Actually, no they don't corrode being stainless steel. There are a few reasons they're painted:
dents really show on stainless
it's brushed stainless steel and therefore difficult to match the brushing effect when trying to get a scratch out
brushed stainless really shows fingerprints
Nice cars, actually, with a few flaws, IMHO: largish blind spots/low visibility to your rear, they use a torqued metal spring to help hold the doors up which needs a high pressure gas lifter (like the ones that may hold your hood up) that lose their pressure slowly (then the door doesn't stay up nice), and since the engine is in the back, the back tyres can lose grip suddenly(!) in a sharp corner. The shifter, btw, is fantastic when properly adjusted.
I actually prefer driving my Chevy Lumina, even though it has maybe 2/3 the performance of the DeLorean, simply because it's easy, reliable, predictable, and inexpensive.
"How are clients authenticated to the network?
All access is free and unencrypted to all. Of course, you may tunnel through the 10.net LAN to your destination using any number of schemes. In other words, clients are not authenticated to the network, and security is up to you. Caveat emptor."
What this means is that they are creating essentially what the post office has created with the anonymous mailbox on every corner. Someone could connect up by driving by, drop the next big virus into the Internet and leave practically no trail.
Sirius' complaint just be another argument for what the government may already want to do.
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In theory, wouldn't it be possible to also defeat this by turning a few old televisions in the room to an unused channel displaying static?
But your screen can probably be read off that tin-foil hat while a Carnivore analyzes the time difference between encrypted packets based on one-handed typing.
{hmmmm} Then I wonder what the web site contract is based on. Obviously Fox is deluded into thinking it has something of value that they're going to allow you to use, but what do you give them?
In my mind this (and this) simply state that said storage space and network traffic are my property or rental and that their spam is theft, trespass, and vandalism.
I wonder how much the personal satisfaction of terminating the business of a spammer for the benefit of users everywhere would be valued at?
The least you can do is cost the spammer their account. Depending on the spams contents I...
Traceroute the last reliable IP of the sending email address. Know your mail gateways and take the IP address it received the mail from, traceroute it and report to abuse@[someisp].[ext]. If seems unreputable, cc their isp.
Visit the web page. Do it. This is to find out if there's a redirect in place. http://[somefreewebhost].com/[directory] redirects to http://[scumballspammer].com/ . Traceroute and report the site it redirected you to to the appropriate ISP. Least it will do is annoy the sysadmin, and we know how sysadmins can be. Best case is they lose their site, any money put toward it, and pay a penalty fee.
If the web page sends you somewhere to order, visit it, traceroute it, and report. (Same reasons as above.)
In the case of javascript encoded html, it's easy to rewrite. Look for the document.write( xxx ); statement and change it to document.write( "<form><textarea>" + xxx + "</textarea>" ); . Repeat as necessary. Follow steps above.
Section 1: Applicability
1.1 By harvesting (gathering, collecting, etc.), transmitting data to, or selling any [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address you (or an individual acting for an organization) acknowledge and agree to be bound by the terms of this agreement.
1.2 An example of an [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address, user mailbox or account is uce-agree@[YOURDOMAINHERE] or the computer readable equivalent thereof.
Section 2: Allowed Use of [YOURDOMAINHERE] Email Addresses
2.1 Allowed transmission of electronic mail ("email") to this site is limited to the following:
2.1.1 Specific user election:
2.1.1.1 The user will accept mail for which the user has knowingly and intentionally given permission to be sent.
2.1.1.2 If there is any doubt the sender or originater of email sent to an account at [YOURDOMAINHERE] will be assumed to be in the wrong and therefore subject to the compensation portion of this agreement.
2.1.1.3 Official communication from the immediate provider of network services (ISP) to [YOURDOMAINHERE] will be accepted.
Section 3: Prohibited Use of [YOURDOMAINHERE] Email Addresses
3.1 Harvesting (gathering) of [YOURDOMAINHERE] addresses with intent to sell:
3.1.1 It is prohibited to gather by programmatic means (web spider, etc.) any [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address with the intention of selling the address to a possible spammer.
3.1.2 It is prohibited to gather by hand (non-automated means) any [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address with the intention of selling the address to a possible spammer.
