Actually, they used VxWorks because it was the same OS used for the lander on the Mars Pathfinder mission. Since they were using the same CPU and same basic computer design as the Mars Pathfinder lander, they probably figured, "Why not use the same OS?"
Actually they use VxWorks because WindRiver gives JPL major discounts...
Also, Rogers AT&T Wireless in Canada is in the process of eliminating "AT&T" from its name.
Oh shit, first Microsoft trademarks a common word like Windows and now AT&T is going to have a service simply called wireless? What is this world coming too.
But there is another type of user friendliness that you're missing. It's that initial learning period when the user hasn't been trained with something. This is why the desktop metaphor came into being in the first place - a desktop is a known entity for most people and so translating that behavior to the behavior of a computer should be simple for a person.
Linux has a desktop metaphor as well. It works great and most users can do everything they want. They can't just go ahead and install things without some knowledge, but they can do the usual Check e-mail, write documents, surf the web and play solitaire in almost the same way. This is what the poster was trying to say, I believe. The happiness of installing all that crap on their machines without needing too much knowledge.
Windows however is the desktop that doesn't stay consistent over time. First 'My Computer' was on the Desktop on top of the 'My Documents', then it was under 'My Documents' and now it's gone from the desktop and on the 'Start Button'.
I work for a Fortune 500 Tech company, and more users get screwed up dealing with those little intricacies where they think things are the same but just prettier than they do when we switch them over to Linux and they expect things to be a different.
We are still using Office 97 on many desktop's because users won't let us change them to Office 2000 or XP which looks and acts totally different in their minds. People can cope with complete change a hell of a lot faster than they can going from one Microsoft version to the next, in my observations.
I've even noticed this in myself. When I first learned how to drive, I learned stick and I could drive my 72 Mach 1 just fine. But when I tried to drive a stick Toyota, I would usually have problems getting out of first gear right off the bat. Switching to Automatic was not a problem at all.
"Do I really have to install the same FUCKING driver for each FUCKING USB port? Don't believe me? Try any web cam."
Tried and it's not working the way you describe. I can use any of my USB ports and the behavior is always the same - no need for driver instllation. This is with a Windows XP Pro machine.
Really? Only thing that ever works on any USB port is the USB Mass Storage. On any machine whenever I wanted to use a Web cam or any device that needed drivers not built into Windows XP I always had to reinstall for every little thing.
This is not elitism at all, but if you are going to use a computer you have to adapt to it. It will not adapt to you. Read further and you will see what I mean.
Now Windows approach to installing may be easier, but the Linux way is a whole lot safer. Having executable installers means that you can get a virus by double clicking. It also means that there isn't a uniform way to install stuff. On Linux it's just yum install blah. Windows is always a different look and feel.
The biggest problem facing Linux today is in how we define user friendly-ness. We all use Windows, and no matter how fucked up or complicated it is, that's user friendly, until the point in time that we all use something else. The phone, 11 digits for each person in the US, not very friendly but everyone can use it. Why? Cuz everyone uses it.
I remember reading articles about how Windows should have a second fork so that files know what program created it, automate floppy detection and a shitload of other things that were from the Mac in the days of Windows 3.1. That was user friendly then. Mac was user friendly, Windows was not.
Things change, users adapt. Windows is NOT user friendly. Linux is not user friendly either, but it is getting there. Already it handles my devices a hell of a lot better than Windows.
If insert my Wireless card in the top slot or the bottom, it just works. In Windows I'd have to install the driver on each slot. Not so bad when you think about it, there are only two slots, but the same thing happens in USB ports and I have a USB hub. Do I really have to install the same FUCKING driver for each FUCKING USB port? Don't believe me? Try any web cam.
Well, if this tidbit turns out to be true I'd wager that Microsoft would license their codebase and try to get something for stuff that people can download off the internet. At least it's another source of income. It's hard to continue the flow of income when you hit critical mass with all your major apps (Windows, Office). There really is no where to go but down.
Dishonest? I don't think so. I purchased the right to view this movie at home, at least that is what the FBI warnings say in the beginning of the movie. What difference does it make whether I view it on a DVD LD Rip I downloaded or the original VHS? I purchased this right from the copyright holder.
1. Researchers at eEye discovered the problems last July and agreed to keep quiet about them until Microsoft could fix them
Just because eEye found it and reported it to Microsoft doesn't mean they were the only ones that found it.
Isn't it feasible, albeit a bit too long, that they actually took the time to correct the issue? Rather than throwing a 'fix' together to appease the shareholders, one might think the amount of time taken increases the chances that they did it right.
