This is not exactly an accurate test. In many cases the author states that since the "stock" version of the feature runs slow in C/++, he has provided a replacement.
Any truly accurate test would have to ignore most of the "stock" implementations in all languages. The composer of the study would also have to be equally skilled in the languages, for the test to be accurate.
It would also be good to know which JVM he was using to test with. I assume it is the one he used to compile with (JDKSE 1.4.1-02 by Sun). The Sun reference versions have been shown in other tests to be inferior to implementations by other vendors. As we can see here, different implementations have VERY different performances.
To sum up, while this may be a fair comparison between C# and the C derivatives, it does not seem to be an objective study of ALL of the langauges tested.
Now I can agree with that.. But I also think thats what drives the other 98% of software vendors. Everybody wants people to think their software is perfect, but in reality, it's gonna be crappy.
My point was that MS isn't the only company that acts in an evil/business like manner, and I'm tired of hearing people pick on MS, just because they're the "big gorrilla"... But this is slashdot, and I guess I shouldn't expect anything else.
I'm not saying I'm for or against MS, but I do know how hard it is to release 100% bug free software.
Were there only feature changes in your companies software when they released revisions? Its possible, but I'll be there were some bugs that "shouldn't have been in there".
Sometimes I just get tired of people bashing MS, when they're just as good as 98% of other commercial vendors. Even open source has bugs, its just that people outside the company can see progress made against the bugs.
Can somebody check who owns DivX? IT seems to me that if the MPAA wanted to stop us copying movies, all it would have to do is make the only working version of the codec adware only......and none of us would use it...
The following is definately not a fully thought-out idea, but maybe you guys can help me refine it.. Can't any of us send similar DMCA notices back at them? Can't we make a similar robot program that tracks through the various MPAA/RIA/etc sites looking for possible name violations?
My understanding was that it doesn't cost anything to send a DMCA warning letter (IANAL), but it might be enough annoyance for them to reply to each request that they'd stop using their automated programs...
"So here is an example of murky money: You want to help the EFF? Write a big check. It will allow them to do better research, hire more people to lobby, fly to more conferences, print more flyers, etc. Hmmmm, sounds a lot like "providing funds to political campaigns in exchange for laws/policies/etc that benefit the organization", doesn't it?"
All this paragraph says is that the system IS how us paranoids say, and organizations like the EFF are our best defense within the system.
What they don't mention is that they also probably record the MAC address. And most people's MAC address never changes. So if they see Jack_Arse_21 has a different IP from l33t_sk1lLz, but they have the same MAC address, they are the same person.
Also, by the same token, they could tell if there are multiple file-sharing hosts on the same IP address (that is, behind a firewall or NAT).
"a massive, currently relevant pool of opinions on the likelihood of any particular kind of terrorist attack occurring"
What are you talking about? Massive, yes. Relevant, probably not. The only way this could work is if the people investing the money had access to all the information. CNN and FoxNews are decent news sources, but their coverage of world events is clearly limited by our (and foriegn) governments.
For other markets where this has been a success, there was adequate information provided mandated by law. How open do you think the DoD will be with information relating to national security? (And if you don't think foreknowledge of a possible coup would be classified, you're living in a fool's paradise!)
When investors don't get adequate (or they are provided with incorrect) information, investors make inacurate (or just plain poor) choices. Look at corporate/market scandals like Enron and Arthur Anderson. With all the proper information, nobody would have invested in those companies. And look at everyone who lost big, because they didn't have all the information.
Imagine if the government had acted based on how the markets percieved Enron. They might have forced other energy companies to close (in darwinian fashion) to let Enron continue its successes.
At best its a honeypot, but thats all it is. At worst, it will ruin our already poor relations with other nations. But please don't think for a moment that there will be any correlation between this "market" and the real world.
The part of America I live in is not kind to people who just want to backpack around on a budget, and short of the Appalatian Trail, I don't know of anywhere that is.
It's not like Europe where you can find a bed and breakfast anywhere, for a pittance. I suspect you'll end up as a regular of Motel 6.
My knowledge of this country is not complete, and I would love to be corrected. Please, let me know places where you can backpack during the day and sleep in a bed at night!
Unless its not IBM as a company, but many of the CEOs of companies who have been threatened by SCO (not purchased by companies, but individuals). They all must have an agreement to not purchase over 5% appiece, and then all at once their plans will be revealed!
The problem with any postage is that it can be forged. If you have some sort of public/private key, though, then only the people you give your key to would be able to email you... Now that I've started thinking, that might be a really good way to allow authorized email...
It wouldn't an end all solution. I envision multiple strategies working in tandem, such as the above public/private key, a registered email sender verification service (live Verisign.. *shudder*), and even completely unsecure (for those people who want it).
Basically, I don't think there is any single strategy that will stop spam. But judicious use of technology could help a great deal!
Its a philosophical question that I'm not really prepared to answer. That is to say, I don't know if I'm for GM or against GM. But the environmentalists say "Leave it as it is!" and the technologists say "If one part is better, its all better!"
