Ok, fair enough. For real-world situations, you do speak the truth (I am in a similar situation myself, but fortunately have a bit more freedom when it comes to obtaining said tools on my own without spending company money.. Yeay OSS)
My post was indeed for an ideal situation. However it was in response to a clearly hypothetical situation, so still called for:}
As in, instead of dragging 50 files at a time over from explorer or even from the attachment option itself you have to select a single file, hit attach, select a single file, hit attach, select a single file, hit attach. The obvious solution is just to zip them, and then wait for a stupid email about how Word can't open whatever crazy file you sent them.
If you are sending 50 files through email, then perhaps you are doing it wrong.
You know, the same Windows server that runs Exchange will most likely have the software to provide an httpd and an ftpd for just that sort of thing.
The reason for not zipping 50 files together is that, while your own IT admin may bump the email size limit to something insane for your company, most other companys roll at around 10-20mb max.
...and it's all online, so that when the government decides to datamine your life, Google will just send it over without bothering you.
I hate to be the one to point this out, but shame on you for sending data you don't want the govt to see unencrypted over the internet! It's time for you to retake your geek test to see if you should keep your geek card:P
I could see that as a valid complaint for 'regular joe six-pack' types who don't know about encryption, or realize that when you put data out in front of the public, that *gasp* the public can see it! (Ok, a bit bitter there, but I just had an unsecured WiFi argument with someone who had sniffed chat transcripts used against her, yet wont even turn on wep/wga because she hates remembering passwords...) But in my experience, those same users don't seem to care when the dangers are explained to them and alternatives offered, so can it really be too big of a concern?
Either way, this is slashdot, and you should just know better:}
agreed, but this will most likely be connected to some *cough cloud* form on online computing. will it have backup abilities ?
No, backups are your job.
Just don't delete the stuff you upload.
You need to have the files on your computer First before you can store them on gdrive anyway. They are already there. The act of spending no energy, and doing nothing, in that case gives you your backup. The act of spending energy, time, resources, and thought on deleting your copies afterwards, is not just a waste but will put you in a bad situation when something happens to gdrive (or where ever you stored the copy at)
And if you DON'T have the files already on your computer, then you dont need to be worrying about uploading them to anywhere:}
don't think big trusted names can't fold. and if it happens, how will you get this data?
You get that data by opening the files on one of your PCs or backup media.
Why is it a lot of people seem to have the mindset of "once you move data from place A to place B, you should get rid of the data in place A" ???
If it is important to you, encrypt it up, and store it EVERYWHERE. All your home PCs, offsite HDs, friends houses, USB keys, as well as Gdrive, and every other online storage service you can get (or can afford.)
You or a handful of individuals anywhere don't get to choose that. It's unspeakably arrogant to even hold a fleeting thought that you do, and the real world and people in it otherwise known as the human race will smack you down the moment you attempt to apply it to real life.
You are right in that there is a big element of ignorant hysteria here. But you just do not know what will happen for sure.
Of course we don't know what will happen, as that is sorta the whole point to any and all experiments.
We do however know a whole lot of things that WON'T happen!
LHC will not create magic pink fluffy bunnies for example. Nor will it cause all pr0n on the planet to disappear. It won't change the price of bread, nor make your coffee stronger.
We also know that the LHC will not create earth destroying black holes. We don't know this from experiment, but we do know it from observation. Both are equally valid as part of the scientific modal.
Technically we (man kind) have observed this not happening since man kind existed, however we have known what it is we were observing for around a century. That point doesn't invalidate the fact that the conditions created in the LHC have been created in nature since the solar system formed, with even higher energy particles than we plan to create down here in the detector.
And for those who (correctly) do not like the use of the words 'never', 'always', etc, and would point out that all of the items listed above are possible but with odds against them that are so high (or low, depending on POV) that they might as well never happen for as long as we would need to wait for the chances to become reasonable.
It's also a pretty safe bet to say the probability of the hysterical and ignorant will suddenly start caring about the world and universe around them and decide to learn science... And despite this event also having an extremely low probability, this option does have higher chances of happening than anything in the list above regarding the LHC.
