ummm. wrong. apple paid stock, and set up an appointment to look at (for specific r/d purposes) xerox's machine. microsoft did rip the gui, tho, but from a dev mac jobs gave them to dev sw. tom
'scuse me. there were many all-in-one computers before the ibm ps/1. the original mac predates it. so does the commodore pet. just a correction. your history is off, but the point is well taken. i can see going after e-machines and future power, but not the fish pc.
Information wants to be free. GPL/BSD/Artistic License it. Open Source roolz. Its Fair Use.
C/mon, guys. Give me a fscking break. This is for the good of 1) some charity who will make some much needed cash. 2) Teachers and administrators who want a clue. 3) all the young geeks who need these people to get a clue.
What happened to furthering "stuff that matters". THIS matters. More than Crusoe. More than Linux. More than RHAT or any other stock price. More than patents. People are going to get crucified for being different. The mass media spin is not being challenged from this perspective...except in NOT widely read places like/.
Go Jon and Hemos and Rob. I admire you stepping up and using whatever clout Andover has to voice these concerns and try to get some REAL exposure.
I dunno. Ask the guys at JPL/NASA. They seem to want to keep their Macs enough to complain loud and long. Alot of signla processing gets done on Macs at sci institutions, still. And for image processing...there is not really a substitute in the price range.
Windows is the standard - Windows has more than 75% market share worldwide, - Windows has more software programs, 10-50 times more than any other platform. - Windows is supported by the leaders in enterprise software, including Oracle, Siebel, SAP, Lawson, Sun,and Sybase.
Just can not abide with the tone of Palm's response.
I hate Microsoft. Never use it. Ever. Nothing from them infects my hdd. But, Palm is parrotting Microsoft's PC marketing message. None of this matters. I could give a crap about the number of software titles...Are they any good? This is used against Mac users constantly, but I have no trouble finding enough (too much, actually) software to run. This whole "standard" thing too pisses me off. This gets used vs. Linux constantly by PHBs. So fscking what if it won't run Office. There are options, some of which work better.
Me = Atheist Never dishonored mother or father ever
(how 'bout GW = xtian = called his mother "stupid" and he is xtian)
Shall I go on. Wonderful morals, these xtians. Hope my son or daughter does a damned sight better than these closed-minded ignorant cracker hypoctires.
The more I think about this, (1) the more I feel it is down right criminal to stick a backdoor like this into code. This can lead to massive problems for both individuals and businesses that have data stolen (2). Look at the trouble that (3) caused (4) the credit card companies with (5) credit card number lists stolen (6) from their (7) web servers. Add on top of this, (8)(9) there were (10) fraudlent charges to people's (11) credit cards. Deliberate backdoors like this and others make it all that much easier for a cracker or script kiddie (12) to break into a system. Who knows whether (13) this was the exploit used in any of the previous security breaches. I'd bet that some used it; (14) maybe (15)not all, but some. Ponder this: Would you accept a security system for your house if you knew it could be bypassed by anybody with a standard code? Corrections made by the grammar police. Fifteen errors in so short a post. Well, my work is done!
/. is News for Nerds and Stuff that Matters. It is about BSD, Science, Amigas, Macs, the WWW, SPAM, Congress, Filtering Software, M$, Admin/IT/IS, Coding, PCs, MIPS, RISC/CISC, Aibo, UF, Censorship, Patents, Intellectual Property, Hactivism, Corporatism, Individualism, SW TPM, B5, and alot of other cool stuff not shown on TV. There are alot of Macheads here. I know. I am one. MacWeek even has a slash box of sorts letting us know when there are Mac items for discussion/ learning here.
Be careful. I am sure that if the/. readership was polled, the total number of people who come here for stuff other than linux, or in addition to linux, may be as large as the poeple who come here _solely_ for linux news.
I agree, all the religions foster a space where we as humans are portrayed as small, weak, incomplete-in-ourselves. Which is why all of them, xtianity included, need to be monitored. Now, CoS is much more dangerous simply because they are very expert on brainwashing. But CoS is only different-in-degree (as opposed to different-in-kind) from any religion. All such practices (that celebrate myths as truths) should be discouraged.