I say, "I don't know enough". There are consequences to these types of actions that we probably can't even concieve of! Lower down, a poster mentioned some GM seeds (patented, btw) blowing in to a farmers yard. He was then sued by the company which owned the patent, and lost his farm. It is this sort of thing that we cannot predict. What if somehow the GM version is dangerous in an unexpected way? How will we even know what to test for?
Anyway, enought ranting about it. I'm not in a position to say anybody is right or wrong, and these are just my thoughts.
This is a disturbing trend. The same problem exists with genetically altered pets as with genetically modified foods. There is the potential (and its likely) that the GM version is more hardy than the natural version; Therefore, if left to compete in the open environment (maybe some seeds spread to a different field, or some kid turns their fish loose in the sea) they could replace the natural species.
I don't know what the solution is, because there are many good uses for GM products, but its an issue that needs to be thought out carefully, instead of just saying "cool!"
TTT:EE? Sounds like some new computer acronymn. Telnet Terminal (Traditional): Entering Executable... On the other hand, it also looks like somebody just held down too long on the keyboard......But what do I know?...
It seems to me, that the target demographic for people buying a lindows computer is not going to be a demographic that would easily cave in (or even care) about XP.
In my eyes, its a repeat of the IE vs Netscape war, although it won't matter as much. Its analogous to offering a discount on windows to everybody here on/.
Sure, you may sell a few copies, but mostly you'll just get ridiculed.
Wordperfect seems to be a drag on whoever owns them. First they sold out to Novell. Then, Novell unloaded^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^^H sold them to Corel. Now it seems (and its just a shot in the dark) that they have caused hurt to yet another company.
[MS BASH SECTION] Of course, if MS had played fair, none of this would have happened. [/MS BASH SECTION]
Anyway, Corel just hasn't had much of a goal lately. It seems they don't know where to focus their resources; They do everything from linux to graphic software to word processing.. And none of its really working.
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This is not exactly an accurate test. In many cases the author states that since the "stock" version of the feature runs slow in C/++, he has provided a replacement.
Any truly accurate test would have to ignore most of the "stock" implementations in all languages. The composer of the study would also have to be equally skilled in the languages, for the test to be accurate.
It would also be good to know which JVM he was using to test with. I assume it is the one he used to compile with (JDKSE 1.4.1-02 by Sun). The Sun reference versions have been shown in other tests to be inferior to implementations by other vendors. As we can see here, different implementations have VERY different performances.
To sum up, while this may be a fair comparison between C# and the C derivatives, it does not seem to be an objective study of ALL of the langauges tested.
Now I can agree with that.. But I also think thats what drives the other 98% of software vendors. Everybody wants people to think their software is perfect, but in reality, it's gonna be crappy.
My point was that MS isn't the only company that acts in an evil/business like manner, and I'm tired of hearing people pick on MS, just because they're the "big gorrilla"... But this is slashdot, and I guess I shouldn't expect anything else.
I'm not saying I'm for or against MS, but I do know how hard it is to release 100% bug free software.
Were there only feature changes in your companies software when they released revisions? Its possible, but I'll be there were some bugs that "shouldn't have been in there".
Sometimes I just get tired of people bashing MS, when they're just as good as 98% of other commercial vendors. Even open source has bugs, its just that people outside the company can see progress made against the bugs.
"So you're saying there's a chance!"
Can somebody check who owns DivX? IT seems to me that if the MPAA wanted to stop us copying movies, all it would have to do is make the only working version of the codec adware only... ...and none of us would use it...
The following is definately not a fully thought-out idea, but maybe you guys can help me refine it.. Can't any of us send similar DMCA notices back at them? Can't we make a similar robot program that tracks through the various MPAA/RIA/etc sites looking for possible name violations?
My understanding was that it doesn't cost anything to send a DMCA warning letter (IANAL), but it might be enough annoyance for them to reply to each request that they'd stop using their automated programs...
Just maybe..
But space aliens are visiting! The brother of my roomate's ex-girlfriend's cousin was abducted and probed three times!
And you know the Sun can't be a star.. its too damn big!
Reminds me of an old satire wire article:
VIAGRA SPILL REVIVES LAKE MICHIGAN
One of the funniest things I've ever seen!
The horror! *shudder*
slasdotted already. How ironic.
I agree with you.
"So here is an example of murky money: You want to help the EFF? Write a big check. It will allow them to do better research, hire more people to lobby, fly to more conferences, print more flyers, etc. Hmmmm, sounds a lot like "providing funds to political campaigns in exchange for laws/policies/etc that benefit the organization", doesn't it?"
All this paragraph says is that the system IS how us paranoids say, and organizations like the EFF are our best defense within the system.
What they don't mention is that they also probably record the MAC address. And most people's MAC address never changes. So if they see Jack_Arse_21 has a different IP from l33t_sk1lLz, but they have the same MAC address, they are the same person.
