I don't want to pick a bandwagon (though I will say that I'm very happy with my current provider, and I'd have to pay AT&T twice as much for the same service), but I don't think I have to to make my point. I'll just say that all these unlockers are bringing their phone somewhere, and wherever it is, it is perceived by them to be better than AT&T.
You're right. The bar is low. That just means AT&T has no excuse for not having the best price+service combination on the market.
I don't think the original commenter meant they should take note by structuring their contracts accordingly; I think he meant that they should take not by making their service suck less.
It seems like a pretty crappy strategy considering the following two things:
- Sony did this with the PS2, and nobody bought them. It was a total flop. - With HD encryption/DRM, they have two crappy choices. Put CableCARD slots on the device, or allow recording of OTA content only.
Expect these to sell as well as UltimateTV, or those Linksys boxes, or MediaCenter PCs. Hell, even if these sell 10x better than all three of those things, they'll still be an utter failure.
I don't think the repositories would get slammed.... For the reason I mentioned: Most people don't use most of the packages, so when you do a net install you download significantly less data.
1MB/second is nothing. I get 2.5MBytes/sec from the mirror I use on a regular basis.
The tickets *are* set at market prices. There is a select group of people who are willing to pay extreme prices for a regular season football game, and if they increased the price of tickets to what they went for on StubHub (many of those tickets never sell, BTW) they probably wouldn't sell out the event. There is a fine line between "more people want tickets than we have seats", and "we only sold half the venue". That makes a market for scalping a small percentage of the overall number of tickets.
Don't think for a second that the Patriots wouldn't charge more for their tickets if they thought they could. This isn't about keeping ticket prices low. It's about making sure they make all the profit, and not somebody else.
Incidentally, they sell many of their tickets at above market rate, which does cause an uproar, and many of the seats go unfilled.... More specifically, I'm talking about pre-season games, which they price the same as regular season games, and they force upon season ticket holders. Many of those season ticket holders resell their pre-season tickets at a loss. Seats that aren't sold to season tickets holders stay empty for the game.
Closed ports block incoming connections, but outgoing connections are unaffected.
Technically we are both correct on this point. You are merely specifying the mechanism, while I was specifying the result.
And yes, BitTorrent is designed to favor those who share more over people who are leeching, so those who don't upload are inherently throttled down.
This is not correct.
The bittorrent protocol includes information that allows the clients to attempt to throttle people who don't upload, but nothing about the protocol requires throttling, or inherently favors people who upload over those who don't. Blizzard almost certainly isn't using this capability in their bittorrent based patch downloader. It wouldn't be in their best interests.
For the average user, the ports are open automatically by UPnP, which they didn't disable right after they didn't enable WPA.
Regardless, the closed ports prevent the sending of data, not the receiving. Unless they are using throttling on users who aren't uploading the downloads should proceed just as quickly with the ports closed as open.
I know that people are always bitching about how long (45 minutes+ for some people I know) it took them to download a patch... While at the same time I've been able to download patches over my non-Comcast connection at over 2MBytes/second... I don't know that all of those people have comcast, but I know that some of them do.
The game isn't over yet, and the PS3 isn't all that far behind the 360...
If this generation should tell Microsoft anything, it should be that beating the PS3 with the 360 doesn't guarantee them beating the PS4 with the Xbox3.
My prediction for the next generation? We won't know who's going to win it until at least 18 months after the last gen-8 console is released. Hell, we're not even going to know who wins *this* generation until well into 2008. Can Nintendo hold on as the leader when HDTV adoption increases over the lifespan of this console generation? Will the PS3 stay at the back of the line when some good games come out? Can Microsoft hold on to second place if they only have strong sales in one region?
A new generation is a clean slate. A successful previous-generation machine means almost nothing. Sony had two winners in a row because they were both the best system+games combination in the market; not because the PS1 won market share in advance for the PS2. This generation's winner will be chosen the same way, as will the next. If Microsoft has the best selling box this generation, and that makes them think - even for a second - that it means they're assured the lead for the following generation too, Sony, Nintendo, and maybe some other company we haven't heard of yet will eat their lunch next time around.
I bought an HDTV... They didn't have the HD-Tivo anymore when I did.
Just over this past few weeks they enabled their new HD stations that only work with their "plus" DVR, so even if I had gotten an HD-Tivo from them I'd still have had to switch now...
I went Fios. If you live in an area where Fios is available, it's the best. Price, quality, selection, ablity to use whatever CableCARD device you want, internet service... I hate giving money to Verizon, but they earned it with Fios...
We cant just put that much effort on our spare time into things that can be sent to hell by microsoft in a given point in time.
Many (most?) commercial open source products don't have many community contributors at all. Sure, some do, but Microsoft could easily target the ones that are developed mostly internally for their buyouts.
