But hiring foreign labor is unavoidable. So many countries hire US based companies for services instead of hiring locally, that if the US would forbid such practice it would, at the same time, lose a lot of foreign customers due to international trade/work laws usually being reciprocal.
As a company owner, I can tell you Jobs are not paid based on what they are worth, they are paid based on supply and demand. When wages raise it's because it becomes harder to find a resource for such position.
The world is globalized, and the main reason to bring immigrants into the US is to reduce wages. If immigration is restricted, costs in the US will raise and outsourcing entire teams will become more profitable (which will cost even more US based jobs).
In the long run, it all comes down to you having to choose between having a job that doesn't pay as much as you want, or not having one.
It's not likely, it's a fact. I work in South America (Buenos Aires) and there are dozens of thousand software developers and companies that work for companies in the US. As with everything, some are attractive because they have excellent track records and some are attractive because they are cheap (they are bidding on their first projects so they can work for lower wages).
I myself ran companies that outsourced jobs from over there successfuly. Large companies like IBM, Oracle, Microsoft, etc. even hire people from here to manage teams from India. If there is such a huge outsourcing industry here, the same in the rest of the world must be huge.
I think most Americans believe only a small amount of work is outsourced to foreign countries, but I'm pretty sure most US investment in software projects is not even done in US ground.
I'm a highly qualified professional from a foreign country and (due to my work experience) I got offered jobs by Tesla, Google, Facebook, etc. They basically offered me to come to the US with H1B, or go to Europe and work with a team there. They told me they are moving several teams overseas to EU and South America to work around the visa limit.
The real root cause of the problem is that highly qualified American tech workers are extremely overpaid, while equally qualified European, Eastern European or South American workers can do the same for less. For many companies, If they can't get H1Bs, they open shop overseas or hire foreign contractors. It's as simple as that. An American worker loses his/her job anyway. Sorry guys, you are too expensive and we are living in a global economy!
Again, you are thinking about outsourcing jobs (Generally India). I'm arguing about outsourcing contractors (China, Taiwan, Korea, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South America, and East Europe, etc).
This is not about outsourcing jobs. That's the kind of stories you hear about outsourcing cheap labor to India.
This is about outsourcing contractors, and India is not a common target but China, Taiwan, Korea, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South America, and East Europe are the common targets.
I see it all the time, I also see crappy code coming back and not working. I see my boss looking the other way because you need to be down with the plan to keep your job, anyone ruffling feathers about the quality of the effort being less than was done previously is out of a job.
Keep thinking your jobs are lost due to H1Bs, or due to Indians being hired overseas when the company opens a branch there.
You are just blind, your jobs are lost at a much higher level because American management nowadays hires foreign contractors, but this is invisible to you. Thus, you can't complain about what you can't see.
Contractors are the easiest way to outsource, because a cheaper price is offered over a proven track record. It's as simple as that.
I run a company overseas that gets contract work from American companies, which recently fired 1000 American employees because they would rather outsource the job to many overseas companies like mine (which are not even in India). Simple Facts:
-American workers are simply too expensive compared with the rest of the world.
-American education is simply too expensive compared with the rest of the world
-America used to lead in science in technology, but the rest of the world catches up quickly
And you know what is worse? Most other developed countries (Canada, Germany, France, Australia, New Zealand, etc) have a totally opposite immigration policy, which encourages skilled workers to migrate and help their industries grow in exchange for a better quality of life. This in turn takes away more American jobs because of competition, as those countries are less expensive and/or subsidized.
The best you can do is to understand and accept this in the first place. You country still has an excellent quality of life, and your jobs being lost to other qualified people is not something you can avoid. Change your immigration policy so skilled workers go to the US instead, and give them more rights so employers can't abuse the H1B restrictions to make them work like cheap cattle, so at least you are not at a cost disadvantage in the playing field. You have to wake up before it's too late!
Bidets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidet) consume very little amount of water (in comparison to flushing a toilet, showering, washing machines, etc) and clean your private parts more efficiently than paper. They are mandatory in many countries, why not in America?
God created it a few centuries before, then left it in a cave for Muhammad to find it. The prophet was merely pointed to it.
A perfectly scientific explanation.
I saw this coming for a decade now. Ubuntu worked very hard to earn the mind share of Desktop Linux users and, once it became their preferred distro, it was only the natural consequence that their desktop counterpart became their main choice.
Redhat was extremely stupid to just think Linux as a server business and completely let go the Desktop. They aimed at only being a competitor of old server unixes instead of generating a new market.
They still have time to turn this one around (specially as Ubuntu is now wasting resources on going mobile), but as long as they keep supporting a controversial desktop environment (Gnome 3) and don't care about being friendly to new users (Fedora is nowhere near as friendly or usable as Ubuntu), they'll lose the battle in the long run.