I'm never going back to inkjets. Ever. I'd rather live without a printer than subject myself to such horrors again. If anyone here is thinking of making a printer purchase, consider upgrading to a laser. You'll save yourselves a fortune in the long run, and you'll send a message to these greedy printer companies that we don't want to deal with their crappy ink cartridges any longer.
I can't agree more!
I've had an old HP LaserJet 4mv for the last 15 years, and only just now am having issues finding toner for such an old printer in local stores.
I was just looking at color lasers recently (hey, color is cool!) and found a nice one similarly spec'ed like yours but without the scanner/fax part, for $250. Sadly, black ink is $48, and there are 3 color toner carts that are $42 each. Thats like $200 in ink, which for now is making me delay the purchase.
But I have firmly decided to do without any working printer instead of buying a cheap inkjet. Never ever again.
I wonder if the school administrator who turned them in realized the damage that would be done to these kids. Their lives are ruined. They will fight for a long long time to get this off their record.
The administrator no doubt only turned the kid in so he could play the 'it isnt MY child porn, i just found it on the phone!' so they wouldn't find all the real hardcore child porn in his home.
And if he objects to that accusation in any way, well, we all know how much guilt THAT must speak of!
I hope that administrator goes to prison for along time. Just the thought of a child pornographer like him working in a school!
They did someting you claim is impossible, so your claim is clearly not accurate.
I don't think anyone meant that the act of sending them paperwork is impossible. The mail does run come rain and sleet and whatnot.
He meant the act of that actually bringing about an appeal is impossible. which it is. and they have not done, nor will. So his claim is 100% accurate.
Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for out of this article.
I am planning to do something similar, but for work.
Most of our building is RF shielded, and there are only two small breakrooms where TVs can get reception. Our internet pipe is only 3mbit down, so multiple streams are out of the question.
I feel it would also be more productive for employees to watch it at their desk on media player from a link on our intranet site, than to gather everyone in two small break rooms. The normal conference room where everyone can fit in only has a computer projection system, so cant easily get TV reception either, but could stream. Either way, some staff can still do work while watching at their desk, while for others who will stop working to watch it, it would at least save the walking time from there to one of the break rooms or conf room, which depending where you are can be as much as a 10 minute walk (each way)
then I swear I'm going to start my own country, where we manage our own servers so little script kiddies can't get harvest information that easily (not really, don't need treason charges:).
Naa, treason would only apply if you tried to over throw -this- govt... as long as you start your country off their land, your good to go!
PS, call me when the army of ninjas (marines) and pirates (navy) are in place, and hell, even i'd like to subscribe to your country (or news letter)
Precisely. Very few people currently use or need to use 64 bit computing. Outside of servers, I cannot even think of any systems I have come across with more than 4GB of physical memory.
This isn't an argument against, because yes I fully agree with you.
But just wanted to point out (aka brag), my new laptop has 4gb ram, and it was the smallest memory upgrade i could make to the factory 2gb ram.
It only has two dimm slots, so replaced the two 1gb sticks with 2gb. mismatching a 1 and 2 gb stick caused problems. So effectively I have a wasted gb of ram, since i do stick with 32 bit OS's on it in all cases.
Alot of people I hear from have the same issue, just with less understanding. They do have 3+ gig of physical ram, but outside of that, no other need for 64 bit. No apps that use it, no apps that need more than 2gb each, etc etc (same as me, except maybe photoshop, but even there i don't know if CS3 is 32/64 or just 32 bit compiled. its just the only app i have i can think of that actually Could take some advantage of being compiled 64bit)
Win2k is a decade old. Stable or not, you can't expect companies to go on supporting it forever.
Why not? If there are enough users (especially large businesses) and people paying for support (i.e. licensed or bespoke software) then why cut off customers?
Well, you are correct. Any business out there is free to pick up at providing support where the parent company left off. You are free to start such a business as well.
The problem is that the parent company has to employee staff that can still have knowledge about the older product. Developers too like to upgrade skills. Some just move on to other things, and you can't expect those men to be in slavery to you. Then at some point, the company will see the amount it is paying those few people in salary is more than the amount you and all of their other such clients are paying for support. That is when it costs THEM money to do as you ask.
If you really want to see what WGA is sending to Microsoft, just capture the packets on their way to the internet and see what's being sent. Has anyone done that and found anything of real interest?
