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Microsoft Uses WGA To Obtain Record Jail Sentences
theodp writes "According to Microsoft, 'No information is collected during the [Genuine Advantage Program] validation process that can be used to identify or contact a user.' That's little comfort to the software counterfeiters who were just handed jail sentences ranging from 1.5-6.5 years by the Futian People's Court in China, especially since Microsoft contends that much of the estimated $2B in bogus software was detected by its Windows Genuine Advantage program. 'Software piracy negatively impacts local economic growth,' explained Microsoft VP Fengming Liu in a celebratory New Year's Eve press release. But then again, so does transferring $16B of assets and $9B in annual profit to an Irish tax haven, doesn't it?"
Seriously, There is a persisting writeup from a japanese LUG years ago talking about how pirated copies of windows cannibalize the linux userbase and dev base.
Pirated windows is the bane of linux, and I applaud microsoft for slitting their own throat by pursuing windows counterfeiters.
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The moral of the story is: don't trust a commercialistic company not to try to gain advantage - any way it can. Especially Microsoft.
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I'm betting that a good amount of the information used in this case came from posters on the WGA forum, where people can post if they're having issues with WGA. One of the tools available in that forum is a WGA diagnostic tool which will generate a sanitized text dump of a user's windows validation information. Most cases on that forum are people whose brother, cousin, or sketchy PC shop installed a common warez release of Windows on their systems, but several there are people who bought apparently legitimate software from resellers which failed validation and later turned out to be counterfeit. Microsoft got in touch with these users, identified the resellers, and I'm betting that this news story is the result.
Sounds to me like they were just bragging that WGA actually noticed when a user had a counterfeit copy, not that it had any effect on the sentence.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
WGA exists to bug users that have stolen the software and so Microsoft has an overall clue about how many people have stolen the software, not go after specifics.
I remember seeing a report from Microsoft saying they knew for a fact that 1 in 3 corporate machines were stolen. If they wanted to target for the purposes of bringing them to court it wouldn't exactly be difficult; they just want to irritate thieves and have an idea how many rogue copies there are.
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And a lot of you guys will be screaming murder. Have you realized that GPL enforcement and Windows license enforcement comes from the same thing as Copyright law?
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So did MS lie when they assured me that no personal information was collected when I installed WGA?
(RTFA)
Maybe not. Oh well, so much for a massive class action.
"But then again, so does transferring $16B of assets and $9B in annual profit to an Irish tax haven, doesn't it?"
What's the point of adding that statement? So it's OK to steal from someone who is "rich" or who has a shrewd accountant?
I don't like Microsoft any more than the next guy, but winking at large scale theft of their product because they somehow "deserve it" is just plain wrong.
Cheers,
Bill G.'s just learned from Ingvar Kamprad, founder of IKEA and also one of the richest men in the world, about how there's nothing as good as avoiding taxes.
'Software piracy negatively impacts local economic growth,'
And buying Microsoft software takes money out of local economies and sends it to Redmond. (And buying Apple software does the same thing, but to Cupertino).
I say that using non-free software can also negatively impact local economies, but people do it anyway.
Really, answering my own post here, it's not just as black and white as that. Companies using open source would help energize their local economy by using local companies/consultants, but often they don't. And companies using MS software, while spending for it, may use local companies/consultants as well, keeping some of the money local.
However, in the case of real large scale piracy, it's the worst of both worlds, because money has left the local economy, and not gone to the rightful owners (in this case, Microsoft).
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The summary appears to suggest that Microsoft was lying about WGA not collecting personal information, otherwise I just can't see why that statement appeared in the summary at all.
Unfortunately, the facts don't support that accusation. All we know is that WGA was used to count how many users had a particular counterfeit copy of Windows; this does not require any identifying information, just a license key. Microsoft then determined through other means that this particular copy originated with a particular pirate group (and yes, piracy is the correct term here).
I also fail to see what Microsoft's accounting practices have to do with this story. Is the submitter trying to suggest that a wrong committed by Microsoft somehow negates its right to seek justice in court? That's not how it works.
