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Google Keyhole, Google Scholar

baegucb_18706 writes "The front page of Google has a link to Keyhole where you can download a free trial of satellite imagery. Is it worth the cost for a subscription, and is it the start of the real commercialism for Google? And a challenge to MS's imagery?" D H NG writes "According to CNET, Google introduced a new service for academics called Google Scholar on Wednesday. This service searches scholarly literature such as technical reports, theses and abstracts. This service will not carry ads." And finally, reader ian@FalsePositives.com links to some speculation about how a sufficiently competent search engine could write the news itself.

270 comments

  1. Satelite imagery by suso · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sure its nice, and fun to browse, but I don't see a real good consistent profit motive for providing satelite imagery. Who needs it that can't get it already at a local courthouse, etc.

    Unless someone can show me otherwise.

    1. Re:Satelite imagery by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think people want it right there, right then. I believe most people will get what they need from the 7 day trial.

      It will be an amazing asset for schools and colleges etc. The 3d exploration module looks really good, and combined with being able to switch to a martian map, it increases it uses further.

      I see some of the imagary is scanned at a 3inch resolution (Las vegas for example), but the majority of the planet is at the lesser 70cm-1m range.
      3 inches! Just think about how detailed that is, they can see your Tin Foil Beany. They KNOW your wearing it.

      I live in England and would love this software, but they don't seem to have the resolution here yet (London is down as a 70cm map, I'm nowhere near there so its useless...

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    2. Re:Satelite imagery by swordboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      but I don't see a real good consistent profit motive for providing satelite imagery.

      I know surveyors who use terraserver multiple times per day. It is a vital tool for them.

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    3. Re:Satelite imagery by suso · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ok sure, but I imagine that surveyors seek out the tools they need, they don't expect them to be on the frontpage of google.

      What I'm asking is "is the everyday joe blow going to be using a tool like this on a daily basis for something other than play?".

    4. Re:Satelite imagery by CreatureComfort · · Score: 3, Interesting


      I think the more relevant question is, will the average Joe Blow pay a monthly subscription for this just to occasionally play. I bet, and Google is betting, that the answer to that is yes. Look at all the other garbage people spend money on for play.

      Also, why is using this "for play" not a valid reason for it to be offered?

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    5. Re:Satelite imagery by swordboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok sure, but I imagine that surveyors seek out the tools they need, they don't expect them to be on the frontpage of google.

      It is just advertising. Google doesn't intent to keep it on the front page but this is the cheapest way to get exposure for the service. Only a very small percentage of the people out there will need and pay for this but how will google get those people to do so if they don't advertise the fact that they've got this service available?

      What's the best way to let people know what services that you provide?

      Put them on the front page.

      Once it gets a following and becomes well known, google will take it off of the front page and move onto something else. They will probably do this with hundreds of different services over the course of the next decade. Cheap exposure.

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    6. Re:Satelite imagery by suso · · Score: 1

      Also, why is using this "for play" not a valid reason for it to be offered?

      It is a valid reason, so long as it lasts. It might appeal to a niche market who will pay for it, but for most people, they will try it for a few days, think its neat to move around the world in 3d. But eventually will find no entertainment in it. IMHO, this is the same problem virtual environments like Second Life fail. There is not much reason to come back. You fly around for a while, get bored and forget about it.

      I think where Keyhole might shine though is if it where encorporated into GPS devices and palmtops, where it could enhance mapping equipment for people's cars.

    7. Re:Satelite imagery by LnxAddct · · Score: 2, Informative

      Considering that the subscription price was 2 to 3 times what it is now and that previous owners were still proftiable, I'd be willing to bet that yes there are people willing to use it.
      Regards,
      Steve

    8. Re:Satelite imagery by prell · · Score: 1

      I was wondering the same thing, and it concerned me that a company that usually runs so lean, mean and without apologies (e.g. flashy graphics) would provide such an ostensibly superfluous service. If they can tie it into a service to provide directions, that might be useful. I hope they're not just worried about Micros~1.

      Google Scholar seems very promising, though. Is this finally a "web" that school instructors can love?

    9. Re:Satelite imagery by Scorchio · · Score: 1

      Multimap.com has aerial photographs for the UK that can be viewed with maps overlayed. I found it useful on several occasions, to help find directions to places by identifying surrounding landmarks or seeing how a particular motorway intersection looks in real life, before you're hitting the thing at 70mph. Cool stuff. I miss it, here in the US, but not enough to pay for it - which is probably where the whole thing falls flat.

    10. Re:Satelite imagery by Bagpiper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I found mapquest.com's similar (but free and now sadly missing) service useful when househunting, to get a better idea of what to expect of the neighborhoods I was considering.

      It saved me the trouble of going out to view the house, only to find it shared a backyard with the local GiantSuperWigglyFoodMart. I could find this out from the comfort of my own couch.

    11. Re:Satelite imagery by moresheth · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I remember reading once about an in-car guidance system in Japan that shows you directions to your destination in 3d real-world representations, like playing an FPS.

      Now think about how Google recently grabbed up a small mapquest-like mapping company.

      Just thinking aloud here, how much would Google stand to leap over the competition if it were to make software that functions like mapquest, only gives you the ability to fly around, looking at the route?

    12. Re:Satelite imagery by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Bit more thinking aloud, but what will it take to pull all the geolocated search results together that they seem to be aiming towards.

      and see exactly where the pizza shop your looking for is.

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    13. Re:Satelite imagery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm already using it because of one primary feature: Calculate distance of an aribtrary route.

      I'm using it to plan my bike rides, hikes, and runs.

    14. Re:Satelite imagery by keefebert · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I stumbled upon this a few weeks ago when Google first bought keyhole. I showed it to my boss at work, and 5 minutes later we are iamging properties we manage and looking at potential new customers. Yeah, for Joe Blow it is useless, but for us it will become another key componant to generating business. It fits in perfectly for what we do, and only cost us $30. We'll use it constantly, and I wouldn't have known about it if it weren't posted on the front page.

    15. Re:Satelite imagery by Narchie+Troll · · Score: 1

      Those brick/mortar institutions are a fundamental backbone of the Internet, so I doubt they're going anywhere soon for at least that reason.

    16. Re:Satelite imagery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all, its not a montly subscription but a yearly subsciption. Second of all, it also features buisness lookup and an interactive BB to share your finds with others.

    17. Re:Satelite imagery by JonathanX · · Score: 1

      What you are witnessing is the death of Mapquest. Waiting for Netcraft confirmation...

    18. Re:Satelite imagery by rurapenty · · Score: 1

      I think the value of the imagery is both in terms of resolution and time. The resoilution available from kjeyhole appears to be better than what is avaiable from most courthouses. By time, I mean that most imagery data is dated. In areas where there is a lot of development. the keyhole data may be more up to date than the courthouse data. Lastly, in a lot of cases free imagery can be downloaded for free from your state's GIS Office.

    19. Re:Satelite imagery by Asphalt · · Score: 1
      I just used the trial and got motion sickness.

      I kid you not.

      It's a really, really cool product though. I'll probably pay for it.

      It will be good for flight simulator terrain design.

    20. Re:Satelite imagery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      brick/mortar learning institutions will become mostly vestigial, serving only to enhance vocational skills

      Right now the vast majority of people going to college are doing it to get a degree that will allow them to make lots of money and/or do what they enjoy for a living. The learnng aspect of college is, at best, secondary to most students. So I don't think that all that free material that you mention will change anything.

      Hell.. Librarys have been around for ages, if a person wanted to they could give themself a decent education using just the local library but very few do this because the local library does not offer degrees... Brick and morter schools will always be there as long as you need a degree to have any chance of working in certain fields.

    21. Re:Satelite imagery by prell · · Score: 1

      It seems as though, apart from the benefits of open source and free software in the contexts of the "old world" of propietary lock-in and ease of communication, there is a separate value in free services like Google. A pay version of Google would most likely doom it, as free alternatives take its place. So, rather than a business, services provided on the internet seem to be demanded almost as public services, with the companies ostensibly relying on revenue from largely superfluous advertising to survive. Is this observation accurate? If so, is this a long-term trend? Will that trend shape the demand for communication and computing services in the future? Will it change the economy? If so, will that change reflect a emphasis on services and goods rather than wealth?

    22. Re:Satelite imagery by Boronx · · Score: 1
      They KNOW your wearing it.

      Then you made your hat wrong. You have to angle a smooth part of the foil to reflect the sunlight and blind the sattelite cameras.

    23. Re:Satelite imagery by DaveJay · · Score: 1

      I can think of one use: getting kids interested in geography.

      I downloaded and played with this -- and I'm mostly geography ignorant, even as an adult, because I don't have much interest -- and I was simply blown away by (a) how much fun it was to play with, and (b) how much more a sense of scale you get from zooming in on your own house, then telling it to do a live pullout-pan-zoomin to New Delhi.

      In short, it might make the classroom globe obsolete...I'm in the process of digging up a few machines so that I can lock it down, install this software, and buy a few years' worth of subscriptions for local schools.

    24. Re:Satelite imagery by mmunie · · Score: 1

      combine with yahoo maps to check out an area befor traveling there

    25. Re:Satelite imagery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The $30 version is for personal use. If it is actually useful to your business I would think it would be worth the $500 for the version licensed for business use.

  2. In google we trust by elh_inny · · Score: 0

    It's always nice to find a picture of your house on the Internet...
    I think that in google we should trust, they will lead us in the right direction, they seem to be having better and better ideas all the time...

    1. Re:In google we trust by iztaru · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, its interesting, however, it doesn't worth the money. You cannot find there any information that you cannot find anywhere else (e.g.: pictures from places that you want to visit). I think that Google is just trying to expand its business in order to find new ways to do money. The search engine competition is very hard these days. Google has brand recognition, so they must capitalize on it with other business.

    2. Re:In google we trust by Staplerh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You raise a valid point in there.. it reminds me of those large bookstores that took the market share in Canada.

      Our local Chapters bookstore (an extremely large bookstore, with Starbucks, music, gifts, etc.) popped up, filled with wonderful chairs and beautiful features. After they destroyed the rest of the market, had their captive audience, the quality of service declined - the comfy chairs dissapeared because goodness, it cost far too much money to have people in there simply enjoying themselves and not consuming!

      Interesting to see if Google follows the same model.. at least theres MSN search to keep them on their toes! Healthy competition is good, for the enduser at least.

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    3. Re:In google we trust by yoyhed · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes, Google does rock (that Scholar service is pretty impressive.)

      they seem to be having better and better ideas all the time...

      Keyhole has been around for years, Google just recently bought them. I remember using the software about a year ago when it was just Keyhole.

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  3. lexis-nexis replacement by mmkkbb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is that what Google scholar is going for? I guess it would end up as a pay service before long.

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    1. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by endlessoul · · Score: 1

      That's certainly what it sounds like. In my opinion, if Google Scholar were to get off the ground, I think the "brand recognition" could definitely help people to come to their site, as opposed to Nexis.

    2. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Typically you get an abstract free, then pay for the paper. I suspect that google won't charge for the search itself, but will repeat this tried and true business method somehow (maybe they can make arrangements for a commission from the sale of the paper by the site they found for the person. Searching for nonfree content doesn't count as an ad)

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    3. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by millahtime · · Score: 1

      If it provides good information then it could be good for more than just schools but for folks in R&D or even just design. To see what others ahve done and are doing is good for keeping at the cutting edge.

    4. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by calibanDNS · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My first thought when I read this was that Google could easily challenge Lexis-Nexis and Westlaw for their hold on the law school community in the US. While my wife was in law school I routinely helped her research cases using both of these services, and quite frankly their interface sucks. It took forever to find just about anything, and they had to continually pelt the students with free gifts just to keep them coming back. Google could potentially do very well in this area and I think there is certainly room for another competitor; especially one with Google's name recognition.

