Look don't feel sorry for the customers affected, feel jealous. I sure do!! MediaOnes customers in Metro Detroit are getting the absolute best service at the best prices MediaOne has to offer. They all have cable modems, digital cable and pay no more than $29 a month, and some pay as little as $22. I live less than one mile from this Cable Heaven yet it might as well be a light year. I am surrounded by MediaOne here in Farmington Hills serviced by Time Warner on an expired contract paying $37 a month for analog cable we won't ever have cable modems. We are in cable hell. Let me say this one more time: THE CABLE INDUSTRY IS WORSE THAN MICROSOFT!!! But not because of companies like MediaOne, because of companies like Time Warner.
Ok, we've had this debate before. Which is more important native apps or WINE. This is simply a chicken-egg problem. I agree it'll be a long time before every new game or cool application is released on Windows and Linux at the same time so WINE is important especially for the games because all office suites are the same for the most part but no two games are alike. However, if I'm a Windows user why would I switch to Linux if the only applications are just Windows applications emulating on Linux? Yes I know that Corel is developing wine gtk to make them native Linux apps, but still you do need to have applications that are native to Linux to get the Windows user to switch even to a dual boot. So yeah, that's it. Wow it just hit me! You need the native applications to get them to even install Linux on a secondary partition, but WINE to get them to remove Windows altogether. So I guess you're kind of right.
Is it just me or does this sound a lot like Starbucks the coffeshop. Do you think they could get sued for copyright infringment. I mean both companies deal with Java. Plus what reference could they have been making, what other Starbucks is there.
Linus didn't write linux.
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People don't freak out this is no big deal. I'm sure when they get enough complaints their get a contract for real FaxModems. If we can break down the M$ OEM Monopoly like we're doing, this will be no sweat. The barriers and exclusive contracts we have to get around are nothing compared to what we've just overcome. I also remember them saying they'd NEVER put Linux on a computer, then they'd never put Linux on a desktop. Do you really think their going make this big of a fuss about WinModems>
Oh, I'm not sure that they even have to pay Redhat anything even if they do use their names. Otherwise how do cheapbytes and LinuxMall give away CDs that say Redhat Linux on it for $2? I would have to imagine the licensing fee would be more than $2.
Look, Redhat isn't doing anything wrong nor is anybody else who's trying to make a buck off Linux. They are forcing anybody to do anything, nor are they controlling the market in anyway. You can even buy a cheapbytes, or linuxmall knockoff for $2. How is RedHat doing anything wrong? I'll bet Linus buys official versions.
I guess nitsuj is right. If you only need to make a change to WINE when there is a change in the Win32 API, then I guess this is a good deal. I also guess I wasn't quite understanding of what Corel was doing in using it port rather than just use on the emulator. If this is the case, then I guess it is a good idea.
Linuxcare was even mentioned by Willow Bay on CNN!! You guys really got to get the word out about your company. IMHO, Linux support is possibly the opportunity with the most growth in the entire tech market. I mean how many other service do you have every major company practically begging for.
I agree this is an outrage if you can't get a cable modem. They'll be charging people who are being screwed by their cable companies more money than those who are getting good deals.
I would have very little problem with this if everybody had the same cable deal. The problem is some of us are being held hostage by our cable companies. The cable industry is worse than Microsoft!! The cable industry is by far the most corrupt industry in America. I hope I'm offending people. Why should I be charged this rate when I have no other option but dial-up ISP. It will make dial-up ISP more money than cable modems. This penalizes people whose cable companies are treating them like crap and won't give them cable modems. This is an outrage!!! Now I'm going to flame my cable company until they install cable modems. Of course we are the lowest priority for them of their districts and don't even have a contract. We won't be getting cable until at least 2001, while all the people in surrounding districts already have them. This is an outrage!!!
Except that they really didn't mention any other distributiions. Or they didn't mention any of the other gui projects or other attempts to make Linux easier to use. One of the big complaints is that fvwmX isn't that easy to configure. Showing how good KDE is would be important to businesses. However I agree interviewing RMS would've just turned way too many people off(I hope you're not offended RMS if you read this). It's just Linus is just a way better person to market. Although they didn't give a complete overview of the Linux world with all the distributions and the GNU software, they really hammered away at what has been the main complaint of big corporations, lack of support. I can't honestly think that someone could walk away from the TV and think that there wasn't ANY support for Linux. Then again I'm sure lots of people walked away from the Juanita Broderick interview still thinking Bill Clinton has never lied, sorry had to mention that someplace
That is not the official Linux. I believe it or not got that box from OfficeMax for free!! It was one of those $39-$39 rebate deals where you only pay for the sales tax and postage stamp. The differenc is the 3rd disk which contains free Linux software as opposed to commercial demos. Frankly I'd rather have the free stuff than a demo
It was bad timing because it had to conflict with the Grammys and the Juanita Broderick coverage on MSNBC, CNBC, and Fox News. I know I missed it.
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Well, they didn't really even mention the word distribution. Just that Red Hat was one place to get Linux. They really didn't mention another company. The only other company they mentioned was the newly created LinuxCare which doesn't make distributions only supports them. I think LinuxCare is going to be one HOT company. Can anybody say IPO?
