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Blakes Seven To Return

Clownfush writes "Blake's 7, magnificent UK low budget high drama Sci-Fi from the early 80's is to return, as a former star acquires rights to the show. "

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  1. Who died and left you Blake? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "They're unfriendly, which is fortunate, really. They'd be difficult to like."
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  2. All puff... by perly-king-69 · · Score: 5, Funny

    According to the FAQ, essentially they have no money (yet), no script (yet), no cast (yet) and no broadcasting rights (yet).
    Trading on the nostalgia zeitgeist? The plan sounds as shaky as one of their sets!

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    1. Re:All puff... by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful
      None of that bothers me, as all of that can be fixed. What concerns me is that none of the Blake's 7 societies online are running this story.


      Think about it - these are people who monitor the every footstep of these actors, who attend every theatre performance, tape every television appearance. These are not the sort of people who would exactly miss a large-scale purchase of rights, the forming of a consortium, and the gearing-up to work on a mini-series.


      These fanzines have the inside scoop on many stories, long before they reach the mainstream media. Assuming the story is even thought worthy, by the mainstream media.


      That they say nothing - not even that there are rumors of negotiations - tells me that either the fans fell asleep waiting for the BBC to do anything, or that the BBC story is not entirely honest.

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    2. Re:All puff... by TomV · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Nothing new here at all. Paul Darrow acquired the rights to make new B7 from Terry Nation about 15 years ago and has been media-pushing it in the hope of getting some funds about once a year ever since. It's been 'about to return' as a movie or TV series for a long time now.

      Which isn't to say that I don't consider it worthy of a return, but it is hard to see how an Avon spin-off could reasonably be called Blake's 7. OK so in the original series, seasons 3 & 4 were missing Blake, right up until the final, wonderful, paranoid apocalypse in the final episode, but it was Blake's crew, still basically on Blake's mission, and wanted by the Federtaion because of their history with Blake.

      In any case, if you want a fix of Blake's 7 style grit and pessimism, I can strongly recommend Chris Boucher's "Kaldor City" audios, in which the Paul Darrow character could very easily be a post-Blake, in-hiding Avon, which also features various characters Boucher originally created for Blake's 7, all set in the society (and with some of the characters) he built for the Doctor Who classic "Robots of Death"

      I'd say, use B7 as an inspiration, sure, but it was effectively brought full-circle in 'Blake' and anything more would rather spoil the delicious uncompromising bleakness of that final showdown. How often DO the bad guys get to win?

      TomV

    3. Re:All puff... by neillewis · · Score: 1

      Yes, probaby because Paul Darrow's beeen saying this is going to happen for about 3 years now. I'll be first in the queue when they get it going though!

    4. Re:All puff... by pmz · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...Blake's 7 societies.... ...these are people who monitor the every footstep of these actors....

      I'm sure there is a psychological term for this. And, whatever complex convoluted word it is, I offer this translation to us lay people: "not well".

    5. Re:All puff... by lurgyman · · Score: 1

      So it's just like it was during the original series, then?...

    6. Re:All puff... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      OK so in the original series, seasons 3 & 4 were missing Blake
      and there weren't seven of nine^H^H^H^H them, either.
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  3. It was better than Cats... by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Darrow said: "The programme had such a gritty and dramatic style that was every bit as great an influence on the genre as the original Star Trek."
    I know he's trying to pump his project, but that's really quite an overstatement of its importance.
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    1. Re:It was better than Cats... by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Insightful
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    2. Re:It was better than Cats... by jasenj1 · · Score: 1

      I was hoping the link would be to another show.

      - Jasen.

    3. Re:It was better than Cats... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      Are you sure you didn't mean a SF drama about a rag tag bunch of renegades in a stolen ship on the run from a fascist police state? :^P

      It's become a standard gimick to get away with a tiny cast. Even Herc in Space sort of uses it, except they forgot the fascist police state or any excuse to still have a tiny crew. Oh well...

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    4. Re:It was better than Cats... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Bah, in Andromeda, they are the fascist police state. Uh, Lexx, does that have a plot as such? I kind of zoned out after seeing Barry Bostwick in leather bondage gear in the pilot.

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    5. Re:It was better than Cats... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Yup, Firefly too, although that said, I haven't seen that much of it. It seems a little too-clever-for-its-own-good, like the show they thought they had to make rather than the one they wanted to. Plus, after Farscape, predominantly US casts just don't do it for me. I prefer actors to, you know, act. ;-P

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    6. Re:It was better than Cats... by mholt108 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      actually it is not at all an overstatement. Blakes 7 was a far better show for "the rest of the world" than cheesy star trek. more camp, more down, more mystique and most important - enough dark humor to make the trekkies bowl cut geeks jump up and down on the spot :

      noooo noooo noooo (nasely geek voices inserted)

      severus snape would have been at home on the deck of the liberator - he would not have been allowed near the star treck set! nobody grew, noone got in touch with their feelings and most teenagers were more concerned with feeling up jenna than understanding her emasculated power; a sentiment heartily encouraged by the english writers.

      Not to mention the fact that any 12 year old could see the liberator was a FAR more stable spaceship than the stupid enterprise (how did that ship ever manage to stay together) so, if for nothing else, it was influential in reasonable starship design.

    7. Re:It was better than Cats... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      as great an influence on the genre

      Didn't say a thing about which was the better show. But you go ahead and do your Steve Ballmer-like dance anyway. (Cranky mood, it's the caffeine talking.)

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    8. Re:It was better than Cats... by SyFryer · · Score: 1

      Sure someone would, who could forget Lexx ?

      I guess I could.

      In my opinion this was more like B7 than 'Farscape'.

    9. Re:It was better than Cats... by spectrokid · · Score: 1

      It was the only SF series I ever appreciated. No stereotype "Captain USA" personnages but real people constantly asking themselves: "What is best for ME?"

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    10. Re:It was better than Cats... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      >In my opinion [Lexx] was more like B7 than 'Farscape'

      Sure, who can forget the classic scene in B7 where they go back to Earth and a robot spider thing jumps into the hick cop's asshole, while the sex slave/giant worm/pod person clone chick version #2 gets her kit off (again) and the zombie goth runs out of zombie goth go-juice (yet again). Serious character driven drama, and no mistake. ;-P

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    11. Re:It was better than Cats... by VivianC · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you didn't mean a SF drama about a rag tag bunch of renegades in a stolen ship on the run from a fascist police state?

      I thought they were talking about a SF drama about a rag tag bunch of renegades in a stolen ship on the run from a fascist police state?

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    12. Re:It was better than Cats... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      Nah, that was a SF drama about a rag tag bunch of survivors in rag tag ships on the run from evil alien robots. (Although in the movie premere they had an organic component.)

      Now if you want a SF drama about a rag tag bunch of renegades in a stolen ship on the run from a fascist police state, you don't have to look far. (Not stolen per say, just in hock to the eyebrows.)

      Just can't get enough of those "rag tag bunch" series/movies, not like those boring old "20th century Earthmen are so cool!" or "And what if it wasn't really a game?" plots.

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    13. Re:It was better than Cats... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      I've only seen a scattering of Lexx shows (invariably when I do watch, I've already seen the episode), so it's hard to tell. There might be a plot in there somewhere. Maybe Stanley finally gets laid?

      I think I've seen two Farscape episodes, didn't impress. (It might have been another rag tag bunch show.)

      Hey, at least in Andromeda they are a friendly benevolent fascist police state. And now that Tyr (of Barbra Rosa, etc...) has split, and Rev is now humanish (translation: fsck four hours in makeup prep!) who knows what will happen next? (And who cares? Gene must be spinning.)

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    14. Re:It was better than Cats... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      Hey, and don't forget the intellegent mind-control butt carrot. Stanley still doesn't get any, but at least there is symmetry.

      The Lexx (ship) is disturbing. Sort of like Geiger meets Benny Hill.

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    15. Re:It was better than Cats... by ixache · · Score: 1
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    16. Re:It was better than Cats... by TomV · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sure, who can forget the classic scene in B7 where they go back to Earth and a robot spider thing jumps into the hick cop's asshole, while the sex slave/giant worm/pod person clone chick version #2 gets her kit off (again) and the zombie goth runs out of zombie goth go-juice (yet again).

      The robot spider thing is in "The Harvest Of Kairos" (series C ep5), B7 had a psychotic, scheming, vampy campy manipulative white-clad dominatrix as head of Federation Space Command in the 'weird chick' role, unless telepathic guerilla chicks are more your thing, and the Zombie Goths (the federation Mutoids, or 'vampires') ran out of zombiegoth go-juice all too often to maintain any credibility as a fearsome fighting tool, but most especially in "Duel" (series A ep8).

      Plus B7 had a nice line in murderous alien dwarf chess champions, living intelligent telepathic drugs, fiendishly clever psychostrategists, alien space plagues, bodysnatching invaders from the Andromeda galaxy, man-eating planet-sized supercomputers, Space Rats with dayglo mohicans on quad-bikes, a Tachyon Funnel...

      No shortage of OTT in Blake's 7, made a nice foil to the totalitarian military-industrial state, the easy brutality of power, the working-class grime of the glorious future, betrayal, deceit, corruption and the eventual utter futility of resistance, I thought.