3.2 Harvesting (gathering) of [YOURDOMAINHERE] addresses with intent to spam:
3.2.1 It is prohibited to gather by programmatic means (web spider, etc.) any [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address with the intention of transmitting spam to the address.
3.2.2 It is prohibited to gather by hand (manual) any [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address with the intention of transmitting spam to the address.
3.3 Transmission of Unsolicited Commercial Email, also known as UCE or spam:
3.3.1 It is prohibited to send spam to any address or account at [YOURDOMAINHERE].
3.4 Unspecified use not described here:
3.4.1 It is prohibited to transmit data to a mailbox at [YOURDOMAINHERE] without the mailbox owner's implicit consent.
Section 4: Compensation for Prohibited Use
4.1 Establishment of a fee, fine, or compensation structure shall not be construed as permission for use.
4.2 Compensation shall be set at a rate of $50,000.00 (Jan. 20, 2002 dollars, adjusted for inflation) per unit (defined in section 4 paragraph 3) or 1000% of your revenues, whichever is larger.
4.3 A unit shall be measured in commonly accepted computing standards as a pixel for images and an 8 bit byte for text or code. Vector based images will be measured by their code.
Section 5: Indemnification and Warranty
5.1 The owners of this site and the email addresses therein shall not be held liable for any consequences of this agreement.
5.2 This agreement may not be used against (to the detriment or punishment of) any owner of this site and/or email addresses within.
Section 6: Acceptance of Agreement
6.1 By sending a message to the address uce-agree@[YOURDOMAINHERE] you agree to accept and be bound by the terms of this agreement. All sections of this agreement will apply in full force to all messages received by uce-agree@[YOURDOMAINHERE].
6.2 Publication of the acceptance address uce-agree@[YOURDOMAINHERE] does not constitute permission to send UCE or spam to the address uce-agree@[YOURDOMAINHERE].
6.3 This address may only be published with this agreement. If you publish or resell an [YOURDOMAINHERE] address without this agreement you may be liable for the fees generated by anyone misusing [YOURDOMAINHERE] mailboxes.
Section 7: Termination
7.1 The agreement will remain effective until terminated. The agreement may be terminated without notice only by the owners of the email addresses at [YOURDOMAINHERE].
7.2 If an owner of an email address at [YOURDOMAINHERE] fails to enforce the prohibitions in this agreement it shall not be construed as termination of liability of the sender for violations.
Section 8: Publication of this Agreement
8.1 This agreement will be published at http://[YOURDOMAINHERE]/legal/uce-agree.html .
8.2 This version of the agreement is 200201200001 (for January 20th, 2002 12:01 am).
Section 9: Superceding Agreement
9.1 This agreement may be superceded by a new agreement at any time without written notification when published at the address in section 8, paragraph 1.
9.2 You agree to check and be bound by the agreement published at the address in section 8, paragraph 1 when performing any activity that may be covered under this agreement. It is up to you to be familiar with the latest terms.
Section 10: Controlling Laws and Jurisdiction
10.1 By acceptance of this agreement you agree to be bound by the laws of the State of Michigan and agree that any legal action against you will take place in a location convenient to the owner of the [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address.
Section 11: Intent
11.1 The intent of the agreement shall be considered more important than the phrasing so that if any loopholes exist they shall be considered closed by intent.
Section 12: Legal Agreement
12.1 This constitutes the whole of the agreement between the author and you. If any part of the agreement is weakened or rendered null it shall be construed in a manner consistent with applicable law to reflect, as nearly as possible, the original intentions of the author, and shall not weaken or nullify any other part of the agreement.
The co-processor may have enough power, but would the system bus? My guess is that the co-processor would require its own IO interface, and then why bother with the Apple II.
Yes. I think they should go back right now (while they're still working on the other films) and cut the first film into two, get rid of the all the stupid crap they added/changed and do it right with the stuff they left out!!! They can still leave out Bombadil (one of my favorite characters), but they cut some important character development points (I'd list them, but that'd take two hours) while at the same time adding sap!
But, economically/commercially, that's not likely to happen. {sigh} I know I'd pay $20 - $50 each to see the 6 books done right, though we may be a smaller minority than those who would watch LOTR anyway.
What, are you anti-children? {grin} The assumption of the right to reproduce goes along with the argument. Just you try to argue that someone doesn't have a right to reproduce.