    5. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by zenyu · · Score: 1

      I did a search on my papers and was a able to view a PDF of them. It looks like they are getting versions posted on distance education websites. These papers are all licensed for free viewing for academic purposes. The only drawback seems to be that supplimentary materials like code and videos are not linked to.

    6. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by jacobm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More a CiteSeer replacement, I think. The idea behind CiteSeer is that in academic computer science, most researchers (and most conferences and journals) make their papers available for free on the web, but there are so many of them and so many places to look that actually finding a paper that's relevant to your research is really hard. The CiteSeer folks realized that web spiders could do a very good job of indexing all those papers and putting them in a searchable form and that it was much cheaper (computationally, financially, effort-wise) than traditional approaches like Lexis/Nexis. CiteSeer has been available for free for years, and Google Scholar seems like it's just a much better interface to the same idea, so I don't see any reason why they'd turn it into a pay service.

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    7. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by kindofblue · · Score: 1

      I have a paper published by ACM Press and it is not available. The link goes to the publisher site where you can subscribe for access.

    8. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by Cade144 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I also noticed that Google Scholar lists how many times a paper is cited by other works. This seems like an excellent use of PageRank technology.

      It is also helpful for academics who need to show that their published papers are being cited. Helps with grant applications and tenure review, I would assume.

    9. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by LordMyren · · Score: 1

      >I also noticed that Google Scholar lists how many
      > times a paper is cited by other works. This seems
      > like an excellent use of PageRank technology.

      CiteSeer lists how many times per year a paper is cited by other works. As a researcher, this shows you when this idea was a topic of interest, which is quite useful.

      When you're looking for CS papers, there's truly nothing better than CiteSeer. Everything is so well cross referenced its rediculous. You can explore entire subject domains with ease.

    10. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they need to do a lot more work first. Google scholar has no sorting by date, no advanced search, no cached papers (as far as I can tell.).

      This makes it pretty much useless. One of the worst betas google has put out.

      Just use CiteSeer.

    11. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by MBraynard · · Score: 1
      I've been thinking about what Google could do with all that IPO cash and BUYING and integrating Lexis-Nexis is about the most sensible use of those funds.

      Most of the other tech businesses out there own processes - processes that Google has a track record of being able to imitate and improve on. (Huh. Sounds like another company we know?)

      But L-N owns a tremendous asset in it's news/legal database and the two companies would have tremendous synergies.

    12. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by Jagasian · · Score: 1

      Citeseer caches entire papers in their original format as well as automatically converted formats. It is not obvious whether or not Google Scholar does this, which would be a big disadvantage compared to Google Scholar. Universities often reorganize their web servers, causing papers to no longer be available, unless you have a cached copy like Citeseer.

      Hopefully Google considers including full copies of indexed papers.

    13. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by Cyberdyne · · Score: 1
      I've been thinking about what Google could do with all that IPO cash and BUYING and integrating Lexis-Nexis is about the most sensible use of those funds.

      I'm not so sure - for the money it would cost them to buy L-N, I suspect they could do a much better job starting from scratch, using their own well-known brandname to compete.

      But L-N owns a tremendous asset in it's news/legal database and the two companies would have tremendous synergies.

      Hm. The data in it is valuable - but I wouldn't be surprised if Google could get all the data directly and assemble their own, better, database instead. They've already got relationships with a lot of news sources (crawling even the subscription services for news.google.com, just as L-N will do); building that up would surely make more sense. Look at Gmail, for example: rather than trying to buy a webmail provider (despite, at that point, having a close relationship with Yahoo for search services), they started their own from scratch.

      Having said that, of course, they did buy Orkut, and buying L-N directly would be a big shortcut - but would there be anti-trust issues? The two combined would be big in terms of news resources...

    14. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by MBraynard · · Score: 1

      What L-N has cannot be bought. Most of what they have that makes them so valuable is not on the web and never was. They have farms of people entering print-only stories/articles/etc.

    15. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by Cyberdyne · · Score: 1
      What L-N has cannot be bought. Most of what they have that makes them so valuable is not on the web and never was. They have farms of people entering print-only stories/articles/etc.

      Presumably it could be bought by simply buying L-N itself, hence the speculation - but I'm sure Google has deep enough pockets to hire its own team of copy typists to feed in the relevant paper, if they wanted to. Having said that, big teams of typists doesn't seem to fit with Google's current setup at all, with even their headline collection being totally automated. If they did want to create such a collection, I'd expect them to be using some sort of clever OCR setup - which, IIRC, is more or less what they did to create many of the entries in Froogle, scanning in and processing printed catalogs?

      Looking at their track record so far, they won't just do any kind of "me too" service, like a clone of L-N - with Google itself, Gmail, Froogle, Google News and Google Groups, they basically sat in the labs planning until they actually had something new to offer. They've also created them all largely from scratch, only buying in raw materials (like the old Usenet backup tapes for Google Groups) or some specific useful technology - if I were betting, I'd put my money on something from the same mold as Froogle, very highly automated and using their own scans from paper rather than trying to assimilate someone else's database. Having developed sufficiently advanced OCR to digest 5,000 printed catalogs almost two years ago, an automated replacement for L-N's teams of typists wouldn't surprise me at all...

    16. Re:lexis-nexis replacement by MBraynard · · Score: 1

      You are missing the point and I should clearify. First, OCR is unreliable. L-N is extremely reliable. Secondly, what makes L-N so valuable is that they have a huge archive of stuff going back many many years that there is no other practicle source at all. Maybe microfishe at some dusty rural library. The typist farms go back to before OCR existed in a reliable way (and I still doubt it is reliable). And OCR still requires people to flip pages over the scanner. L-N may be doing that now, but it's the archive that is so valuable.

  4. NASA? by Clemensa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is this not very similar to what NASA are doing? NASA's is free, but I think Google's has a much better resolution and can zoom in more detail. However, I remember a while back NASA saying they would probably support Open Source in the near future with their project?

    1. Re:NASA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Is this not very similar to what NASA are doing?

      No, NASA is doing something rather amaturishly similar to Keyhole.

    2. Re:NASA? by dema · · Score: 1

      I remember a while back NASA saying they would probably support Open Source in the near future with their project?

      Well, that's a good sign :D

    3. Re:NASA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://learn.arc.nasa.gov/worldwind/

      runs on PC, uses .NET, so /.ers with their high morals will not get to enjoy this.

      nothing cooler than a USGS 1M in 3D.

    4. Re:NASA? by CaptRespect · · Score: 1

      "NASA's is free"

      Actually how many billions does NASA cost us a month? NASA is definately not 'free'. Maybe it's free if you live outside the United States.

      I personally would like to see Google have people that actually want to use the program, pay for the program, rather than have everyone pay for the program regardless of if they use it or not.

  5. Not Such Link by dorward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Google isn't linking to Keyhole here. Maybe is it to random users, or selected geographical areas.

    1. Re:Not Such Link by dorward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ah ha! It does appear in the Google Tools, but not on the front page.

    2. Re:Not Such Link by suso · · Score: 2, Informative

      It appears on the frontpage for me. Coming from Bloomington, IN

    3. Re:Not Such Link by BigDogCH · · Score: 2, Informative

      A friend near Minneapolis MN doesn't get the link either. While I get it near Madison WI. It must be a geographical thing, though I am not sure why. There is less data on my area than his, yet I have the link. Go figure.

    4. Re:Not Such Link by _Pinky_ · · Score: 1

      Doesn't appear on the frontpage when I just now went to google...

      I'm guessing it could very well be geo specific... According to the keyhole page, they dont have high res for the whole globe, only major metro areas...

      Of course I'm up here in Alaska, and we didn't even make the pull down... Grrr...

    5. Re:Not Such Link by genesplicer · · Score: 1

      I don't see it on the front page either (I'm in Toronto - and I checked both google.ca and google.com).
      I will say though that the addition of Google Scholar is yet another reason why Google is the _Greatest Invention Ever!_ ... Fire, the wheel, sliced bread - they've got nothing on Google.

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    6. Re:Not Such Link by dorward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Fire, the wheel, sliced bread - they've got nothing on Google.

      This is true, Fire might let you see naked bottoms in the dark, but Google gives you access to a world wide database of naked bottoms.

    7. Re:Not Such Link by Monoman · · Score: 1

      No link for me either. Tried multiple browsers, force refresh, etc.

      Random, phased in, or based on some criteria?

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    8. Re:Not Such Link by kfg · · Score: 1

      But Google runs on fire, allowing you to see naked bottoms in the dark.

      Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

      KFG

    9. Re:Not Such Link by peterprior · · Score: 1

      Not here.. coming from the UK to google.com. Maybe it is only there to areas covered by keyhole. That would make sense...

    10. Re:Not Such Link by byolinux · · Score: 1

      I can't find the link anywhere here (UK)

    11. Re:Not Such Link by zhenlin · · Score: 1

      http://www.keyhole.com/body.php?c=popup&h=home&t=f aqHome

      However, Keyhole certainly is mentioning Google. See the top of the page.

    12. Re:Not Such Link by Lars+Arvestad · · Score: 1
      On the contrary! Why look at your home? I know my neighbourhood pretty well, and while it woudld be fun to try the technology on familiar places, the technology's utility is to view places you haven't been to. Perhaps for planning a trip or deciding where to meet.

      At least in my humble opinion.

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    13. Re:Not Such Link by blowdart · · Score: 1
      That's not surprising, as UK high resolution maps are limited to a very small area, just like Terraserver and WorldWind.

      (cue the usual US sterotypes about not having a passport or never looking outside borders)

    14. Re:Not Such Link by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 1

      More than likely it's an ISP thing. Remember that some ISPs cache websites, especially ones as popular as Google.

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    15. Re:Not Such Link by burns210 · · Score: 1

      Appears on the frontpage of Salem, OR, USA google.com

  6. Writing the nes itself? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

    Would it be able to get a sufficient amount of meaningless technobable, managementspeak, sentence fragments and misspelled words?

    I thought not.

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    1. Re:Writing the nes itself? by kfg · · Score: 1

      Actually, going counter to the joke, my first impression is that is the only sort of "news" it could write, which, given the joke, would, indeed, render its output indistinguishable for what passes for "news" these days.

      I'll believe a search engine can "write" news when I can't tell a difference in quality between its output and Twain's or Mencken's.

      I'm not going to hold my breath.

      KFG

    2. Re:Writing the nes itself? by Random_Goblin · · Score: 3, Funny

      meaningless technobable, managementspeak, sentence fragments and misspelled words?

      you want it? You already have it
      Mission statement Generator

      (in a life imitating art moment, I am currently looking at a job application that wants me "To exploit all synergies within the group and drive through efficiencies via excellent operational planning.")

    3. Re:Writing the nes itself? by Smallpond · · Score: 1

      As long as you you mean Otto Mencken and Shania Twain.

    4. Re:Writing the nes itself? by Piquan · · Score: 1

      you want it? You already have it
      Mission statement Generator

      At one point I built the same idea into an Alicebot and called it "Virtual CEO". It would attempt to have a rational conversation (using the normal Alice tables), but when it got confused-- which would happen often-- it would spout off some meaningless managementbabble.

      I think I lost the code, though. *sigh*

  7. Winders by doon · · Score: 2, Informative

    So I go to Download Free Registration, and it says compatible with Windows for PC's. So I guess I won't be able to use it :(

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    1. Re:Winders by TheKubrix · · Score: 0, Troll

      Ever heard of dual booting? Ever heard of VMware? Ever heard of Wine? Don't be the typical linux zealot and post retarded crap like that. You REALLY hurt the movement. If you're incapable if running windows or windows applications, then take it somewhere else where others may help you. Don't come here and try to be "cool".

    2. Re:Winders by Narchie+Troll · · Score: 1

      Some of us don't want to shell out around $190 for an OS we won't use. Especially if we then have to pay ANOTHER $190 to run it without having to repartition and waste space.
      It doesn't do Linux any good to look out the window and think of ice cream and ice cubes.

