It's rather simple. If you have a product that you own, then you get most of the money. If it is a free product, then servicing the product is how you make money. That would require many people to service the product. You have to pay people: it's called wealth distribution. And anyone can become an independ service provider. So the few wealthy people at the top can't control the revenues. They can't just fire someone who has an opinion. They have to treat people decent or the people leave and start their own service company. Which is easy to do if the product is free!
BTW, that is the original intention of Richard Stallman (Mr. GNU himself).
Wealth should not be concentrated to a few people at the top. I believe in capitalism. It should be heavily regulated, otherwise only unethical people gain wealth. Which is the current state of affairs in the world today. Look at Microsoft. They may have produced the more millionaire employees than any company in history, but the wealth is still to concentrated into a small group.
First, if you are going to reply to me, don't be an Anonymous Coward, coward.
Second, I left out the fact that this was in reference to testing ten years ago, and at that time we didn't have all the options in TCP/IP that we have today.
Third, you are rude. I didn't call you a troll. Maybe an individual lacking social skills, but what do you expect from a coward.
Fourth, Yes you are right there isn't any "error correction" code in TCP. However, it detects and then requests a retransmit of the failed datagrams. End result: a corrected datagram. Semantics, coward.
Fifth, OSI is a protocol standard, not an implmentation. My references were to the actual implmentation which must conform to the interfaces: message structure, and message flow.
Sixth, I helped administer one of the main Internet nodes ("killer" node direct connection to "ihnp4" node) in Dallas, Texas in the early 1980's using Telebit modems, and got to known TCP rather well. Hell, the FBI even raided us for being nice guys. Because of that experience I still have bad dreams.
Just like Betamax was a better standard than VHS, OSI is better than TCP/IP.
TCP/IP was only meant for dial-up modems. I've been using it since the Internet was called DARPA-Net, and it was great back then when error correcting was needed in layer three.
The TCP layer always had error-correcting code in it, and re-transmits, etc. When reliable network media showed up, the error-correcting code wasn't needed, although it didn't hurt to much at 10Mb/sec. Once 100Mb/sec showed up, the media was faster than the protocol. I couldn't get more than 9.6Mb/sec of 100Mb/sec link using TCP. I tested with an OSI stack and achieved 67Mb/sec of 100Mb/sec link. Everyone said that OSI was to fat and too much overhead, what a load of BS!
The OSI stack is still better than TCP/IP! They've tried to fix TCP/IP for years by extending it and now it is a real mess and insecure. OSI was well thought out and designed. FTAM has record level file access for goodness sakes! Pissed me off then, still does today.
I thought one of the major points of XML was to keep it ASCII so that it is platform neutral? If you go to binary, then you have to perform byte reversal of the binary XML message if different types of CPU's are involved. We would be right back where we were.
I know the other args: common format, blah, blah. However XML, as Microsoft has proved, can be made very proprietary in the blink of an eye.
I thought about this when XML was first gathering steam. Like everything else it's all about marketing and not about thinking.
No. This is much bigger than SlashDot. The Apple store server grid is more than big enough to handle slashdotting. This is the greatest showman since P.T. Barnum flexing his marketing muscle worldwide.
I don't understand something. Educated people in other less developed countries SEEM to want to move to one of several countries to work (in my perceived ranking):
1. United States 2. Canada 3. UK 4. Germany 5. France 6. Other European countries... 7. New Zealand 8. Australia 9. Whomever I left out
This is my perception.
My humble question is: why don't they change their country to be like one in the list?
For instance, what prevents India from becoming a much bigger version of the USA? It seems that is what they want.
Your computer is as fast as the slowest hardware component that is used. Additionally, if the hardware component doesn't provide enough capacity, then it causes slowness.
Traditionally, the order of slowness is (slowest first): 1. Network 2. Disk 3. Main Memory 4. CPU
(I'm not counting peripherals)
CPU is last. Concentrate on more memory and really fast disk. This gives you more for your money.
Now, use (or write) really good software. That would be non-Microsoft. Put Linux on on your box and double the speed right away.