Obligatory disclaimer: I'm no more of a Microsoft fan than anyone here, but biased, sensationalist story-telling pisses me off.
Short version for those who can't be bothered to RTFA: WGA doesn't send personally identifiable data, and the people sentenced were not end users but pirates (yeah, I said pirates. Suck it bitches.) who sold on illegal copies.
It's hard to blame Microsoft for moving money offshore to avoid taxes, we're the idiots that tax the hell out of our populace and our companies and think no bad could ever come from it. Perhaps if we were a bit more supportive of success rather than spending $700B - $1,700B rewarding failure ...
This could mean anything. It could mean, as others have said above,
a) that people's s/w just failed validation and the people complained to MS, leading to the case(s) breaking, or
b) that WGA fingered the specific computers and the PRC police took care of the rest.
MS officially denies b, but one suspects that it wants you to believe it, whether it is true or not, as they seem to want people to fear them. The question becomes, does you believe MS when they assure you that personal information is not collected? Those paragons of honesty? Who could doubt their sacred word? Have they ever been less than 100% honest? I might believe MS--if they swore to it on a 10,000 meter high stack of $100 bills, which is probably the only thing sacred to MS.
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It's hard to blame Microsoft for moving money offshore to avoid taxes, we're the idiots that tax the hell out of our populace and our companies and think no bad could ever come from it
The problem is that the US won't close the loopholes they use.
Close the loophole, send a few shots across the bow of the tax havens and get them to cooperate. A lot of these tax havens have one problem - they're too easy to take over.
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Yes, it does. So, the natural solution to this is to give corporations incentives to keep their money local instead of sending it to tax havens. America used to be a tax haven for foreign investors. If we want to pull out of the recession quickly, we should restructure our taxes and spending accordingly, to encourage people to squirrel their assets away on our soil, rather than Ireland, Switzerland, the Caribbean or Indonesia.
This is just basic, good sense, especially if you are one of those people who believes that the rich can buy influence. If you believe that, then what makes you think that they won't be able to get their assets overseas while the middle class and lower end of the upper class get taxed into oblivion?
'Software piracy negatively impacts local economic growth,' explained Microsoft VP Fengming Liu in a celebratory New Year's Eve press release. But then again, so does transferring $16B of assets and $9B in annual profit to an Irish tax haven, doesn't it?"
It is called a lack of accountability and transparency. Update the tax code to account for these places, making it near-impossible to use tax havens without incurring an unmanageable loss. How's 1,000,000,001% do as a minimum that scales up as the taxed amount goes down? Of course, there is the military option as a good deal of those tax havens are quite easy to topple.
What about the knockoffs in the realm of physical goods?
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
seek justice in court
LOL how is that supposed to work? The one winning in court is the one who can afford the better lawyer. At least where I live.
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"Microsoft contends that much of the bogus software was detected by its Windows Genuine Advantage program, which is automatically installed on users' machines. It scans computers for pirated software and alerts people if it believes their products aren't properly licensed. The counterfeits were also discovered through customs seizures, test purchases by Microsoft and resellers who alerted authorities to suspicious competitors. "
WGA just alerts the user their software is fake, how is this bad or a big deal?
....human.
You are born and you will die and in your human lfe time you have to fit it in to the ideologies others have created. But why if there is a better way than teh way being used?
If anyone is looking for to use MS windows pirating as an excuse for the bad economy or in any way contributing to it... Wake up.
The economy is not what it is because of the knowledge, natural resources and man power we have, as what we have here calculates to a far better result.
But it is what it is because of how badly it has been manipulated by its inventors (inventors of the monetary systems of how new money is created).
The abstract of money is easy to manipulate, to easy to detour away from the values one actually produces.
When you have systems like the abstract stock market that is based on the abstract concept of money, it is in essence no longer an investment in a company but a method of transferring wealth without productively producing anything, and you have inherent problems.
As to the pirating.... Why are they doing it anyway as there are free options which are improving to the point of being better than, and surpassing, proprietary software.
So.... So what that MS has busted some pirate software producers. Obviously it is their (pirates) own choice to play the risk game.