    17. Re:It was better than Cats... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      It could get pretty bad if you were talking about an SF comedy about a rag tag bunch of renegades in a stolen ship on the run from who knows what.

      It could get really really bad.

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    18. Re:It was better than Cats... by mholt108 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Cranky mood, it's the caffeine talking
      yeah mee too

    19. Re:It was better than Cats... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Hmm, to answer my own rhetorical question, apparently I could forget those B7 scenes.

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  4. Wonderful Programme... by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

    ...but it's usually best to let sleeping dogs lie. If they think they can get around the cost of decent sfx with CGI, I fear they're mistaken.

    Still, I could be wrong and the results will most likely be 'interesting' either way.

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    1. Re:Wonderful Programme... by Mandelbrute · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If they think they can get around the cost of decent sfx with CGI, I fear they're mistaken.
      Babylon5 was cheap as SF TV goes due to all the CGI. Red Dwarf was even cheaper - and Space Island One must have had a tiny budget but still worked well.

      If you consider Canadian SF - The cube didn't have a big budget.

      Blakes 7 with good sfx would seem wrong somehow. If were willing to suspend disbeleif enough for FTL travel we may as well suspend disbelief that a red platic esky is a high tech tool kit. The strength of the show was in the characters (well those that were at least 2D), and since it worked well as a radio play recently, lots of expensive visual effects are not required.

      I think it stands as one of the few self-consistant SF TV programmes ever made. I also liked the digs at the Trek utopian federation - the trek symbol at 90 degrees and the federation as a police state.

    2. Re:Wonderful Programme... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Who needs decent FX? It's possible to do mature character based SF drama with minimal effects - and no rubber monsters - if you have the courage of your convictions.

      See Ultraviolet as an example of a recent UK miniseries that redefined a genre for those lucky enough to watch it. Ultraviolet is to Buffy as Hamlet is to Melrose Place.

      I believe that Paul Darrow - a bona fide actor - has the potential to do something similar with Blake's 7. In fact, as Farscape picked up where Blake's 7 left off, I'd expect him to want to do something different.

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    3. Re:Wonderful Programme... by Rxke · · Score: 1

      Their homepage hints they'll not fall into that trap. They're going to concentrate on the story, and let YOUR imagination do the FX (kind of.) Original series was laughably low budget, compared to starwars, still i know a lot of people that preferred Blake's 7, for it had a good plotline, deep characters et.c. They didn't need flashy effects (their website OTOH is one big Flash effect... hmmm...

    4. Re:Wonderful Programme... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "good plotline, deep characters"... ...and Servalan. Don't forget Servalan *dribble*

    5. Re:Wonderful Programme... by vidarh · · Score: 1
      If you consider Canadian SF - The cube didn't have a big budget.

      About half a million, AFAIK, though I don't remember whether that was US or Canadian dollars...

      But then The Cube (which you SHOULD SEE if you haven't), had the advantage of only needing one small set consisting of one and a half cube and some different colored lights, and a very small number of actors... Not exactly typical.

    6. Re:Wonderful Programme... by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And Red Dwarf actually started to suck (as in "chest wound") the more budget it got. With no budget, you have to rely on obsolete FX like "plot", "dialogue" and "acting".

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    7. Re:Wonderful Programme... by Bushcat · · Score: 0
      Babylon 5 was created by Straczynski. In homage to Blake's 7, the Drazi warship in season 3 was based on the Liberator. Ron Thornton worked on both series: modelling in B7 and CGI in B5.

      The Excalibur ship in the Crusade successor to B5 also looks rather Liberator-like.


      The team designing the original Liberator and its variants didn't have experience of designing props for wire work, so the Liberator was difficult to hang and manipulate. It was slipups like this that made some effects seem cheaper than they were.

    8. Re:Wonderful Programme... by eMartin · · Score: 1

      "If you consider Canadian SF - The cube didn't have a big budget."

      That had little to do with the special effects, and was mostly just because the entire set was one small room.

    9. Re:Wonderful Programme... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if Ron Thornton is still running Foundation Imaging, and could they get those guys to do the CGI? (You might know, Babylon 5 was one of the early "low budget" CGI efforts for Foundation. What you might not know, Thornton built/painted the miniatures for the original Blakes 7.)

    10. Re:Wonderful Programme... by AsmordeanX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Red Dwarf didn't suck due to budget. It sucked because the gestalt entity of Grant Naylor was split into Rob Grant and Doug Naylor.

      Together they produced some of the best britcom that I have seen. Just compare Backwards and Last Human. Both have funny bits but are lacking something.

      I don't know if Blake's 7 can capture what it had before without Terry Nation. We shall see - or won't see as is common with british revivals (Red Dwarf movie, New Doctor Who series not produced by Fox, etc...)

    11. Re:Wonderful Programme... by dsplat · · Score: 1

      Space Island One must have had a tiny budget but still worked well.

      So, I'm not the only person who watched that. I'm still convinced that those little robots were just Red Dwarf's scutters with a new paint job.

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    12. Re:Wonderful Programme... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Red Dwarf movie is being made - they were scouting for locations near where I live a couple of weeks ago.

    13. Re:Wonderful Programme... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Excalibur ship in the Crusade successor to B5 also looks rather Liberator-like."

      Too bad it came off as a rip of Space Battleship Yamato, what with the earth dying unless a cure was found in such and such amount of time. The uberweapon that caused a loss of power for such and such amount of time after firing.

  5. If they're going to bring this back.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ..they need to bring back another low budget sci-fi, that being Doctor Who.

    1. Re:If they're going to bring this back.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Doctor Who is a web comic. When did they make a sci-fi show out of it?

    2. Re:If they're going to bring this back.. by Robmonster · · Score: 1, Informative

      Also, www.bbc.co.uk/cult have some new episodes in Flash format. One of which is the never aired episode written by Douglas Adams (the name of which temporarily espaces me) . The poarts I have seen so far are all very well voice acted and well worth checking out.

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    3. Re:If they're going to bring this back.. by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      One of which is the never aired episode written by Douglas Adams (the name of which temporarily espaces me).

      Heh, I know that was meant to be "escapes" not "espaces" but it's quite appropriate as there were some Doctor Who stories set in e-space. I'm not certain but I think that one or more of them may have been written by Douglas Adams.

      Oh, and the episode that never aired that you're thinking of is called Shada. It was originally cancelled because of a strike. Part of it - the 4th Doctor and Romana punting down a river - was seen in a later story, The Five Doctors.

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    4. Re:If they're going to bring this back.. by TwistedSpring · · Score: 1

      No!

      They did bring back Dr. Who as a feature length TV movie. It was shamefully overdone and nothing like the original. Anyway, Dr. Who has few merits, those being the theme music, the laughable crapness of the dialogue and effects, and the happy-go-lucky cheapness of the whole affair.

      Blakes Seven had intelligent scripts and a dynamic variety of characters, which sets it apart from the rather staid, co-operative attitude we see in Star Trek. Argumentative, angry, mutinous characters coupled with sensible, direct and forthright ones add a depth to the show that is not often seen in higher budget equivalents. Like radio, Blakes Seven calls on your imagination to some extent (this space ship was NOT made by Tony Hart out of kitchen utensils and gardening paraphernalia in his spare time, it IS A REAL SPACE SHIP. BELIEVE. etc..) and I only hope that any attempt at re-creating it will preserve the merits of the original. Of course, it probably won't.

    5. Re:If they're going to bring this back.. by Robmonster · · Score: 1

      Wow, what were the chances of one of my (many) typos still making contextual sense!!

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    6. Re:If they're going to bring this back.. by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm a big fan of Blakes 7 but the last thing I'd describe it as having 'intelligent scripts and a dynamic variety of characters'... It was pure scifi fun - didn't take itself too seriously. It got a bit crappy when blake was dead and they lost the liberator (it became 'Avons 5' but they never changed the title).. the early stuff was top notch though. Orac was probably half the special effects budget on his own :)

      Damn cheap to make, too. Ingredients: 1 Slate quarry, 1 Nuclear Power station, half a tonne of cardboard and a few storylines flexible enough to be translated to different planets/people.

    7. Re:If they're going to bring this back.. by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      >They did bring back Dr. Who as a feature length TV movie

      Bear in mind that they killed Sylvester McCoy. That was worth the license fee alone.

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    8. Re:If they're going to bring this back.. by Cally · · Score: 1

      You haven't lived until you've seen Slyvester McCoy playing 'Bayban the Butcher' - more ham than Parma...

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    9. Re:If they're going to bring this back.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You haven't lived until you've seen Slyvester McCoy playing 'Bayban the Butcher' - more ham than Parma...

      Sorry Cally, that was Colin Baker.

  6. Why bother by jez_f · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was young and impressionable when Blake 7 first came out, I really liked it at the time, but why bother trying to revive it now.
    Anyone under 25 or most Americans will have no idea what it is. I can't remember much about it myself. So it is just playing on the sentimentality of a few.
    Considering the state of SF in general nowadays it would be nice to get something new rather than rehashes of old ideas, we have plenty of them already. As far as I can see this is just £7M down the pan.