Ummmmm. Pulp Fiction. (Face Off was ok, kinda). As for Cruise, he sucked ass in Eyes Wide Shut. Really helped kill that flic. The only thing I have ever seen him in where he did not suck was Magnolia. But, esentially you are right. 99% of Cruise/Travolta movies are dreck. But 99% of Hollywood is dreck, so according to the law of averages...
No. The above post is right. Amelio bought NeXT at the same price Gassee wanted for Be, which was nowhere near as developed as NeXT. The idea was to get NeXT. Jobs was hired as a consultant. Amelio did not plan on Jobs becoming CEO. It worked out that way, but not by design. It worked that way by boardroom politics. Jobs coming back as iCEO was a good thing (TM), but he was very underhanded in getting that position. Be was overpriced. Gassee wanted 400K for Be Inc. NeXT wanted the same amount. Anyone who looked at the deal, and the comparative merits of the two development teams would have made the same choice.
giggles at your post. OK so I should not have ranted so and went overboard. But I am serious. Maost of the analogies on/. operate pretty much how I said they do. You really can not tell me that DeCSS is like a gun. I mean a gun implies LIFE OR DEATH responsibility tied to your use/nonuse of it. DeCSS not that grave (pun not intended). It is not a gun. Not even a cheap jailhouse shiv. We are not going to convince a judge or the public with these lines of "reasoning."
The code is not a lockpick. It is not a bus. It is not a gun or the sky or a fucking mallard duck. Listen to the lawyer earlier in this post. These stupid analogies hurt the effectivity of our case (in court and in the court of public opinion). SHIT would you just listen to yourselves..."NO the code is an egg salad sandwich, only I can put it in my shoes because they are my shoes." "WORNG IDIOT: the code is egg foo young, and you can make a kickass yarmulke (little jewish hat thing) out of egg foo young. It's not just for dinner". "OH BS: If I shoot them out of a railgun and kill a bus load of hydrocephalic Brazilian Nuns are you gonna be responsible?" "Yeah, but can you imagine a Beowolf cluster of egg foo young." STOP IT FOR CHRISSAKES.
The link is not a gun. The link is not the sky. C'mon guys. The only reason to use analogies is when you can not think through the issue on it's own merits. Analogies never really illuminate anything. They obfuscate. They draw a comparison, often to something (1) overly simple, which reduced the issue to absurdity ie. the code is the sky and it is always blue or (2) Overly controversial, thus making the agents in the case (MPAA, RIAA, Mattel, H4X0RS) out to be Stalin or worse. What is at issue is the right to reverse engineer for interoperability (MPAA DeCSS), The right provide criticism of corporate agendas (Mattel, cpHack) and the right to have your speech/code protected by the First Ammednment/GPL/Licensing terms of your choice. If you can not read the arguments for/against and understand the case on its merits, all you can do is provide underinformed bitching. Sophistry is dangerous for democracy. It functions as a smokescreen, hitting hot-buttons and provoking the basest reactions...Never well thought out opinion/action.
Hmmmmm. Smells like a Troll, but I'll bite. . Whoa there big fella. Just because code=free speech does not mean you can not copyright it...or copyleft it. All this means is that code/speech is expression and is protected by the first ammendment. Like Music. Like Books. Like Speeches. All the above can be protected under IP laws. But the gov't can not take away your right to express yourself in song, writing or speaking in public.
"And isn't prevention better thana Cure?" By jove, you are right. Let's do this, then. Lock up all the Frat Boys. After all, they have a propensity to rape women. Get rid of all the guns. After all, we do not want to accidentally shoot a relative coming home at an odd hour. Anyone who listens to rap or punk or indy needs to go to juvenile detention. After all, people who liste nto these kinds of music are likely to be in gangs/skinheads. Hey, we are forgetting cars. They kill more people than guns! Get rid of 'em. We cal all ride mass trans. OK. no more adultery. The most probable murder or assault scenario includes adultery or revenge for as the motivation. All adulterers should be locked up for their own good. Lock up all the dissidents. They tresspass and break (unjust though they sometimes are) laws. Arrgh. I forgot, we have to get rid of signs of ostentatious wealth. The display of wealth motivated some to steal. Does this world sound familiar yet? Some kinds of "prevention" are doubleplus ungood.