Yes, it has been done. MS has been sued over the amount of personal information being sent back to MS. MS claimed that even releasing details on WGA in court would allow hackers to take over all of their customers windows computers.
So, we have MS admitting that they (and everyone else who looks) can have full control over windows systems, and they cant have the world knowing what data is being sent back due to security claims (What the govt would call national security, no doubt)
Oh, and that info about what exactly is sent back to MS that the court ruled can not be released to the public due to 'hackers' being able to take full control over windows? No, it is not of much interest. And nothing more identifiable than a GUID.
It's funny how you never seem to hear the follow-up story titled "X's lawsuit thrown out because it's utter nonsense".
This [the-injury...ectory.com] article strongly disagrees.
Um, the first paragraph of your link states
Some people will try anything to make a million. Ever thought of suing someone because they look like you? Check out this and other frivolous lawsuits for a laugh, but don't try them yourself! Frivolous lawsuits very rarely make it through the courts, and usually wind up costing the plaintiff.
(Bold added by me)
Pretty much matches the QP you quoted...
Unless there is a new definition of 'disagrees' now.
the transcript is public domain. as such, it should be easily available from any law clerk at the courthouse unless the judge orders the court case closed. now the RIAA could file a motion to close the court proceedings - but they would have to have a decent argument as to why that is necessary.
My, you say that as if they would still not go ahead and file a DMCA takedown notice anyway, and later just say 'oops, our bad' instead of taking them to court. It would cause some aggravation, and piss off the website owners, for next to no cost (lawyers on staff anyway), so why not? That is their thinking.
As all of their other court cases except this one show, not having a case at all is no reason not to move forward with one.
Guys, we all need to stop eating and switch to IV-delivered glucose. Poop is gross, and your digestive tract is mostly unnecessary with modern technology. I'm not against a hair styling -- be it head, face, or otherwise -- but to suggest that a standard bit of anatomy is "gross" and must be entirely removed is absurd.
Aww damn, you went and all got my hopes up that removing the digestive tract could be done now:{ Having to stop to eat and all else involved, despite being 'gross' up for debate, is decidedly annoying.
In testing. You need to be able to verify the testing mechanism. Open Source will win there because of the ability to view and modify the code. Just verify that you are testing with the same stuff that you reviewed.
While normally you would be correct, open source will only 'win' in the testing department if the goal in the first place was to have functional software that works (as close as possible) to how it claims to work. Can you honestly with a straight face say that was Diebolds want/desire at any point during this e-voting scam?
Actually, USB 3.0 was targeted for mass storage devices. They added the concept of Bulk Streams to support "out-of-order data transfers required for mass storage device command queuing." (USB 3.0 spec, section 4.4.6.4) Basically, the host can queue up to 65K SCSI commands, and the device can choose which command it wants to service first.
The host doesn't have to poll the device to see when commands are done because they added device notifications to USB 3.0. So the host fires off 65K of SCSI requests and the device asynchronously notifies the host as they get done. I'm no firewire expert, so I have no idea if it does something comparable.:)
It sounds like they are finally breaking with the crappy part of USB (target only, cpu controlled thus overhead and slowdowns) and making it more like firewire.
firewire for mass storage basically is scsi over firewire, so identical to scsi except faster. I believe the queue limit is less than 65k, but yes it handles queues similar.
the other nice advantage of scsi (thus firewire) is the controller can command one disk to send data directly to another, without passing through the controller or cpu at all.
this makes syncing 2 sets of 2 raid mirror drives not lock the system down with cpu load like usb 1/2 did.
i'm looking forward to giving usb 3 a try actually
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Blah, I just checked and you are correct. :}
I suck
*sings* No body does it like, molten boron!
Ok, fair enough. For real-world situations, you do speak the truth (I am in a similar situation myself, but fortunately have a bit more freedom when it comes to obtaining said tools on my own without spending company money.. Yeay OSS)
My post was indeed for an ideal situation. However it was in response to a clearly hypothetical situation, so still called for :}
As in, instead of dragging 50 files at a time over from explorer or even from the attachment option itself you have to select a single file, hit attach, select a single file, hit attach, select a single file, hit attach. The obvious solution is just to zip them, and then wait for a stupid email about how Word can't open whatever crazy file you sent them.