I simply included a single child as a political expediency. I don't personally recommend that most people attempt reproduction. My personal recommendation is that people search for fulfillment within themselves rather than through others [i.e. children].
What an interesting circular argument for lower wages the Economist has. The solution would probably be to impose a tariff for using sweatshop labor "wages" rather than a minimum wage law in the U.S.. What I mean by that is require all company employees to have a liveable wage for your product to be sold in the U.S., it doesn't even have to be a set number of $ but can be adjusted per-country based on a set standard of living for the work done.
For example, we could require Nike to pay those assembling their products in (I don't remember where Nike's operations are now) to be able to afford basic housing and food for themselves, a spouse, and a child on 40 hours of work.
As an added bonus, with this tariff structure we could provide incentives to the company to invest in public transportation (and other works) in that country to reduce pollution and improve communities.
Exchange also has a webmail/webcalender module/features, which supposedly has some of the functionality of Outlook Virus. Just make sure you put it on a machine with at least 1GB of RAM, a few processors, and a fast RAID array.
I agree with the BBEdit part... but I'd rather use pico than vi if I can't get access to the file through BBEdit. Why? Because I have more important things to do than waste brain cells on arcane vi or emacs commands.
That's right, mod me down because I said remembering that stuff was pointless and stupid. Yeah you. (Note: this is not directed at the person I'm replying to.)
But before you mod me down, I do have a point. That is that tools should be 1. apparent, 2. efficient, and 3. effective. (Add those three together to get elegant.) It doesn't take a fast food cook's brain to figure out what a hammer is good for. And I'm certain that you yourself have seen or are an example of a the kind of intellect that it takes to point an automobile and press the rubber pedals.
I believe the newspapers/etc. would have started the practice of having you sign such lovely contracts even if the court decision went "against them". With every new advancement there is a lag time before the government passes laws dealing with it and lawyers gain a new revenue stream.
That the author's works were now in databases being reproduced as in Lexis/Nexis for a fee was a change in technology that they hadn't bargained on. Microfiche (btw: I've just read Brian's opinion on his site), being freely available and not subject to the ease of access an online resource, is what the authors were used to dealing with. The web has changed the publishing dynamic.
Brian (see his site), I applaud you for turning down the contract. If a significant number of authors do so then the newspapers will be at a bargaining disadvantage. With the usage tracking capabilities of computers, authors could negotiate for royalties on further reproductions of their work instead of accepting the current contract. That possibility does seem rather unlikely given the lack of competition of a few media giants vs. many small independent companies.
At the risk of sounding redundant, I'd like to point out that this is a win for the content creators, aka the little people or the average Joe, possibly us. Others have pointed out that it only affects articles written in the early 90's.
And I'd like to specifically mention the huge gap between "al la RIAA" where the content creator does not retain the rights to his work and this decision. IMNSHO the RIAA should be crushed so that a more fair (artist friendly) system can take its place.
It's a legitimate question, I don't know why it would be modded down.
Seriously, if any corporate freedoms were threatened, do you think the treaty would stand a chance? Look at Kyoto and what appears to be happening under the current administration.
A quick review of the site makes me think quackwatch may be a bit flakey on the opposite end of the spectrum. Science will be uncovering the subtler effects of foods and chemicals on our systems for probably hundreds of years to come. And making statements such as the RDA of dietary supplements is more than enough is just hubris. Some people said ddt was scientifically proven safe. We used to dispose of our oil by dumping it on the roadside or in the river until we developed tools accurate enough to see the damage.
The most important thing is to realise that science first of all does not have all the answers and secondly that some answers will change. Do not discard science, though, but continually re-examine our results with the new tools science creates.
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Actually, no they don't corrode being stainless steel. There are a few reasons they're painted:
dents really show on stainless
it's brushed stainless steel and therefore difficult to match the brushing effect when trying to get a scratch out
brushed stainless really shows fingerprints
Nice cars, actually, with a few flaws, IMHO: largish blind spots/low visibility to your rear, they use a torqued metal spring to help hold the doors up which needs a high pressure gas lifter (like the ones that may hold your hood up) that lose their pressure slowly (then the door doesn't stay up nice), and since the engine is in the back, the back tyres can lose grip suddenly(!) in a sharp corner. The shifter, btw, is fantastic when properly adjusted.