Oh, sh*t, you mean the Microso~1 age is over. And I missed it? I'm always last to know. I have been sitting here happily using my Mac (from APPL, who really brought the computer to the masses), trying to read up on Linux and BSD (who really runs the web), and all this time I was supposed to beleive M$ was the "innovator" of the industry?
Wow, this all sounds so familiar. I do not mean the lack of faith in Amiga either. I never owned one. I only know one person who did/does. I am not that impressed wit the oft vaunted interface. But, whether I even like/will buy an Amiga is not relevant. What is is a pattern of posting here that goes way back. EX 1: The Mac is dead. Who cares. EX 2: Amiga is dead, can't we let it RIP.These sound just like: EX 3: Line-ooks. Never heard of it. It will never be let out of the server room. It can not compete with (insert OS of choice) in (insert feature of choice). Give 'em a break guys. They (AMigans and Amiga) have been through buyouts and washouts, and still they are trying. Tom Dutton
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And what can you change on your box that I can not on mine? There are several vendors of CPU upgrades for the Mac. For 500-1000 you can get aftermarket CPUs (G4s at that) and pop them in the older 603/604 machines. I can get 1GB of RAM into my machine (drools) and 3 HDD. So, why don't you learn a little about the systems you are discussing.
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ummm. wrong. apple paid stock, and set up an appointment to look at (for specific r/d purposes) xerox's machine. microsoft did rip the gui, tho, but from a dev mac jobs gave them to dev sw. tom
'scuse me. there were many all-in-one computers before the ibm ps/1. the original mac predates it. so does the commodore pet. just a correction. your history is off, but the point is well taken. i can see going after e-machines and future power, but not the fish pc.
tom dutton
How in the FUCK is that flamebait? Who is s/he flaming?
That was a well thought out comment.
OK, education time.
Moderators are not doing their job.
(Not flamebait)
Who is the crackwhore fuckhead with the cranial-rectal inversion who modded this?
(flamebait)
Get it?
Sheesh.
and if /. attributed the quotes, how many trollz and flamers would be pissed at the "invaision of privacy"?
Information wants to be free. GPL/BSD/Artistic License it. Open Source roolz. Its Fair Use.
/.
C/mon, guys. Give me a fscking break. This is for the good of 1) some charity who will make some much needed cash. 2) Teachers and administrators who want a clue. 3) all the young geeks who need these people to get a clue.
What happened to furthering "stuff that matters". THIS matters. More than Crusoe. More than Linux. More than RHAT or any other stock price. More than patents. People are going to get crucified for being different. The mass media spin is not being challenged from this perspective...except in NOT widely read places like
Go Jon and Hemos and Rob. I admire you stepping up and using whatever clout Andover has to voice these concerns and try to get some REAL exposure.
Tom Dutton
OK. How's about a different way of looking at disk
eject on a ma, hmmmmkay?
Ever eject a disk on Linux/Wintel before, say a copy was completed. Of course you have. What good was the file? SHIT, wasn't it?
Ever eject a Mac disk before a copy or backup was done? NOPE. Can NOT do it.
'nuff said.
Tom Dutton
I dunno. Ask the guys at JPL/NASA. They seem to want to keep their Macs enough to complain loud and long. Alot of signla processing gets done on Macs at sci institutions, still. And for image processing...there is not really a substitute in the price range.
Just for fun...
The Microsoft Advantage
Windows is the standard
- Windows has more than 75% market share worldwide,
- Windows has more software programs, 10-50 times more than any other platform.
- Windows is supported by the leaders in enterprise software, including Oracle, Siebel, SAP, Lawson, Sun,and Sybase.
Just can not abide with the tone of Palm's response.
I hate Microsoft. Never use it. Ever. Nothing from them infects my hdd. But, Palm is parrotting Microsoft's PC marketing message. None of this matters. I could give a crap about the number of software titles...Are they any good? This is used against Mac users constantly, but I have no trouble finding enough (too much, actually) software to run. This whole "standard" thing too pisses me off. This gets used vs. Linux constantly by PHBs. So fscking what if it won't run Office. There are options, some of which work better.