If you are sending 50 files through email, then perhaps you are doing it wrong.
You know, the same Windows server that runs Exchange will most likely have the software to provide an httpd and an ftpd for just that sort of thing.
The reason for not zipping 50 files together is that, while your own IT admin may bump the email size limit to something insane for your company, most other companys roll at around 10-20mb max.
...and it's all online, so that when the government decides to datamine your life, Google will just send it over without bothering you.
I hate to be the one to point this out, but shame on you for sending data you don't want the govt to see unencrypted over the internet! It's time for you to retake your geek test to see if you should keep your geek card :P
I could see that as a valid complaint for 'regular joe six-pack' types who don't know about encryption, or realize that when you put data out in front of the public, that *gasp* the public can see it!
(Ok, a bit bitter there, but I just had an unsecured WiFi argument with someone who had sniffed chat transcripts used against her, yet wont even turn on wep/wga because she hates remembering passwords...)
But in my experience, those same users don't seem to care when the dangers are explained to them and alternatives offered, so can it really be too big of a concern?
Either way, this is slashdot, and you should just know better :}
agreed, but this will most likely be connected to some *cough cloud* form on online computing. will it have backup abilities ?
No, backups are your job.
Just don't delete the stuff you upload.
You need to have the files on your computer First before you can store them on gdrive anyway. They are already there.
The act of spending no energy, and doing nothing, in that case gives you your backup.
The act of spending energy, time, resources, and thought on deleting your copies afterwards, is not just a waste but will put you in a bad situation when something happens to gdrive (or where ever you stored the copy at)
And if you DON'T have the files already on your computer, then you dont need to be worrying about uploading them to anywhere :}
don't think big trusted names can't fold. and if it happens, how will you get this data?
You get that data by opening the files on one of your PCs or backup media.
Why is it a lot of people seem to have the mindset of "once you move data from place A to place B, you should get rid of the data in place A" ???
If it is important to you, encrypt it up, and store it EVERYWHERE. All your home PCs, offsite HDs, friends houses, USB keys, as well as Gdrive, and every other online storage service you can get (or can afford.)
I haven't used Windows in a long time so I'm not sure if it's still true, but XP wasn't terrible (when free of malware)
That is exactly what I want to hear about a product for sale...
It wasn't terrible, except the times it was.
You or a handful of individuals anywhere don't get to choose that. It's unspeakably arrogant to even hold a fleeting thought that you do, and the real world and people in it otherwise known as the human race will smack you down the moment you attempt to apply it to real life.
LOL
wooosh!
You are right in that there is a big element of ignorant hysteria here.
But you just do not know what will happen for sure.
Of course we don't know what will happen, as that is sorta the whole point to any and all experiments.
We do however know a whole lot of things that WON'T happen!
LHC will not create magic pink fluffy bunnies for example.
Nor will it cause all pr0n on the planet to disappear.
It won't change the price of bread, nor make your coffee stronger.
We also know that the LHC will not create earth destroying black holes.
We don't know this from experiment, but we do know it from observation. Both are equally valid as part of the scientific modal.
Technically we (man kind) have observed this not happening since man kind existed, however we have known what it is we were observing for around a century. That point doesn't invalidate the fact that the conditions created in the LHC have been created in nature since the solar system formed, with even higher energy particles than we plan to create down here in the detector.
And for those who (correctly) do not like the use of the words 'never', 'always', etc, and would point out that all of the items listed above are possible but with odds against them that are so high (or low, depending on POV) that they might as well never happen for as long as we would need to wait for the chances to become reasonable.
It's also a pretty safe bet to say the probability of the hysterical and ignorant will suddenly start caring about the world and universe around them and decide to learn science... And despite this event also having an extremely low probability, this option does have higher chances of happening than anything in the list above regarding the LHC.
I'm never going back to inkjets. Ever. I'd rather live without a printer than subject myself to such horrors again. If anyone here is thinking of making a printer purchase, consider upgrading to a laser. You'll save yourselves a fortune in the long run, and you'll send a message to these greedy printer companies that we don't want to deal with their crappy ink cartridges any longer.
I can't agree more!