    1. Re:Why bother by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      Funnily enough, it's much more enjoyable when viewed as an adult. If you can get hold of it on tape or disc, I'd recommend you give it another chance - I watched the whole shebang when it was repeated on UK Gold recently and found it to be fantastic entertainment - and the music is really GREAT.

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    2. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Anyone under 25 or most Americans will have no idea what it is.

      Other Nationalities Are Available.

    3. Re:Why bother by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Given that Firefly is basically Blake's 7 with a budget but without the plot (rag tag bunch of renegades on a mission to, uh, uh...), that's rather harsh. Given that only Avon will be returning, I doubt that it will have that much connection to the original. I for one am interested to find out whether it's still possible to do a quality hard core SF series in the UK, rather than a dumbed down populist one. If it takes an old name to secure the money for doing that, then I'm prepared to give it the benefit of the doubt rather than writing it off before filming has even begun.

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    4. Re:Why bother by wagemonkey · · Score: 1
      Now that Alan Yentob is no longer its controller we may even get a sci-fi series on BBC1 again. IIRC he was the reason Dr Who was axed and why there has been no more SF except films - he doesn't like it so we don't get to see it.

      Go Paul Darrow - Avon certainly the coolest character in B7, followed by Vila and then all the others a long way behind.

    5. Re:Why bother by TwistedSpring · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Does that really matter?

      If they haven't heard of it, then they may find it a refreshingly realist approach to a genre so overpopulated by flat and uninteresting characters. Just because somebody hasn't seen the original doesn't mean that they will immediately dispense with the remake.

      Remaking Blakes Seven has the potential to "play on the sentimentality of the few" and at the same time introduce a new generation to the show. So long as they play their cards right and don't get too nostalgic themselves (I.e. a quick introduction explaining what happened in between the last original episode and the new series, then get on with it without too many references to stuff people might not have heard of) this has the potential to gain a new cult following again, and I fully support a good remake of it. I don't support a bad one :/

    6. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point about the Blake's 7 "rag tag bunch" was surely that some of them were not inclined to be "on a mission to..." ? Avon and Villa being the two main ones. I can think of only two "idealists" in the original team (Blake and his bit of rumpy pumpy).

    7. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Now that Alan Yentob is no longer its controller"

      It's not just him that hated (the ridiculous) Dr Who! Michael Grade hated it too.

    8. Re:Why bother by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Interesting to note that Terry Nation's widow holds the rights to Blake's 7. The BBC holds most (all?) rights to Dr Who, and they're content to sit on them until nobody cares any more rather than sell or license them. Sigh.

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    9. Re:Why bother by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Fair point, it was a mediocre example, and I only used it because it was the most recent. Farscape and Lexx are probably closer. Anyway, my point is that a rehash of Blake's 7 will probably be less like the original than some of the shows that have come and gone in the mean time.

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    10. Re:Why bother by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Come on now, Who was only ridiculous in concept and execution, not in...

      No, wait, you're right. It sucked ass. On the other hand, the Daleks would kick the Borg's collective pasty white rump, so let's call it even.

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    11. Re:Why bother by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Funny

      >a genre so overpopulated by flat and uninteresting characters

      "Flat" characters? Have you seen 7 of 9 and T'Pol in profile?

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    12. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Anyone under 25 or most Americans will have no idea what it is.

      Not necessarily, they keep posting the episodes on usenet.

    13. Re:Why bother by rasteri · · Score: 1
      Anyone under 25 or most Americans will have no idea what it is. I can't remember much about it myself. So it is just playing on the sentimentality of a few.

      I dunno, my parents introduced it to me when I was about 15 and I've been hooked ever since (I'm 19 now btw). Personally, I think that more Blake's Seven can't be a bad idea, as long as the writing is up to the same standard (And hopefully Paul Darrow will make sure of that!)
    14. Re:Why bother by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      You do realise that you're commenting in an article about make believe people flying around space in a collection of washing up liquid bottles and sticky backed plastic and killing each other with torches, right?

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    15. Re:Why bother by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      FICTION isn't necessarily childish, your comment was.

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    16. Re:Why bother by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Given that Firefly is basically Blake's 7 with a budget but without the plot (rag tag bunch of renegades on a mission to, uh, uh...),"

      ...figure out just what the hell a secret government organization did to River and why they wanted her back?

      Beyond that, yeah they were just your typical space rogues doing anything for a buck. However, I think there was a good balance between episodic stories and long-running story arcs. The problem is that the longer plots didn't get a chance to play out before the series got cancelled.

    17. Re:Why bother by mpe · · Score: 1

      Given that Firefly is basically Blake's 7 with a budget but without the plot (rag tag bunch of renegades on a mission to, uh, uh...), that's rather harsh.

      Firefly is certainly not a rehash of B7. Though it probably draws inspiration from it, as do Red Dwarf and Lexx. If anything there is probably more plot in Firefly, though with both the strength is character interaction. Which is probably what doomed Firefly, given that it's first broadcast was in the US.

    18. Re:Why bother by TomV · · Score: 1

      Now that Alan Yentob is no longer its controller we may even get a sci-fi series on BBC1 again. IIRC he was the reason Dr Who was axed

      Actually, it was Michael Grade who axed the show, he was quite determined to do it as he considered that it had become an embarrassment to the BBC in the state it had reached.

      Yentob came later and is IIRC on record as having been a fan in his youth. and as for the stuff the current Controller, Lorraine Heggessey, has been saying about Doctor Who recently, it's mainly IP rights negotiations that are holding back televised SF on prime-time BBC.

      TomV

    19. Re:Why bother by TomV · · Score: 2, Informative

      as long as the writing is up to the same standard (And hopefully Paul Darrow will make sure of that!)

      If he's got any sense left at all, he'll get straight onto Chris Boucher for the scripts. While Terry Nation came up with the concept and nominally wrote most of the first season, as with his Doctor Who work which was all heavily retooled by the relevant Script Editor, Nation came up with the concepts, Boucher made it into workable scripts, and is still working in the same genre with very similar dramatic contexts. Boucher's good, hire Boucher.

      TomV

    20. Re:Why bother by Litheroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's been a long time since I've seen Blake's 7, so forgive me if my memory is a little faulty on this point, but didn't the series end with Blake shot (by Avon), everyone other than Avon shot by the authorities, and Avon surrounded by said authorities defiantly holding a weapon? Given those circumstances, it seems a new series which remained true to the previous in more than name would be totally justified in only bringing back Avon. Of course, calling it "Blake's 7" with Blake dead seems a little sketchy.

    21. Re:Why bother by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      In the Special Olympics of intarweb debate, you're first among equals. Do your victory lap. Look, everyone is clapping! You're a winner! Hurrah! Hurrah!

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    22. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the Daleks would kick the Borg's collective pasty white rump"

      Depends. Are there stairs?

    23. Re:Why bother by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Given [the] circumstances [of the original's ending], it seems a new series which remained true to the previous in more than name would be totally justified in only bringing back Avon.

      Oh, I think they also need to get Jacqueline Pearce to reprise her role as President Servalan/Commissioner Sleer and Peter Tuddenham as the voice of Orac, or otherwise explain their absences.

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    24. Re:Why bother by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      Way to mod yourself up, I'm sure everyone's really impressed with your +2 rating.

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    25. Re:Why bother by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      OK, you've had your run around and a good old shout, and I'm sure you're very excited at having made such a crushing, cutting incisive comment that so eloquently summed up our relative positions and reduced me to humble contrition, but it's time to get back on the short bus with the other winners now. Can you find your bus buddie? Have you got your inhaler and anorak? Do we remember how we talked about how other people will like us better if we try and see the humour in what they say, even when we don't appreciate it? Hmm? Do you remember that little talk?

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    26. Re:Why bother by BluedemonX · · Score: 1

      I don't think "Doctor Who" sucked ass in concept. Execution maybe.

      Doctor Who, as a concept, is an interesting one - a member of an alien race with mastery over time and space escapes its rigid, confining, church hierarchy type rules to trip out over the galaxy, getting embroiled in adventure after adventure.

      Where it sucked total ass, if you disregard the single digit budgets and overly melodramatic bad acting, was the fact that at one point it went from being about a crotchety scientifically curious eccentric to being about an out-and-out clown.

      Some of its "Gothic" period rocked hard, and Pertwee showed it could be an action and suspense show. I'd say T*m B*ker ruined it and Sly tried really hard to undo the damage him, Peter "I'm out of breath" Davison and Colin "Fat Bastard in a clown suit" Baker did to it.

      It got cute, it got gimmicky ("Affirmative, Maw-stah!") and towards the end some parts got execrable (Richard Briers? Hello??? "Oo, I liked being the baddie" he said. Baddie? Christ almighty. And speaking of Briers.... You. Thought that. Shatner. Had a problem with. Stopping. And Starting Sentences. Well you. Haven't seen. Anything yet. Until you've heard. Richard Briers.)

      And of course, the TV movie pissed all over everything that had been built up to date and made the thing look like a cross between Plan 9 from Outer Space and Dynasty.

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    27. Re:Why bother by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      Short bus? Bus buddie? What on Earth are you on about?

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    28. Re:Why bother by belroth · · Score: 1
      My personal Dr Who rankings:
      1 - Jon Pertwee (I like JP generally esp Navy Lark)
      2 - Patrick Troughton
      3 - Sylvester McCoy
      4 - William Hartnell
      5 - Peter Davidson
      6 - Colin Baker
      7 - Richard Hurndall
      8 - Tom Baker
      9 - Paul McGann (more like 10^6 than 9 really).