    3. Re:Winders by doon · · Score: 1

      I'll bite...

      i wasn't trying to be cool. In fact I would say I am far from cool. Yes I have heard of dual booting. I have a couple systems that dual boot, mostly FreeBSD5.3/Slackware10, some that do boot FreeBSD/BeOS, I just don't have a need for windows. Figured since this was Slashdot and most people won't RTFA anyway, and would just go Yeah Google! I would post saying it was Winders (Sorry large Redneck Population up here does that to ya) only.

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    4. Re:Winders by pHDNgell · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of dual booting? Ever heard of VMware? Ever heard of Wine?

      Dual booting...that's when I can boot into MacOS or Linux on my PPC boxes? Or OS 7 and NetBSD on my 68k boxes? Or SunOS 4 or NetBSD on my Sun4c boxes? Or (NetBSD|Linux|OpenBSD) on my sun4u boxes? I assume NetBSD will run on at least one of my SGIs, but I haven't tried it. Supposedly they're making good progress on the SCSI driver for my NeXT slabs, but who knows.

      AFAIK, VMWare and Wine don't run on any of the computers I regularly use.

      Of course, I don't particularly care since I don't seem to be missing anything (although I've never in my entire lifetime with computers had a virus).

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    5. Re:Winders by bob65 · · Score: 1
      I just don't have a need for windows

      Do you have a want for windows though? How many times have you encountered a similar situation - "Darn, it's only for Winders"? Don't you think it would be nice just to have Windows installed somewhere on some machine, even if just for playing games, looking at cool stuff, etc?

    6. Re:Winders by doon · · Score: 1
      How many times have you encountered a similar situation - "Darn, it's only for Winders"?

      Sadly not enough as BillG and company would hope for. I do have access to Windows if I "NEED"/"WANT" it. While looking at Sat Pictures is neat, it is still not neat enough to get my to install windows. That and the majority of the hardware I have isn't physically capable of running windows natively. 17" Powerbook, Sun Netra's , Sgi O2 and Octane. I guess my vaio laptop could run it, but why ruin a perfectly good OpenBSD box to install windows which would probably crawl (PII 366 128MB ram).

      My main workstation at home ran windows @ 1 time in a partition, and it might run it again at some point. Any game that might get me to Use windows normally has too high hardware requirement so I would have to Upgrade my boxes to use it anyway and My other hobbies are where my money goes nowadays.. this being one of them

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  8. Authors by endlessoul · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the website:
    I'm an author. Why would I want my articles in Google Scholar?

    Your work likely has great value to a number of people who may not know it exists. By including your articles in Google Scholar, others will be more likely to find them, learn from them, cite them and build on the foundation you have laid.


    Sounds like a good way to make yourself known in the writing world. For now, it sounds like a kickass idea. Go Google.

    1. Re:Authors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not for *writers*, but for authors of scientific/academic papers. Hence "scholar." You probably won't become famous by getting your latest short story on Google Scholar; rather, you will allow people to find your published research more easily by putting it there.

  9. What about the rest of us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will we get keyhole too someday?

    1. Re:What about the rest of us? by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      Let's build our own.

    2. Re:What about the rest of us? by generic-man · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry. It's BETA. I'm sure Google will add support for Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, Minix, RISC OS, Amiga, and OS/2 by the time they're done.

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    3. Re:What about the rest of us? by NtroP · · Score: 1
      Don't worry. It's BETA. I'm sure Google will add support for Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, Minix, RISC OS, Amiga, and OS/2 by the time they're done.
      What's with the snide remarks? As an exclusive BSD/Linux and OS X user I was very disappointed that it's not available for my platforms. I would have been happy with just a note on the page that said "Linux and Mac OS X version coming soon...".

      I resent my modern and capable OS's being lumped in with a list of obvious non-starters for a modern program like this. I also resent the apparent implication that I should "just use Windows" if I want to do anything new or cool. I know that's not precisely what you said, and I would have even agreed with your statement, if you weren't so obviously making fun of those of us who don't have our lips grafted to Bill's ass like you do.

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    4. Re:What about the rest of us? by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Google hasn't brought anything to non-Windows platforms yet. They make vague suggestions like "we might eventually support Mac OS X" but do nothing about it.

      Oh, and I use Mac OS X and Linux. I get paid $100 for every pro-Microsoft comment I post to Slashdot, but that money doesn't go back to Bill Gates like you think it does.

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  10. Not a big deal by Staplerh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So Google included Keyhole in its list of tools, which now takes another click (on more >> from the google homepage) to get to it. Heaven forbid that Google would do anything remotely business-like.

    Quite frankly, Google is a corporation, and if they can help Keyhole get a few more customers (who need the service for whatever reason) while making a few dollars on the side, I think we should accept it as completely legitimate.

    And no, I don't think this is the start of a slippery slope of Google into outrageous commercialism.

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    1. Re:Not a big deal by _Pinky_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I completely agree... Google provides ads, but not obtrusive, like other sites. This just falls in the same line.

      I don't have the link when I hit the main page, but even so, it's a link. You don't want the service, don't click on it...

      It's not a popup, it's not tricking people to click on it... and if it helps google continue providing the service they provide, I'm for it...

    2. Re:Not a big deal by quickflash · · Score: 1

      If you actually go to the keyhole site, you will see that an article that states: "Google Acquires Keyhole Corp." I wouldn't consider pushing your own products along the lines of taking money from others to push there's.

    3. Re:Not a big deal by Nutshell_TA · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google acquired Keyhole http://www.google.com/press/pressrel/keyhole.html so linking to them from their Google tools is totally legitimate IMHO

    4. Re:Not a big deal by danila · · Score: 1

      I am just not very impressed. Earthviewer is a cool software, but I used it a year ago and nothing has really changed since then. Google acquiring the company just doesn't look revolutionary. We expect more from them and their infamous PhD team. We expect originality, we expect breakthroughs. And what do we get? Just a product, which is not even new. I mean, it's great that they don't buy innovative campanies just to crush them, but I don't see any added value either.

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    5. Re:Not a big deal by Seanasy · · Score: 1

      No offense, but that's pretty short-sighted. With all their services, Google has a metric shit-load of data at their fingertips. The fact that they're getting into GIS applications is exciting. Do you think they're just going to let the Keyhole app stand on its own? I have no doubt they're coming up with ways to tie everything together. What Apple is doing with media convergance, Google is doing with everything else.

    6. Re:Not a big deal by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      Nothing has changed...

      Only a major new version of the software and the addition of large areas of high-resolution imagery.

      What Google's PhD's will do with this tool from this point onwards is what will make a huge difference.

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    7. Re:Not a big deal by danila · · Score: 1

      A new version is not something Google did, it's what Keyhole did before the acquisition (even if it was released a few weeks afterwards). Same with hi-res images, there is nothing really complex about adding more data to the system, once you have the client and server applications ready and tested (and the money to pay for the imagery).

      Google may (hopefully) make something great with Keyhole and their other datasets. But there is little reason to be excited about today's non-news (we already knew Keyhole was acquired, so now Google made a link to it - big deal). Well, may be very are some reasons, but there are also reasons to be sceptical. After all, Picasa was acquired 4 months ago, but we still haven't saw many new developments (integration with Blogger, how amazing).

      Don't get me wrong, I agree that there is potential in Google's acquisitions, but so far we saw little tangible results.

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    8. Re:Not a big deal by DaveJay · · Score: 1

      True, that. Perhaps one of these days we'll be able to perform a web search, select a result, and see where the server is located and where the hops are being made on the big, spinning keyhole globe. :)

  11. Please don't kill citeseer. by eddy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Thank you.

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    1. Re:Please don't kill citeseer. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      If they can create a new citeseer universities can subscribe to, it would be really nice. Currently citeseer is mostly unusable due to load.

    2. Re:Please don't kill citeseer. by Lalakis · · Score: 0

      If google was Microsoft, they would have bought citeseer and everyone (in the citeseer company) would be happy. Now, who do you like best, MS or Google?

    3. Re:Please don't kill citeseer. by eddy · · Score: 1

      I haven't had any big problems with it, but I'm not a heavy user nor am I in the US, so I might have the time-zone thing going for me.

      I hope the moderator who moderated my comment "off-topic" thought it through. If we assume that google scholar gets as prevalent as "google www", but goes pay/limited, then that might have a big impact on the ability of those of us who aren't faculty nor stundents to access papers.

      Even today I have a hard time accessing papers which are only available at the ACM digital library (which is pay-only). I'd like to see a move away from closing papers up in journals and digital pay-for-use libraries.

      Between the ACM and Google this could spell less access for public.

      Offload citeseer? Great! But let's hope this isn't another ivory tower in the making.

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  12. Scholar search! by Xpilot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Excellent! As a postgrad CS student, I've been more or less relying on Citeseer and Google to search for literature online. Citeseer is really useful, but I find its search rather cumbersome. If Google can create a specialty search for academic papers...I'm more than thrilled! Go Google!

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    1. Re:Scholar search! by mwood · · Score: 1

      It's still just a plain vanilla text search, though. Lots of sites are working day and night to create high-quality metadata for their holdings and share those data around, going out of their way to expose such metadata to spiders, but where do you go to find a search engine which can be told to, for example, find articles *by* $WELL_KNOWN_SCIENTIST as opposed to articles *mentioning* $WELL_KNOWN_SCIENTIST?

    2. Re:Scholar search! by 5E-0W2 · · Score: 5, Informative
    3. Re:Scholar search! by Tony.Tang · · Score: 1

      I second this comment. Another site that is invaluable for me is ACM's digital library (http://acm.org/dl) -- this is essentially citeseer on steroids: links to citations, citation count, reference counts, author relationships, the works. ACM also offers some nice things like full listings of where the publication came from, BibTex entries and the like.

      One really cool thing also is that they give you PDF access to these articles.

      One really sucky thing is that you have to pay to get access to these articles (most schools have a site license, so the cost to students is usually nothing, but read on...)

      What happens if google decides to slurp up these documents as PDF's, DOC's, cache them, and things like that?

      In this case, they will have taken away a money stream for people like ACM, who in some way, own some rights to the publication of these documents?

      Will ACM get pissed off and do something about this?

      As an academic, I wouldn't care too much -- getting your stuff out there is priority 1, but I wonder how ACM would feel..

    4. Re:Scholar search! by El+Kevbo · · Score: 1

      If you really are doing research in computer science or IT, a subscription to the ACM portal is well worth the expense. There is an astounding amount of information available through the portal and I've gotten quite a bit of use out of it. A quick search with Google Scholar shows that at least some of the portal content is indexed by this new tool but I don't know how much and if it is all available for free (I would hope not - at least not for another year when most of the current ACM portal subscriptions expire!).

    5. Re:Scholar search! by mwood · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. (We need some standardization of what words like "about" mean!)

      I note, however, that there is no list of relevant keywords (let alone precise definitions for them) or discussion of the grammar of search requests.

    6. Re:Scholar search! by duckpoopy · · Score: 1

      What it really needs is to give a bibtex entry for each paper it indexes. That would be so useful...

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    7. Re:Scholar search! by 44BSD · · Score: 1

      Dang! Google has risen to the occasion, yet again. I'd like to see them add some of citeseer's functionality (such as BibTeX entries), but as a first cut, it rocks.

      For me, Keyhole is a toy. The 4" resolution they get of Cambridge is kinda scary, though!

    8. Re:Scholar search! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell yeah! I have always had the idea of a search engine for such a thing plus only .edu domain's! I am very thrilled!!! This is the best thing out of Google so far in my own opinion!

    9. Re:Scholar search! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you really are doing research in computer science or IT, a subscription to the ACM portal is well worth the expense.

      Believe me I tried. ACM's credit card registration is teh suck.

    10. Re:Scholar search! by braindead · · Score: 1
      I feel that google scholar search will quickly steal the #1 from ACM (for those who subscribe) and citeseer (for the others). It's so cool!

      Before, I had to write a meta-search engine for research papers (papersearch), but maybe now all we'll need is google.