This is a public relations stunt to cause buzz about the coming new products at MacWorld. That is all. Apple leaked it on purpose for two reasons: determine public reaction to the product while they still have a chance to shelf it, and to start the drool factor.
During the Internet boom contracting was the only way to go. Bubble's burst. The money is not "crazy" unless your definition of crazy is pretty low. Beware the hidden cost of running a business. Right now getting a perm job is almost impossible. EVERYBODY tells the same story: initially contract then we'll hire. BS! It's the new staffing system. Small number of perm FTE's and then backfill with contractors. And with the number of H1-B visas out there it keeps the contract rate very low. The ITAA says we need more. What a load of crap. The companies can't find enough people they say. Reading between the lines they are saying that companies can't find enough CHEAP people. Thank you Reprobates, er. Republicans.
Keyhole is cool. I downloaded it and installed it. Great! I'm running Windblows XP and my system cratered. REBOOT on it's own. I haven't had that happen in a long time. Be careful.
You've all be so helpful. I had a feeling of dispair for awhile. I'm so tired of real crap software, and working for most corporations require that you create mediocre work.I hate that. I currently generate most of my income by working for a big corporation. That said, I also understand that if you make software "perfect" it will never be finished. Balance baby!
It is this type of addiction that companies depend on for sales. It creates hype. Many companies leak software, and then sue the places that distribute the software that they themselves leaked in an effort to get media attention. Aren't we talking about it now?
Biodiesel is great! The problem as always is the american consumer. The don't want diesel engines. Mainly because they are loud, smoky, and slow. Ah ha! Biodiesel fuel quiets down the diesel to the same as gasoline, and gets rid of the smoke. The exhaust is H2O. Although it smells like french fries, and makes me hungry. Unfortunately, it's still slow. Nature of diesel. Talk about torque though!!!
I've always assumed that those who create viruses do so just for the coolness of taking down systems. Mostly kids or young ones under the age of 25. In realizing that I have this assumption, it made me step back and now ask?
So does anyone really know why viruses are created? What is the personal motivation of the virus creator?
Because now viruses hurt real people. I think Microsoft should not be allowed to put out such junky software, regardless of the quality of the software real people are hurt.
Being a former technical software salesman myself, I've experienced and used the TCO defense as the last resort before I lost a sale. That is what Ballmer is doing here. Features and benefits aren't enough to sway the buyer into purchasing Microsoft software, so you have to resort to a different value proposition.
Features and benefits are valued more than anything else by the customer. It is the reason to even consider a purchase. This being the issue, it simply means that Ballmer realized that Linux has better and more value to the customer than Microsoft Winblows. Hence, the last justification is the TCO stand. And like political races, truth is meaningless, it's only what the voter will believe.
Analogy mode on:
If you need to move a refrigerator, then you need a good size pickup truck. A used car salesman will try to sell you a hatchback Honda and give you advice on how to turn the 'frig on it's side and shove it into the hatchback. The Honda may get great mileage and be cheaper, but it doesn't do the job. What good is it?
Analogy mode off:
In this case the TCO figures are an out and out lie.
The "independent" sources of TCO and general IT practices analysis live by the motto: "Never piss off the 800lb gorilla in your house" (Microsoft).
Linux and all Open Source groups have no fear of the 800lb gorilla.
Yes. It's personal. Steve Jobs still verbally abuses people, and "way back when", Raskin received his share of the tirads. Steve has a vision, and he will do anything to achieve it. I agree with the end results and they are impressive.
To bad Steve can't manage like John Lasseter, the heart and soul of Pixar. Lasseter is also a man with a vision, and he doesn't have to destroy people to achieve it.
The Great White shark of cool stuff is really quiet about this market. Is it possible that Sharp, Et Al, have realized that Steve simply isn't going to let the market exist that Apple created with the Newton, and have zero market share of it now.
It is only logical, from my weird view, that Apple has learned how to give good value for the money you spend on gadgets. Case in point: iPod. Expensive and totally worth it. If the average consumer sees real value for their money, then they find the money to spend. It simply has to work AND be very cool.