This is not news of how well their genuine windows advantage works as those going to prison only become a burden on society to support them.
Oh wait... food, clothing, shelter..... supplied for free? I guess there is an advantage to pirating...
And when the next few generations die off nobody will know the difference anymore.
But if everyone pinched in being productive then we obviously would have a much better living so called economy.
The more OSS expands and improves the more obvious it is going to become that there is another and better way.
"The counterfeit software, found in 36 countries and on five continents, contained fake versions of 19 of Microsoftâ(TM)s most popular products and was produced in at least 11 languages."
How many languages were the original products produced in? At first glance, it sounds like they were filling a need.
"The only legitimate use of a computer is to play games." - Eugene Jarvis
Microsoft says pirating software takes money from local economies! (read: pirates are stealin' America's money!!1one)
Microsoft uses an Irish tax haven to keep billions of their dollars out of reach of the American tax man.
If you don't see the hypocrisy in that, please read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
What you're basically saying is that just one raid justifies MS annoying all of us legitimate users and treating us like criminals.
Buying a Microsoft product from Microsoft "negatively impacts local economic growth."
Buying from a pirate directly contributes to local economic growth - in the short term, at least.
It seems likely that any Microsoft product is a long term liability, though.
you had me at #!
How is it again that getting free software negatively affects "local" economic growth? If I live in a dirt poor country how is my economic growth helped by sending my money off to Microsoft?
Actually, it would seem that pirating software is a much better incentive for local growth -- instead of spending my hard currency on a bunch of easily replicated bits, I can use that currency for something tangible that builds my business, like a machine -- in a more efficient way using my super-duper Excel spreadsheet analysis.
Step out the front door like a ghost into the fog . . .
Microsoft is a convicted criminal enterprise. It beats the hell out of the rest of us why Americans remain so unconcerned about the vast scale of their theft, not to mention the tax evasion - and continue to let them get away with it and even defend them... No wonder your house of cards is collapsing...
you had me at #!
You say that as if they deserve anything other than what they got. They knew the risks, they knew the penalties (or should have), they got caught. Now, it is time for them to pay the price.
Maybe all you poor little whiners who cry every time someone is busted for violating other people's rights should imagine how you would like it if someone violated your rights. Oh, that is right, when someone violates the rights of FSF or the like, you want the book thrown at them.
What a bunch of whiny hypocrites you lot are.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
Most GPL && Linux fans in the audience welcome Microsoft's efforts to crack down on Windows piracy. People who are using pirated copies of Windows are using Windows drivers and Windows applications and Windows games and overall increasing Windows market-share. If someone is not using Windows (pirated or otherwise), they'll be much more likely to jump towards Linux - especially if they're looking for a free(-of-charge) OS. The GPL fans should be cheering at such suicidal actions from Microsoft.
/.'s arguments against WGA (and other sorts of DRM) have more to do with how it treats the legitimate end-users rather than getting software without cost/payment. There isn't really anything comparable with GPL'd software, what with how the GPL is specifically designed to avoid such things.
"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire
Having some disadvantage, such as no family with the resources to send you to college, doesn't mean you are somehow entitled to be compensated for that disadvantage from the pockets of other people. Life is not meant to be fair, live with it. You CAN get some compensation if somebody chooses to do it for you as a gift or privilege, and that's perfectly fine - you just have no RIGHTS to that effect.
Could you please put your comment into the context?
Are you suggesting the counterfeiers did something just and are screwed by big Microsoft because it has more money?
How is avoiding taxes immoral?
Do you also believe that the taxes Microsoft pays won't get pushed down to the consumer?
So did MS lie when they assured me that no personal information was collected when I installed WGA?
As I understand it, WGA includes a tool to submit an anonymous tip against your supplier. So it collects no personal information about you but instead about your supplier.
If I live in a dirt poor country how is my economic growth helped by sending my money off to Microsoft?
Well, if you walked into a store in your dirt poor country and bought a copy, it might help your local economy. Or if you ordered a copy from Amazon.com, a resident of your country would probably be paid to deliver it. Someone might even pay you to install it for them.