For example, we've got a 30+ mile per hour windstorm going. My cable's still on. Don't know how a dish would be faring. But that doesn't mean I'm happy with Comcast.
You're lucky. When I had comcast, a light breeze... moderate rain storm... Just about anything, and the cable and internet service would.. Well, it wouldn't go out. It would just get really unreliable.
I had satellite TV for 5 years though, and the only times it was out were when the dish got buried in snow more than half way.
I still ditched that service too though, since DirecTV got rid of TiVo. You just can't win...
They use 2.5" drives, so you can't really get 500GB for $100... 40GB per head/platter-side is still the knee in the price curve on 2.5" drives.... A recent change from 30GB (Hence the move from the 60GB PS3 to the 80GB model).
Regardless, user-upgrade of the hard drive in the PS3 is an officially supported process. If you want bigger, you can have it.
Cue the scores of posters from previous threads who claimed that Sony wasn't planning a drop on the 80GB PS3 when the 60GB models ran out flooding this story with admissions that they were wrong...
How about a plain vanilla, 77 kW VW Golf TDI ? Hardly a "performance car", I hope you'll agree with that. Well, it brakes from 100 km/h to zero in about 38 meters. That's still a deceleration of slightly above 1g.
Interesting that you'd pick the TDI instead of the base...
1g of deceleration capability is much higher than the average stock sedan is capable of. (Really. Look it up.)
When they design speed limits for roads, the number they typically use to approximate the average vehicle to determine the maximum safe speed limit is 11.2ft/sec/sec. Or just over.3g.
I think you could get a 33% improvement over that TDI's stock braking ability for less than $2000 with performance pads, stock rotors, and wider, Z-rated tires. That would put you a quadruple the braking ability they assume your vehicle is capable of when they picked the speed limit.
You may not realize it, but you are now officially a troll.
I don't see how taking what I said and repeating it with more words, and a call of "BS" in any way refutes what I said.
I explicitly left performance cars out of my generalization. Did you even read the whole comment before you responded, or did you take that quote out of context on purpose? Did you miss the part where I talked about tires?
I will now be directing my attention to other threads, populated by more rational people.
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I don't want to pick a bandwagon (though I will say that I'm very happy with my current provider, and I'd have to pay AT&T twice as much for the same service), but I don't think I have to to make my point. I'll just say that all these unlockers are bringing their phone somewhere, and wherever it is, it is perceived by them to be better than AT&T.
You're right. The bar is low. That just means AT&T has no excuse for not having the best price+service combination on the market.
I don't think the original commenter meant they should take note by structuring their contracts accordingly; I think he meant that they should take not by making their service suck less.
At least you get over the "gut-wrenching bloody diarrhea" after a couple of days (most people do, anyway).
With Windows, however, it's there waiting to abuse you some more like some bad Bill Murray movie.
It seems like a pretty crappy strategy considering the following two things:
- Sony did this with the PS2, and nobody bought them. It was a total flop.
- With HD encryption/DRM, they have two crappy choices. Put CableCARD slots on the device, or allow recording of OTA content only.
Expect these to sell as well as UltimateTV, or those Linksys boxes, or MediaCenter PCs. Hell, even if these sell 10x better than all three of those things, they'll still be an utter failure.
Here's an interesting thought:
I have a business Fios line. Static IPs, no PPPoE...
Perhaps they treat their residential customer's traffic differently?
Yes, using the built-in downloader.
There hasn't been a Tuesday yet where I haven't been able to saturate my 20mbit link downloading a WoW patch.
I don't think the repositories would get slammed.... For the reason I mentioned: Most people don't use most of the packages, so when you do a net install you download significantly less data.
1MB/second is nothing. I get 2.5MBytes/sec from the mirror I use on a regular basis.
The tickets *are* set at market prices. There is a select group of people who are willing to pay extreme prices for a regular season football game, and if they increased the price of tickets to what they went for on StubHub (many of those tickets never sell, BTW) they probably wouldn't sell out the event. There is a fine line between "more people want tickets than we have seats", and "we only sold half the venue". That makes a market for scalping a small percentage of the overall number of tickets.
Don't think for a second that the Patriots wouldn't charge more for their tickets if they thought they could. This isn't about keeping ticket prices low. It's about making sure they make all the profit, and not somebody else.
Incidentally, they sell many of their tickets at above market rate, which does cause an uproar, and many of the seats go unfilled.... More specifically, I'm talking about pre-season games, which they price the same as regular season games, and they force upon season ticket holders. Many of those season ticket holders resell their pre-season tickets at a loss. Seats that aren't sold to season tickets holders stay empty for the game.
Technically we are both correct on this point. You are merely specifying the mechanism, while I was specifying the result.
This is not correct.