    11. Re:Scholar search! by mistshadow · · Score: 1
      Read the FAQ -- the only requirement Google has is that the content is accessible to the Google crawlers, and that abstracts are available to people coming from Google.

      So the ACM can have all of their articles indexed, but still charge for the full text.

  13. Worldwind by SammysIsland · · Score: 5, Informative

    ummm.... worldwind from NASA is free and seems to be the same thing...

    1. Re:Worldwind by dapyx · · Score: 1
      Worlwind doesn't work since it was slashdotted.

      So, I tried keyhole a week and so ago and it too didn't worked on my machine. I tried now to reinstall, but it says the trial expired. Oh, well...

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    2. Re:Worldwind by entrager · · Score: 2, Informative

      As far as I can tell (I'm still downloading it), the highest resolution World Wind provides is 15m/pixel. Keyhole has far higher resolution, down to 1ft/pixel in most areas.

    3. Re:Worldwind by stg · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, World Wind has tons of black&white 1 meter coverage through USGS, and a few select urban areas at .25 meter, color.

      I've used both, and Keyhole has fairly better US coverage and tools, but had very poor coverage on most of the world - usually just the Blue Marble NASA texture (not even landsat).

      World Wind's Landsat server is still off after an earlier slashdotting but there is some cache files and proxy servers around (info available on their forum). The program is already open source and available at CVS on https://sourceforge.net/projects/nasa-exp/

      A copy of the source is also included in the NASA regular download.

    4. Re:Worldwind by FredMannby · · Score: 1

      World Wind offers a variety of views. E.g. it has topo maps every bit as detailed as the 2-CD set I got for Northern Washington state. In Keyhole I only found fuzzy satellite imagery and road information.

      For the Seattle area, both Keyhole and World Wind showed the about the same resolution by default (not very good at all, e.g. compared to what used to be available on mapquest). But, World Wind showed incredible amounts of detail in other views--although, not being a commercial solution, I guess it doesn't have the scalability that Keyhole must have (but which I couldn't test, because the resolution was pitiful). World Wind gets very, very slow at high resolutions.

      But, for amateur, fun use, there's no point in paying for Keyhole with World Wind around.

      It would be very cool, though, to get locality-based searches mapped out in Keyhole....

    5. Re:Worldwind by ankhank · · Score: 1

      dagnabbit, /. is having quantum observer effects on reality again. The damn cat is _always_ dead when I try to look.

      On the bright side, apparently NASA can now do matter transfers; I'm going to go download the Taj Mahal, I've always wanted it to visit me.

      "...News & Updates Problem connecting to server...will try again in 2 minutes:
      This problem, related to downloading LandSat7 imagery and terrain, is a server issue. It is unable to cope with demand, so we are exploring ways on coming up with a solution. Visit the Add-on page to download sections of the world."

    6. Re:Worldwind by SammysIsland · · Score: 1

      I only had problems with Worldwind for about a week... after that, it's been working at a pretty good clip.
      I haven't gotten any of the error messages they warn about.

    7. Re:Worldwind by Alascom · · Score: 1

      Keyhole and Worldwind are NOT the same thing. The only similarity is that they both allow viewing of image data. Keyhole goes further by allowing you to search for "Chinese Restraunts" in San Jose and gives you a high-res map, along with markers where all the Chinese restraunts are located. It also does this with: Schools, Parks, Bike Trails, Roads, Fast Food, Earthquake Epicenters, Hospitals, and tons more. There are dozens of other features that make Keyhole a wickedly cool application.

      I used keyhole last night to find the nearest Kentucky Fried Chicken and then I printed out the high-res map to drive there from my house. You can get landmarks (like open fields, farmhouses, etc) as visual driving aids from Mapquest.

      I give keyhole a thumbs up.

  14. How is this different than... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    adding site:.edu and site:.gov to current Google searches?

  15. Surely it's not wrong to link to your own company? by rp8774 · · Score: 1

    http://www.google.com/press/pressrel/keyhole.html Doesn't this make linking to Keyhole the same as linking to Picasa?

  16. EPIC by jamie · · Score: 5, Insightful
    That last link, http://poynterextra.org/epic/, is really interesting. But the key technological turning point, where Google comes up with a magic algorithm to combine and rewrite multiple news stories to generate a customized, nuanced, original news story for each reader, is not grounded in reality.

    Rewriting English is similar to summarizing it. Using clever tricks, computers are about as good at writing a précis of a block of text as a dull 3rd grader -- every such summary lacks nuance, because the computer that generated it lacks understanding. All there is, is tricks. So the idea that an algorithm can be taught not only to understand the meaning of news stories that were written by humans, but then to rewrite them adaptively, is pure science fiction.

    My favorite example of this is Cyc, a project to feed into a database all the propositions which some believe constitute "common sense." For example, Cyc knows that dogs and cats are mammals, and that they are common pets, so one could tell it "I have a mammal as a pet," and it could deduce that I have a dog or a cat or maybe something else. In the early 1990s, when the project was getting started, its researchers believed that in about five years, it would be intelligent enough to read plain English text on its own and understand it well enough to assimilate into its database. At that point, of course, it would start absorbing all the knowledge in the world until it became the smartest encyclopedia there was.

    And then in the last 1990s, its researchers were again interviewed, and again they said that it would soon be intelligent enough to read plain English text on its own and understand it. When? In about five years. For any time T, strong AI is always about five years away.

    So I'm amused that the strong AI postulated in that excellent Flash animation, the key which allows "big media" to die off because computers will do custom rewrites of amateur news dispatches and form newsfeeds of their own, comes to pass in... about five years. I don't think the New York Times has much to worry about.

    1. Re:EPIC by mwlewis · · Score: 2, Funny
      I don't think the New York Times has much to worry
      I think the NY Times does have much to worry about...but AI hasn't made the list yet.
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    2. Re:EPIC by rice_web · · Score: 1

      I think it's funny that the idea has arisen of late that computers can ever parse information as fluidly as the animation suggests. We've had computer science for decades and speech and language analysts for centuries before that and the only thing that they've concluded is that language is a very complex thing.

      I speak English, German, French, and Spanish, so my question is this: how can Google even know the difference of languages without the appropriate headers? Well, Google feeds a set of common words, perhaps, that are common of certain languages or flags sites as they come along. However, that is not an automatic process. One can create common-word lists which filter out prepositions and only retrieve infinitives and nouns, but this trusts the standardization of language. What about misspellings and slang? What about poems and other forms of written expression? Few humans even make decent readers, let alone a computer that would be expected to understand everything.

      I am currently working on a program that will parse news for the great state of North Dakota (even the little weekly publications from the small cities), and keyword-finding is a hell of a problem. Currently I'm working on a way to divide a typical sentence on boundaries of word order (subject, verb, objects, prepositional phrases, etc.), but I'm doing it as a fun, long-term project, and it's still greatly minimal in its approach. If anything, I will have written something that just takes a lot of extra CPU cycles, and still works less often than SlashDot editor.

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    3. Re:EPIC by kfg · · Score: 1

      Rewriting English is similar to summarizing it. Using clever tricks, computers are about as good at writing a précis of a block of text as a dull 3rd grader -- every such summary lacks nuance, because the computer that generated it lacks understanding. All there is, is tricks. So the idea that an algorithm can be taught not only to understand the meaning of news stories that were written by humans, but then to rewrite them adaptively, is pure science fiction.

      Thank you, sir, and thank you again. A thousand thank yous and a thank you.

      My only concern is that since the average "journalist" now seems to write at about the level of a dull third grader (or is edited to appear as one) people won't be able to tell the difference.

      KFG

    4. Re:EPIC by gmuslera · · Score: 1
      About language detection, probably a bayesian algorithm should learn that pretty well (i.e. with POPFile would not be so hard to try to classify mails for language.

      But there should be easier ways. As far i remember most languages have its own letter distribution (i.e. around 20% 'e', 10% 'a', etc), i.e. counting frequency of letters from texts in different languages should be enough to differentiate and aggrupate them... at least, if there enough text in it.

    5. Re:EPIC by ricma · · Score: 1

      There are a bunch of people starting to try to do this. I run blabble.com, an nlp search engine that attempts to aggregate and categorize blog posts, but it could be run for news sites as well. We break content into parts of speech and it allows us to categorize intended thoughts. Im sure in the years to come it will be very possible to do what the poster decribes.

    6. Re:EPIC by moonbender · · Score: 1

      We've had computer science for decades and speech and language analysts for centuries before that and the only thing that they've concluded is that language is a very complex thing.

      There sort of have been language analysts for hundreds of years, but linguistics as a serious, scientific discipline is a quite recent thing. About the same as computer science really, in more than one way. And I get the impression there's more to it than "language is very complex" - that's true, but if there wasn't more to it my upcoming exam in semantics and sociolinguistics would be fairly brief. ;)

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    7. Re:EPIC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Five years is probably the length of time before their grants expire ...

  17. Price by alatesystems · · Score: 3, Informative

    The price is free when you have an Nvidia GPU, which I'm sure a lot of you do.

    Click here to get an Nvidia only free(beer) version. Their site seems to be down at the moment, which is odd for such a large company, but when it comes back up, you can get it from there. There are many other cool programs you can get for free if you have an Nvidia card while you are there.

    1. Re:Price by isecore · · Score: 3, Informative

      The price is free when you have an Nvidia GPU, which I'm sure a lot of you do.

      Yes, you get the software and a trial-subscription.

      But you still need a "real" subscription to use it more than 14 days. You can sign up for a free trial-version every 14 days, but that seems like a fair pain in the derriére.

      Also if memory serves me Nvidia-users get a slight discount when purchasing a subscription.

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    2. Re:Price by teeheehee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not exactly. It's similar to the LT version where you get a free trial account for 7 days, but then you'll still have to pay. For LT, it's $29.95 for a year, and for NV it's $24.95 [LT and NV]

      I purchased this service about a year ago for NV, before the buyout by Google. Their NV version was $10 cheaper than the LT version. I forget the cost at the moment.

      I tried them out after hearing they were the service used by the news media (CNN I think) during the latest Iraq war to display the area and mountainous regions where troops were travelling. They may have used the Pro version, which lets you script something like flights over all the data and display it without the interface by exporting it as a movie. I think Pro also lets you hold more of the images cached so you don't have to stream them if you don't need to.

      I've also used the NASA software, which is free. The Keyhole one seems to have more data currently, and is all streamed as needed for consumer versions, whereas the NASA software was a more kludgy and came with several large images right away, making for a bigger install. Also, NASA had some problems with their image streaming servers which meant every area you wanted to focus in on with higher granularity you had to download another set of large images for. Granted, it's also nice to have the images on my own machine so I can view them in other applications, I don't think everyone who wants to view the Earth this way wants to download all the images they will view (it's a usability issue.)

      The Keyhole software is easy to adapt to, quite powerful in features, hasn't had a problem with their streaming servers for as long as I've used it, has other data layers it can display (districts, crime rates, school zones, etc.) and also has images of Mars. I hope the NASA one picks up the pace a bit, I haven't renewed my Keyhole subscription yet (even though it's cheaper now) because I haven't made as much use of it as of late.

      P.S. If either Keyhole or NASA developers are reading this, please include driving directions features as I would want so desparately to use this over Mapquest or Yahoo's services. If the NASA stuff goes OS, perhaps I'll look into helping make that possible (hint, hint!)

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    3. Re:Price by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      I tried that and have 6800 GT card. Aparently, that is not in the range for GeForce 2 cause the raises an error.

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  18. OK, who the hell is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sam-zen-pus?
    And why in hell would anyone end their nym with pus

  19. Keyhole? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like Keyhole is just using Citipix (http://www.citipix.com) imagery. So its essentially cheap access to the Citipix database without the uber-cool Citipix image viewer? Pah.

    1. Re:Keyhole? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like Keyhole is just using Citipix (http://www.citipix.com) imagery.

      Yeah that non-existant website you point to is uber-cool all right.

    2. Re:Keyhole? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what Citipix is, but Keyhole does have a custom image browser. So it may well be using the Citipix image viewer.