I don't care about how should everyone keep a roof over their heads. That's not what they sold to their customers.
Fact is they promised something to backers and delivered the complete opposite.
Truck Factor is more related to losing developers key to a project to a point the project can' t be satisfied with the assigned budget or time constraints.
In the case of Open Source Software, if the project is popular enough, at much the project will be delayed until new developers can understand the code, but that's about it. Everything is there for anyone to continue the work and there are no time or budget constraints.
The steps that Greece will take from now on, for those who don't understand enough economics:
1) Greece will leave the Euro
2) Their currency will be devaluated to stop avoiding losses (and the price of Euro will match savings and demand)
3) They will most likely set trade restrictions
4) Eventually, their balance will go back to being positive
5) Once balace is positive, Greece will renegotiate with the majority of entities it owes money to, and will end up paying back less (their debt titles allow this, unlike Argentina)
6) They will never return to the Euro, unless their GDPPC makes it worth it, but this (how much a country likes to work and produce (or has natural resources) vs how much it likes to import) is a cultural/natural thing and can't be forced on people.
that's it.
This is probably difficult to understand for Americans, but the key factor that makes SV so amazing is that venture capitalists over there are a century ahead in terms of taking risks than anywhere else in the world (save for, maybe China at this point). Instead of betting in a few large projects, they bet on few smaller projects. Most will fail but those that succeed usually return huge profits.
In contrast, everywhere else, investors are much more concerned about minimizing risk and focusing on commodities such as building houses, selling mattresses, etc. Silicon Valley is so different that you can find VC offices next to an ice cream store in the middle of the street.
It will take a while to convince developers that running this kind of native code is not unsafe, and that this is technically different (and very superior) to NPAPI, ActiveX, Java, Flash or Silverlight in terms of portability and security.
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But hiring foreign labor is unavoidable. So many countries hire US based companies for services instead of hiring locally, that if the US would forbid such practice it would, at the same time, lose a lot of foreign customers due to international trade/work laws usually being reciprocal.
As a company owner, I can tell you Jobs are not paid based on what they are worth, they are paid based on supply and demand. When wages raise it's because it becomes harder to find a resource for such position.
The world is globalized, and the main reason to bring immigrants into the US is to reduce wages. If immigration is restricted, costs in the US will raise and outsourcing entire teams will become more profitable (which will cost even more US based jobs).
In the long run, it all comes down to you having to choose between having a job that doesn't pay as much as you want, or not having one.
It's not likely, it's a fact. I work in South America (Buenos Aires) and there are dozens of thousand software developers and companies that work for companies in the US. As with everything, some are attractive because they have excellent track records and some are attractive because they are cheap (they are bidding on their first projects so they can work for lower wages).
I myself ran companies that outsourced jobs from over there successfuly. Large companies like IBM, Oracle, Microsoft, etc. even hire people from here to manage teams from India. If there is such a huge outsourcing industry here, the same in the rest of the world must be huge.
I think most Americans believe only a small amount of work is outsourced to foreign countries, but I'm pretty sure most US investment in software projects is not even done in US ground.
As if a few techies in the street would make a difference. The will eventually work for less or find something else to do.
I'm a highly qualified professional from a foreign country and (due to my work experience) I got offered jobs by Tesla, Google, Facebook, etc. They basically offered me to come to the US with H1B, or go to Europe and work with a team there. They told me they are moving several teams overseas to EU and South America to work around the visa limit.
The real root cause of the problem is that highly qualified American tech workers are extremely overpaid, while equally qualified European, Eastern European or South American workers can do the same for less. For many companies, If they can't get H1Bs, they open shop overseas or hire foreign contractors. It's as simple as that. An American worker loses his/her job anyway. Sorry guys, you are too expensive and we are living in a global economy!
Colonizing the moon first sounds like the reasonable choice...
Again, you are thinking about outsourcing jobs (Generally India). I'm arguing about outsourcing contractors (China, Taiwan, Korea, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South America, and East Europe, etc).
This is not about outsourcing jobs. That's the kind of stories you hear about outsourcing cheap labor to India.
This is about outsourcing contractors, and India is not a common target but China, Taiwan, Korea, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South America, and East Europe are the common targets.
This is misleading. They encourage companies to come, not job hunters.
Misleading my ass: http://www.canadavisa.com/cana...
Compare this to US immigration policy.
You pretty much backed all my points with facts, thanks :)
No one said it was a bad thing
I see it all the time, I also see crappy code coming back and not working. I see my boss looking the other way because you need to be down with the plan to keep your job, anyone ruffling feathers about the quality of the effort being less than was done previously is out of a job.