Also, by the same token, they could tell if there are multiple file-sharing hosts on the same IP address (that is, behind a firewall or NAT).
"a massive, currently relevant pool of opinions on the likelihood of any particular kind of terrorist attack occurring"
What are you talking about? Massive, yes. Relevant, probably not. The only way this could work is if the people investing the money had access to all the information. CNN and FoxNews are decent news sources, but their coverage of world events is clearly limited by our (and foriegn) governments.
For other markets where this has been a success, there was adequate information provided mandated by law. How open do you think the DoD will be with information relating to national security? (And if you don't think foreknowledge of a possible coup would be classified, you're living in a fool's paradise!)
When investors don't get adequate (or they are provided with incorrect) information, investors make inacurate (or just plain poor) choices. Look at corporate/market scandals like Enron and Arthur Anderson. With all the proper information, nobody would have invested in those companies. And look at everyone who lost big, because they didn't have all the information.
Imagine if the government had acted based on how the markets percieved Enron. They might have forced other energy companies to close (in darwinian fashion) to let Enron continue its successes.
At best its a honeypot, but thats all it is. At worst, it will ruin our already poor relations with other nations. But please don't think for a moment that there will be any correlation between this "market" and the real world.
The part of America I live in is not kind to people who just want to backpack around on a budget, and short of the Appalatian Trail, I don't know of anywhere that is.
It's not like Europe where you can find a bed and breakfast anywhere, for a pittance. I suspect you'll end up as a regular of Motel 6.
My knowledge of this country is not complete, and I would love to be corrected. Please, let me know places where you can backpack during the day and sleep in a bed at night!
Unless its not IBM as a company, but many of the CEOs of companies who have been threatened by SCO (not purchased by companies, but individuals). They all must have an agreement to not purchase over 5% appiece, and then all at once their plans will be revealed!
The illuminati strike again!
OT!
While not hilarious, my signature has a link.. and a couple of funny things.. All under 120 characters!
But I would appreciate more space for a sig. I want to include a poem, and a disourse on debate.
Good to know another side to the story. As we all know, /. is not the best place to go for facts... But it does get one thinking, doesn't it?
The problem with any postage is that it can be forged. If you have some sort of public/private key, though, then only the people you give your key to would be able to email you... Now that I've started thinking, that might be a really good way to allow authorized email...
It wouldn't an end all solution. I envision multiple strategies working in tandem, such as the above public/private key, a registered email sender verification service (live Verisign.. *shudder*), and even completely unsecure (for those people who want it).
Basically, I don't think there is any single strategy that will stop spam. But judicious use of technology could help a great deal!
Its a philosophical question that I'm not really prepared to answer. That is to say, I don't know if I'm for GM or against GM. But the environmentalists say "Leave it as it is!" and the technologists say "If one part is better, its all better!"
I say, "I don't know enough". There are consequences to these types of actions that we probably can't even concieve of! Lower down, a poster mentioned some GM seeds (patented, btw) blowing in to a farmers yard. He was then sued by the company which owned the patent, and lost his farm. It is this sort of thing that we cannot predict. What if somehow the GM version is dangerous in an unexpected way? How will we even know what to test for?
Anyway, enought ranting about it. I'm not in a position to say anybody is right or wrong, and these are just my thoughts.
This is a disturbing trend. The same problem exists with genetically altered pets as with genetically modified foods. There is the potential (and its likely) that the GM version is more hardy than the natural version; Therefore, if left to compete in the open environment (maybe some seeds spread to a different field, or some kid turns their fish loose in the sea) they could replace the natural species.
I don't know what the solution is, because there are many good uses for GM products, but its an issue that needs to be thought out carefully, instead of just saying "cool!"
That's what I'm worried about. How many times have my battleships been sunk by friggen musketeers? sheesh...
You think thats bad? I had a battleship sunk by a frekin' legion!
TTT:EE? Sounds like some new computer acronymn. Telnet Terminal (Traditional): Entering Executable... On the other hand, it also looks like somebody just held down too long on the keyboard... ...But what do I know?...
It seems to me, that the target demographic for people buying a lindows computer is not going to be a demographic that would easily cave in (or even care) about XP.
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In my eyes, its a repeat of the IE vs Netscape war, although it won't matter as much. Its analogous to offering a discount on windows to everybody here on
Sure, you may sell a few copies, but mostly you'll just get ridiculed.
If they release WordPerfect as open source, May God have mercy on our [free software loving] souls!
Wordperfect seems to be a drag on whoever owns them. First they sold out to Novell. Then, Novell unloaded^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^^H sold them to Corel. Now it seems (and its just a shot in the dark) that they have caused hurt to yet another company.
[MS BASH SECTION]
Of course, if MS had played fair, none of this would have happened.
[/MS BASH SECTION]
Anyway, Corel just hasn't had much of a goal lately. It seems they don't know where to focus their resources; They do everything from linux to graphic software to word processing.. And none of its really working.
*sigh* It was bound to happen!