  20. Keyholes Maps by IndigoZenith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think keyhole has more Sat. Imagery of Iraq and Afghanistan, than all of the U.S. put together. This is pretty much a good way to tell if you are on the US hit list, when more and more Imagery is available for your Counrty (At least in the Middle East, otherwise Italy and Greece need to watch their asses). Otherwise, I think this is a great step for Google to take if they are developing their own in-house MapQuest. Plus it is too much fun spinning the planet in circles.

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    1. Re:Keyholes Maps by gUmbi · · Score: 1

      This is pretty much a good way to tell if you are on the US hit list, when more and more Imagery is available for your Counrty

      We never liked Alberta anyway...

    2. Re:Keyholes Maps by IndigoZenith · · Score: 1

      Yeah! Who needs Oil and searching for WMD's, when we could corner the Hockey and Canadian Beer market!

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    3. Re:Keyholes Maps by dustbowl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Go take a look in Israel; IIRC, the US Govt place a limit on the detail level that could be displayed for Israel, something like 2km, which would only be increased if a competing service from outside the US went to a higher resolution. I roughly found where my apartment might be though. At 31"09'41.35N and 34"43'41.20E there seems to be some censorship going on maybe?

    4. Re:Keyholes Maps by AngusL · · Score: 1

      Very detailed, Big Brother is coming. If Google has this detail and the government are 10 years ahead of whatever we have... I think I'll put a lead box around my farday cage encased, locked down computer with retina scan and audio recognition login. Oh yes, musn't forget the tin coat and hat.

      This is a big step for Google, in 5, maybe 10 years I don't think we'll be able to recognise Google. At this rate, Microsoft will have nothing on them soon. I'll check out the free trial, I've played with NASA's application, but this seems to be far higher resolution. Will be very useful for creating high detailed scenery for games - EG: Flight simulator.

    5. Re:Keyholes Maps by prestidigital · · Score: 1

      Reasons why there is more imagery in some places than others are probably not as cynical as one might suspect. Demand from the public and news organizations has as much to do with Iraq & Afghanistan being covered so well as do potential military concerns. The best imagery available to the public comes from commercial satellites. Some commercial stuff is better than what you can get from the government, at least w/o being in a highly classified environment. It's not that expensive to pay to have an image taken. It's even cheaper to buy and image that already exists and commercial satellites will get busy taking shots of areas that they expect to be in high demand from the paying public. Iraq & Afghanistan not withstanding, we have way more imagery data of the U.S. because there is a high commercial demand for it. Comparatively speaking, it would be much easier for terrorists to use this to target us that it would be for us or anyone to gather intelligence on potential military objectives. (Which you should absolutely, absolutely NOT construe to mean that I think we should take U.S. imagery out of the public domain.)

  21. Keyhole interesting, but not all that great by kalpol · · Score: 1

    I tried out Keyhole for a few days - it was interesting, but it seemed like most of the images I looked at that I could date were a couple of years out, at least. Also, the only hi-res images that exist are major population areas, which is slightly annoying if say, you want to examine Palo Duro Canyon or something like that.

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  22. 3 inches by notthepainter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hmmm, Cambride Massachusetts is imaged down to a 3 inch resolution. I wonder what they did to deserve that.

    Not quite licenes plate reading, but getting there.

    I think I'll put a brim on my tin-foil hat.

    1. Re:3 inches by nicodemus05 · · Score: 1

      Well, we have 1000s of the smartest foreign nationals in the world at MIT and Harvard. I think that's probably a big part of it.

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    2. Re:3 inches by 44BSD · · Score: 1

      One of those MIT eggheads was on Frontline discussing the (in)security of chemical plants, oil terminals, and other critical infrastructure. He stood on a roof of a building at MIT and pointed to a place (which was deliberately NOT shown) and talked about how if it contained enough bad stuff to take out Beantown. With Keyhole, the terrorists can now conduct a virtual kamikaze run from home. :^)

  23. Keyhole needs throughput capacity by rwebb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I downloaded and installed the 7-day free trial a couple of weeks ago, shortly after Google purchased the service and dropped the price of an annual subscription to a more reasonable level.

    If they could have kept my DSL pipe full (or even occasionally full) when pulling down the image data I probably would have sprung for the subscription but the service was just unacceptably slow.

    They do recommend that users have a broadband connection, so presumably the throughput will improve someday. However, if you're thinking about trying the service, do use enough of the free trial period to find out if it's fast enough for you.

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    1. Re:Keyhole needs throughput capacity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, because all the other services are instant.

      oh wait.....

  24. Obligatory Futurama quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With Blackjack and Hookers!

  25. Sonic hedgehog is essential to foregut development by Rescate · · Score: 1

    I was giving Google Scholar a whirl, and found this scholarly paper from 1998 at the bottom of my search page:

    Sonic hedgehog is essential to foregut development .

    These days, foregut development is more from playing Doom 3 and Half-Life 2, I suppose...

  26. Re:EPIC 2014 by Fr05t · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Sorry what was that you were saying? I just shit my pants, and not the good kind either.

  27. ABC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen news reports by ABC using keyspan.

    How do I know they used it? There was a keyspan.com watermark on the top left!

  28. Google Scholar is BETA by generic-man · · Score: 1, Funny

    Please remember that Google Scholar is BETA. You are not allowed to criticise it until 2015, at which time Google will change the name to "Google Scholar Release Candidate 1."

    This has been a public service announcement from Google Advocacy Central BETA. If you have any feedback, please don't send it to us.

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  29. Re:Sonic hedgehog is essential to foregut developm by Halo- · · Score: 1
    I'm not a biologist/geneticist/etc, but "Sonic Hedgehog" is a protein named because of it's spikey appearance. Biologists are just as bad as physicists when it comes to naming things. Remember particle names? "up", "down", "strange"...

    And don't get me started on the "funny" names us computer people like to give things...

  30. Worries about Scholar by 3rd_Floo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only thing I worry about with scholar, after giving it a whirl, is that some newer papers that have recently been published dont appear, since it seems it builds its index off of citations first. I worry that if Scholar does take hold, newer more obscure papers that may not get the publicity of more mainstream journals and venues of publication will never be seen again (This is all reliant on their indexing model not getting better). Perhaps i'll have to start submiting abstracts of my work to Google as well now...

    1. Re:Worries about Scholar by chandar · · Score: 1

      I would like to add that preprints and uncorrected proofs show up if they can be found by Google's searchbot. They even have a warning about this on their FAQ. One of my uncorrected proofs shows up even though the article is not yet published. How long will it show up after the article is published?

    2. Re:Worries about Scholar by speaker4thedead · · Score: 1

      That only really becomes a problem when you only sort by number of citations. Perhaps sorting by date and relavance would also be useful.

      Personally, I think I'll only ever use Scholar as a jumping off point to real research. While there are people who will believe it's the best thing since sliced bread, I doubt Scholar will ever be widely seen as anything but a place to get started.

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  31. Keyhole has a crappy install by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I downloaded keyhole, but I can't install it becasue the crappy install won't let you select the install drive - or anything else. It does let you review your non-choices though...

    I question their competence.

    Also, isn't it time big companies ( and their subsidiaries ) used multi-platform tools so they can develop and release on multiple platforms easily *and simultaneously* ?

    Groutch

  32. So it's basically CiteSeer? by mcc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google Scholar basically seems to be an attempt to replace CiteSeer. It doesn't seem to have quite as many features in terms of displaying information as CiteSeer does, but it does have the important features, and it does lack a couple of the longstanding problems with CiteSeer (for example, that CiteSeer is absurdly slow)...

    I am curious which produces better search results. Google seems to produce its results mainly from a handful of sources, but a couple of tests showed it giving more relevant results than CiteSeer, and Google Scholar also immediately returned a copy of this one specific article I was trying to find awhile back that I knew to exist but couldn't find either on CiteSeer or Google normal search... Hmm.

    At any rate CiteSeer indexes 716797 articles and Google Scholar... interestingly, doesn't provide an index size number at all.

    1. Re:So it's basically CiteSeer? by Lars+Arvestad · · Score: 2, Informative
      No, they seem to have far more content than CiteSeer! In contrast to CiteSeer, Google has indexed stuff that is not available on the web. They seem to have worked with the publishers here, because they seem to know citations of articles. The publically available PubMed (AKA Medline) can be downloaded for analysis by virtually anyone, but PubMed doesn't have citation information which apparently Google has acquired.

      What I believe will be killed here is the commercial scientific indexing system ISI Web of Knowledge. Their interface is a real pain, and while they probably contain more data than Google Scholar at the moment, they are up for some really tough competition!

      It is about time.

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    2. Re:So it's basically CiteSeer? by SETY · · Score: 1

      Replace CiteSeer and a whole bunch of others, remember not everyone is doing research in one field (CS, law, etc.). I do EE/Physics stuff and that makes it dificult because it is in two fields, I hope google scholar will solve this. A quick search of my name seems they have.

  33. We have just stepped into the 21st century by nucleargeek · · Score: 1

    Search technologies are the future: I have just tried google scholar and in my field (optical model potenitals for nuclear physics) I was able to get most of the relevant references that I have been acumulating for years in a few seconds.
    I am VERY impressed.
    I think that search technologies like google desktop or spotlight are going to define the user interface of the 21st century: no files that you have to keep track of, only information that is a search query away from your fingertips.

  34. Google is thinking outside the box... by mogrify · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Google is clearly making an effort to consider ALL the different kinds of information available on the web. They've grown the idea of a search engine from simply something that indexes HTML pages to include PDFs, Office documents, images, news, products, etc...
    This shows some initiative and creativity in trying to develop new ways for people to find all kinds of information, both on your desktop and on the Internet... just imagine when they get all this stuff integrated... you could search for a friend's address, and not only get a map of their house, but a satellite-guided view of the trip, as well as links to their website, public photo collection, slashdot and blog posts, e-mails you've written them, and scholarly articles they've written. Google wants to be a total information provider, and they're the only ones truly pulling all of this stuff together.

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    1. Re:Google is thinking outside the box... by geg81 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This shows some initiative and creativity in trying to develop new ways for people to find all kinds of information,

      Well, in the case of Google Scholar, it's a late entry into the market. It also threatens to derail some significant public and free efforts at making scholarly information available on the web. Altogether, I'm not convinced that Google Scholar is something to be welcomed.

    2. Re:Google is thinking outside the box... by mogrify · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yep, this kind of all-encompassing approach does have some negative connotations, not the least of which is getting all of your information from one (corporate/non-public) source. I almost called it 'innovation,' which it's not. It's just plain old 'initiative.'

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  35. Keyhole by jessecurry · · Score: 1

    After using keyhole I'll have to say that I was both impressed and disappointed. The things that impressed me the most about Keyhole were the fact that it had full color images of anywhere that I wanted to look(including my ranch in FL) and that it had a very elegant interface.
    I was, however, disappointed with the speed at which these images were delivered to my desktop. The first 20 minutes that I used Keyhole I thought that it had a very limited high-res image base because everywhere that I tried to view came back very blurred. While browsing the software I had to take a call that lasted about 10 minutes, when I switched back to the keyhole application I was amazed to see a crisp clean image in front of me. I was on an OC-3, so it's not as if my connection would've caused a slowdown.
    The Keyhole application definitely has a lot of potential, but if it continues to be so slow then I think I'll pass.
    One of the more interesting features that was able to set Keyhole apart from other imaging services is that you can pan/tilt in "realtime" this was very cool because it enabled me to get a better view of what surrounded an area.
    All in all it is a good product, but still needs to be polished a little. And the price per year is even fairly low.

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    1. Re:Keyhole by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 1

      It would be interesting to offer an alternate version of keyhole that could distribute the dataset over client computers...

      I'm envisioning something like this:

      When you sign up for keyhole, you're given a couple of choices:

      -Pay for a subscription

      -Host distributed imaging data and receive a free subscription (the keyhole main server could ping you every couple of hours and so long as you're serving data, for say 10 days a month, you get a free subscription). If you're serving, you need to have a couple gigs worth of data on your system, and allow a minimum of say, 15k/sec upstream.