I've had an old HP LaserJet 4mv for the last 15 years, and only just now am having issues finding toner for such an old printer in local stores.
I was just looking at color lasers recently (hey, color is cool!) and found a nice one similarly spec'ed like yours but without the scanner/fax part, for $250. Sadly, black ink is $48, and there are 3 color toner carts that are $42 each. Thats like $200 in ink, which for now is making me delay the purchase.
But I have firmly decided to do without any working printer instead of buying a cheap inkjet. Never ever again.
I wonder if the school administrator who turned them in realized the damage that would be done to these kids. Their lives are ruined. They will fight for a long long time to get this off their record.
The administrator no doubt only turned the kid in so he could play the 'it isnt MY child porn, i just found it on the phone!' so they wouldn't find all the real hardcore child porn in his home.
And if he objects to that accusation in any way, well, we all know how much guilt THAT must speak of!
I hope that administrator goes to prison for along time. Just the thought of a child pornographer like him working in a school!
They did someting you claim is impossible, so your claim is clearly not accurate.
I don't think anyone meant that the act of sending them paperwork is impossible. The mail does run come rain and sleet and whatnot.
He meant the act of that actually bringing about an appeal is impossible. which it is. and they have not done, nor will. So his claim is 100% accurate.
Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for out of this article.
I am planning to do something similar, but for work.
Most of our building is RF shielded, and there are only two small breakrooms where TVs can get reception.
Our internet pipe is only 3mbit down, so multiple streams are out of the question.
I feel it would also be more productive for employees to watch it at their desk on media player from a link on our intranet site, than to gather everyone in two small break rooms. The normal conference room where everyone can fit in only has a computer projection system, so cant easily get TV reception either, but could stream.
Either way, some staff can still do work while watching at their desk, while for others who will stop working to watch it, it would at least save the walking time from there to one of the break rooms or conf room, which depending where you are can be as much as a 10 minute walk (each way)
Thanks for the info again
then I swear I'm going to start my own country, where we manage our own servers so little script kiddies can't get harvest information that easily (not really, don't need treason charges :).
Naa, treason would only apply if you tried to over throw -this- govt... as long as you start your country off their land, your good to go!
PS, call me when the army of ninjas (marines) and pirates (navy) are in place, and hell, even i'd like to subscribe to your country (or news letter)
Precisely. Very few people currently use or need to use 64 bit computing. Outside of servers, I cannot even think of any systems I have come across with more than 4GB of physical memory.
This isn't an argument against, because yes I fully agree with you.
But just wanted to point out (aka brag), my new laptop has 4gb ram, and it was the smallest memory upgrade i could make to the factory 2gb ram.
It only has two dimm slots, so replaced the two 1gb sticks with 2gb. mismatching a 1 and 2 gb stick caused problems.
So effectively I have a wasted gb of ram, since i do stick with 32 bit OS's on it in all cases.
Alot of people I hear from have the same issue, just with less understanding. They do have 3+ gig of physical ram, but outside of that, no other need for 64 bit. No apps that use it, no apps that need more than 2gb each, etc etc (same as me, except maybe photoshop, but even there i don't know if CS3 is 32/64 or just 32 bit compiled. its just the only app i have i can think of that actually Could take some advantage of being compiled 64bit)
This means that OS's without DRM give you LESS choice or control over any media you may purchase.
How does remotely being able to disable your entire OS, potentially by mistake, which is what DRM really is, MORE control?
Win2k is a decade old. Stable or not, you can't expect companies to go on supporting it forever.
Why not? If there are enough users (especially large businesses) and people paying for support (i.e. licensed or bespoke software) then why cut off customers?
Well, you are correct. Any business out there is free to pick up at providing support where the parent company left off. You are free to start such a business as well.
The problem is that the parent company has to employee staff that can still have knowledge about the older product.
Developers too like to upgrade skills. Some just move on to other things, and you can't expect those men to be in slavery to you.
Then at some point, the company will see the amount it is paying those few people in salary is more than the amount you and all of their other such clients are paying for support. That is when it costs THEM money to do as you ask.
If you really want to see what WGA is sending to Microsoft, just capture the packets on their way to the internet and see what's being sent. Has anyone done that and found anything of real interest?