I see it all, and frankly you guys suck.
That's quite an amazing generalization..
Keep thinking your jobs are lost due to H1Bs, or due to Indians being hired overseas when the company opens a branch there. You are just blind, your jobs are lost at a much higher level because American management nowadays hires foreign contractors, but this is invisible to you. Thus, you can't complain about what you can't see.
Contractors are the easiest way to outsource, because a cheaper price is offered over a proven track record. It's as simple as that.
I run a company overseas that gets contract work from American companies, which recently fired 1000 American employees because they would rather outsource the job to many overseas companies like mine (which are not even in India). Simple Facts:
-American workers are simply too expensive compared with the rest of the world.
-American education is simply too expensive compared with the rest of the world
-America used to lead in science in technology, but the rest of the world catches up quickly
And you know what is worse? Most other developed countries (Canada, Germany, France, Australia, New Zealand, etc) have a totally opposite immigration policy, which encourages skilled workers to migrate and help their industries grow in exchange for a better quality of life. This in turn takes away more American jobs because of competition, as those countries are less expensive and/or subsidized.
The best you can do is to understand and accept this in the first place. You country still has an excellent quality of life, and your jobs being lost to other qualified people is not something you can avoid. Change your immigration policy so skilled workers go to the US instead, and give them more rights so employers can't abuse the H1B restrictions to make them work like cheap cattle, so at least you are not at a cost disadvantage in the playing field. You have to wake up before it's too late!
Bidets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidet) consume very little amount of water (in comparison to flushing a toilet, showering, washing machines, etc) and clean your private parts more efficiently than paper. They are mandatory in many countries, why not in America?
God created it a few centuries before, then left it in a cave for Muhammad to find it. The prophet was merely pointed to it.
A perfectly scientific explanation.
I saw this coming for a decade now. Ubuntu worked very hard to earn the mind share of Desktop Linux users and, once it became their preferred distro, it was only the natural consequence that their desktop counterpart became their main choice.
Redhat was extremely stupid to just think Linux as a server business and completely let go the Desktop. They aimed at only being a competitor of old server unixes instead of generating a new market.
They still have time to turn this one around (specially as Ubuntu is now wasting resources on going mobile), but as long as they keep supporting a controversial desktop environment (Gnome 3) and don't care about being friendly to new users (Fedora is nowhere near as friendly or usable as Ubuntu), they'll lose the battle in the long run.
Just for $100? so you didn't purchase anything on it?
I don't care about how should everyone keep a roof over their heads. That's not what they sold to their customers.
Fact is they promised something to backers and delivered the complete opposite.
They promised the revolution, a home console for everyone, freedom from the big publishers and for everyone to develop.
When I finally got mine, I turned it on and the first thing it did was ask for my credit card number. Tried to skip it but it was not possible.
I left it collecting dust ever since. So much for revolution and freedom, not going to miss it.
Truck Factor is more related to losing developers key to a project to a point the project can' t be satisfied with the assigned budget or time constraints.
In the case of Open Source Software, if the project is popular enough, at much the project will be delayed until new developers can understand the code, but that's about it. Everything is there for anyone to continue the work and there are no time or budget constraints.
The steps that Greece will take from now on, for those who don't understand enough economics:
1) Greece will leave the Euro
2) Their currency will be devaluated to stop avoiding losses (and the price of Euro will match savings and demand)
3) They will most likely set trade restrictions
4) Eventually, their balance will go back to being positive
5) Once balace is positive, Greece will renegotiate with the majority of entities it owes money to, and will end up paying back less (their debt titles allow this, unlike Argentina)
6) They will never return to the Euro, unless their GDPPC makes it worth it, but this (how much a country likes to work and produce (or has natural resources) vs how much it likes to import) is a cultural/natural thing and can't be forced on people.
that's it.
This is probably difficult to understand for Americans, but the key factor that makes SV so amazing is that venture capitalists over there are a century ahead in terms of taking risks than anywhere else in the world (save for, maybe China at this point). Instead of betting in a few large projects, they bet on few smaller projects. Most will fail but those that succeed usually return huge profits.
In contrast, everywhere else, investors are much more concerned about minimizing risk and focusing on commodities such as building houses, selling mattresses, etc. Silicon Valley is so different that you can find VC offices next to an ice cream store in the middle of the street.
You are right, I used bad wording, meant to be that it's intended to be a w3c standardization effort.
It will take a while to convince developers that running this kind of native code is not unsafe, and that this is technically different (and very superior) to NPAPI, ActiveX, Java, Flash or Silverlight in terms of portability and security.