I actually prefer driving my Chevy Lumina, even though it has maybe 2/3 the performance of the DeLorean, simply because it's easy, reliable, predictable, and inexpensive.
How far is that from product implementation, though? I thought the next step was going to be 800Mbps.
According to the Seattle Wireless FAQ:
"How are clients authenticated to the network?
All access is free and unencrypted to all. Of course, you may tunnel through the 10.net LAN to your destination using any number of schemes. In other words, clients are not authenticated to the network, and security is up to you. Caveat emptor."
What this means is that they are creating essentially what the post office has created with the anonymous mailbox on every corner. Someone could connect up by driving by, drop the next big virus into the Internet and leave practically no trail.
Sirius' complaint just be another argument for what the government may already want to do.
(XDarwin rocks)
Check out OroborOSX for some neat improvements to XDarwin
In theory, wouldn't it be possible to also defeat this by turning a few old televisions in the room to an unused channel displaying static?
But your screen can probably be read off that tin-foil hat while a Carnivore analyzes the time difference between encrypted packets based on one-handed typing.
You'll have to wear it over your biohazard suit and bulletproof armor with asbestos fireproof insulation.
{hmmmm} Then I wonder what the web site contract is based on. Obviously Fox is deluded into thinking it has something of value that they're going to allow you to use, but what do you give them?
In my mind this (and this) simply state that said storage space and network traffic are my property or rental and that their spam is theft, trespass, and vandalism.
I wonder how much the personal satisfaction of terminating the business of a spammer for the benefit of users everywhere would be valued at?
Some good ideas to think about, thanks.
What is "consideration"?
Web sites have terms of use, so it seems to me this could work. I do plan to run it past a lawyer at some point, but haven't gotten to it yet.
The least you can do is cost the spammer their account. Depending on the spams contents I...
Traceroute the last reliable IP of the sending email address. Know your mail gateways and take the IP address it received the mail from, traceroute it and report to abuse@[someisp].[ext]. If seems unreputable, cc their isp.
Visit the web page. Do it. This is to find out if there's a redirect in place. http://[somefreewebhost].com/[directory] redirects to http://[scumballspammer].com/ . Traceroute and report the site it redirected you to to the appropriate ISP. Least it will do is annoy the sysadmin, and we know how sysadmins can be. Best case is they lose their site, any money put toward it, and pay a penalty fee.
If the web page sends you somewhere to order, visit it, traceroute it, and report. (Same reasons as above.)
In the case of javascript encoded html, it's easy to rewrite. Look for the document.write( xxx ); statement and change it to document.write( "<form><textarea>" + xxx + "</textarea>" ); . Repeat as necessary. Follow steps above.
I've been working on a click-through agreement, let me know what you think (I am not a lawyer):
Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE, spam) Agreement
Section 1: Applicability
1.1 By harvesting (gathering, collecting, etc.), transmitting data to, or selling any [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address you (or an individual acting for an organization) acknowledge and agree to be bound by the terms of this agreement.
1.2 An example of an [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address, user mailbox or account is uce-agree@[YOURDOMAINHERE] or the computer readable equivalent thereof.
Section 2: Allowed Use of [YOURDOMAINHERE] Email Addresses
2.1 Allowed transmission of electronic mail ("email") to this site is limited to the following:
2.1.1 Specific user election:
2.1.1.1 The user will accept mail for which the user has knowingly and intentionally given permission to be sent.
2.1.1.2 If there is any doubt the sender or originater of email sent to an account at [YOURDOMAINHERE] will be assumed to be in the wrong and therefore subject to the compensation portion of this agreement.
2.1.1.3 Official communication from the immediate provider of network services (ISP) to [YOURDOMAINHERE] will be accepted.
Section 3: Prohibited Use of [YOURDOMAINHERE] Email Addresses
3.1 Harvesting (gathering) of [YOURDOMAINHERE] addresses with intent to sell:
3.1.1 It is prohibited to gather by programmatic means (web spider, etc.) any [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address with the intention of selling the address to a possible spammer.
3.1.2 It is prohibited to gather by hand (non-automated means) any [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address with the intention of selling the address to a possible spammer.