The iPod has 92% of the hard drive based handheld music player market, and 65% of the over all handheld music player market.
One small step for Apple, one giant leap for PDAs?
It will work ok if the last mile connection is good. The bottom line is that to handle high volume traffic the underlying protocol needs QoS intrinsic to the protocol. TCP/IP doesn't.
TCP/IP is a "best effort" protocol. As long as there is enough bandwidth, your ok most of the time. It gets expensive to have that much headroom of bandwidth. The issue is being addressed, however it still is going to be a bandage.
You couldn't have picked a worse protocol for real time traffic except maybe X.25:-)
Whoops, do I have to pay royalties on that? (Pink Floyd please forgive me). It's a small world after all, at least the corporations want it that way so they can control it. Whoops, more royalties.
Global multi-national corporations simply don't want governments to defend the people, the corporations want the governments of the world to defend the corporations. If you don't become part of the machine, then you are screwed.
It's all about power, not money. Money simply gives you power. If there was some other form of exchange then everybody would want that. Say, memory chips. Big Mac for three 256K DIPs. Then everybody would want memory chips.
1. A hacker is a good person; curious, but harmless. 2. A cracker is a bad person; curious, and dangerous. 3. Curiousity means you want to know how the damn thing works, all the way down to the hardware. 4. To get to the hardware (registers, port I/O addresses, etc) you need a programming language with instrinsic low level capabilities. 5 The most popular languages with a compiler on almost every piece of hardware is: "C", and "Forth". Of course "Forth" is usually used to bring up new hardware as a prom monitor, so it really is for the geeky (yeah, ok, me):-)=====
COBOL - Caffeine Oriented Business Object Language -> JAVA
I use "C" for fun (24 years now), I use Java for a paycheck.
I've had a TiVo from the beginning. I can't understand why it hasn't become the Microsoft of set top boxes. I've never met anyone who has TiVo that hasn't loved it. Once you get TiVo, WOW!
I can't imagine not having TiVo. It is part of my life. I set up the programs to record, and watch them when I get home. Especially some cool programs that are in the middle of the night. Pausing live TV is just...no words to describe. Instant replay that I control! I mean geez!
I only watch about six hours of TV per week, so it had better be what I want.
The box is a little slow at times because it is way underpowered CPU wise to reduce cost.
I just don't understand why everyone hasn't got a TiVo.
Maybe it's just so radical of a concept that it is beyond normal comprehension. Like when Edison's movies first came out in the early 1900's. At many showings a person had to stand up near the screen and explain what was happenning on the movie screen.
In 1988, while working for a telephone switch manufacturer we had a new programmer join our protocol group; I asked how they became interested in computers? To my chagrin, they stated that they "didn't like computers at all". I was shocked! "Why are you a programmer?", I queried. "Good money", came the answer. I sat stunned for awhile. I couldn't comprehend that answer. Frankly, it scared me.
When the first IBM 1401 came into my view in 1973, I fell deeply in love. Then 1975 brought the Altair 8800 S100 buss system. I was so thrilled to make the front panel lights blink S-O-S, from the machine code I had entered through front panel switches. Set the address, click! Set the instruction code, click! Set the data code, click! My god! What fun!
I worked with Unix, and got paid minimum wage (~$2.65/hour I think). My IBM 370 system programmer buddies just laughed at me.
I like getting paid well, and I love computers. I didn't start getting paid well, until I'd been working with computers for about ten years. "paid well", strictly depends on your viewpoint. I think getting paid $50,000/year is a pretty darn good salary these days. Some people think it's nothing.
I mean, computer programming isn't like real work. Digging a ditch is real work.;-)
Money is ok. It's the love of money, that hurts people.
Slashdot Mirror
Got Success?
Engage ego warp drive.
You Mozilla guys might as well go to work for Microsoft now and get it over with.
