So anything not free is a predatory social system that keeps people in a state of domination and division?
Well, yes - if you're not free then something or someone must have dominion over you. But some people feel that there are advantages that outweigh the disadvantages. RMS doesn't. But he's mad.
For example: If you release it under the US copyright system, one copy is allowed, thats it, no exceptions
No, that's just the minimum. The law specifically states that the owner may allow any other forms of copying that s/he sees fit.
The GPL does not over-rule this, it simply makes use of the option to relax the rules for your own work. Which is why this is such a stupid argument to make; it simply has no basis in law.
Linux kernel developers would probably have the offending pieces rewritten in a week and back-ported to all 2.4/2.5 kernels within another week.
Which is what they should want if they are really suffering damage; they can still sue for past damages. By not revealing the code SCO are giving a judge a very clear signal that they are not suffering enough to need the code removed ASAP and don't therefore need any major compensation.
Online banking is CRITICAL to the success of the project.
Maybe for you. There are lots of people for whom the ability to import from QucikBooks is much more important. Until that is in place, GnuCash is an interesting toy.
Also, these people are the ones that will pay for a decent boxed set with manual.
In other words -- again -- Perens started shooting off his mouth about possible bad intentions from IBM before even discussing it with IBM.
The mass of people that make up IBM are currently friendly to Linux. The mass of people that make up IBM in ten years time may or may not be. Patents are a gun mounted on a 360-degree pivot; it is better to get rid of them rather than cheering them on just because today they're firing the way you want them to. They certainly are not needed to crush the crooks at SCO.
You're right, I don't, and neither does anyone else.
Yeah, I can see why that's "Insightful": no one uses the Gimp or has to analyse large datasets with their computer. What a bunch of fucking brain surgeons, as they say.
The time to install from source halves every 18 months. Already, entry-level systems can compile a Gentoo desktop system up from stage1 to everything-except-OO in a day (and OO can be installed as a binary) and a server can be up and running in a couple of hours so compile time is not a big deal and gets less so every day.
Given how much better Portage is than any of the other management systems, I'd say Redhat is going to suffer big loses at the hands of Gentoo (Debian would too but the effect will be drowned out by the damage Debian is doing to Debian).
So far I've converted six machines to Gentoo, all from Redhat because I couldn't face upgrading with RPMs anymore.
but, realistically, how often do you do those things in the normal case?
You obviously don't use GIMP or analyse OS mapping data much. I have the RAM to get the info into memory, IO is not an issue for much of my work.
Having said that, portage is the main reason I've converted all my machines to Gentoo; it's just not a serious option to go back to RPM based systems after using it for a week or so.
"One perfect example of this is Zebra, the advanced dynamic routing software package. By opening the firmware file directly, as well as by making queries through the makeshift ping interface mentioned earlier, we noticed that the zebra running on the WRT54G doesn't use the standard configuration file locations. This means that it must certainly be a modified binary." He also mentions that Linksys seems to have used a modified GCC to compile their software, "with a signature string of "GCC: (GNU) 3.0 20010422 (prerelease) with bcm4710a0 modifications"). That bcm4710 refers to the Broadcom chipset that this AP is actually made from."
So: Linksys openly say they use a GPL'd program. Investigation shows that the distributed program's actions have been changed. Linksys do not provide the source for these changes. They are in violation of the GPL.
Where does that fit into SCO's model of saying that something somewhere has been copied but they can't say what and they won't clarify if they put it there or prove that they owned it in the first place?
I normally write Forth using files, and try to constrain my definitions to one line. (I bet you didn't expect THAT response;
You're right! (although the low user id should have been a warning). Personally I aim for two lines but anyway,
The difference is that in Python, you can start out doing something completely non-OO if you want. And you know, sometimes that's appropriate.
I write a lot of Perl and I always do it non-OO. I've tried various OO-languages and I do think that, especially when starting out, the more constraints that force you to use objects the better. Although that might be a result of having been brought up on non-OO languages (and being a keen assembler).
and the fact that it doesn't enforce it doesn't cause any more bad code than the fact that Smalltalk doesn't enforce the Law of Demeter causes bad code.
Idealistic. In the real world with real people working to real deadlines, it does.
Another example of this sort of thing is found in modern Forth systems which allow flat files for source code. There's no reason not to continue write small, well tested, tight code with 2 to 15 lines of code per routine but most people don't and as a result their code sucks. But it's easier to write (but not to debug or understand) and that's why they do it.
an elegant language that offers object-oriented programming support,
If you want OO, use Smalltalk. OO "support" is a wate of time: look at C++ or Perl; the result is half-arsed programs that lapse back into non-OO anytime the programmer hits a tricky bit and decides to just copy the code out of some C book somewhere.
Either use OO all the way through your program or not at all, the same goes double for your programming language.
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Well, yes - if you're not free then something or someone must have dominion over you. But some people feel that there are advantages that outweigh the disadvantages. RMS doesn't. But he's mad.