Makes me sick to see Palm ape Microspeak.
Tom Dutton
Sorry. This is a troll. Christian != good.
Me = Atheist
Never committed adultery
(Swaggart, Reed = xtian and = adulterers)
Me = Atheist
Never stole
(Baker, Robertson = xtian = theif)
Me = Atheist
Never killed
(Crusaders/Inquisitors = xitans = murderers)
Me = Atheist
Never dishonored mother or father ever
(how 'bout GW = xtian = called his mother "stupid" and he is xtian)
Shall I go on. Wonderful morals, these xtians. Hope my son or daughter does a damned sight better than these closed-minded ignorant cracker hypoctires.
thanks.
/rant
Correction: "Ultimately, Metallica's case will come to nought". Nought = zero = nothing.
The more I think about this, (1) the more I feel it is down right criminal to stick a backdoor like this into code. This can lead to massive problems for both individuals and businesses that have data stolen (2). Look at the trouble that (3) caused (4) the credit card companies with (5) credit card number lists stolen (6) from their (7) web servers. Add on top of this, (8)(9) there were (10) fraudlent charges to people's (11) credit cards. Deliberate backdoors like this and others make it all that much easier for a cracker or script kiddie (12) to break into a system. Who knows whether (13) this was the exploit used in any of the previous security breaches. I'd bet that some used it; (14) maybe (15)not all, but some. Ponder this: Would you accept a security system for your house if you knew it could be bypassed by anybody with a standard code? Corrections made by the grammar police. Fifteen errors in so short a post. Well, my work is done!
/. is News for Nerds and Stuff that Matters. It is about BSD, Science, Amigas, Macs, the WWW, SPAM, Congress, Filtering Software, M$, Admin/IT/IS, Coding, PCs, MIPS, RISC/CISC, Aibo, UF, Censorship, Patents, Intellectual Property, Hactivism, Corporatism, Individualism, SW TPM, B5, and alot of other cool stuff not shown on TV. There are alot of Macheads here. I know. I am one. MacWeek even has a slash box of sorts letting us know when there are Mac items for discussion/ learning here.
/. readership was polled, the total number of people who come here for stuff other than linux, or in addition to linux, may be as large as the poeple who come here _solely_ for linux news.
Be careful. I am sure that if the
I agree, all the religions foster a space where we as humans are portrayed as small, weak, incomplete-in-ourselves. Which is why all of them, xtianity included, need to be monitored. Now, CoS is much more dangerous simply because they are very expert on brainwashing. But CoS is only different-in-degree (as opposed to different-in-kind) from any religion. All such practices (that celebrate myths as truths) should be discouraged.
Ummmmm. Pulp Fiction. (Face Off was ok, kinda). As for Cruise, he sucked ass in Eyes Wide Shut. Really helped kill that flic. The only thing I have ever seen him in where he did not suck was Magnolia. But, esentially you are right. 99% of Cruise/Travolta movies are dreck. But 99% of Hollywood is dreck, so according to the law of averages...
No. The above post is right. Amelio bought NeXT at the same price Gassee wanted for Be, which was nowhere near as developed as NeXT. The idea was to get NeXT. Jobs was hired as a consultant. Amelio did not plan on Jobs becoming CEO. It worked out that way, but not by design. It worked that way by boardroom politics. Jobs coming back as iCEO was a good thing (TM), but he was very underhanded in getting that position. Be was overpriced. Gassee wanted 400K for Be Inc. NeXT wanted the same amount. Anyone who looked at the deal, and the comparative merits of the two development teams would have made the same choice.
Hello, Sloppy,
/. operate pretty much how I said they do. You really can not tell me that DeCSS is like a gun. I mean a gun implies LIFE OR DEATH responsibility tied to your use/nonuse of it. DeCSS not that grave (pun not intended). It is not a gun. Not even a cheap jailhouse shiv. We are not going to convince a judge or the public with these lines of "reasoning."
giggles at your post. OK so I should not have ranted so and went overboard. But I am serious.