It may be feasible, however remember that there are others that may have found this. Time is working against them. There may be temporary ways to deal with the situation until a bug can be found. Perhaps a workaround, until the time being.
If there is a bug with product Y, maybe I don't need to use that specific product on this OS until it's fixed. Also, with pressure from users, they'd probably had fixed it sooner had it been publicly disclosed. Without knowing of even potential flaws, I can get cracked, rebuild and get cracked again for six months until I find out that Microsoft knew of this bug and never told anyone.
1) Go to eDonkey2000.com, get Overnet or eDonkey client 2) Go to http://forum.sharereactor.com and click on Search. Type Star Wars LD Rip 3) Queue all the files you want 4) Go to friend with DVD Burner, bring blanks and burn
Now I don't condone piracy, but since I own the originals on VHS I consider this fair use in action! Yeah Baby!!!
Linux does not treat USB as a SCSI disk, usb is a SCSI disk.
Mine is a 40 GB Laptop IDE disk in a USB Enclosure. I realize the enclosure communicates with my system using the SCSI protocol. Although for all practical purposes you are right....
1) I apologize for the being unemployed crap. I was there too, for a very long time. Sorry. 2) We weren't talking about Windows booting off of a USB, we were originally talking about Linux. I have had no issues booting either off of my USB hard drive.
Linux treats the USB drive as a scsi drive. This mean's that you use the initrd to boot and it will then remount after the kernel takes over from the bios. No additional work should be nessecary.
Microsoft also is installed on my USB hard drive, I'm not entirely sure how that works but I can only assume that it treat's the hard drive in a similar capacity. Making all this discussion a moot point.
When the BIOS supports USB Mass Storage Booting, it is seen as a legacy device (hard drive), much like the El Torito standard allows emulation of a floppy drive on the cd.
DOS predates USB, but DOS can be booted off of a USB Key.
This is why I had no problems flaming you, you didn't know what was involved yet was volunteering to do it.
However, since I'm unemployed I'll do the work of making open source tools work (Microsoft has to support booting from usb before I will guarantee it will work) if you give me a working computer that can boot from USB (mine won't, too old), and a USB key to boot from.
I can see why you're unemployed. Repeat after me, Microsoft is not a BIOS manufacturer...
This is only the case on routers that sell well. Those assholes still haven't released an update for the router I bought, at the time for a premium because it does 802.11a.
My router, WRT51AB, doesn't support WPA, doesn't have the ability to disable SSID broadcasting, and has to be unplugged weekly or else it forgets how to renew an IP via dhcp.
Incidently, this device is a lot different than most of the WAP's from Linksys I have seen.
Starting nmap 3.48 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2004-02-04 20:09 PST Interesting ports on 192.168.1.1: (The 1656 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) PORT STATE SERVICE 80/tcp open http Device type: WAP Running: Apple embedded OS details: Apple Airport Extreme Base Station (WAP) Uptime 0.979 days (since Tue Feb 3 20:40:16 2004)
In any event With the sterling work that Pamela Jones has done on Groklaw in the matter I'm sure she could now walk into any law firm in the US and say "Hi, I run Groklaw. Can I have a job?" and not have her feet touch the floor until she signs on the bottom line.
Jesus that woman not only runs Groklaw, researches the hell out of issues concerning us geeks....but she can levitate too. That's COOL!
In the defense of Microsoft, Spyglass handled everything very stupidly. Instead of licensing their browser technology to Microsoft for a price, they got greedy and wanted a cut of each sale of IE.
Unfortunately for Spyglass, Microsoft gave away IE for free. Any percentage of 0 is still 0. Spyglass however should have come back and sued the pants off of Microsoft for a percent of each copy of Windows when Microsoft told the DOJ that separating IE from Windows was impossible because Windows is IE and IE is Windows...
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I just knew some dickhead was going to claim that.
Face it, there are more NetBSD on toaster ovens connected to the internet than Plan9 machines.
I am not being a dickhead, just stating that Plan9 is not a very likely OS to be connected to the internet.
And thanks, correlation i sthe correct word.
Actually, they used VxWorks because it was the same OS used for the lander on the Mars Pathfinder mission. Since they were using the same CPU and same basic computer design as the Mars Pathfinder lander, they probably figured, "Why not use the same OS?"
Actually they use VxWorks because WindRiver gives JPL major discounts...
The number of successful break-ins to plan9 systems was zero
Wow, amazing... that's also the # of installed systems connected to the internet...
