of them not doing that.
Yes, you're right, it is a rational argument.
On my laptop (HP, running Ubuntu), pressing both mouse buttons simulates a middle click, which I use for pasting, closing tabs, opening links in new tabs and so on. I believe the same can be achieved on a Mac (or this HP, for that matter) by tapping the touchpad with /3/ fingers.
Which isn't as hard as it sounds. And probably is easier on the macbooks 'cos they've got bigger touchpads. I think.
If anyone needs to be sued for rectangles with rounded edges, it's Microsoft. Just look at that blatant violation in MS Paint.
Maybe they'll name the Rolling Stones as co-defendants?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Another icon, with a burning jet fighter on it.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
And I'm betting Samsung's design missed the lost-reception-feature when you hold the phone incorrectly
Why the fuck not?
They should dispense with all the legalese and flowery terms and cut to the meat of it:
"We're suing you on the grounds that your product competes with ours and could hurt our profits. We were in this market first."
Free market, hah!
Have you actually used or seen a MacBook in the last several years? The whole damn trackpad is a single button. There is no second button. If you want to right-click, click with two fingers. Or put one finger down first then click with the second if you lack the dexterity. Or CTRL-click.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
... one might argue that Samsung have prior art to the iphone...
if (!signature) { throw std::runtime_error("No sig!"); }
isn't fucking rectangular? Hell I think stone tablets might have a bit of prior art here.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060914-oldest-writing.html
Not to mention those Babylonians and Mesopotamians loved those stone tablets!
There of course there was those Egyptian folks they loved the tablets as well, as did those Roman guys.
Then of course God made tablets, with rounded edges even. You gonna sue God next Apple?
It is still the same target. Having the icon change is an obvious attempt to try to legitimize a poor UI.
Negative. Having the users drag their devices to the trash is an obvious attempt to brainwash them into thinking their current hardware is garbage, and they need something new and shiny.
I can think of another...
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Oh I know they have hacked together a way to simulate a right click, but for some tasks its just not convenient. There are times when I do need to hit both buttons at once, and must resort to a mouse. I had a Macbook Pro for years (work issued). I am aware of the ways to fake a right click.
Umm, how about just having a fucking button on the front of the drive? Doesn't get much more intuitive than that.
jeez apple / darth job ,
feeling it's harder and harder to compete on the technical specs or price per units ? should ask why ford never sued gm or crisler for making a 4 weel vehicule running with an internal combustion engine ....... beecause it would look freaking RIDICULOUS , just as you are now .... poor little cry baby ..... go tell daddy and let the adults talk and abuse the court system in a RESPONSIBLE WAY
jeez apple / darth jobe
feeling harder and harder to compete on unit specs and unit price or what ? guess why FORD never sued gm or chrisler for making and selling 4 weel internal combustion engine individual vehicules ? BECAUSE THEY WOULD'VE LOOKED COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS JUST LIKE YOU GUYS ARE NOW , go tell daddy you little cry baby and LET THE ADULTS USE AND ABUSE THE COURT SYSTEM IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY .
The complete analysis is here http://thisismynext.com/2011/04/19/apple-sues-samsung-analysis/
The newer multitouch trackpads use a two finger click as a right click (and two finger drag as scroll...)
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Oh greedy man , why don't u and ur ridicolous claims fuck off forever.
The other shoe to drop is the apparent rumor that
the design team came to work on Fridays wearing
black turtle neck T-shirts.
My opinion is that the "tablet" and "phone" look
and feel like a tablet, phone, tri-corders and
other props as presented on StarTrek a long time
ago in a far away place.
One thing I dislike about the Android and like about
the iPhone is that it is easy to tell top from bottom
on an iPhone both tactually and visually. The
Android would do well to use the old thumb spot
that lantern slide projectionists used. The spot was
placed so a right handed man looking at the screen
with his thumb on the spot to keep the projection
from being upside down or backwards.
This difficulty in knowing which end is up
may be all that Android needs to undress
the apple suite.
Hmmm: T-shirt .ne. shoe
but are of type clothing.... so what the hey.
Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Windows won/was cleared of any wrong doing with regards to the Apple suing MS suit in the 80's. MS. / Windows was never in any danger of being sued after that initial B.S. suit by Apple in the 80's which end in MS's favor, and as a result Apple and it's customers suffered for years after that fiasco. By the way MS. gave Apple money for stock which was pretty worthless at the time and was more about lending a hand to a company that they wanted to stay afloat, etc. The only thing that you said that makes sense is to stop all this litigation and just make products/services that consumers want and/or prefer. Copyright/I.P. was never intended to lobby B.S. claims against competitors when the other company doesn't like something that their competitor does. Companies need to get over it and Government (worldwide) needs to cap and downgrade Copyright/I.P. to what it used to be with public domains works, limit the scope, open and/or provide more options for the protection of consumers against these corps., etc. Copyright/I.P. law is a joke and has only been used to stifle, rip off, and just plain out screw over others since it's easier to apply for a patent/trademark, etc then to invent something when they can just sue those that have made a successful product/service. Apple has been overly litigious recently with their broad scope of lawsuits against HTC, Nokia, Samsung, etc... Maybe Apple should just make the products and services and stop wasting everyones time and money with these frivolous suits simply because a rectangular design is similar to their product even though many others have produce something similar years earlier. Apple needs to just stop and move on.
test...
"rounded corners"
Does anyone remember the etch-a-sketch?