      In the middle the order is not too definite, but the top and bottom are - sort of an inverted gaussian distributoi of strength of opinion,

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    29. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Way to mod yourself up, I'm sure everyone's really impressed with your +2 rating."

      He's probably just got a +1 bonus for having high karma - he's not necessarily cheating.

    30. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people need everything spelled out. It was obvious to me. Your comment `grow up` was especially amusing given how hurt you`ve clearly been by someone pointing out the preposterousness of getting too attached to a typically low-quality BBC science fiction program!
      If the Americans had done it, it would either have been done well (like Star Trek) or tongue in cheek. Blakes 7 was done straight and it was laughable then and its laughable now.

      Talking of Alan Partridge, have you seen this page? It's the funniest thing I've seen for ages (Blakes 7 is evidently good for something after all!)

      http://www.avon-paul-darrow.co.uk/s1main2.htm

      Ooh, I can't wait for the 'Saturday Evening Cabaret and Disco/Karaoke'!!! Oh, and the 'Celebrity dinner'!! But nce you've chosen your table, with the guest of your choice, note that 'The guests will not alternate tables between courses'! Fucking priceless!

    31. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I though Firefly was Cowboy Bebop, not Blake's 7. Although they do share the anti-hero protagonist concept.

    32. Re:Why bother by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      I must admit, that looks absolutely horrendous.

      Mind you, I'm no long term B7 fan, I merely saw it recently on UK Gold (I lived in the USA when it was on TV in Britain) and enjoyed it despite myself. Certainly some of the highest camp ever committed to videotape, but some great stuff in there too. For the record, I think Star Trek is MOSTLY awful, though I enjoyed 'Tholian Web' and several of the Voyagers that I've seen on Sky.

      None of it is science fiction anyway, so it's all a bit trivial really.

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    33. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, i'll be honest - I enjoyed Blakes 7 first time around too! I saw a few on video about 10 years ago and couldn't believe it was the same program!

    34. Re:Why bother by tqft · · Score: 1

      I.e. a quick introduction explaining what happened in between the last original episode

      Actually I would prefer if they left this out, so it can develop over the series.

      I also think it would less confusing for people new to the series. The ads/trailers can have the basic fill for those who weren't born (ouch)/missed it.

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    35. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Doctor Who, as a concept, is an interesting one - a member of an alien race with mastery over time and space escapes its rigid, confining, church hierarchy type rules to trip out over the galaxy, getting embroiled in adventure after adventure"

      You've just made yourself ineligable to discuss the silliness or otherwise of anything!

      > I'd say T*m B*ker ruined it

      Blasphemy! He was the best one! Mainly because he was taking the piss in a very tongue in cheek way.

    36. Re:Why bother by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      On Earth, we have this thing called hew-more. It is highly illogical.

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    37. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's toggleable.

    38. Re:Why bother by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      He means you're a window licker.

      A mong.

      A 'tard.

      N.B. not a Tardis, Dr Who's ship, which was bigger on the inside than on the outside. You, OTOH, probably appear more intelligent on the inside than you do on the outside. [That wouldn't be hard - Ed].

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  7. Avon by sql*kitten · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Avon (the character played by Paul Darrow) was a huge influence on me, altho' I was too young to realize it at the time. He was a dark and complex character, a technology expert who could clearly and rationally see that he could make the most money and wield the most power by betraying his comrades... but he could never quite bring himself to do it. He'd always set off with the intent of doing so, then change his mind at the last minute and use his superior intellect to save the day, then hate himself for it afterwards. He got most of the best lines too. Oh, and he may or may not have been shagging Blake's arch-enemy, the head of the secret police. Certainly they were both up for it, and even avoided killing each other for that purpose while remaining nominal enemies otherwise.

    There simply aren't characters with this kind of depth in modern scifi, even in relatively intelligent shows like B5. I can't wait to see the new episodes.

    1. Re:Avon by Evil+Pete · · Score: 1

      But wasn't Blake's "worst enemy" in fact Avon's wife ? I distinctly remember an episode when Avon and whats-her-name came face to face and discussed this. Gives a whole new meaning to "fucking each other over".

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    2. Re:Avon by imipak · · Score: 4, Funny
      And he invented ssh, in the episiode 'aftermath' where he uses Orac to run commands on liberator and pipe the output back to the beach he's standing on.

      This really is fantastic news, B7 was far far superior IMHO to Star Trek. In B7 the Federation are the baddies - an evil authoritarian fascist state ruled by a corrupt oligarchy, full of Borgia-esque backstabbing and politicing. The troopers are often sympathetic characters sketched in some depth (as opposed to disposable extras whose only role is saying "Arghhh!!!" and falling off something clutching their stomachs after getting shot. The crew are all highly imperfect; a lot of the drama comes from the dramatic tension between the imperfect rebels; Avon (untrustworhty, devious, very clever, arrogant as fsck) Blake the wannabe hero, cowardly drunk Vila, the moody Cally (ah! how I fancied Cally at the age of 10... me that is, not her), the stupid but amiable Gan, and so on. No shortage of 'dark'ness. The last episode features the entire crew but Avon dying in a brief shootout - much more realistic than 'small group of mercenaries overcomes entire galactic government'.

      And samples of Zen saying 'Confirmed' and Orac's "state your program requirements... they will be implemented when capacity is available" make great Windows sound effects. If you're a sad fanboy like me that is ;) (yes folks that's where my login iD comes from) Horizon has much more info.

    3. Re:Avon by Psiren · · Score: 1

      I disagree about B5. I'm currently watching the Season 2 DVD's, and I have to say that G'Kar and Londo are two of the most interesting characters I've come across in Sci-FI TV. Kosh's riddles are always fun to try and figure out too.

    4. Re:Avon by mgv · · Score: 1

      The last episode features the entire crew but Avon dying in a brief shootout - much more realistic than 'small group of mercenaries overcomes entire galactic government'.

      Actually if you read afterlife, the book sequel to the TV series, you realise that two of the crew survive the final shootout.

      Michael

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    5. Re:Avon by nalfeshnee · · Score: 1


      Blake's 7. Effortlessly original, always witty, and as realistic s they come. Paul Darrow's 'gritty' is a good description. Even the follow-up series after Tarrant and Slave 1 took the helm was fantastic. I can still remember the excitement, waiting as the credits rolled for 'A Question of Sport' and THAT theme music began:

      Da da DAH da DAH, da da DAH da DAH. DAH da da, da da DAH da da.

      The series managed to convey decent sci-fi without resorting to 'aliens are humans with funny heads'-tactics (hello Babylon 5) and with plotlines which were consistently engaging and original (not the usual Star Trek 'land on planet, shag attractive female of the species and then kill all enemies'.

      And what other series had .. Servalan *wow* *GG

      Thanx,

      Nalfy.

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    6. Re:Avon by Cally · · Score: 1
      Avon got most of the best lines, you say?


      Demonstrably.

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    7. Re:Avon by Cally · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, I hadn't heard of this; surely 'canon' for B7 means only the 52 broadcast TV episodes? I realise there was a nice ambiguity about Avon with the fade to black, roll credits (with no theme, just silence) followed by a brief burst of firing. Left me utterly shell-shocked when I first saw it, I couldn't believe they'd all *died*! Come to think of it I can't think of that being used as the ending of *any* TV or movie, in any genre... oh wait, Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid. Any others? Not in sf anyway.

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    8. Re:Avon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the follow-up series after Tarrant and Slave 1 took the helm was fantastic

      I know I did watch it, and I'm sure it was good, but the Liberator + Zen were way way better! Don't you remember the excitement of that ship; the way you could trust it, but you'd never really understand it... did they ever know where the Lib. came from?

      The Scorpio (is that right?) was totally dull in comparison! And Tarrent was fairly dull, 1-dimensional character when compared with Avon.

    9. Re:Avon by BJH · · Score: 1

      Blackadder? ;)

    10. Re:Avon by Vryl · · Score: 1

      He was always snogging her on some neutral planet or whatever. A bit like kirk.

    11. Re:Avon by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Informative

      You saw them get shot, not shot to death. Remember the genre.

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    12. Re:Avon by boicy · · Score: 2, Funny
      "Kerr Avon: I can talk or I can work but I can't do both."

      Someone should explain that to my Project Manager...

    13. Re:Avon by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      Only the First, Second and "Goes Forth". In the Third, he became the Prince Regent.

      (Thank jeebus for cigereet cases)

      Due to the storm nobody has heard of, Memphis has not had power (or cable) for about a week. I watched a *LOT* of Family Guy and Blackadder on CD this weekend...

    14. Re:Avon by Cally · · Score: 1

      OK, well remembered. Hmmm Blackadder, another British TV programme, that makes two plus B7...

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    15. Re:Avon by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      Well yeah I liked Blake's Seven too (apart from the laughably named "special effects", there we shall not go!) but to say that Babylon 5 didn't expose that amount of character depth is just to show a total ignorance of scope of the latter series.