      So when a client connects, it talks to the main server and finds the IP of distributed servers that hold the dataset in question. It then tries to connect to multiple servers (torrent style) and get the data it needs. As the imaging data is uploaded, the main keyhole server spreads the data around it's distributed network based on the frequency the data is requested and the relative geographic proximity to those requests.

      N.

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    2. Re:Keyhole by jessecurry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      that would be very cool in theory, but bittorrent has an extremely high latency, where keyhole would really only be useful if that is kept to a minimum.
      How do you propose that we handle that problem?

      Also, if we wanted to keep a few gigs worth of data on our machines why not just download all of the maps? A DVD distro would be nice as long as it had web updates.

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  36. Google acquired Keyhole by stripmarkup · · Score: 1

    It happened over three weeks ago. The news is on Keyhole's front page.

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  37. another thought... by mogrify · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't Google Keyhole and Google Scholar seem rather remarkably like beta versions of the Earth and Librarian programs from Hiro's study in Snow Crash?

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    1. Re:another thought... by snot_rocketeer · · Score: 1

      I agree- it's a creepy coincidence

      Stephenson is a cyber-punk genuis

      Interesting note: our Library System offers 24/7 reference chat. I'm one of the librarians that staffs this service. There have been many times kids have asked me if I'm "real"

      Do kids these days really think that chatterbots have the flexibility and intuitive grasp of English that a person does?

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    2. Re:another thought... by mogrify · · Score: 1

      The lines between tech and reality are blurring... a lot of kids essentially use a computer as a GUI for human interaction, so for them, there's less difference between the two.

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    3. Re:another thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been many times kids have asked me if I'm "real"

      What was your answer?

  38. Government should license this product by nysus · · Score: 0

    Probably most of the images created for this software come from government agencies for the public good. I think the government should also get involved with licensing and furthering this software even further so all citizens can take advantage of it. If every poor taxpayer chipped in few cents and weatlhier tax payers chipped in a few bucks, we'd have one universal service that everyone could have access to and make use of.

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  39. Google Scholar by wadam · · Score: 1

    So Google Scholar seems like it will be a pretty good resource, but for those of us in the humanities and social sciences, it doesn't look like it has a whole lot to offer just yet. Certainly, it doesn't compare to subscriber-only resources like JSTOR and Project MUSE. I like Google and I like the interface, so I hope that this changes in the near future, but I'm not really holding my breath. I don't know what it's like in the sciences, but part of the problem that I see is that University Presses who put out Humanities and Social Science journals are unlikely to allow them to be indexed on Google without some kind of monetary compensation. Smaller independent journals, maybe, but in the disciplines that I'm familiar with (Anthropology, Folklore, English etc.), those aren't the important journals anyway.

    1. Re:Google Scholar by jredbird · · Score: 1
      Comparing GScholar to MUSE or JSTOR is apples and oranges. Those resources are limited to what they host.

      It should be remembered that there is relatively little Humanities and Social Science content online. A couple of reasons: 1) it doesn't pay the bills the way Scientific, Technical, Medical (STM) content does. 2) the users of such content are less interested in online availability. Therefore, there is less to find.

      The Google services is simply a means of discovery. Full text content hosted by publishers or their contracted third parties usually resides behind authentication layers. In most cases, an academic library will be ip authenticated thereby allowing users to 'pass through' from Google links to the abstract, to the full text.

      University Press (UP) publishers will have increased exposure if they open their content to Google crawlers at the abstract level. This presents the user with access to those items to which their institution subscribes, and the option to pay-per-view (if offered by the host) or look elsewhere for the desired resource.

      The biggest problem in getting UPs online is the expense in online publication and hosting. As far as compensation for indexing...they should be thanking Google for the exposure.

    2. Re:Google scholar by La+Camiseta · · Score: 1

      But for those of us who are behind a university, we can usually access those articles, so it's a great help to us.

  40. Keyhole software nice, not complete by Omega1045 · · Score: 1
    I downloaded the Keyhole software last night and took it for a test drive with my wife. I mention her because she has a lot of experience with GIS (Geographic Information System) with government and the private sector. We found Keyhole to present a very nice user experience, but downloading the images was a little slow and the data was rather incomplete. My wife was really unimpressed with some of the missing data at a few locations she knew. I checked locations in South Dakota and Wyoming that I had previously gotten free aerial photos off of one of the online mapping sites, and none of the locations had better resolution than 19 miles up in Keyhole. I have images of these locations where you can see the structures clearly, but Keyhole was lacking that data and I could just barely make out streets.

    The software is nice but it is not worth the subscription IMHO. There is a lot more easily accessible data out there on the Intarweb that they need to put into their product. Still, it is a good start but the current version just isn't there yet.

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  41. 1600 pennsylvania ave Washington DC by lobsterGun · · Score: 1



    Check it out. Either the White house had one BORING roof, or it's been balcked out.

    Checkit, and see.

    1. Re:1600 pennsylvania ave Washington DC by TellarHK · · Score: 1

      If you look at the buildings next to it, on the east and west, you'll see those also have blacked-out rooftops. I would expect that to be the location of the anti-aircraft defenses either put in place after 9/11 or the other occurrences of people flying/crashing planes into the yard. Every so often someone would put a Piper Cherokee or a small Cessna into the ground there.

  42. Amazing by prescot6 · · Score: 1

    I don't know how many of you are actually bothering to download and try it out, but it is really awesome. I have no use for it, but the control is incredible and everything moves smoothly. Enter in an address and you'll zoom out and travel over to the new location and zoom in.

    I really recommend trying this out, even if you're not interested in things like this or have a use for it. Seriously!

  43. most online scientific journals not free by peter303 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unlike most online newspapers and magazines, almost all the scientific journals I know of require a paid subscription to access. The exception are the couple of new bioscience journals in the Public Library of Science and the physics pre-print server (not peer-reviewed). But even that the author must pay $1500 for the cost of review and webification.

    I find this a bit ironic. Science is an epistomological enterprise of creating knowledge by the open publication of results. However, the greedy for-profit academic publishers and professional societies know this wall. They have the academic community by the b*lls with their high subscription and publication page charges.

    Even the index services like Scientific Citations, GeoRef, Lexus-Nexus, etc. charge high fees. Hopefully Google Scholar will do an end-run around these and provide a more accessable search service.

    1. Re:most online scientific journals not free by pgabolde · · Score: 1

      You might want to check out http://www.doaj.org/ (Directory of open access journals)

    2. Re:most online scientific journals not free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find this a bit ironic. Science is an epistomological enterprise of creating knowledge by the open publication of results. However, the greedy for-profit academic publishers and professional societies know this wall. They have the academic community by the b*lls with their high subscription and publication page charges.

      I am a PhD student in an eastern european country and I know this exactly as my university cant afford to subscribe to JStor and ScienceDirect or the other big online scientific publication archives. Even our library is a pile of shit compared to any library of any western european /US university library. (well, not even too many people here take scientific research very seriously, but this is a chicken-and-egg problem).
      So for me this means that I have to hunt down the publicly available/working paper/etc versions of every single article that I'm interested in (therefore this new search engine will definitely be of immense help for me)

      Getting back to your point: the downside of the current academic publishing system is not only profit and greed, but rather the inertia of the whole system of peer review. The purpose of academic peer review would be of course to guarantee that you don't read bullshit in high-profile scientific journals. However due to the sociological nature of it all, it serves just as much to keep up current mainstream scientific ideas in contrast to novel, original ideas. So the peer review system _in_practice_ screens out not only the bullshit, but also relevant novel ideas. For example, in my field of study (economics) there are several cases of subsequent Nobel Prize laureates whose most important (and indeed original) articles were declined by leading journals for years.

      A good scientific publication search engine like this from Google could therefore make this whole system of scientific publishing (and therefore science) a lot more democratic - which it is intended to be, after all, think the open society of Karl Popper. The value of articles could be judged by the readers themselves, without having to _necessarily_ follow the judgments or misjudgments of other people (that is, peer reviewers), even if the knowledge of peer reviewers is generally much more profound about the specific topic than that of the average reader. But even then they cannot always avoid misjudgments. With such a search engine readers can get access more easily to any idea, even one that would be considered bullshit by journals. And who knows, maybe its the most brilliant idea of the century. If we dont get to know it, we cant find out.

  44. Exactly what I was looking for! by SportyGeek · · Score: 1

    Social Loathing

    Note the search results. I'm especially fond of the second

  45. Scholarly Google? by Quixote · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Search for Microsoft on Google Scholar: 173,000 hits
    Search for Yahoo on Google Scholar: 52,300 hits
    Search for Google on Google Scholar: 520,000 hits

    There are some things even an 18-year-old company can't buy... ;-)

    Laugh.. it's a joke.

  46. Scholar and literature searches by seraphina · · Score: 1

    Is there a list anywhere with the sources Google Scholar indexes? It's going to be tough to compete with PubMed (for biosciences anyway) which is free, and other things like Web Of Knowledge which isn't free but available at pretty much every academic institution here in the UK.

  47. I'm not even on it... by tsager · · Score: 1

    :-(
    Neither Germany nor Switzerland is on the map:
    http://www.keyhole.com/body.php?c=popup&h=ho me&t=f aqHome#seeMyHouse

    (Or should I be happy about this?)

  48. You all look like ants from up here! by Thud457 · · Score: 1
    Also, why is using this "for play" not a valid reason for it to be offered?

    These damn sims keep ignoring my commands. And the refresh rate is abominable. I sure hope they have a patch for this pronto!

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  49. yeah, but..... by sp3c1alK · · Score: 1

    I agree it's pretty damn cool, but is it worth the $30? I say i'm going to order, but I know I never will:(

    1. Re:yeah, but..... by prescot6 · · Score: 1

      Haha, yea... agreed. I was just showing it to my boss and I was saying "If I could only find a way to justify spending $30/yr on this..."

  50. Speaking of: Google's 4th quarter revenue warning by Nic-o-demus · · Score: 1

    Speaking of Google commercializing, looks like they've still got a bit of it to do:
    Google Shares Fall on Fourth Quarter Revenue Warning

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  51. The start??? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    "the start of real commercialism for Google" Ummm I guess those Google ads don't count? Do you maybe me the start of chargeing for services? I do not see a huge problem with this. If you want keyhole why not buy it. Frankly it looks almost as much fun as Everquest. And the price is low. i am looking forward to paying with it.

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  52. Can anyone log in or is it just me? by DebianDog · · Score: 1

    I cannot see to authenticate, it says "try back in 15 minutes". Cannot figure out if it is /.'ed or something is up with the firewall here at work...

    Anyone?

  53. New unit -- the "Terrabyte" -- oy. by ankhank · · Score: 1

    From the Keyhole page:

    "... Access 12+ Terrabytes of aerial and satellite imagery, including international cities (Beijing, Taipei, Havana, Paris, London, Rome, Montreal, Athens, Mexico City, Toronto and more)...."

  54. SCIrUS fights back by stm2 · · Score: 1

    Today I got en e-mail from SCIRUS and they state that they are better than Google in the search of science related information.
    The e-mail has an online version.

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    1. Re:SCIrUS fights back by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

      Scirus doesn't compare themselves to Google Scholar, though. Do some searches and compare. I just did. Google Scholar seems better, based on the searches I did. I'm not surprised at all.

  55. then why can't we find obl? by jasonhamilton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If we can monitor things so closely, can anyone explain to me why we can't watch iraq, or afganastan for movement by terrorists?

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    1. Re:then why can't we find obl? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Informative

      Its not that they can't see the areas effected, its that the resolution and refresh rate is too slow to pick up small scale movements.

      The military have access to much more data than this, and they still run into the same problems, when you see the movies zooming in and watching the henchman lighting a cigarette or blowing up a compound, you are seeing creative expression.