One more reason to move toward Open Source and tell these fuckers to take a hike. Having a nasty, paranoid mind-set, I have avoided WGA like the plague. There's less convenient but effective ways to keep my system updated, and properly-maintained security to deal with the time lag.
I'm not worried about piracy, but I don't for a minute believe Microsoft's claims about WGA. I'm certain they're collecting personal information, and I'm equally certain that at some point, they'll find a way to sell it or offer it to one government or another.
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Despite the hatred against Microsoft, commercial or large-scale cloning of MS-products is not ok.
The right thing to do, is to destroy Microsoft completely, burn Bill and his EEE (extend, ...) and marketing team in hell and nuke everything from orbit, just to be sure. ;)
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Thats an economic fallacy called the Window Broken Fallacy.
The gist is that a kid breaks a window,therefore stimulates the economy to "create hundreds of dollars" of potential wealth in services and such.
The fallacypart is that would have happened any number of different ways. Instead, the person with the broken window is out that much money.
Although I agree that the m$ veep is trying to sound very goody goody by talking about hurting the local economy, he means that they are reducing m$ sales and the Chinese Govt is under some kind of pressure to act on m$'s urgings, given the political and economic state of affairs between China and the US.
However, I can say from my personal experience that Microsoft products are very poor in design, deliberately made so, to make people come back due to lock-in, and of course the fact that they are closed source - remember, programmers need to be paid to change bad programs even if the source code is available.
Towards the end of 2007, one macroserf admitted on stage that piracy had helped them gain revenues.
A decade or so ago, billy boy had lectured a group of students (must have been lawyers) at the Washington Univ. and mentioned that as long as PCs are being sold out there we want our software to be on those PCs, paid or free. WE'll first get them used to our software and then figure out how to recover the money.
Billy boy said that in a lecture on stage before a class of graduating students.
I've seen several local companies burn out in the face of "free software" from Microsoft. You cannot compete with zero-price!
The most important thing I have against Microsoft, which you cannot deny whichever way you look at it is that Microsoft encourages theft and corruption by using licenses of this type and using tactics of this kind.
The license is so restrictive that a relatively small error (or maybe actually a good deed of sharing code) becomes a legal crime.
And it pricks you at the back of your mind at all the time. If you are not the "conscientious" type, you learn to NOT reward the programmer for his work - you want to snatch everything for free and you want to pride yourself over not being caught stealing. That makes you a slimy corrupt sub-human creature.
All because Microsoft offers such a drastic pair of options.
They make you choose between your exploitation and your slow corruption.
That is worse than most bad things you could do as an ordinary civilian person.
As RMS says, they present you with a moral dilemma.
The fitting reply would be to present Microsoft with a dilemma - you have the money Warren Buffett donated - you pay it for the poor or else......
Note that since we do not wish to stoop down to the level of Microsoft we should not present Microsoft with a dilemma guaranteed to make Microsoft the loser. Instead it should guarantee that we, or everyone, is the winner.
The question is, how do you effectively force such a dilemma down the throat of Redmond.
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Umm, sorry, but that "we're fat so we can bully the crap out of anyone else" attitude is what got you into trouble in the first place - because you will alienate everyone else. And guess whose help you need now your own people have stolen money from the planet, supported by what only can be called a corrupt government?
Here's a bit of truth for you. The whole reason the war in Iraq was REALLY started was because Saddam had converted currency holdings and oil sales to Euro and was making a serious profit as a consequence. The US Government badly needed an excuse to stop this because it would have ended the use of the US dollar as fiat currency for energy purchases, throwing a large nuke into the US ability to just borrow money at will and spend as, well, complete idiots.
The Bush era started with a budget surplus, built on Clinton's ability to forge partnerships and collaborate - the guiding principle was that you only trade with those who you can trust (to a degree). The Bush club has in 8 years turned your surplus into the largest black hole ever seen in an economy, and the slack law enforcement that was required to make this happen without most of the perpetrators rot in jail has left the door open for all sorts of other scams, sub-prime and the Murdoff case being just two of them. And that wonderful attitude has then torn the rest of the world with it.