      We saw Londo Mollari morph slowly from a drunken buffoon into a mass murderer and beyond; G'Kar changed from a devious and arrogant diplomat into a deeply humble and spiritual man - and that's just two of the characters. I remember in the third season in particular, where the pivotal point resided for these characters, feeling a deep sense of despair at what was happening. This was a show that would affect your mood for days after seeing it, and not always in a good way.

      The characters in Blake's Seven on the other hand were mere sterotypes. Coloured-in sterotypes maybe, in the sense that the writers had granted them more than one personality characteristic each (how generous), but they hardly changed or grew throughout the life of the show, and the story never attained anywhere near the same dramatic impact that Babylon 5 did at its height.

      It was only to be expected. Blake's Seven was written and produced by the same people who made Dr Who. Dr. Who, though still a lot of fun, wasn't much more than children's tea-time adventure serial, dramatically speaking, and Blake's Seven wasn't all that different.

    16. Re:Avon by hughk · · Score: 1
      In B7 the Federation are the baddies
      Blakes 7 was a big influence on FarScape, also great SciFi, unfortunately killed before its time. It features Peace-Keepers who are very similar to the Feds in B7. Servalan from B7 also directly inspired one of the baddies in FarScape.

      Note as with many low budget British series, many of the actors were also working on the stage.

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  8. Characterisation by Haileri$ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This programme was so cool! Not for the fact that it was a top notch sci-fi soap but that it had great characterisation. The first anti-hero in Avon. The D&D rogue character in Villa. Now obviously, its almost certain that the new show will be a pile of steaming... but let me just wallow in dreams that it will be good... P.S. Not nostalgia, got all the vids!!

    1. Re:Characterisation by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >The first anti-hero in Avon. The D&D rogue character in Villa.

      *cough* Iago *cough* Bardolph *cough*. Remember that BBC luvvies tend to be classically trained. You can find practically any character you want in Shakespeare.

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    2. Re:Characterisation by dsplat · · Score: 1

      Remember that BBC luvvies tend to be classically trained. You can find practically any character you want in Shakespeare.

      Along with some decent examples of dialogue.

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  9. I hope by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    the rights were not purchased by that perspex box with the flashing lights or they may have trouble getting the project off the ground

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    1. Re:I hope by suss · · Score: 4, Funny

      the rights were not purchased by that perspex box with the flashing lights or they may have trouble getting the project off the ground

      ORAC was the inspiration for today's generation of casemodders!

      He will, ofcourse, be returning with shiny fans and watercooling in the new series.

    2. Re:I hope by tyroneking · · Score: 1

      Imagine a cose-mod designed to look like Orac! Now that would get some cash in for Paul Darrow ...

  10. Leave it alone... by Robmonster · · Score: 1, Funny

    I doubt it will ever be as good as we remember the Original being.

    Its be like remaking Space 1999.

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    1. Re:Leave it alone... by MonTemplar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Its be like remaking Space 1999

      Frankly, given the situation on Moonbase Alpha in the original, the chances of them doing a Next Generation are looking pretty slim! :-)

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    2. Re:Leave it alone... by thanuk · · Score: 1
      I doubt it will ever be as good as we remember the Original being

      ...and I remember the original being truly awful

    3. Re:Leave it alone... by Robmonster · · Score: 3, Informative

      The trouble is, most remakes are a letdown.

      Even if the films/shows are good in their own right people remember the original serties' with great fondness and nothing can live up to that memory.

      Take Randall and Hopkirk Deceased for example. The original show was fab, and the remakes with Vic Reeves and Bob Mortimer were rahter less than fab.. However, I knew people who had never seen the original and actually liked the recent series.

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    4. Re:Leave it alone... by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Effects-wise, certainly, and many of the scripts were so-so while some were just as awful as a lot of Dr Who scripts. But what made the series really was the characters: the variety and 'in-fighting' amongst the heroes raised it to a level well beyond the average TV SF show.

  11. Finally! by Lutherx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When the show ended there were arguments over whether or not Avon actually dies in the final scene. He is surrounded by guards, it cuts to black and there is a lot of gunfire....

    Presumably he is gunned down like the rest of his crew BUT he could have survived... Somehow? Surely? Maybe?

    According to the article the actor that played Avon (Paul Darrow) will be the only actor to return. Set 25 years after the last series hopefully the question of Avon's survival will be answered.

    Apologises to anyone that didn't no what happened to Avon at the end and has been slowly working their way through the series :)

    1. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody other than Blake was visibly wounded by any of the shots in "Blake" so maybe they were "set to stun".

      Of course IRL the reason Blake's wounds were so graphic was that the actor wanted his character to be blatantly killed so they would not try and invite him back for any more guest appearances!

    2. Re:Finally! by magarity · · Score: 1
      BUT he could have survived... Somehow? Surely? Maybe?

      Possibilities abound in addition to just plain winning the shootout via miracle... have you seen Alien 4, for example?

    3. Re:Finally! by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      More likely Avon just grabbed Vila and used him as a human shield :).

    4. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was actually a book that continued the series (I forget the name). *spoiler* - The gun fire actually came from another group of people that ran in and shot the guards that surrounded Avon. Avon escaped during the melee.

  12. Paul Darrow - top bloke by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sigh of relief when I saw that it was Paul Darrow. To be honest, I'm not really a fan of Blake's 7, but I worked with Paul on the CGI voiceover that he did for Deathtrap Dungeon and I was impressed with his professionalism and enthusiasm. He seems genuinely to care about the projects he works on, and I'm content that this will be a labour of love rather than a cash-in. Huzzah.

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    1. Re:Paul Darrow - top bloke by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting
      All that's true. (Seen him at conventions.) But he can't write. His script (Man of Iron) and his book are absolutely horrible.


      Having said that, he accepted a lot of user input on how to fix the problems. Unfortunately, after publication, and the publisher refused the alterations.


      Paul Darrow is a classic example of a person who would work best in an Open Source environment - good ideas, willing to listen, willing to accept good patches, willling to do follow-on research - but is in a media that all but prohibits any kind of cooperative work.


      IMHO, it almost doesn't matter if he succeeds or fails, provided his legacy is to open up the minds of the British media to the possibilities and opportunities that Open Source provides. If there's one person who could do it, it would be him, because he's got a very strong charisma and seems willing to walk at least some of the walk.

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  13. One simple request... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't give them too big a budget, otherwise it'll turn out like Red Dwarf series 7...

    Humour, good characters and a neat set of sub-plots is all it take to make a good, fun Sci -Fi romp. CGI special effects and shiny costumes? Naaah!

    1. Re:One simple request... by G-funk · · Score: 2, Informative

      It wasn't budget that killed series 7, it was the lack of rimmer. When rimmer came back it was good again. Not series 1 good, but pretty darned good nonetheless.

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    2. Re:One simple request... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? There were only 6 series of Red Dwarf. I remember it distinctly. Well, maybe five and a half. There was no series 7. There was no series 7.

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    3. Re:One simple request... by Hittite+Creosote · · Score: 1

      Note that series 7 only had half of the Grant Naylor gestalt writing it - Rob Grant had left.

  14. File under 'Yeah, right, whatever'... by MonTemplar · · Score: 1

    I watched and enjoyed the original show back when I was a kid, but frankly I can't see the point of this new project, particularly if it's going to have only a tenuous link to the original (what, no Servalan? *grin*) Sounds to me like a blatant attempt to extract money from die-hard fans, rather like what the BBC have been doing with Dr Who for the last decade...

    As Slave would have put it - `I'm sorry to report, sir, this project is going to bomb!!!` :-)

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    1. Re:File under 'Yeah, right, whatever'... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "what, no Servalan?"

      My god , have you seen what the actress who played her looks like now? I won't be so rude as
      to say what I think she looks like now , suffice to say she won't be winning any beauty prizes
      these days and if I were her I'd get my money back from the plastic surgeon!

    2. Re:File under 'Yeah, right, whatever'... by nagora · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Sounds to me like a blatant attempt to extract money from die-hard fans

      Paul Darrow is a die-hard fan so there's some hope...

      TWW

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    3. Re:File under 'Yeah, right, whatever'... by GoneGaryT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Jacqueline Pierce.

      That role did her in. I listened to a BBC radio doc about her a while back; AFAIR she apparently got into the role so deeply she became more Servalan than herself and the character took over her life. I think she's had a nervous breakdown or three in the intervening years, all caused by this, so you can't be too harsh on her. Respect - if you were into dominant babes in the 80s, she's still an icon.

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    4. Re:File under 'Yeah, right, whatever'... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      Luvvies always blame something else for screwing up their lives. I could understand it if she
      was playing the role over and over again day after day , for instance if she was in a theatre
      play on every night, but it was a small part (scenes wise) in a TV show. She probably didn't do more than
      a few hours work a week on it so how she could have got into the role THAT deep beats me. More likely it sounds better than saying
      she had a drink/drugs/food problem etc etc.

    5. Re:File under 'Yeah, right, whatever'... by Magnetic_Monopole · · Score: 1

      She was talking about her Androgum role, not Servalan!

    6. Re:File under 'Yeah, right, whatever'... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      what, no Servalan?
      Remakes often go from bad to Wurst, I just hope the script isn't a load of baloney.
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  15. Information by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

    Zen was the best computer ever, and could easily out think HAL 9000, Deep Thought or ORAC any day of the week - though a game of postal chess with Holly might prove a bit trickier...