3.2 Harvesting (gathering) of [YOURDOMAINHERE] addresses with intent to spam:
3.2.1 It is prohibited to gather by programmatic means (web spider, etc.) any [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address with the intention of transmitting spam to the address.
3.2.2 It is prohibited to gather by hand (manual) any [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address with the intention of transmitting spam to the address.
3.3 Transmission of Unsolicited Commercial Email, also known as UCE or spam:
3.3.1 It is prohibited to send spam to any address or account at [YOURDOMAINHERE].
3.4 Unspecified use not described here:
3.4.1 It is prohibited to transmit data to a mailbox at [YOURDOMAINHERE] without the mailbox owner's implicit consent.
Section 4: Compensation for Prohibited Use
4.1 Establishment of a fee, fine, or compensation structure shall not be construed as permission for use.
4.2 Compensation shall be set at a rate of $50,000.00 (Jan. 20, 2002 dollars, adjusted for inflation) per unit (defined in section 4 paragraph 3) or 1000% of your revenues, whichever is larger.
4.3 A unit shall be measured in commonly accepted computing standards as a pixel for images and an 8 bit byte for text or code. Vector based images will be measured by their code.
Section 5: Indemnification and Warranty
5.1 The owners of this site and the email addresses therein shall not be held liable for any consequences of this agreement.
5.2 This agreement may not be used against (to the detriment or punishment of) any owner of this site and/or email addresses within.
Section 6: Acceptance of Agreement
6.1 By sending a message to the address uce-agree@[YOURDOMAINHERE] you agree to accept and be bound by the terms of this agreement. All sections of this agreement will apply in full force to all messages received by uce-agree@[YOURDOMAINHERE].
6.2 Publication of the acceptance address uce-agree@[YOURDOMAINHERE] does not constitute permission to send UCE or spam to the address uce-agree@[YOURDOMAINHERE].
6.3 This address may only be published with this agreement. If you publish or resell an [YOURDOMAINHERE] address without this agreement you may be liable for the fees generated by anyone misusing [YOURDOMAINHERE] mailboxes.
Section 7: Termination
7.1 The agreement will remain effective until terminated. The agreement may be terminated without notice only by the owners of the email addresses at [YOURDOMAINHERE].
7.2 If an owner of an email address at [YOURDOMAINHERE] fails to enforce the prohibitions in this agreement it shall not be construed as termination of liability of the sender for violations.
Section 8: Publication of this Agreement
8.1 This agreement will be published at http://[YOURDOMAINHERE]/legal/uce-agree.html .
8.2 This version of the agreement is 200201200001 (for January 20th, 2002 12:01 am).
Section 9: Superceding Agreement
9.1 This agreement may be superceded by a new agreement at any time without written notification when published at the address in section 8, paragraph 1.
9.2 You agree to check and be bound by the agreement published at the address in section 8, paragraph 1 when performing any activity that may be covered under this agreement. It is up to you to be familiar with the latest terms.
Section 10: Controlling Laws and Jurisdiction
10.1 By acceptance of this agreement you agree to be bound by the laws of the State of Michigan and agree that any legal action against you will take place in a location convenient to the owner of the [YOURDOMAINHERE] email address.
Section 11: Intent
11.1 The intent of the agreement shall be considered more important than the phrasing so that if any loopholes exist they shall be considered closed by intent.
Section 12: Legal Agreement
12.1 This constitutes the whole of the agreement between the author and you. If any part of the agreement is weakened or rendered null it shall be construed in a manner consistent with applicable law to reflect, as nearly as possible, the original intentions of the author, and shall not weaken or nullify any other part of the agreement.
Geez, an Xacto blade works a whole lot better! Wish I'd thought of using that paper punch, though.
The co-processor may have enough power, but would the system bus? My guess is that the co-processor would require its own IO interface, and then why bother with the Apple II.
Yes. I think they should go back right now (while they're still working on the other films) and cut the first film into two, get rid of the all the stupid crap they added/changed and do it right with the stuff they left out!!! They can still leave out Bombadil (one of my favorite characters), but they cut some important character development points (I'd list them, but that'd take two hours) while at the same time adding sap!
But, economically/commercially, that's not likely to happen. {sigh} I know I'd pay $20 - $50 each to see the 6 books done right, though we may be a smaller minority than those who would watch LOTR anyway.