The bittorrent protocol includes information that allows the clients to attempt to throttle people who don't upload, but nothing about the protocol requires throttling, or inherently favors people who upload over those who don't. Blizzard almost certainly isn't using this capability in their bittorrent based patch downloader. It wouldn't be in their best interests.
Yeah, but my point was that you shouldn't need full CD images to do a fresh install... The network installer works so well...
Heh... Ooops.. That should have said the impacts... Oh well.
Windows.
The impact of this marketing change on the future of technology journalism are profound.
Seriously, why would anybody download CD images of a Debian based distribution anymore?
The Ubuntu guys shouldn't release CD images of a new version until after it's been available through the package repositories for a month...
90% of the users will likely never use 90% of the packages in the distribution, so why waste all that bandwidth downloading them all in iso form?
For the average user, the ports are open automatically by UPnP, which they didn't disable right after they didn't enable WPA.
Regardless, the closed ports prevent the sending of data, not the receiving. Unless they are using throttling on users who aren't uploading the downloads should proceed just as quickly with the ports closed as open.
I know that people are always bitching about how long (45 minutes+ for some people I know) it took them to download a patch... While at the same time I've been able to download patches over my non-Comcast connection at over 2MBytes/second... I don't know that all of those people have comcast, but I know that some of them do.
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The game isn't over yet, and the PS3 isn't all that far behind the 360...
If this generation should tell Microsoft anything, it should be that beating the PS3 with the 360 doesn't guarantee them beating the PS4 with the Xbox3.
My prediction for the next generation? We won't know who's going to win it until at least 18 months after the last gen-8 console is released. Hell, we're not even going to know who wins *this* generation until well into 2008. Can Nintendo hold on as the leader when HDTV adoption increases over the lifespan of this console generation? Will the PS3 stay at the back of the line when some good games come out? Can Microsoft hold on to second place if they only have strong sales in one region?
A new generation is a clean slate. A successful previous-generation machine means almost nothing. Sony had two winners in a row because they were both the best system+games combination in the market; not because the PS1 won market share in advance for the PS2. This generation's winner will be chosen the same way, as will the next. If Microsoft has the best selling box this generation, and that makes them think - even for a second - that it means they're assured the lead for the following generation too, Sony, Nintendo, and maybe some other company we haven't heard of yet will eat their lunch next time around.
I bought an HDTV... They didn't have the HD-Tivo anymore when I did.
Just over this past few weeks they enabled their new HD stations that only work with their "plus" DVR, so even if I had gotten an HD-Tivo from them I'd still have had to switch now...
I went Fios. If you live in an area where Fios is available, it's the best. Price, quality, selection, ablity to use whatever CableCARD device you want, internet service... I hate giving money to Verizon, but they earned it with Fios...
Many (most?) commercial open source products don't have many community contributors at all. Sure, some do, but Microsoft could easily target the ones that are developed mostly internally for their buyouts.
You're lucky. When I had comcast, a light breeze... moderate rain storm... Just about anything, and the cable and internet service would.. Well, it wouldn't go out. It would just get really unreliable.
I had satellite TV for 5 years though, and the only times it was out were when the dish got buried in snow more than half way.
I still ditched that service too though, since DirecTV got rid of TiVo. You just can't win...
I'm guessing they're pretty rare at this point.
All the stores around here that' I've seen only have 80GB bundle packs right now.
I'm sure you can still find a few if you try, but they'll be gone soon.
They use 2.5" drives, so you can't really get 500GB for $100... 40GB per head/platter-side is still the knee in the price curve on 2.5" drives.... A recent change from 30GB (Hence the move from the 60GB PS3 to the 80GB model).
Regardless, user-upgrade of the hard drive in the PS3 is an officially supported process. If you want bigger, you can have it.
Cue the scores of posters from previous threads who claimed that Sony wasn't planning a drop on the 80GB PS3 when the 60GB models ran out flooding this story with admissions that they were wrong...
Interesting that you'd pick the TDI instead of the base...
1g of deceleration capability is much higher than the average stock sedan is capable of. (Really. Look it up.)
When they design speed limits for roads, the number they typically use to approximate the average vehicle to determine the maximum safe speed limit is 11.2ft/sec/sec. Or just over
I think you could get a 33% improvement over that TDI's stock braking ability for less than $2000 with performance pads, stock rotors, and wider, Z-rated tires. That would put you a quadruple the braking ability they assume your vehicle is capable of when they picked the speed limit.
You may not realize it, but you are now officially a troll.
I don't see how taking what I said and repeating it with more words, and a call of "BS" in any way refutes what I said.
I explicitly left performance cars out of my generalization. Did you even read the whole comment before you responded, or did you take that quote out of context on purpose? Did you miss the part where I talked about tires?
I will now be directing my attention to other threads, populated by more rational people.