It's rather simple. If you have a product that you own, then you get most of the money. If it is a free product, then servicing the product is how you make money. That would require many people to service the product. You have to pay people: it's called wealth distribution. And anyone can become an independ service provider. So the few wealthy people at the top can't control the revenues. They can't just fire someone who has an opinion. They have to treat people decent or the people leave and start their own service company. Which is easy to do if the product is free!
BTW, that is the original intention of Richard Stallman (Mr. GNU himself).
Wealth should not be concentrated to a few people at the top. I believe in capitalism. It should be heavily regulated, otherwise only unethical people gain wealth. Which is the current state of affairs in the world today. Look at Microsoft. They may have produced the more millionaire employees than any company in history, but the wealth is still to concentrated into a small group.
First, if you are going to reply to me, don't be an Anonymous Coward, coward.
Second, I left out the fact that this was in reference to testing ten years ago, and at that time we didn't have all the options in TCP/IP that we have today.
Third, you are rude. I didn't call you a troll. Maybe an individual lacking social skills, but what do you expect from a coward.
Fourth, Yes you are right there isn't any "error correction" code in TCP. However, it detects and then requests a retransmit of the failed datagrams. End result: a corrected datagram. Semantics, coward.
Fifth, OSI is a protocol standard, not an implmentation. My references were to the actual implmentation which must conform to the interfaces: message structure, and message flow.
Sixth, I helped administer one of the main Internet nodes ("killer" node direct connection to "ihnp4" node) in Dallas, Texas in the early 1980's using Telebit modems, and got to known TCP rather well. Hell, the FBI even raided us for being nice guys. Because of that experience I still have bad dreams.
Seven, did I mention you are rude?
Just like Betamax was a better standard than VHS, OSI is better than TCP/IP.
TCP/IP was only meant for dial-up modems. I've been using it since the Internet was called DARPA-Net, and it was great back then when error correcting was needed in layer three.
The TCP layer always had error-correcting code in it, and re-transmits, etc. When reliable network media showed up, the error-correcting code wasn't needed, although it didn't hurt to much at 10Mb/sec. Once 100Mb/sec showed up, the media was faster than the protocol. I couldn't get more than 9.6Mb/sec of 100Mb/sec link using TCP. I tested with an OSI stack and achieved 67Mb/sec of 100Mb/sec link. Everyone said that OSI was to fat and too much overhead, what a load of BS!
The OSI stack is still better than TCP/IP! They've tried to fix TCP/IP for years by extending it and now it is a real mess and insecure. OSI was well thought out and designed. FTAM has record level file access for goodness sakes! Pissed me off then, still does today.
Marketing and politics, sheesh.
I thought one of the major points of XML was to keep it ASCII so that it is platform neutral? If you go to binary, then you have to perform byte reversal of the binary XML message if different types of CPU's are involved. We would be right back where we were.
I know the other args: common format, blah, blah. However XML, as Microsoft has proved, can be made very proprietary in the blink of an eye.
I thought about this when XML was first gathering steam. Like everything else it's all about marketing and not about thinking.
No. This is much bigger than SlashDot. The Apple store server grid is more than big enough to handle slashdotting. This is the greatest showman since P.T. Barnum flexing his marketing muscle worldwide.
(My Apple ][ still runs fine! Yeah, ChopLifter!)
I don't understand something. Educated people in other less developed countries SEEM to want to move to one of several countries to work (in my perceived ranking):
1. United States
2. Canada
3. UK
4. Germany
5. France
6. Other European countries...
7. New Zealand
8. Australia
9. Whomever I left out
This is my perception.
My humble question is: why don't they change their country to be like one in the list?
For instance, what prevents India from becoming a much bigger version of the USA? It seems that is what they want.
What am I missing? Please educate me.
Thanks
Faster processors MEAN NOTHING!
Your computer is as fast as the slowest hardware component that is used. Additionally, if the hardware component doesn't provide enough capacity, then it causes slowness.
Traditionally, the order of slowness is (slowest first):
1. Network
2. Disk
3. Main Memory
4. CPU
(I'm not counting peripherals)
CPU is last. Concentrate on more memory and really fast disk. This gives you more for your money.