TWW
No, that's just the minimum. The law specifically states that the owner may allow any other forms of copying that s/he sees fit.
The GPL does not over-rule this, it simply makes use of the option to relax the rules for your own work. Which is why this is such a stupid argument to make; it simply has no basis in law.
TWW
Idiots.
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Which is what they should want if they are really suffering damage; they can still sue for past damages. By not revealing the code SCO are giving a judge a very clear signal that they are not suffering enough to need the code removed ASAP and don't therefore need any major compensation.
TWW
Maybe for you. There are lots of people for whom the ability to import from QucikBooks is much more important. Until that is in place, GnuCash is an interesting toy.
Also, these people are the ones that will pay for a decent boxed set with manual.
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If enough people link then you'll get it coming up for just "SCO", which is what you really want.
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The mass of people that make up IBM are currently friendly to Linux. The mass of people that make up IBM in ten years time may or may not be. Patents are a gun mounted on a 360-degree pivot; it is better to get rid of them rather than cheering them on just because today they're firing the way you want them to. They certainly are not needed to crush the crooks at SCO.
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When was that and how long for? As far as I know there are two paying options which cover pretty well all TV: pay via your shopping or a licence/tax.
Or did you perhaps think that the money spent on TV ads wasn't recouped by the companies concerned every time you buy their products?
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I think I'll resort to Scottish law and find them "not proven"...
TWW
To be fair, the ebuild was installing from the CVS tree which was provided for the use of developers, not for massive numbers of downloads.
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But if you tell me that I'm breaking the law by not buying your Internet licence, then that's fraud and that's illegal.
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Yeah, I can see why that's "Insightful": no one uses the Gimp or has to analyse large datasets with their computer. What a bunch of fucking brain surgeons, as they say.
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Given how much better Portage is than any of the other management systems, I'd say Redhat is going to suffer big loses at the hands of Gentoo (Debian would too but the effect will be drowned out by the damage Debian is doing to Debian).
So far I've converted six machines to Gentoo, all from Redhat because I couldn't face upgrading with RPMs anymore.
TWW
You obviously don't use GIMP or analyse OS mapping data much. I have the RAM to get the info into memory, IO is not an issue for much of my work.
Having said that, portage is the main reason I've converted all my machines to Gentoo; it's just not a serious option to go back to RPM based systems after using it for a week or so.
TWW
"One perfect example of this is Zebra, the advanced dynamic routing software package. By opening the firmware file directly, as well as by making queries through the makeshift ping interface mentioned earlier, we noticed that the zebra running on the WRT54G doesn't use the standard configuration file locations. This means that it must certainly be a modified binary." He also mentions that Linksys seems to have used a modified GCC to compile their software, "with a signature string of "GCC: (GNU) 3.0 20010422 (prerelease) with bcm4710a0 modifications"). That bcm4710 refers to the Broadcom chipset that this AP is actually made from."
So: Linksys openly say they use a GPL'd program. Investigation shows that the distributed program's actions have been changed. Linksys do not provide the source for these changes. They are in violation of the GPL.
Where does that fit into SCO's model of saying that something somewhere has been copied but they can't say what and they won't clarify if they put it there or prove that they owned it in the first place?
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You're right! (although the low user id should have been a warning). Personally I aim for two lines but anyway,
The difference is that in Python, you can start out doing something completely non-OO if you want. And you know, sometimes that's appropriate.
I write a lot of Perl and I always do it non-OO. I've tried various OO-languages and I do think that, especially when starting out, the more constraints that force you to use objects the better. Although that might be a result of having been brought up on non-OO languages (and being a keen assembler).
TWW
Idealistic. In the real world with real people working to real deadlines, it does.
Another example of this sort of thing is found in modern Forth systems which allow flat files for source code. There's no reason not to continue write small, well tested, tight code with 2 to 15 lines of code per routine but most people don't and as a result their code sucks. But it's easier to write (but not to debug or understand) and that's why they do it.
Human nature beats idealism every time.
TWW
If you want OO, use Smalltalk. OO "support" is a wate of time: look at C++ or Perl; the result is half-arsed programs that lapse back into non-OO anytime the programmer hits a tricky bit and decides to just copy the code out of some C book somewhere.
Either use OO all the way through your program or not at all, the same goes double for your programming language.
TWW
The issue is that they are still offering it now, months later, knowing that the code is in place.
TWW
You seem to be mistaking me for the OP. I was mearly pointing out that your statement is hyperbole. Which it still is.
What the hell is a crunchie (apart from a chocolate covered bar of honeycombe)?
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Nothing is so clear that some idiot won't get confused and no piece of software of any complexity works perfectly.
When was the last time you ran Windows, crunchie? Sure as hell wasn't XP (or even ME), otherwise you'd never have made such an asinine statement.
Well, I don't know about "crunchie" but I gave MS 20 years to get it right before moving on. I don't see why they deserve any more chances than that.
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Paul Darrow is a die-hard fan so there's some hope...
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Yes
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