There's no way Bill would let them schedule them at the same time because he knows that nobody would show up at his. I mean even if your're just a normal mainstream media person, you probably rather see Linus for the first time than Bill Gates for the 10th, right? Well I know I would.
It's probably about the same as working for any local cable company in a monopoly district like mine Time Warner Cable of Oakland County Michigan. It also must be bad working for Northwest Airlines in Detroit Metro Airport where Northwest controls over 80% of the flights. Not surprisingly they get a lot of antagonism from their costumers on a daily basis as we pay by far the highest rates in the country. You know this LITTLE and I do mean little American Airlines strike. Here the Northwest Strike was 10 times bigger than the AMR strike in NY. Were talking it was the top story for about 3 months as we had essentially no other opion. That's just one of problems you have to face when you are a monopoly. Whenever something goes wrong, people have the right to question it and think that it was just because they have a monopoly. The only people who can hold a major position without having it keep them up every night are usually the hard core corporate republican backers, like head of the consumer affairs for Northwest Airlines at Metro is a heavy Republican backer and she's woman. Not surprisingly she has been the most chastized person in the state this past year. I have done more than my part.
When will microsoft support linux?
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What's up with this guy? What kind of a protest was this? There wasn't marijuana at this protest was there? I don't know but this guy's been smoking something.
Well there are pro's and cons. Yes, it gave Micro$oft and excuse to say they were closed. However, we were previously told that they would be open. Holidays are generally slower news days giving less competition for TV time or inches in the paper. Plus this is the first weekday after the impeachment trial. People have allegedly been saying that they are sick of this trial and sick of all of the coverage. Although I don't think it will be over for awhile, I do think that on this first weekday after the trial the news shows on CNBC, CNN, and MSNBC(well maybe not MSNBC althougth they did have an interview with Linus) will make an honest effort to cover something else. Tomorrow it will be back to the normal of the parsing Slick Willies words.
The Real Issue:Disregard the EULA as they see fitE
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Well, if they can disregard the EULA as they see fit, then so can I. So I'll just make 100 CD burns of my Win95 CD that I got with this DELL Latitude that I'm using and distribute them to 100 different people. If some of the EULA is null and void than all of it is.
It's almost 1:30 or 10:30 pst. When are we going to get some updates about how the refund demonstration has gone. I'm in Michigan so I'm not anywhere near a protest site.
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But can you imagine if it had the computing power of a NetWinder or a cheap PC, that would change things.
Look don't feel sorry for the customers affected, feel jealous. I sure do!! MediaOnes customers in Metro Detroit are getting the absolute best service at the best prices MediaOne has to offer. They all have cable modems, digital cable and pay no more than $29 a month, and some pay as little as $22. I live less than one mile from this Cable Heaven yet it might as well be a light year. I am surrounded by MediaOne here in Farmington Hills serviced by Time Warner on an expired contract paying $37 a month for analog cable we won't ever have cable modems. We are in cable hell. Let me say this one more time:
THE CABLE INDUSTRY IS WORSE THAN MICROSOFT!!!
But not because of companies like MediaOne, because of companies like Time Warner.
Ok, we've had this debate before. Which is more important native apps or WINE. This is simply a chicken-egg problem. I agree it'll be a long time before every new game or cool application is released on Windows and Linux at the same time so WINE is important especially for the games because all office suites are the same for the most part but no two games are alike.
However, if I'm a Windows user why would I switch to Linux if the only applications are just Windows applications emulating on Linux? Yes I know that Corel is developing wine gtk to make them native Linux apps, but still you do need to have applications that are native to Linux to get the Windows user to switch even to a dual boot.
So yeah, that's it. Wow it just hit me! You need the native applications to get them to even install Linux on a secondary partition, but WINE to get them to remove Windows altogether. So I guess you're kind of right.
"It also has nothing to do w/ coffee. :) " :)!
Well, like I said before it they both serve
"Java"
Is it just me or does this sound a lot like Starbucks the coffeshop. Do you think they could get sued for copyright infringment. I mean both companies deal with Java. Plus what reference could they have been making, what other Starbucks is there.
I don't get it.
People don't freak out this is no big deal. I'm sure when they get enough complaints their get a contract for real FaxModems. If we can break down the M$ OEM Monopoly like we're doing, this will be no sweat. The barriers and exclusive contracts we have to get around are nothing compared to what we've just overcome. I also remember them saying they'd NEVER put Linux on a computer, then they'd never put Linux on a desktop. Do you really think their going make this big of a fuss about WinModems>
Oh, I'm not sure that they even have to pay Redhat anything even if they do use their names. Otherwise how do cheapbytes and LinuxMall give away CDs that say Redhat Linux on it for $2? I would have to imagine the licensing fee would be more than $2.
Look, Redhat isn't doing anything wrong nor is anybody else who's trying to make a buck off Linux. They are forcing anybody to do anything, nor are they controlling the market in anyway. You can even buy a cheapbytes, or linuxmall knockoff for $2. How is RedHat doing anything wrong? I'll bet Linus buys official versions.