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    1. Re:Information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prawn takes horsey.

    2. Re:Information by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      Blimey! it's Gordon!

      You're a sly one...

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      That was classic intercourse!
    3. Re:Information by BitGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When you think about it, or at least when I do - most future spaceships must be almost completely controlled by computer - not with some gits standing on a bridge for effect like they do in the thoroughly rung out Star Trek. At most a human would be suggesting the general strategy of any sort of engagement, and then wiping their brow 14 nanoseconds later when it was all over. Generally this is what happened on the original series of Blake7, with the occasional 'manual control' for dramatisation. They let the computer get on with driving the hardware, and they got on with the scheming on how to overthrow the corrupt Federation and each other.

      I really hope they spend most of the money on good script writers who give the characters the depth that they had in the original series, and just enough on the sets/cgi to get by.

      Hey, and model the new ship on the old one, I thought it was cool!

  16. Imagine a.... by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I wonder if it'll have a beowolf cluster of Oracs this time?

    Sorry, it had to be said..

    1. Re:Imagine a.... by MonTemplar · · Score: 1

      I wonder if it'll have a beowolf cluster of Oracs this time?

      Sorry, it had to be said..


      DON'T! One of them was insufferable enough... :-)

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    2. Re:Imagine a.... by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      The series was ruined for me when I noticed several 6502-based 'Acorn Trainer' units posing as front panels on 'computers' in the background. I spent many a happy hour learning assembler on the trainers; controlling relays, sound boards (SN76477-based) and LED arrays -- and replacing the 5V three-terminal regulators that used to run at post-core-of-the-sun temperatures and burn out with predictable regularity. Aah - happy days.

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    3. Re:Imagine a.... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      I have an Acorn Atom that I "inherited" from the company my Dad worked for in about 1982, when it was still fairly new. It started cutting out and was pretty unreliable after they upgraded it with the VIA chip and a whole whopping 12k of RAM. Close inspection of the manual revealed that the 7805 regulators were supposed to be *removed completely* and the thing fed from an external 5V PSU capable of 6 amps... The bloody great hole melted in the bottom beside the regulator heatsinks was my first major clue to it.

    4. Re:Imagine a.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of Orac:

      http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp#project0006

      and:

      http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp#project0005

      Not quite there I'll admit, but there's a family resemblance ;-)

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  17. The official web site by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 4, Informative

    They've set up an official web site for the revival here.

    Unfortunately it uses Flash but there's more information about the plans and there's a cool new Blake's 7 logo.

    John.

    1. Re:The official web site by kmankmankman2001 · · Score: 1

      Make sure you have your pop-up killer active, too, as there's one annoying as heck blatant pop every single time you interact with the B7 page.

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  18. Myth Reinvented by awol · · Score: 4, Informative

    C'mon, surely you realise that Blakes 7 is just the legend of Arthur (and the classic medieval character cast) relocated to the future? I mean they "stumble" on The Liberator (Excalibur) and it is only Blakes "purity" that enables him to defend against Zens defences (ie pull the sword from the stone). The other characters start with the basics, the giant, the maiden (originally Dayna), the rougue the anti-hero and then the wicked witch )Servelan.

    Having said that, love the show, and the best settings are always ripe for a revisit. IMHO, the Liberator must be involved for it to succeed.

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    1. Re:Myth Reinvented by Zan+Zu+from+Eridu · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Some problems with that: Arthur is not a rebel/outlaw story, the anti-hero isn't in the same camp as the hero in Arthur, where is Parsival in B7? etc. etc.

      Yes, there are some similarities, but that's unavoidable, there is a lot of stores and myths around. What's really interresting about B7 is how Avon, the anti-hero, comes out to be the most popular character in the series. In fact Terri Nation (the author) was aware of this and adapted the storyline conformingly.

  19. I think it... by Pinguu · · Score: 0

    might be best to not watch this, remember the thing a while back on Battlestar Gallactica? Could just ruin what made it special...

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  20. a few points by boogy+nightmare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes let us remember the heady days gone by, remember if you will the playground and chatting with your mates about how good blakes 7 was....

    then remember things like thunderbirds 2017 and all the other failed programmes that tried to make a triumphant return.

    If it does come back (i sort of hope is does not) the only way it will survive is if it gets real good real fast, i mean lets face it the first season of ST:TNG was bollox (bad acting, wobly sets terrible sfx) but look how great it was in the end.

    I think i agree with one of the earlier postings, i think a new twist on Dr Who would be a lot better.

    just my two pence worth (3.2 cents)

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  21. How to make a TV programme (dummies edition)... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to the FAQ, essentially they have no money (yet), no script (yet), no cast (yet) and no broadcasting rights (yet).
    Trading on the nostalgia zeitgeist? The plan sounds as shaky as one of their sets!


    No money?

    Well, I can think of a few fans who'd like to see a new series based in the Blake's Seven universe. And if there are fans willing to see it then there will be production companies and broadcasters willing to back it. %5-6 million for a TV show, especially one that already has a cult following, is peanuts - do you have any idea how much the rubbish that fills the channels right now even costs?

    If nothing else, it has a particular resonance right now, thanks to the Orwellian Federation, etc. Just like Star Trek's morality matched the 60's, the new Blakes Seven series is tailor-made for the times that we live in.

    No script?

    Well, jeez, that's the end of the world. How will they ever make anything?

    But wait, here's some news just in: apparently, there are these things called scriptwriters. Throw them some cash and give them some time and they'll write a script for you! What a stroke of luck!

    No cast?

    OMG, another disaster! How will they cope?

    Huh, what's that? There's an original cast member involved already? And there are these guys and gals out there - we'll call them actors - constantly looking for new work? And even people - let's call them casting agents - who'll pick the right actors for your production! Genius!

    No broadcasting rights?

    Well, perhaps you should RTFA. What bit of "Paul Darrow, who played the ruthless anti-hero Avon, is in a consortium that has acquired the rights to the show", didn't you get?

    Seriously, money, a script and a cast can be found. But the first step was always going to be getting the rights. If you have the rights you can find the money, a script and a cast. But if you have money, a script and a cast but no rights then you're screwed. It really is that simple.

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    1. Re:How to make a TV programme (dummies edition)... by perly-king-69 · · Score: 1

      Try reading the headline.
      I've already RTFA and the FAQ on the website thankyouverymuch.
      But the ./ headline is Blakes (sic) Seven to Return when it is quite clear that it's far from returning.
      I'll believe it when it's in post-production.

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    2. Re:How to make a TV programme (dummies edition)... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      Hey, if your article said "hey, it's not returning just yet and there's still x, y and z to do, so that title might be a bit premature" then perhaps I wouldn't have posted a reply. But you didn't, so I did.

      And if you RTFA why were you still questioning the broadcast rights? If you hadn't asked about those I definitely wouldn't have been so ready to respond. But you did, so I corrected your mistake.

      In future, if you don't like being questioned, corrected or critiqued, I suggest you don't post to Slashdot or other open discussion forums, because that's what they're for - open discussions. Try not to take it so personally.

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    3. Re:How to make a TV programme (dummies edition)... by perly-king-69 · · Score: 1
      Don't worry, nothing was taken personally.

      I'd have thought that if you'd have noticed that I'd read the FAQ, linked from the article, then you'd take it as read (so to speak) that I'd read the article!
      The article states that:
      One of the stars of cult sci-fi series Blake's 7 has signed a deal to bring the show back to screens more than 20 years after it ended.

      That quite clearly isn't true. It's a long, long road from signing rights to broadcasting a series.
      As someone else has mentioned it's not even new puff. A virtually identical story appeared over 3 years ago.
      Again, I'll believe it when it's in post-production.
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    4. Re:How to make a TV programme (dummies edition)... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      As mentioned elsewhere here, at the end of the previous (I won't say "last") series, the BBC announced that "Blake's 7 will return in the Autumn".

      Well, they didn't say which Autumn, or on what channel, did they?

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    5. Re:How to make a TV programme (dummies edition)... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      Just because you followed a link from the article it doesn't mean that you actually read the article and understood it.

      Yes, it's a long way away. But what would you have the development team do:

      A. Publicly announce that they have negotiated a tough hurdle (getting the rights) restate their intentions, etc and hopefully find more supporters and backers in the process? or
      B. Stay quiet, struggle in silence until they have made a whole series of episodes?

      Which do you think would be the more successful approach? Which do you think has a proven track record?

      I just don't get what you're pissed off at here, the fact that it's announced before being the finished article (which is how things work) or that the Slashdot story headline was entitled "Blakes Seven To Return" (which is down to the story submitter and the editors).

      You'll believe it when it's in post-production? Wow, that's a riducously high bar to set your "I'll believe it when" standard at. Wouldn't when it's picked up by the Sci-Fi Channel/whoever be enough for you? Or when it's being filmed? Wouldn't that be good enough?

      If you're going to be that paranoid, why not believe it only after it's been aired? Or after it's been nominated for some awards? Or actually won some? Or being re-run? Or until they've had their 25 anniversary cast reunion...