Now, use (or write) really good software. That would be non-Microsoft. Put Linux on on your box and double the speed right away.
This is a public relations stunt to cause buzz about the coming new products at MacWorld. That is all. Apple leaked it on purpose for two reasons: determine public reaction to the product while they still have a chance to shelf it, and to start the drool factor.
It's called Macintosh
During the Internet boom contracting was the only way to go. Bubble's burst. The money is not "crazy" unless your definition of crazy is pretty low. Beware the hidden cost of running a business. Right now getting a perm job is almost impossible. EVERYBODY tells the same story: initially contract then we'll hire. BS! It's the new staffing system. Small number of perm FTE's and then backfill with contractors. And with the number of H1-B visas out there it keeps the contract rate very low. The ITAA says we need more. What a load of crap. The companies can't find enough people they say. Reading between the lines they are saying that companies can't find enough CHEAP people. Thank you Reprobates, er. Republicans.
Keyhole is cool. I downloaded it and installed it. Great! I'm running Windblows XP and my system cratered. REBOOT on it's own. I haven't had that happen in a long time. Be careful.
You've all be so helpful. I had a feeling of dispair for awhile. I'm so tired of real crap software, and working for most corporations require that you create mediocre work.I hate that. I currently generate most of my income by working for a big corporation. That said, I also understand that if you make software "perfect" it will never be finished. Balance baby!
It is this type of addiction that companies depend on for sales. It creates hype. Many companies leak software, and then sue the places that distribute the software that they themselves leaked in an effort to get media attention. Aren't we talking about it now?
Biodiesel is great! The problem as always is the american consumer. The don't want diesel engines. Mainly because they are loud, smoky, and slow. Ah ha! Biodiesel fuel quiets down the diesel to the same as gasoline, and gets rid of the smoke. The exhaust is H2O. Although it smells like french fries, and makes me hungry. Unfortunately, it's still slow. Nature of diesel. Talk about torque though!!!
I've always assumed that those who create viruses do so just for the coolness of taking down systems. Mostly kids or young ones under the age of 25. In realizing that I have this assumption, it made me step back and now ask?
So does anyone really know why viruses are created? What is the personal motivation of the virus creator?
Because now viruses hurt real people. I think Microsoft should not be allowed to put out such junky software, regardless of the quality of the software real people are hurt.
Being a former technical software salesman myself, I've experienced and used the TCO defense as the last resort before I lost a sale. That is what Ballmer is doing here. Features and benefits aren't enough to sway the buyer into purchasing Microsoft software, so you have to resort to a different value proposition.
Features and benefits are valued more than anything else by the customer. It is the reason to even consider a purchase. This being the issue, it simply means that Ballmer realized that Linux has better and more value to the customer than Microsoft Winblows. Hence, the last justification is the TCO stand. And like political races, truth is meaningless, it's only what the voter will believe.
Analogy mode on:
If you need to move a refrigerator, then you need a good size pickup truck. A used car salesman will try to sell you a hatchback Honda and give you advice on how to turn the 'frig on it's side and shove it into the hatchback. The Honda may get great mileage and be cheaper, but it doesn't do the job. What good is it?
Analogy mode off:
In this case the TCO figures are an out and out lie.
The "independent" sources of TCO and general IT practices analysis live by the motto: "Never piss off the 800lb gorilla in your house" (Microsoft).
Linux and all Open Source groups have no fear of the 800lb gorilla.
Yes. It's personal. Steve Jobs still verbally abuses people, and "way back when", Raskin received his share of the tirads. Steve has a vision, and he will do anything to achieve it. I agree with the end results and they are impressive.
To bad Steve can't manage like John Lasseter, the heart and soul of Pixar. Lasseter is also a man with a vision, and he doesn't have to destroy people to achieve it.
The Great White shark of cool stuff is really quiet about this market. Is it possible that Sharp, Et Al, have realized that Steve simply isn't going to let the market exist that Apple created with the Newton, and have zero market share of it now.