Maost of the analogies on
The code is not a lockpick. It is not a bus. It is not a gun or the sky or a fucking mallard duck. Listen to the lawyer earlier in this post. These stupid analogies hurt the effectivity of our case (in court and in the court of public opinion). SHIT would you just listen to yourselves..."NO the code is an egg salad sandwich, only I can put it in my shoes because they are my shoes." "WORNG IDIOT: the code is egg foo young, and you can make a kickass yarmulke (little jewish hat thing) out of egg foo young. It's not just for dinner". "OH BS: If I shoot them out of a railgun and kill a bus load of hydrocephalic Brazilian Nuns are you gonna be responsible?" "Yeah, but can you imagine a Beowolf cluster of egg foo young." STOP IT FOR CHRISSAKES.
The link is not a gun. The link is not the sky. C'mon guys. The only reason to use analogies is when you can not think through the issue on it's own merits. Analogies never really illuminate anything. They obfuscate. They draw a comparison, often to something (1) overly simple, which reduced the issue to absurdity ie. the code is the sky and it is always blue or (2) Overly controversial, thus making the agents in the case (MPAA, RIAA, Mattel, H4X0RS) out to be Stalin or worse. What is at issue is the right to reverse engineer for interoperability (MPAA DeCSS), The right provide criticism of corporate agendas (Mattel, cpHack) and the right to have your speech/code protected by the First Ammednment/GPL/Licensing terms of your choice. If you can not read the arguments for/against and understand the case on its merits, all you can do is provide underinformed bitching. Sophistry is dangerous for democracy. It functions as a smokescreen, hitting hot-buttons and provoking the basest reactions...Never well thought out opinion/action.
Hmmmmm. Smells like a Troll, but I'll bite. . Whoa there big fella. Just because code=free speech does not mean you can not copyright it...or copyleft it. All this means is that code/speech is expression and is protected by the first ammendment. Like Music. Like Books. Like Speeches. All the above can be protected under IP laws. But the gov't can not take away your right to express yourself in song, writing or speaking in public.
"And isn't prevention better thana Cure?" By jove, you are right. Let's do this, then. Lock up all the Frat Boys. After all, they have a propensity to rape women. Get rid of all the guns. After all, we do not want to accidentally shoot a relative coming home at an odd hour. Anyone who listens to rap or punk or indy needs to go to juvenile detention. After all, people who liste nto these kinds of music are likely to be in gangs/skinheads. Hey, we are forgetting cars. They kill more people than guns! Get rid of 'em. We cal all ride mass trans. OK. no more adultery. The most probable murder or assault scenario includes adultery or revenge for as the motivation. All adulterers should be locked up for their own good. Lock up all the dissidents. They tresspass and break (unjust though they sometimes are) laws. Arrgh. I forgot, we have to get rid of signs of ostentatious wealth. The display of wealth motivated some to steal. Does this world sound familiar yet? Some kinds of "prevention" are doubleplus ungood.
Oh, sh*t, you mean the Microso~1 age is over. And I missed it? I'm always last to know. I have been sitting here happily using my Mac (from APPL, who really brought the computer to the masses), trying to read up on Linux and BSD (who really runs the web), and all this time I was supposed to beleive M$ was the "innovator" of the industry?
Wow, this all sounds so familiar. I do not mean the lack of faith in Amiga either. I never owned one. I only know one person who did/does. I am not that impressed wit the oft vaunted interface. But, whether I even like/will buy an Amiga is not relevant. What is is a pattern of posting here that goes way back. EX 1: The Mac is dead. Who cares. EX 2: Amiga is dead, can't we let it RIP.These sound just like: EX 3: Line-ooks. Never heard of it. It will never be let out of the server room. It can not compete with (insert OS of choice) in (insert feature of choice). Give 'em a break guys. They (AMigans and Amiga) have been through buyouts and washouts, and still they are trying. Tom Dutton
And what can you change on your box that I can not on mine? There are several vendors of CPU upgrades for the Mac. For 500-1000 you can get aftermarket CPUs (G4s at that) and pop them in the older 603/604 machines. I can get 1GB of RAM into my machine (drools) and 3 HDD. So, why don't you learn a little about the systems you are discussing.
Except for APPL. Shit, am I ever gald I bought at $20.00.