And it gets better... you can add more!
Add more what?
What, are you anti-children? {grin} The assumption of the right to reproduce goes along with the argument. Just you try to argue that someone doesn't have a right to reproduce.
I simply included a single child as a political expediency. I don't personally recommend that most people attempt reproduction. My personal recommendation is that people search for fulfillment within themselves rather than through others [i.e. children].
What an interesting circular argument for lower wages the Economist has. The solution would probably be to impose a tariff for using sweatshop labor "wages" rather than a minimum wage law in the U.S.. What I mean by that is require all company employees to have a liveable wage for your product to be sold in the U.S., it doesn't even have to be a set number of $ but can be adjusted per-country based on a set standard of living for the work done.
For example, we could require Nike to pay those assembling their products in (I don't remember where Nike's operations are now) to be able to afford basic housing and food for themselves, a spouse, and a child on 40 hours of work.
As an added bonus, with this tariff structure we could provide incentives to the company to invest in public transportation (and other works) in that country to reduce pollution and improve communities.
one could also purchase a powered firewire hub
Exchange also has a webmail/webcalender module/features, which supposedly has some of the functionality of Outlook Virus. Just make sure you put it on a machine with at least 1GB of RAM, a few processors, and a fast RAID array.
I think such "deplorable" actions are usually called "collective action" and "grass roots organisation".
There's a list further down in this discussion of the domains I'll be putting in my permanent deny list.
I agree with the BBEdit part... but I'd rather use pico than vi if I can't get access to the file through BBEdit. Why? Because I have more important things to do than waste brain cells on arcane vi or emacs commands.
That's right, mod me down because I said remembering that stuff was pointless and stupid. Yeah you. (Note: this is not directed at the person I'm replying to.)
But before you mod me down, I do have a point. That is that tools should be 1. apparent, 2. efficient, and 3. effective. (Add those three together to get elegant.) It doesn't take a fast food cook's brain to figure out what a hammer is good for. And I'm certain that you yourself have seen or are an example of a the kind of intellect that it takes to point an automobile and press the rubber pedals.
... only outlaws will be able to circumvent encryption, read our emails, watch free movies, launch ICBM's from their laptop, etc....
I believe the newspapers/etc. would have started the practice of having you sign such lovely contracts even if the court decision went "against them". With every new advancement there is a lag time before the government passes laws dealing with it and lawyers gain a new revenue stream.
That the author's works were now in databases being reproduced as in Lexis/Nexis for a fee was a change in technology that they hadn't bargained on. Microfiche (btw: I've just read Brian's opinion on his site), being freely available and not subject to the ease of access an online resource, is what the authors were used to dealing with. The web has changed the publishing dynamic.
Brian (see his site), I applaud you for turning down the contract. If a significant number of authors do so then the newspapers will be at a bargaining disadvantage. With the usage tracking capabilities of computers, authors could negotiate for royalties on further reproductions of their work instead of accepting the current contract. That possibility does seem rather unlikely given the lack of competition of a few media giants vs. many small independent companies.
At the risk of sounding redundant, I'd like to point out that this is a win for the content creators, aka the little people or the average Joe, possibly us. Others have pointed out that it only affects articles written in the early 90's.
And I'd like to specifically mention the huge gap between "al la RIAA" where the content creator does not retain the rights to his work and this decision. IMNSHO the RIAA should be crushed so that a more fair (artist friendly) system can take its place.
It's a legitimate question, I don't know why it would be modded down.
Seriously, if any corporate freedoms were threatened, do you think the treaty would stand a chance? Look at Kyoto and what appears to be happening under the current administration.
A quick review of the site makes me think quackwatch may be a bit flakey on the opposite end of the spectrum. Science will be uncovering the subtler effects of foods and chemicals on our systems for probably hundreds of years to come. And making statements such as the RDA of dietary supplements is more than enough is just hubris. Some people said ddt was scientifically proven safe. We used to dispose of our oil by dumping it on the roadside or in the river until we developed tools accurate enough to see the damage.
The most important thing is to realise that science first of all does not have all the answers and secondly that some answers will change. Do not discard science, though, but continually re-examine our results with the new tools science creates.