It is only logical, from my weird view, that Apple has learned how to give good value for the money you spend on gadgets. Case in point: iPod. Expensive and totally worth it. If the average consumer sees real value for their money, then they find the money to spend. It simply has to work AND be very cool.
The iPod has 92% of the hard drive based handheld music player market, and 65% of the over all handheld music player market.
One small step for Apple, one giant leap for PDAs?
Pure speculation on my part.
Watch out Palm.
It will work ok if the last mile connection is good. The bottom line is that to handle high volume traffic the underlying protocol needs QoS intrinsic to the protocol. TCP/IP doesn't.
:-)
TCP/IP is a "best effort" protocol. As long as there is enough bandwidth, your ok most of the time. It gets expensive to have that much headroom of bandwidth. The issue is being addressed, however it still is going to be a bandage.
You couldn't have picked a worse protocol for real time traffic except maybe X.25
Whoops, do I have to pay royalties on that? (Pink Floyd please forgive me). It's a small world after all, at least the corporations want it that way so they can control it. Whoops, more royalties.
Global multi-national corporations simply don't want governments to defend the people, the corporations want the governments of the world to defend the corporations. If you don't become part of the machine, then you are screwed.
It's all about power, not money. Money simply gives you power. If there was some other form of exchange then everybody would want that. Say, memory chips. Big Mac for three 256K DIPs. Then everybody would want memory chips.
5,000 DDR 400MHZ DIMMs for a Ferrrari?
1. A hacker is a good person; curious, but harmless. :-)=====
2. A cracker is a bad person; curious, and dangerous.
3. Curiousity means you want to know how the damn thing works, all the way down to the hardware.
4. To get to the hardware (registers, port I/O addresses, etc) you need a programming language with instrinsic low level capabilities.
5 The most popular languages with a compiler on almost every piece of hardware is: "C", and "Forth". Of course "Forth" is usually used to bring up new hardware as a prom monitor, so it really is for the geeky (yeah, ok, me)
COBOL - Caffeine Oriented Business Object Language -> JAVA
I use "C" for fun (24 years now), I use Java for a paycheck.
What an amazing concept. Of course the idea was first thought of in 1938ish.
The Rabbit Ears Guy.
I've had a TiVo from the beginning. I can't understand why it hasn't become the Microsoft of set top boxes. I've never met anyone who has TiVo that hasn't loved it. Once you get TiVo, WOW!
I can't imagine not having TiVo. It is part of my life. I set up the programs to record, and watch them when I get home. Especially some cool programs that are in the middle of the night. Pausing live TV is just...no words to describe. Instant replay that I control! I mean geez!
I only watch about six hours of TV per week, so it had better be what I want.
The box is a little slow at times because it is way underpowered CPU wise to reduce cost.
I just don't understand why everyone hasn't got a TiVo.
Maybe it's just so radical of a concept that it is beyond normal comprehension. Like when Edison's movies first came out in the early 1900's. At many showings a person had to stand up near the screen and explain what was happenning on the movie screen.
In 1988, while working for a telephone switch manufacturer we had a new programmer join our protocol group; I asked how they became interested in computers? To my chagrin, they stated that they "didn't like computers at all". I was shocked! "Why are you a programmer?", I queried. "Good money", came the answer. I sat stunned for awhile. I couldn't comprehend that answer. Frankly, it scared me.
;-)
When the first IBM 1401 came into my view in 1973, I fell deeply in love. Then 1975 brought the Altair 8800 S100 buss system. I was so thrilled to make the front panel lights blink S-O-S, from the machine code I had entered through front panel switches. Set the address, click! Set the instruction code, click! Set the data code, click! My god! What fun!
I worked with Unix, and got paid minimum wage (~$2.65/hour I think). My IBM 370 system programmer buddies just laughed at me.
I like getting paid well, and I love computers. I didn't start getting paid well, until I'd been working with computers for about ten years. "paid well", strictly depends on your viewpoint. I think getting paid $50,000/year is a pretty darn good salary these days. Some people think it's nothing.
I mean, computer programming isn't like real work. Digging a ditch is real work.
Money is ok. It's the love of money, that hurts people.