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    6. Re:How to make a TV programme (dummies edition)... by perly-king-69 · · Score: 1

      Just because you followed a link from the article it doesn't mean that you actually read the article and understood it
      Fair comment, this is /. after all :-)

      I'm not paranoid, or pissed off, I just read these PR announcements which pass off as news with a healthy dose of cynicism.

      Truth is, there's no more substance to this PR than the one released 3+ years ago!

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    7. Re:How to make a TV programme (dummies edition)... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      But the /. headline is Blakes (sic) Seven to Return

      You can hardly fault the editors for that "(sic)". The title cards for the series never did have an apostrophe.

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    8. Re:How to make a TV programme (dummies edition)... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      You'll believe it when it's in post-production? Wow, that's a riducously high bar to set your "I'll believe it when" standard at.

      No it's quite sensible. Of all the TV series or movies "announced" in similar way as this; i.e. rights obtained and maybe one name attached, you will be lucky to see 1% come to the screen. That's where the term "preproduction hell" comes in. For instance Slashdot got all excited about a proposed Rendezvous With Rama movie a few months ago after someone noticed there was a website for the project. That the site hasn't been updated for years should have been a clue. Announcements like this are made to try to obtain finance for the project, not to give a heads up for the fanboys (and I speak as a former Blake's 7 fan myself). If you believed every one of these "soon to be a major film" puff pieces you'd be living in permanent disappointment. So I prefer not to get excited until the cameras are rolling.

      I've been involved in selling movie rights for several books, but never once did anything happen after the first blaze of optimism. Vapourware is not unique to IT.

    9. Re:How to make a TV programme (dummies edition)... by njdj · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course you're right that there are no obstacles to making a new Blake's 7 series.

      But as for making a worthy successor to one of the best science-fiction series ever ... heck, one of the best series ever, in any genre ... that's more difficult.

      I think it was the writers, especially Terry Nation, who made Blake's 7. (Terry Nation also wrote some of the best Dr Who episodes). The actors were OK, but nothing outstanding. The special effects ranged from pathetic to dire. The scenario, band of rebels against a despotic government, is hardly original.

      But Terry Nation is dead, and writers with such talent - and perhaps as important, producers who can recognise that talent - are rare. And without great writers, you can't make a great series.

    10. Re:How to make a TV programme (dummies edition)... by blacklab2000 · · Score: 1

      No script? Well, jeez, that's the end of the world. How will they ever make anything? But wait, here's some news just in: apparently, there are these things called scriptwriters. ... No cast? OMG, another disaster! How will they cope? Huh, what's that? There's an original cast member involved already? And there are these guys and gals out there - we'll call them actors - constantly looking for new work? And even people - let's call them casting agents - who'll pick the right actors for your production! Genius! So we'll take a cult series, have some shmucks put pen to paper, get some stiffs with low salary requirements to sleepwalk through at least 2 seasons, and make millions off the merchandising rights. Genius! I recommend 'Blake's 7: Voyager" as the working title. I also recommend at least two sets of DD cups on the bridge crew to keep convention attendence up.

    11. Re:How to make a TV programme (dummies edition)... by raymondbesse · · Score: 1
      If you have the rights you can find the money, a script and a cast.

      What if you have all of the above, but you're just so full of shit that you have no chance of completing your production?

      may I refer you to

      http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky/dunestory.html
  22. whatever next... by fohidac · · Score: 0

    a battlestar galactica remake!!! blake's seven was an awful tv programme. why the hell are they doing it? what other bad bbc programmes from the 80s are going to be made next? eldorado? triangle? juliet bravo? a couple of years ago some friends and i bumpled into the guy that played blake in a bar in manchester. he was still upset about that show!

    1. Re:whatever next... by GoneGaryT · · Score: 1

      bumpled = damaged in very low speed collision.

    2. Re:whatever next... by titzandkunt · · Score: 1


      I met him (Gareth Thomas) at the opening of "Fab Cafe" in Manchester, and he seemed pretty pissed, but more in the UK sense.

      T&K.

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    3. Re:whatever next... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      he was still upset about that show!

      How does he feel about Children of the Stones?

      I wish Blakes 7 was available on DVD, but this isn't even on VHS. Ah, the old Nickelodeon memories....

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    4. Re:whatever next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Every episode of B7 has been released on VHS at least 10 years ago. I know beacuse I have seen them all and own quite a few. Maybe they only released it in Australia, but I doubt they would release it in Oz and not in the UK as well. You should have a look at some of the UK mail order shops I sure you can still get them. There are 25 VHS tapes with 2 episodes on each. Good Luck

    5. Re:whatever next... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know B7 is available on VHS. I want it on DVD though (I may preorder the region 2 release from). IMDb said Children of the Stones was unavailable in all formats, but apparently is already out in region 2.

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    6. Re:whatever next... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Correction: [I]Children of the Stones[/I] is region 0.

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  23. Space 1999 by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But unlike Blakes 7 they actually had decent some special effects in Space 1999! For the time (mid
    70s) some of the space scenes weren't far off being cutting edge and not too far behind
    the effects in the original star wars. Shame they couldn't have extended the budget to the monster costumes though , they sucked!

    1. Re:Space 1999 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      they actually had decent some special effects in Space 1999

      And some that were complete crap. Laser guns that shoot squiggles that look like someone drew on the target with a marker. Of course, the problem with that show was that it was dead above the neck. "Beautiful plumage", my ass.

    2. Re:Space 1999 by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      unlike Blakes 7 they actually had decent some special effects in Space 1999!

      Yes, it looked great, but the stories (not to mention the basic premise) were so stupid...

  24. woo hoo! by badday · · Score: 1

    I don't give a stuff if americans or people under 25 won't be interested in blakes7 - I'd love to see a follow up. why the hell is anyone complaining? if you're not interested switch off the tv and go do something less boring instead. the comment regarding cgi was so off base ... b7 wasn't about special effects; it was about Avon. ... and Servalan - most definitely about Servalan ;)

    1. Re:woo hoo! by fohidac · · Score: 0

      my favourite was the cutout of the spaceship and the camera panning left or right or zooming in or out to simulate motion. fantastic! you're right, i will be utilising the off button if/when it comes on tv. (i wonder if they'll still be dressing like extras from miami vice?)

    2. Re:woo hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, isn't it, how 'everyone' seems to have a thing about Servalan? :-)~

    3. Re:woo hoo! by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      Janeway is WAY sexier. Mainly because she's NOT so atrociously camp.

      Deering was the best, though.

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    4. Re:woo hoo! by Rogerborg · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:woo hoo! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      switch off the tv and go do something less boring instead.
      Why don't you? Why don't you? Whaaaaaaay don't you? Jeez, did that programme suck to the n. Nearly as bad as double sodding deckers.

      In Soviet Russia, something less boring does YOU!!!

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  25. old episodes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember the series as very, very, good (albeit once you got by the cardboard sets) - does anyone know where old re-runs are available, short of looking on ebay for some guy with a shoebox full of betamax tapes?

    1. Re:old episodes by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Series one is supposed to be released on DVD in a couple of months in the UK: don't know if it's available anywhere else already.

    2. Re:old episodes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still available new!

    3. Re:old episodes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon.co.uk are taking orders for the DVD release of Series 1 of Blake's Seven here
      no sign of it on Amazon.com yet, but then it doesn't come out until September anyway. Region 2 DVD's only, but I'm sure that won't prove much of a hindrance.. Otherwise, the entire series has been available on BBC VHS video for some time, and can regularly be found in its entirety occupying lots of shelf space in second-hand record shops across the UK

    4. Re:old episodes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've caught Blake's Seven several times on one of the rubbish Satellite Channels that come with Sky. (UK Gold?) Despite having a good trawl around the web I can't find it, but I seem to remember it being on early Saturday/Sunday. You could tape it and save the 50 quid that the DVD costs.

      Anyway the fact that I can't remember when/where it was on speaks volumes. I too had great memories of this but when I saw it again it was truly dreadful. Bad acting, bad actors, terrible sets, awful plot! With the exception of Avon of course!! I watched 10 minutes of it then gave up cause it was ruining my memories.

    5. Re:old episodes by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      The series is long over, you'd have to wait for a re-re-re-re-run.

      Anyway, UK Gold is an excellent channel. They showed the BBC "Day of the Triffids" recently and it was fucking marvelous.

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    6. Re:old episodes by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Wow. Some thinks actually get cheaper over time. I collected the VHS recordings, until I stopped seeing them in shops, and they were £10-13 each, for two episodes. Now (well, near the end of september) I can get them on DVD for about half of the per epidode price I paid back then. I'm just a little disappointed to note that it costs about the same as the B5 boxed sets, which contained 22 rather than 13 episodes. Oh well.

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    7. Re:old episodes by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Well, the whole series has been released on VHS.

      And according to rumour its being spread by all the evil bits out there *G*

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    8. Re:old episodes by coral256 · · Score: 1

      And this is why DVD regional encoding is evil. Amazon.co.uk says its only available in region 2, which means I spend a lot of money to have something that can't play on my DVD player in the living room. Meanwhile, its not available on Amazon.com. And probably never will be.... And forget about seeing it at Blockbuster/Netflix...

    9. Re:old episodes by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      Imagine for a moment what it's like if you DON'T live in the USA.