I wonder if there is a cause and effect relationship between the two
They'll get there day in court too, SCO said that they'd be going after BSD next!
In all seriousness, SCO will probably die a swift death in the coming weeks.
Also, Rogers AT&T Wireless in Canada is in the process of eliminating "AT&T" from its name.
Oh shit, first Microsoft trademarks a common word like Windows and now AT&T is going to have a service simply called wireless? What is this world coming too.
I got a better one, how about OpenWindows...doh
But there is another type of user friendliness that you're missing. It's that initial learning period when the user hasn't been trained with something. This is why the desktop metaphor came into being in the first place - a desktop is a known entity for most people and so translating that behavior to the behavior of a computer should be simple for a person.
Linux has a desktop metaphor as well. It works great and most users can do everything they want. They can't just go ahead and install things without some knowledge, but they can do the usual Check e-mail, write documents, surf the web and play solitaire in almost the same way. This is what the poster was trying to say, I believe. The happiness of installing all that crap on their machines without needing too much knowledge.
Windows however is the desktop that doesn't stay consistent over time. First 'My Computer' was on the Desktop on top of the 'My Documents', then it was under 'My Documents' and now it's gone from the desktop and on the 'Start Button'.
I work for a Fortune 500 Tech company, and more users get screwed up dealing with those little intricacies where they think things are the same but just prettier than they do when we switch them over to Linux and they expect things to be a different.
We are still using Office 97 on many desktop's because users won't let us change them to Office 2000 or XP which looks and acts totally different in their minds. People can cope with complete change a hell of a lot faster than they can going from one Microsoft version to the next, in my observations.
I've even noticed this in myself. When I first learned how to drive, I learned stick and I could drive my 72 Mach 1 just fine. But when I tried to drive a stick Toyota, I would usually have problems getting out of first gear right off the bat. Switching to Automatic was not a problem at all.
"Do I really have to install the same FUCKING driver for each FUCKING USB port? Don't believe me? Try any web cam."
Tried and it's not working the way you describe. I can use any of my USB ports and the behavior is always the same - no need for driver instllation. This is with a Windows XP Pro machine.
Really? Only thing that ever works on any USB port is the USB Mass Storage. On any machine whenever I wanted to use a Web cam or any device that needed drivers not built into Windows XP I always had to reinstall for every little thing.
This is not elitism at all, but if you are going to use a computer you have to adapt to it. It will not adapt to you. Read further and you will see what I mean.
Now Windows approach to installing may be easier, but the Linux way is a whole lot safer. Having executable installers means that you can get a virus by double clicking. It also means that there isn't a uniform way to install stuff. On Linux it's just yum install blah. Windows is always a different look and feel.
The biggest problem facing Linux today is in how we define user friendly-ness. We all use Windows, and no matter how fucked up or complicated it is, that's user friendly, until the point in time that we all use something else. The phone, 11 digits for each person in the US, not very friendly but everyone can use it. Why? Cuz everyone uses it.
I remember reading articles about how Windows should have a second fork so that files know what program created it, automate floppy detection and a shitload of other things that were from the Mac in the days of Windows 3.1. That was user friendly then. Mac was user friendly, Windows was not.
Things change, users adapt. Windows is NOT user friendly. Linux is not user friendly either, but it is getting there. Already it handles my devices a hell of a lot better than Windows.
If insert my Wireless card in the top slot or the bottom, it just works. In Windows I'd have to install the driver on each slot. Not so bad when you think about it, there are only two slots, but the same thing happens in USB ports and I have a USB hub. Do I really have to install the same FUCKING driver for each FUCKING USB port? Don't believe me? Try any web cam.
Well, if this tidbit turns out to be true I'd wager that Microsoft would license their codebase and try to get something for stuff that people can download off the internet. At least it's another source of income. It's hard to continue the flow of income when you hit critical mass with all your major apps (Windows, Office). There really is no where to go but down.
Dishonest? I don't think so. I purchased the right to view this movie at home, at least that is what the FBI warnings say in the beginning of the movie. What difference does it make whether I view it on a DVD LD Rip I downloaded or the original VHS? I purchased this right from the copyright holder.
1. Researchers at eEye discovered the problems last July and agreed to keep quiet about them until Microsoft could fix them
Just because eEye found it and reported it to Microsoft doesn't mean they were the only ones that found it.
Isn't it feasible, albeit a bit too long, that they actually took the time to correct the issue? Rather than throwing a 'fix' together to appease the shareholders, one might think the amount of time taken increases the chances that they did it right.