So, Mr Bully, your lot indicted a president because he lied about something that was humanly embarrassing but didn't affect the country. Yet Bush & cronies escape unscathed despite clearly lying about WMD, nuking the economy and the standing of the nation and bringing misery to virtually all Americans (don't tell me you don't feel the effects).
Now about tax havens. You must be a little bit more precise in your description, because not all locations are tax havens. Most economies that hold money have processes that can be started to track down tax dodgers - but as the US has demonstrated in the UBS case, it prefers to ignore any agreement it has ever made (with the attitude you displayed). The problem is that that tries to impose US law on a sovereign state, and the "crime" fighting is thus far less effective as when the US would do as agreed (it would also inspire a degree of trust in the US, the inability to follow any agreement is what causes a lot of US businesses to miss out on business which is now picked up elsewhere). The US is not alone in this, the formal purchase of stolen Liechtenstein data by the German tax authorities is about to come home to roost - because those who can simply leave the country completely, taking their money with them. In other words, you lose those who can pay a lot of tax.
Oh, and there is another little problem which Germany has been reminded of (and I suspect the US will be as well): in Switzerland, AFAIK the government appears to get by on an overall tax burden of about 30..35% and everything works. In Germany, the tax pressure is almost double that and service sucks - major league. This is why the German government makes a lot of noise about tax havens that aren't - the local realities are too embarrassing to gain frontpage coverage. You may notice a parallel with the US health services here.
Now go and learn about real life. It's hard in your country, I know, because most of what you get is BS. Once you have learned to think for yourself you may open your mouth again. Oh, and if you want to bomb another country, think first. Working with the country may be (a) cheaper and (b) you may not need to watch your back all the time.
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I recall Bill Gates stating that if people are going to pirate an operating system, he preferred they pirated M$ Windoz.
Didn't Ballmer get the memo?
"Suppose you were an idiot...and suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself." Mark Twain
Corporations cost money to taxpayers to support. Roads, hospitals, schools, utilities, emergency services, military protection, etc. are all expected by corporations as part of local services.
Untrue for the most part and a sweeping generalization like that ignores the benefits of having a corporation do business in the local area (employment, etc.).
You are partially correct, in that if all profits, capital spending, payroll and (possibly) product sales is moved out of a taxation jurisdiction, then that jurisdiction will suffer. There needs to be some balance and you can look at the tradeoffs that were made in the automotive industry with Japan to see some of them.
Lower the taxes too far, and those huge business moving to your nation will bleed you dry.
No that's not a problem with taxation. Lower the taxes and EVERYONE will come.
There are many ways for politicians to come to terms with organizations who do business on their turf. In the 1970s, my parent's church wanted to buy some adjacent property and expand the church. The city of San Luis Obispo said "Yes, but ... we want you to pay for a street extension along one side". So, they did.
I am far more distrustful of politicians who have only their own interests to attend to, than corporations who have to keep their consumers and employees happy.
That is cool logic. And by extension of it... When *I* get charged taxes, I pass that cost of living on to my employer, who in turn passes it on to the consumer. This puts the citizen's hidden tax burden two levels deep. This makes it even harder for the taxpayer to know exactly what their true tax burden is. So, by your logic *I* should not have to pay taxes anymore. As soon as the various tax authorities let me know that I no longer have to pay taxes, I will declare you a genius.
A copy from a particular pirate group does not follow as a person not owning a legitimate key.
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Seriously, enough already. You guys who "warn" us about twitter have been at it almost as long as twitter has. What does that say about you?
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WGA wasn't used to throw users of the pirated software in jail. WGA was used to determine the pirated keys being used, and the number of them in circulation led the the charges that put the pirates in jail.
And please tell me, why do I have to tell NoScript to allow doubleclick.net before my comment will preview?
Seriously, WHO'S tracking users?
I love the articles about MS and Windows Activation. they bring out all the real paranoiacs on /.