Yes, it has been done. MS has been sued over the amount of personal information being sent back to MS.
MS claimed that even releasing details on WGA in court would allow hackers to take over all of their customers windows computers.
So, we have MS admitting that they (and everyone else who looks) can have full control over windows systems, and they cant have the world knowing what data is being sent back due to security claims (What the govt would call national security, no doubt)
References:
http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_Sued_Over_WGA_Program/1151615015
https://www.hackinthebox.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=28694
http://news.cnet.com/Microsoft-faces-second-WGA-lawsuit/2100-1014_3-6090651.html
Oh, and that info about what exactly is sent back to MS that the court ruled can not be released to the public due to 'hackers' being able to take full control over windows?
No, it is not of much interest. And nothing more identifiable than a GUID.
This link contains the full undecoded XML sent from WGA to MS:
http://blogs.msdn.com/wga/archive/2007/03/07/wga-notifications-and-download-and-install-telemetry.aspx
It's funny how you never seem to hear the follow-up story titled "X's lawsuit thrown out because it's utter nonsense".
This [the-injury...ectory.com] article strongly disagrees.
Um, the first paragraph of your link states
Some people will try anything to make a million. Ever thought of suing someone because they look like you? Check out this and other frivolous lawsuits for a laugh, but don't try them yourself! Frivolous lawsuits very rarely make it through the courts, and usually wind up costing the plaintiff.
(Bold added by me)
Pretty much matches the QP you quoted...
Unless there is a new definition of 'disagrees' now.
Cue the DMCA takedown notice in 5, 4, 3... ;)
the transcript is public domain. as such, it should be easily available from any law clerk at the courthouse unless the judge orders the court case closed. now the RIAA could file a motion to close the court proceedings - but they would have to have a decent argument as to why that is necessary.
My, you say that as if they would still not go ahead and file a DMCA takedown notice anyway, and later just say 'oops, our bad' instead of taking them to court.
It would cause some aggravation, and piss off the website owners, for next to no cost (lawyers on staff anyway), so why not?
That is their thinking.
As all of their other court cases except this one show, not having a case at all is no reason not to move forward with one.
Guys, we all need to stop eating and switch to IV-delivered glucose. Poop is gross, and your digestive tract is mostly unnecessary with modern technology.
I'm not against a hair styling -- be it head, face, or otherwise -- but to suggest that a standard bit of anatomy is "gross" and must be entirely removed is absurd.
Aww damn, you went and all got my hopes up that removing the digestive tract could be done now :{
Having to stop to eat and all else involved, despite being 'gross' up for debate, is decidedly annoying.
Researchers at Rice University have demonstrated a new data storage medium made out of a layer of graphite only 10 atoms thick.
640k of atoms should be thin enough for anybody!
In testing. You need to be able to verify the testing mechanism. Open Source will win there because of the ability to view and modify the code. Just verify that you are testing with the same stuff that you reviewed.
While normally you would be correct, open source will only 'win' in the testing department if the goal in the first place was to have functional software that works (as close as possible) to how it claims to work.
Can you honestly with a straight face say that was Diebolds want/desire at any point during this e-voting scam?
Actually, USB 3.0 was targeted for mass storage devices. They added the concept of Bulk Streams to support "out-of-order data transfers required for mass storage device command queuing." (USB 3.0 spec, section 4.4.6.4) Basically, the host can queue up to 65K SCSI commands, and the device can choose which command it wants to service first.
The host doesn't have to poll the device to see when commands are done because they added device notifications to USB 3.0. So the host fires off 65K of SCSI requests and the device asynchronously notifies the host as they get done. I'm no firewire expert, so I have no idea if it does something comparable. :)
It sounds like they are finally breaking with the crappy part of USB (target only, cpu controlled thus overhead and slowdowns) and making it more like firewire.
firewire for mass storage basically is scsi over firewire, so identical to scsi except faster.
I believe the queue limit is less than 65k, but yes it handles queues similar.
the other nice advantage of scsi (thus firewire) is the controller can command one disk to send data directly to another, without passing through the controller or cpu at all.
this makes syncing 2 sets of 2 raid mirror drives not lock the system down with cpu load like usb 1/2 did.
i'm looking forward to giving usb 3 a try actually