I guess nitsuj is right. If you only need to make a change to WINE when there is a change in the Win32 API, then I guess this is a good deal. I also guess I wasn't quite understanding of what Corel was doing in using it port rather than just use on the emulator. If this is the case, then I guess it is a good idea.
Who cares WHY they're doing? They're doing it!
Linuxcare was even mentioned by Willow Bay on CNN!! You guys really got to get the word out about your company. IMHO, Linux support is possibly the opportunity with the most growth in the entire tech market. I mean how many other service do you have every major company practically begging for.
I agree this is an outrage if you can't get a cable modem. They'll be charging people who are being screwed by their cable companies more money than those who are getting good deals.
I would have very little problem with this if everybody had the same cable deal. The problem is some of us are being held hostage by our cable companies. The cable industry is worse than Microsoft!! The cable industry is by far the most corrupt industry in America. I hope I'm offending people. Why should I be charged this rate when I have no other option but dial-up ISP. It will make dial-up ISP more money than cable modems. This penalizes people whose cable companies are treating them like crap and won't give them cable modems. This is an outrage!!! Now I'm going to flame my cable company until they install cable modems. Of course we are the lowest priority for them of their districts and don't even have a contract. We won't be getting cable until at least 2001, while all the people in surrounding districts already have them. This is an outrage!!!
Except that they really didn't mention any other distributiions. Or they didn't mention any of the other gui projects or other attempts to make Linux easier to use. One of the big complaints is that fvwmX isn't that easy to configure. Showing how good KDE is would be important to businesses. However I agree interviewing RMS would've just turned way too many people off(I hope you're not offended RMS if you read this). It's just Linus is just a way better person to market.
Although they didn't give a complete overview of the Linux world with all the distributions and the GNU software, they really hammered away at what has been the main complaint of big corporations, lack of support. I can't honestly think that someone could walk away from the TV and think that there wasn't ANY support for Linux. Then again I'm sure lots of people walked away from the Juanita Broderick interview still thinking Bill Clinton has never lied, sorry had to mention that someplace
That is not the official Linux. I believe it or not got that box from OfficeMax for free!! It was one of those $39-$39 rebate deals where you only pay for the sales tax and postage stamp. The differenc is the 3rd disk which contains free Linux software as opposed to commercial demos. Frankly I'd rather have the free stuff than a demo
It was bad timing because it had to conflict with the Grammys and the Juanita Broderick coverage on MSNBC, CNBC, and Fox News. I know I missed it.
Well, they didn't really even mention the word distribution. Just that Red Hat was one place to get Linux. They really didn't mention another company. The only other company they mentioned was the newly created LinuxCare which doesn't make distributions only supports them. I think LinuxCare is going to be one HOT company. Can anybody say IPO?
There's no way Bill would let them schedule them at the same time because he knows that nobody would show up at his. I mean even if your're just a normal mainstream media person, you probably rather see Linus for the first time than Bill Gates for the 10th, right? Well I know I would.
It's probably about the same as working for any local cable company in a monopoly district like mine Time Warner Cable of Oakland County Michigan. It also must be bad working for Northwest Airlines in Detroit Metro Airport where Northwest controls over 80% of the flights. Not surprisingly they get a lot of antagonism from their costumers on a daily basis as we pay by far the highest rates in the country. You know this LITTLE and I do mean little American Airlines strike. Here the Northwest Strike was 10 times bigger than the AMR strike in NY. Were talking it was the top story for about 3 months as we had essentially no other opion. That's just one of problems you have to face when you are a monopoly. Whenever something goes wrong, people have the right to question it and think that it was just because they have a monopoly. The only people who can hold a major position without having it keep them up every night are usually the hard core corporate republican backers, like head of the consumer affairs for Northwest Airlines at Metro is a heavy Republican backer and she's woman. Not surprisingly she has been the most chastized person in the state this past year. I have done more than my part.
What's up with this guy? What kind of a protest was this? There wasn't marijuana at this protest was there? I don't know but this guy's been smoking something.
Well there are pro's and cons. Yes, it gave Micro$oft and excuse to say they were closed. However, we were previously told that they would be open. Holidays are generally slower news days giving less competition for TV time or inches in the paper. Plus this is the first weekday after the impeachment trial. People have allegedly been saying that they are sick of this trial and sick of all of the coverage. Although I don't think it will be over for awhile, I do think that on this first weekday after the trial the news shows on CNBC, CNN, and MSNBC(well maybe not MSNBC althougth they did have an interview with Linus) will make an honest effort to cover something else. Tomorrow it will be back to the normal of the parsing Slick Willies words.
Well, if they can disregard the EULA as they see fit, then so can I. So I'll just make 100 CD burns of my Win95 CD that I got with this DELL Latitude that I'm using and distribute them to 100 different people. If some of the EULA is null and void than all of it is.
It's almost 1:30 or 10:30 pst. When are we going to get some updates about how the refund demonstration has gone. I'm in Michigan so I'm not anywhere near a protest site.
Ok I agree with that