      Since Google obviously arent the government, they wont have access to the rawest, newest images.

      Infact, most of the sat images used are from relatively old passes, their site makes this clear:

      Keyhole continuously updates its database with the average age of imagery ranging from 18 to 24 months. Imagery can vary in age from as new as 2-3 months to as old as 2-3 years. Keyhole is increasingly taking advantage of satellite imagery to update the Keyhole database more aggressively.

      There is imagery for practically everywhere, but the resolution is only very high for certain areas (possibly augmented by none satellite, aerial photos?)

      There are numerous base maps taken from in and around iraq, for instance:

      Abu Ghurayb Nov 2002 0.7 Meter
      Baghdad (Entire city) 2002 2 Foot
      Najaf June 17, 2004 2 Foot

      Note however, that none of these are in the highest, perfect clarity, see the reflection from your headgear resolution.

      Infact, we will know when sats have reached this high res capability as a norm when Soldiers have their ID number painted on their helmets (Like buses and lorries do for helicopter identification)

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    2. Re:then why can't we find obl? by snarkh · · Score: 1

      How do you monitor a country with tens of million people and huge area for terrorists?


      Most terrorists do not carry a "bomb here" sign attached to the top of their head.

    3. Re:then why can't we find obl? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If we can monitor things so closely, can anyone explain to me why we can't watch iraq, or afganastan for movement by terrorists?

      Well you can certainly watch troop movements, a column of armor is pretty obvious as is artillery or even a group of uniformed soldiers. But I don't think that watching terrorists is really feasible because by their very nature terrorists tend to look like everyone else and blend into their surroundings.

    4. Re:then why can't we find obl? by notany · · Score: 1

      Because all them arabs and muslims use same kind of turbans?

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    5. Re:then why can't we find obl? by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 1

      If we can monitor things so closely, can anyone explain to me why we can't watch iraq, or afganastan for movement by terrorists?

      The higher the resolution of the data, the less frequently it can be obtained.

      Images of the earth at 1-km resolution are acquired by geosynchronous satellites about every 15 minutes (e.g. GOES).

      Images of the earth at 250-m resolution are acquired about once a day (e.g. MODIS)

      Images of the earth at 15-m resolution are acquired as often as once every two weeks (e.g. LandSat 7

      Data from the above three satellite instruments are publicly available. You could create your own database, if you had the bandwidth and storage capacity.

      There are other satellite instruments that take much higher-resolution images, but these are generally "targeting" instruments - you need to give them specific locations to capture, because there isn't enough storage and bandwidth to cover the entire earth regularly at that resolution. It typically takes weeks or months (if not longer) to create a high-resolution mosaic of something like a city.

      Note, though, that geosynchronous satellites are the only ones that could take continuous images of a particular location, and they're too far away to take high-resolution images. High-resolution imagers have to be taken from lower orbit, which means that the satellites are moving, and thus they can't stay focused on the same spot for very long.

      Also, many high-resolution images are taken from aircraft, not satellites. This is a convenient way to get high-resolution images of major cities, but this doesn't help us with reconnaisance in Iraq or Afghanistan, for obvious reasons...

    6. Re:then why can't we find obl? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Images of the earth at 15-m resolution are acquired as often as once every two weeks (e.g. LandSat 7 [nasa.gov]

      I wonder if these images could be summed to make very high resolution images (at least, the parts that hadn't moved/changed). I remember reading about a technique to make current film higher resolution by summing a frame with the frames immediately preceeding and following it.

  56. Also Web of Science by siskbc · · Score: 1
    We don't use Lexis-Nexis in the sciences (although I remember it from my debate days), but I believe this could seriously damage Web of Science by ISI. The searches on that are so horrible that I was using Google instead *before* google scholar came out. I could literally pick up a paper, select words from the title, enter them in the search, and WOS won't find the paper. Look it up by the authors, *then* it finds it. Piece of shit.

    I likely won't use WOS again, especially since they won't let me export references as BibTeX format anymore.

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    -Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat

  57. New unit?? by jrwillis · · Score: 1

    How is this a new unit?? I've had a couple TBs on a file server of mine for a couple years now.

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    Keep Austin Weird!
    1. Re:New unit?? by ankhank · · Score: 1

      You've pointed out that I failed in my attempt to be subtle in honoring the cute pun on their page -- where they use "Terrabyte" (instead of "terabyte") as the unit for their earth imaging data storage.

      It's all Greek to me.

  58. keyhole user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i have been a keyhole user for almost a year now, and i think keyhole rocks! Its the perfect compliment to all my GPS maps.

  59. Wow! 3" resolution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    San Deigo, Cambridge and Las Vegas has 3 inch resolution! That's amazing - I could clearly see my bald spot represented as a pixel while in my driveway!

  60. I am an author! by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

    Wow, thats a neat idea. I think I'll write stuff and put it up. Can't be all bad, Right? How many of us have google ads on our websites?

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  61. Smart Move... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Google's motives are obvious on this one... Think a better mapquest.

    Soon it will be free; I'm guessing it's only subscription based until they integrate into search.

  62. Re:Sonic hedgehog is essential to foregut developm by DrKyle · · Score: 1

    I am a biologist, namely a geneticist, and no, shh was not named for anything to do with protein appearance. There is a mutant in Drosophila (fruit flies) which was lethal in early development and the pattern of denticles (like a row of hairs on each segment of the larvae) was disrupted in a way that they named it hedgehog. As researchers found homologs (the same) gane in mammalian genomes and more copies of the gene they named them in the hedgehog family things like sonic hedgehog, indian hedgehog and desert hedgehog. Hedgehog proteins have since been found to be very important developmental signal proteins for things like limb and eye development.

  63. Huh! It does not work! by Cappella · · Score: 1


    Try the philosophical quote "To be or not to be" and it complained:

    The following words are very common and were not included in your search: to be to be. [details]
    Lowercase "or" was ignored. Try "OR" to search for either of two terms. [details]

    Well, not very helpful, is it? :)

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    Stealth Falcon
    1. Re:Huh! It does not work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Try the philosophical quote "To be or not to be" and it complained ...

      If you want a quote, but quote marks around it. The query

      "to be or not to be"

      yileds good results, while

      to be or not to be

      without the quotes does not mean what you think it does.

  64. Google scholar by S3D · · Score: 1

    I've found Google Scholar disappointing. It shows articles headers disregarding if they are available for free or not. Free articles are lost among payed content like portal.acm.org. If I have time and money to pay for article I don't need google. For free articles available on the web common Google is of more use then Google Scholar.

  65. iowa no longer part of the union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they don't even have my state (Iowa), oops?

  66. No, images are from AirPhotoUSA by ahecht · · Score: 2, Informative
    AirPhotoUSA is a private company which provides the aerial photography.

    The Government (actually the USGS) provides the aerial photography for places like http://terraserver.microsoft.com/

    1. Re:No, images are from AirPhotoUSA by nysus · · Score: 1

      When I look at the bottom of the maps in Keyhole, many of them say they are copyrighted by a government agency.

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      ---Technology will liberate us if it doesn't enslave us first.

  67. for real scholarly content I prefer by 1_brown_mouse · · Score: 1

    CrossRef Free DOI lookup to retrieve a link to a citation.

    They already provide linking technology to libraries and publishers.

    Alternatively, you can Google their content using restrict=crossref in the URL.

  68. but remote areas where we're searching for obl.. by jasonhamilton · · Score: 1

    The areas that I've heard described as locations for "secret caves" where OBL has been hiding can't get a lot of traffic. My point being, why send troops to random locations in remote areas with difficult terrain when we can monitor those areas and look for movement - sending our troops via parachute to those locations to investigate?

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  69. Hello by jrwillis · · Score: 1

    I'm a moron. That will be all. :-)

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    Keep Austin Weird!
  70. real commercialism? by shibuya_boy · · Score: 1

    "is this the start of real commercialism for google?"

    Last time I checked they were a public for profit company. And very profitable. Also closed-source. Like Microsoft. The idea that they are motived by anything other than the profit motive is hopelessly naive. Not that that makes them any different, better or worse than Apple, Sun or Coca-Cola.

    So no, this is not the start of "real commercialism". They started that when they took VC money.

  71. Re:Surely it's not wrong to link to your own compa by tierra · · Score: 1
    That's the same thing I was thinking.

    Did everyone miss the announcement here on /. 2-3 weeks ago?
    Google Acquires Keyhole Corp

    Aside from the announcement of Google Scholar, the rest shouldn't of been in the story.

  72. Satellite imagery?? by $tefan · · Score: 1
    Keyhole demonstation of street -level zoom has very interestingly distorted perspective.

    AFAIK parallel lines should appear parallel when seen from far, far away (where satellites normally are).

    Pay attention to corners of skyscrapers at the crossing of Copper ave and 3rd Street. Building corners are normally vertical, which also means they are parallel, but the angle between the upper right skyscraper and lover left building is just too BIG.

    This makes me believe that this image was not taken from a sattelite (not even low-orbiting one), but from a much lower altitude, and Keyhole may be decieving people with such advertising.

    1. Re:Satellite imagery?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo!

      You see that AirPhoto USA is providing the imagery?
      They provide aerial image services, both digital and film.

      Satellite imagery doesn't really cut it for 100% coverage. You just can't schedule your satellite to take photos of any city on a cloud free day sometime next week. They just aren't that flexible.

      Satellites are better at taking shots of areas that aren't usually very interesting to anyone in particular since they end up orbiting over those areas anyways, or of taking shots where governments might not want to since no one owns space.

  73. Try resetting your cookies. by sideshow · · Score: 1

    Back when Google was testing their new homepage I was the only one at my company who could see it, everyone else got the old homepage. I had everyone reset their cookies and after that about half of them got the new page.

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    Hollow words will burn and hollow men will burn.

  74. Keyhole Crash by CyNRG · · Score: 1

    Keyhole is cool. I downloaded it and installed it. Great! I'm running Windblows XP and my system cratered. REBOOT on it's own. I haven't had that happen in a long time. Be careful.

  75. http://www.space.com/ by agent · · Score: 1

    http://www.space.com/
    They had free software for a while, but I can not find the exe now.

    -Steve

  76. you got it backwards by geg81 · · Score: 1

    I also noticed that Google Scholar lists how many times a paper is cited by other works. This seems like an excellent use of PageRank technology.

    Actually, it's more like PageRank is an excellent application to the web of citation analysis, a long-established area of research that looks at documents and references between them.

  77. Link: 1600 pennsylvania ave Washington DC by rpcxdr · · Score: 1

    Here is the Keyhole link.

  78. Keyhole is astonishingly good! by SamDrake · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I saw the press release a few weeks ago announcing that Google had purchased Keyhole, and downloaded a copy. It's absolutely amazing.

    The program still has a few rough edges, but even at this stage it's the most fun I've ever had for $30 - at least 10 times more entertaining than the $50 that I blew on Doom 3 ("every black pixel carefully rendered by hand").

    Keyhole combined aerial photography with topographic data. It uses the topo data to construct a 3-D surface that maps to the actual terrain. It then lays the aerial photography down on the 3-D surface to provide a 3-D model of the terrain. You can fly through the 3-D space just like you were in a helicopter.

    For mountainous areas the 3-D representation is eerily realistic. The skyline as viewed from my house looks PRECISELY like the view out my window.

    You can also lay down custom images on top of the terrain. I took a trail map of the park by my house and easily laid it down on top of the park itself. By controlling the opacity of the map, I could easily use the map to help identify buildings and trails that I could see on the photos. There are lots of custom overlays on their bbs - so you can, for example, lay the nighttime light map of the world on top of the real world, and fade back-n-forth from the daytime view via keyhole and the nighttime view. Fun for answering the question, "so what city is THAT bright spot?"

    Cities look a bit silly in 3D, since the topo data doesn't know about building heights. Manhattan is pretty flat, with lots of tall buildings painted on the ground. But mountains look unbelievably realistic.

    I've shown it to about a dozen people since I got it, and at least 4 have purchased their own copy.