Of course it doesn't. What an absurdity. The more money kept out of the hands of government thieves, the better. I can't condone their awful software, nor, what's far worse, their use of violent force (through support of governments) to attack, imprison, and fine innocent (of any real crime) copiers and users of software, but I wholeheartedly commend their efforts to keep some of their own money out of the hands of evil thieves.
You're misusing the Broken Window Fallacy. The fallacy only applies when there is an actual breach of rights or damage to property involved. In this case, there is no breach of Microsoft's property.
---In this case, there is no breach of Microsoft's property.
But there is to the customers.
Normal sales transactions include paying for an object. Money and object are transfered at sale, in which ownership is transfered.
With software, that is not so. They claim some additional title after the fact by reason of DRM, or remote orders, or by tattle-taling on you. Tell the people who got their machine disabled by Microsoft because of some anti-pirate code and tell me that blackmailing their data isnt a form of Broken Window.
I would claim that the Broken Window Fallacy is true for the users: they are the ones who are punished and have gained something "broken" and must fix.
I've had plenty of hardware changes that have upset both Windows and Office. You just ring the toll free number and you are sorted out immediately. Certainly with a lot less fuss than downloading a pirate copy of Windows. MS are pretty damn lenient on authorization.
What really gets up my nose is computers being supplied with copies of Windows pre-installed and NO supplied disks. If you have to rebuild one of these I'm yet to find a legal disk which will accept the OEM product number from the sticker. This is a real pain it arse for the support community.
The identifying information in question is the license key. The issue is, WGA, to function, only has to know whether your version of Windows is counterfeit. The actual key used being passed back is an unnecessary level of identification. It may not be a personal identification, but my understanding is that WGA wasn't supposed to record *any* identification because it's quite possible to use just about any identification to establish personal identification on at least someone with enough effort.
No. They are suggesting that if Microsoft lies to a group of people for their own financial gain (how many people would have bought XP knowing WGA does what it does?), they should suffer the consequences. Microsoft isn't above the law. The legitimacy of their court case does not negate their unlawful behavior nor nullify the right of others to seek redress. Certainly, people need to be informed about the issues to act.
Ireland is one of the wealthiest nations on Earth! If you believe this crap, then by all means, check my eBay listings. I have some fabulous landmarks that I picked up on the cheap in the down-turned economy that will fetch you a handsome profit if you take them off my hands...
The main reason that a lot of countries are upset over Ireland is because of the fact that they are one of the most capitalistic countries in the West, and have grown very rich and successful by being a tax haven and business mecca for Europe. Consequently, they have, for their size, a very large and robust economy and have to fight off immigrants with a stick. If I were to expatriate, Ireland would be at the top of my list of countries because of all of the job opportunities that exist there compared to most of Europe.
I left windows and my crappy job. Granted I'm not working in IT anymore but all of a sudden everyone wants me because I know Linux. It's still the same wishy-washy "You must know red-hat and sybase" crap so I just stay away. The toughest part is working at a company and saying "No thanks, I'll use my own computer" or "Hey the microsoft DHCP server is down again" or "Hey the network is down because the windows boxes are infected with viruses and opening thousands of ports which overloads the $20 dsl router". And then the blubbering windows "computer expert" finds some retarded excuse like "the network is down because you connected using Linux".
Robbery is taking things from people under the threat of harm period. It doesn't matter if the robber returns some money taken from me in the form of some service that "we" (that means "you and the like-minded people") take for granted, but that _I_ didn't request at all or at least from this provider, at this moment, at this price and quality and in this scope.
People chipping in together is a perfectly good way to achieve common goals - but only when the financing is voluntary and the goal is shared by every person in the group. Otherwise it is a glorified robbery.
The entire paragraph you've somehow misidentified as an "introduction" is only a paraphrase or another article that the writer is responding to. The author only partially endorses the opinions of this other article, and actually goes so far as to parenthetically make points you'd probably agree with.
...but my only concern is this: using violence to drag a human being into a rape hole, for duplicating a few bits and bytes, is immoral.
And we are all the poorer for living in a society so corrupt that this is regarded as not just legal, not just condoned by us, but also the blessed course of action.
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And quite a few assholes, too, apparently.
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Go slit your fucking wrists fucktard.
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