It may be feasible, however remember that there are others that may have found this. Time is working against them. There may be temporary ways to deal with the situation until a bug can be found. Perhaps a workaround, until the time being.
If there is a bug with product Y, maybe I don't need to use that specific product on this OS until it's fixed. Also, with pressure from users, they'd probably had fixed it sooner had it been publicly disclosed. Without knowing of even potential flaws, I can get cracked, rebuild and get cracked again for six months until I find out that Microsoft knew of this bug and never told anyone.
Here's how you do it yourself:
1) Go to eDonkey2000.com, get Overnet or eDonkey client
2) Go to http://forum.sharereactor.com and click on Search. Type Star Wars LD Rip
3) Queue all the files you want
4) Go to friend with DVD Burner, bring blanks and burn
Now I don't condone piracy, but since I own the originals on VHS I consider this fair use in action! Yeah Baby!!!
Linux does not treat USB as a SCSI disk, usb is a SCSI disk.
Mine is a 40 GB Laptop IDE disk in a USB Enclosure. I realize the enclosure communicates with my system using the SCSI protocol. Although for all practical purposes you are right....
Two things I would like to point out.
1) I apologize for the being unemployed crap. I was there too, for a very long time. Sorry.
2) We weren't talking about Windows booting off of a USB, we were originally talking about Linux. I have had no issues booting either off of my USB hard drive.
Linux treats the USB drive as a scsi drive. This mean's that you use the initrd to boot and it will then remount after the kernel takes over from the bios. No additional work should be nessecary.
Microsoft also is installed on my USB hard drive, I'm not entirely sure how that works but I can only assume that it treat's the hard drive in a similar capacity. Making all this discussion a moot point.
Ok, let me spell this out to you.
When the BIOS supports USB Mass Storage Booting, it is seen as a legacy device (hard drive), much like the El Torito standard allows emulation of a floppy drive on the cd.
DOS predates USB, but DOS can be booted off of a USB Key.
This is why I had no problems flaming you, you didn't know what was involved yet was volunteering to do it.
However, since I'm unemployed I'll do the work of making open source tools work (Microsoft has to support booting from usb before I will guarantee it will work) if you give me a working computer that can boot from USB (mine won't, too old), and a USB key to boot from.
I can see why you're unemployed. Repeat after me, Microsoft is not a BIOS manufacturer...
Any job that requires 5-10 years in Win2K (read: Windows 2000) in 2004 has incompetent HR staff.
I fail to see where in my post I stated that FreeBSD isn't secure...
This is only the case on routers that sell well. Those assholes still haven't released an update for the router I bought, at the time for a premium because it does 802.11a.
My router, WRT51AB, doesn't support WPA, doesn't have the ability to disable SSID broadcasting, and has to be unplugged weekly or else it forgets how to renew an IP via dhcp.
Incidently, this device is a lot different than most of the WAP's from Linksys I have seen.
Starting nmap 3.48 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2004-02-04 20:09 PST
Interesting ports on 192.168.1.1:
(The 1656 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
PORT STATE SERVICE
80/tcp open http
Device type: WAP
Running: Apple embedded
OS details: Apple Airport Extreme Base Station (WAP)
Uptime 0.979 days (since Tue Feb 3 20:40:16 2004)
How can Microsoft expect to keep up?
Especially since they run FreeBSD.
Actually Google runs on Linux. This is totally wrong place to put a FreeBSD is dying post...
Next time someone posts something about Yahoo! or... well, no one but Yahoo! really uses FreeBSD anymore...
You forgot
4. Sue Microsoft for taking all your customers
5. ???
6. Profit
In any event With the sterling work that Pamela Jones has done on Groklaw in the matter I'm sure she could now walk into any law firm in the US and say "Hi, I run Groklaw. Can I have a job?" and not have her feet touch the floor until she signs on the bottom line.
Jesus that woman not only runs Groklaw, researches the hell out of issues concerning us geeks....but she can levitate too. That's COOL!
In the defense of Microsoft, Spyglass handled everything very stupidly. Instead of licensing their browser technology to Microsoft for a price, they got greedy and wanted a cut of each sale of IE.
Unfortunately for Spyglass, Microsoft gave away IE for free. Any percentage of 0 is still 0. Spyglass however should have come back and sued the pants off of Microsoft for a percent of each copy of Windows when Microsoft told the DOJ that separating IE from Windows was impossible because Windows is IE and IE is Windows...
You must have had some really Piece of Shit hardware. I had no issues with my P100 and it ran Windows NT 4, Windows 95, 98, Linux and FreeBSD.
It ran very decent, all things considered, especially with my Voodoo!