    In short, it's an infinite timesink. Lots of fun.

  79. Not impressed here by PalmKiller · · Score: 1

    I came, I saw, I played with it. In most cases the 2 feet resolution (in a few cases as low as 3 inches, sometimes 1 feet and many times a meter or two) was blurry and at best a toy I tired of after 15 minutes. Even the places that were 3 inch resolution (think of it as a 3 inch wide pixel) were not that impressive unless you were just looking for the overall layout (which you can pretty much get from a map). On the other hand if you like looking out the window on a plan flight at the ground, this is a safe home experience of something quite similar.

  80. Just used Google Scholar by La+Camiseta · · Score: 1

    In just 5 minutes of using Google Scholar, I've found more papers on language revitalization and cultural identity that actually pertain to the topic than I've been able to find through hours of digging through the hundreds of databases that our university library subscribes to.

    To say that it rocks is nothing short of a massive understatement.

    1. Re:Just used Google Scholar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you happen to ask a librarian for help in all those hours?

    2. Re:Just used Google Scholar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody who would say "That ROX!!!" is doing any worthwhile research.

    3. Re:Just used Google Scholar by La+Camiseta · · Score: 1

      yeah, unfortunatelly, they weren't any help, they just pointed me to the same databases that I was searching through anyways.

      And most of the "librarians" here are nothing more than student workers anyways.

      I guess that there's not much interest in language revitalization programs in relation to cultural identity and norms of that process across different cultures.

  81. finally, the web in a form we can research on by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    Finally, the web might be available in a form which we can actually do research on again. That'll be nice.

    Google should make a "Hobbyist" portal which only has data on various hobbyist sites, such as RC cars/planes/etc., electronics, home automation, linux, anachronism, etc. That would tweak my noodle.

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  82. thanks for once again only supporting a PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Google... students all over the world rely on you. Why do you assume that they only use a Microsoft Product. First google bar, now this. Impress us next time... spend the extra time and money to launch something cross-platform. IE... Linux, Mac, and PC.... Look, I'm to expert, but take a hint from Firefox.

  83. Worldwind's landsat 7 server is never available by poopie · · Score: 1

    Worldwind is great if you don't want to get high-res data, and if you don't need to polish of keyhole viewer.

    Landsat 7 servers are almost never reachable, so you end up downloading 5gb of cache data to your drive and they you still don't have the high-res data you want when you zoom in.

    But... if you want to view different maps on the world to visualize different data, it's a good framework.

    Personally, I wish worldwind would roll their support and development behind celestia (which runs on all platforms) and stop using .NET.

    That said, there's nothing available for $30/year that even comes close to Keyhole

  84. ISI by lakeland · · Score: 1

    I have free access to ISI through work, but I haven't used it in years because of the awful interface. It is slow and kludgy, I can invariably find things faster using google + citeseer.

  85. Keyhole rocks for geocachers and world travellers by Asakura_Joe · · Score: 1

    I downloaded the 7-day trial version, and I have to say, I've had most of my office stopping by my room to check out the absolute coolness of Keyhole.

    This product seems extremely useful to me. I'm a geocacher. (if you're a member, my username is "virosa") I have purchased several maps from Garmin, but their maps are fairly expensive (typically $100 or more), and don't have every little dirt trail clearly marked, which are usually what I wind up on eventually. The Keyhole maps may not have every road labelled, but you can visually SEE the dirt trails that are there. This is great for reconning a geocaching location for good ways to approach, and large hazards. After all, that thin line that says "creek" on my GPS may be an unfordable river, or it could be a dry bed. I don't have to guess with Keyhole.

    I also like to travel to places that aren't your typical tourist fare. I try to pick one country a year and wander around backpacking for 2 or more weeks. This year was Turkey (OK, it isn't tourist fare for us in the U.S.). Last year was Romania. Garmin GPS maps SUCK for these locations, and for any location that isn't really metropolitan. While the Keyhole software doesn't have any resolution for Turkey (haven't checked Romania yet), the resolution for other backwoods places like Iraq and Afghanistan is remarkable! Places like these would maybe have one airport listed on them with Garmin maps, and here I get tons of detail, including topography!

    Which leads me to another cool tie-in. I like first person shooter games. I also like watching current war events in the news. I went to Kumawar's website and learned to combine these two likes. Kumawar offers you missions that are based on recent world events, such as battles in Najaf, Sadr, and the assassination of Sadam's two sons. Kumawar has recreated these locals with real attention to the actual architecture of where these battles took place -- keyhole adds one more level of understanding to what was happening, since I can actually look at Sadr or Najaf and see how all the buildings are positioned. History always kinda bored me. With these two tools, it really cements current events into my mind.

    If I'm going somewhere new by car, and I have the address, I used to use a free service like this one so that I could just GPS my way there. Keyhole gives me some more detail.

    Did I mention the fact that most of these satellite shots are 6+ years more recent than Microsoft's terraserver images?

    Now having said all that, there are a few things that Keyhole really has to work out.

    1) No way to enter Lat/Lon coordinates. It will display them, sure, but if I really want to zoom in on 38N 77W, I have to do some tricky stuff with my mouse.

    2) Puting in addresses is touchy. I have to say that Puerto Rico is the U.S. It will find "Kirby St", but not "Kirby Street". Little things like that.

    3) Many countries have absolutely no resolution. I wanted to show some buddies of mine one of the most amazing sites in Turkey, but the entire country is a blur. Even a huge city like Istanbul has no imagery.

    4) Right now, there's no support for any coordinate types other than Decimal degrees and Degrees/minutes/seconds. UTM and MGRS support would R0xx0r.

    5) A way to export points of interest onto my GPS would double-r0xx0r.

    I still think this is a winner. I'll definately be giving them my $30.

  86. Re:Keyhole rocks for geocachers and world travelle by Asakura_Joe · · Score: 1

    I almost forgot to mention -- some way to download permanent information about a certain site would make this a competition killer. (seeing how I don't typically have a highspeed connection when I'm climbing through the back country)

  87. Look at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave on Keyhole... by mogrify · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It looks like the rooftops of the White House and the buildings next to it have had things drawn over them. Too bad... I wanted to check out the rumor I've always heard that there are anti-aircraft guns on the roof of 1600.

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  88. Don't tar all journals with the same brush by reptilicus · · Score: 2, Informative

    ---Unlike most online newspapers and magazines, almost all the scientific journals I know of require a paid subscription to access.---

    Actually, many journals these days allow open access for all articles after a certain amount of time, 12 months in some cases, 6 months in others.

    ---The exception are the couple of new bioscience journals in the Public Library of Science and the physics pre-print server (not peer-reviewed). But even that the author must pay $1500 for the cost of review and webification. ---

    Note that the PLOS journals are all being financed by heavy endowments, and the author pays method of publishing a journal has so far not been proven to be economically viable.

    ---However, the greedy for-profit academic publishers and professional societies know this wall. They have the academic community by the b*lls with their high subscription and publication page charges----

    Do you really think that most scientific societies are out to make a profit? Most that I've been involved with do a great deal for their communities. Most are almost entirely funded through proceeds from the journals they publish. Take these away, and you lose all of the good deeds that societies do for scientists. Remove their ability to publish, and societies vanish, and then all of the journals are in the hands of the greedy for-profit publishers. Is this what you want?

    ---Hopefully Google Scholar will do an end-run around these and provide a more accessable search service.---

    Nope. You can search all you like on Google, but unless you subscribe to the journal, or the paper is open access, you can't read the full text.

    This all may change with the proposed new NIH guidelines.

  89. unfortunately by t35t0r · · Score: 1

    even though google scholar now searches through technical documents (without bringing up junk hits), if you aren't a member of some university which actually has unfettered access to the sites holding the journals and articles, you won't be able to get access. for example:

    http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=test&ie=UTF-8& oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search

    click the first link and you'll see what i mean.

  90. Re:Sonic hedgehog is essential to foregut developm by Rescate · · Score: 1

    Spurred on by your additional info, I poked around to find out more about shh. I took a look at a Sonic Hedgehog page at Davidson College. I was surprised to find out that shh gets its name from the video game character. "The first two homologues of hedgehog were named after species of hedgehog and the third was named after the video game character (Gilbert, 2000)."

    A press release over at the University of Chicago Hospitals site elaborated: "Researchers found three different versions of the "hedgehog" gene but only two kinds of real hedgehogs, so they named the third gene after the cartoon character."

    I know you said they named them after things in the hedgehog family, so I assumed there must be an actual "sonic hedgehog" to go along with the Indian and desert hedgehog. No less likely that the animal would have a crazy name than the protein, I figured. My ignorance shows once again...

    And Halo-, looks like you had a point about biologists, physicists, and computer geeks assigning crazy names to things.

  91. Google vs. Citeseer vanity search by Laaserboy · · Score: 1

    Google Scholar seems like it's just a much better interface to the same idea

    I agree. Some quick results of a vanity search. I found all of my papers and more through Google. Citeseer found none of them. I'm still hunting. Google even found papers where I was listed as an author which I did not know existed.

    It is interesting that Google (bombing|spamming) in the world of article references predates Google. Want a promotion in the academy? Cite yourself hundreds of times in your own articles, and your citation count goes through the roof, like this. Promotions and disgust from colleagues usually follow.

  92. Things you can see with 3-inch Resolution by billstewart · · Score: 1
    There's a lot you can see with 3-inch (0.33 dpi :-) resolution that simply doesn't show up at more typical 1-meter or 5-meter resolutions. Obviously this isn't continuous moving pictures - it's a static image from whenever the satellite was staring at a given location for long enough. But it should be more than enough to see whatever cars were parked in your driveway when the bird was there, and to see your house pretty well. It can show whatever people were visible - the resolution's too low to recognize them, and I don't know how long the exposure takes so moving people or moving cars might just be a faint blur. But people staying in one place should have recognizable colors, or if you're looking at pictures of grassland it should be easy to count the larger animals, etc.

    Back when one of the free mapping programs had aerial photos (for a much smaller set of locations), I was able to see my car parked on my street (I think the resolution was between 0.25-1 meter per pixel), and I was able to see that a street had a divider down the middle (so I could tell that the driving directions didn't support a left turn there...)

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  93. Scanalyzer by zoydoid · · Score: 1

    "...speculation about how a sufficiently competent search engine could write the news itself.":

    John Brunner covered this (and much more) in his 1970 sci-fi classic "Stand on Zanzibar".

  94. Re:Satellite imagery - for play _and_ for work by Max+Novak · · Score: 1

    I loved the flyover feature of the old Microsoft software atlases of the 90's. Better than the wireframe of Flight Simulator, but still only granular to a mile square, if I remember correctly. I look forward to flying over Paris, London, my old home town, my ancestors' villages, and who knows where else. And....Retail and chain restaurant real estate people (the folks who decide where to put the stores) will certainly use these systems, and not just for fun. I worked in the trade area group at a "big box" retailer, and two of our staff would fly out to whatever city where a new store was proposed, drive around, drink a lot of coffee, take a lot of pictures, and mark up maps with competitors' locations, apparent traffic flows, and whatever else they could see that seemed relevant. Back at the office, the maps were pinned with population demographics, planned highway or other development info, etc. Companies with smaller stores do the same thing without the travel, and frequently miss some salient characteristics. I see these folks using such mapping, with geo-coded data laid over the photos, to plan locations better. And whenever you get the urge to say some technology has no use beyond amusement, remember that the head of Western Union said the same thing about the telephone (unless he didn't).

    --
    "Quantum Mechanics Do It Differently If You Watch"
  95. Re:Sonic hedgehog is essential to foregut developm by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

    There's actually an interesting web site which keeps a database of interesting gene names. There's genes like ken and barbie (for drosophila lacking genitalia), maggie (for where development seems to stop, like in certain simpsons characters), tribbles (dividing uncontrollably), and tigger (constant jumping).

  96. Looking for oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are there any Iran maps in the new map tool?
    Thanks. - Hal I. Burton