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    10. Re:old episodes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Daewoo or someone like that makes a $50 DVD player that does pal/ntsc conversion.

  26. Ah, wonderful, wonderful by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This was simply the coolest show: not the decor or effects, which were brutally minimalistic, but the characterisation and writing, which was so good that it felt real, every time.
    The day that the series was killed was so traumatic that I almost kicked off TV: the show's producers simply, and without warning, arranged for the entire cast to be killed in one gruesome and bloody ambush.
    After years of arranging narrow escapes for our favourite characters, this was just incredibly insensitive.
    Glad to see the show will be back.

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    1. Re:Ah, wonderful, wonderful by rpjs · · Score: 1, Insightful

      the show's producers simply, and without warning, arranged for the entire cast to be killed in one gruesome and bloody ambush.
      After years of arranging narrow escapes for our favourite characters, this was just incredibly insensitive


      Yeah, but it was realistic. Let's face it, if you're a dissident under a totalitarian regime, and there's no outside power with enough strength or influence to make your government think you might be worth keeping on ice for a while, that's exactly>/b> what will happen to you when you're caught, and kudos to the BBC for accepting the brutal logic of the situation and not opting for some wimpy happy ending.

      Blake's 7 were doomed from the start, you knew they had to be, but it was watching them try to defy their fate that made the series so magnificent.

  27. I thought they already made a remake by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Funny

    Didn't they call it "Farscape" of something?

    1. Re:I thought they already made a remake by Robmonster · · Score: 1

      Was Farscape really a remake of B7...?

      I thought Farscape was absolutely awful.....

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    2. Re:I thought they already made a remake by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, Farscape was a remake of Buck Rogers without all the sauce.

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    3. Re:I thought they already made a remake by Robmonster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Beedie-beedie-beedie... Hiya Buck!

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    4. Re:I thought they already made a remake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too right!! dodgy fake-leather costumes, even a Servalan lookalike in the last season...and, like B7, it came to a bit of an abrupt end...they did have a marginally better set, however. And a sense of humour. But no Avon.

    5. Re:I thought they already made a remake by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      No, you're thinking of Lexx. Or maybe Firefly. Or perhaps Andromeda. Blake's 7 didn't have muppets, to the best of my recollection.

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    6. Re:I thought they already made a remake by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Try saying "Avon, Aeryn, Avon, Aeryn" ten times quickly, although her character is closer to Cally or Dayna. The little muppet was Villa, and so is the grey chick, Dargo is Gan, Kryten is Blake with a personality, the blue chick with the big knockers is, a, a plant or something. Why would a plant have mammary glands?

      My god, TV sci-fi makes no sense! They lied to us all these years! Oh, I've wasted me life.

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    7. Re:I thought they already made a remake by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      No, you're thinking of Futurama.

  28. Sapphire and Steel by fohidac · · Score: 1, Funny

    now there's a show that needs a remake. that scared the hell out of me when i was a little one.

    1. Re:Sapphire and Steel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scared you - seriously? I found it a really good cure for insomnia (how did the ep with the paintings turn out? I've seen it several times and haven't stayed awake through it once)

    2. Re:Sapphire and Steel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Yeah! Now THAT was a great show. That also ended badly for the main characters - something about a room and a chess board spinning off into unknown reaches of space/time if I remember correctly.

      Memories of my childhood are resurfacing here:

      Blakes Seven
      Doctor Who
      Sapphire & Steel
      The Tomorrow People
      Space 1999

    3. Re:Sapphire and Steel by icewitch · · Score: 1

      Ah, now you're talking! David McCallum and Joanna Lumley - a pairing made in heaven. But who could do it now - Jude Law and Sadie Frost? They'll probably give the parts to some wooden ex-Eastenders bimbos and ruin the whole thing.

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  29. Blake's 7 older than that by FeloniousPunk · · Score: 1

    Just a slight correction, Blake's 7 does not date from the early 80's, it dates from 1978. I remember watching the first season at age 9, but unfortunately never saw any of the other seasons as we moved back to the States at the end of 1978.
    A pity because the big sci-fi show in the States when I got back was Battlestar Galactica, which I thought was much inferior, even if the effects were a lot better.

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    1. Re:Blake's 7 older than that by TomV · · Score: 1

      Blake's 7 does not date from the early 80's, it dates from 1978

      Right on the mark. Series A Episode 1 "The Way Back" aired on 2nd Jan 1978, Series D Episode 13, "Blake" aired on 21st Dec 1981. So B7 very neatly spanned the cusp of 70s and 80s.

      tomV

  30. "Low Budget" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Bear in mind that when it was first screened, Blake's Seven was the most expensive series the BBC had ever made.
    Makes you wonder what they spent it on, really..

    1. Re:"Low Budget" by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      It was the late 70s, wasn't it? So probably most of the money went on cups of tea, biscuits and union-inflated wages.

      At least it was late enough in the 70s that they didn't have some of the problems that 'Space 1999' apparently did, with power strikes and three-day weeks while shooting the show.

    2. Re:"Low Budget" by brwski · · Score: 1

      Agreed...Blake's Seven was one of the cheapest looking shows ever, especially considering when it was made. Perhaps it was spent on screenwriters --- the scripts were pretty good. This show interested and amused me. It was pretty much (big announcer voice) "Socialists in Space!". Hey --- maybe that's why it looked so cheap! They evenly distributed the funding amongst the cast and crew... hmmm... brwski

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    3. Re:"Low Budget" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      '...the most expensive series the BBC had ever made.'

      It was. That doesn't mean everthing else by the BBC wasn't cheaper.

    4. Re:"Low Budget" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "most expensive series the BBC had ever made"

      Nope. Sorry. Cannot allow this.

      All Blakes 7 fans know that the props used on the Liberator set were made from Fairy Liquid bottles and sticky-back plastic, following designs supplied by Blue Peter.

      Get yer facts straight man!

    5. Re:"Low Budget" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Well, in the past people making science fiction series' spent money on `actors' and `writters', rather than special effects. Paying for humans rather than machines has gone out of fashion recently.

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  31. Don't tell Hollywood... by buckeyeguy · · Score: 1

    or they'll make a movie out of it. The idea well has dried up, and anything with even a modest fan base and opportunities for lots of CGI will be seized upon immediately.

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  32. Don't you just wish... by softspokenrevolution · · Score: 1

    A little cruise around the Doctor Who site gives a vague inkling of what might be up with that http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/index.shtml There isn't much other information though and most references to it are kind of buried, if I weren't so thoroughly lazy I would do a more thorough investigation. But come on, it's Richard E. Grant.

    1. Re:Don't you just wish... by jweatherley · · Score: 3, Funny

      Richard E. Grant as Doctor Who shouldn't be wasted on animated web cartoons. This should be on the big screen as Withnail in fucking space! It's ideal - Withnail was already dressed up suitably as the doctor. It would certainly liven things up if the Doctor turns up drunk in Skaro demanding the finest wines known to humanity^W Dalek-kind. Another episode could have the doctor and assistant searching for 'matter' in the Tardis kitchen sink. Of course plastic bags wrapped around the feet would provide suiable protection from harsh alien environments.

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  33. OT: Ultraviolet. by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

    Completely offtopic, and I am sorry for that, but Ultraviolet is a series that *needs* to be brought back. Joe Aherne - make it happen, please!!!

    If anyone hasn;t seen this series, go get the DVD (or download them off Kazaa..) You will be glad you did.

    1. Re:OT: Ultraviolet. by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      I couldn't disagree more! Well, with bringing it back, not with watching it. What I loved about it was that it ended with most of the questions unanswered. It got off the stage while we were still clapping rather than doing encores until we were wandering towards the exits.

      Contrast sharply with the neatly wrapped up arcs on Buffy, where every half dozen episodes Joss Whedon had to pull a new uber-baddie or midichlorian trick out of his posterior, so that by the time he tried to revisit basic vampires in the final series, they were a sad joke, and about as threatening as cheese mold. See also X Files dribbling to a sad, unlamented end, and the borg menace that became a slightly embarrasing stumbling joke in Voyager.

      Some things are best remembered fondly, and I believe that Ultraviolet is one of them.

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  34. Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have bought lately a small 17x17 cm motherboard and wan't to put it in a homemade cube frame.
    I've had already a name for it... Orac, as the supercomputer in blake's 7

  35. Don't get your hopes up by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

    And the BBC ran a similar story in 2000.

  36. That wouldn't be so bad by 0123456 · · Score: 1

    If they could get Natalie Portman to play Soolin in the remake :).

    1. Re:That wouldn't be so bad by dsplat · · Score: 1

      Somehow I doubt she'd want the part. But I couldn't help noticing the similarities between Servalan and Grayza. I wonder if Rebecca Rigg would be up for another villainess role.

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  37. Re:How Avon Survived by Magnetic_Monopole · · Score: 4, Funny

    Two alternative explanations: ...Gunshots...Servalan/Sleer saunters in...

    "How could you all miss?"

    (resumes bicycle tour)

    or

    Soldiers gather in circle around Avon, aim laser rifles, Avon ducks, soldiers in circle all shoot each other...

    (resumes bicycle tour)

  38. All I ever needed to know I learned from by Cally · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Blake's 7

    From
    this page - so good it had to be posted.



    * Trust is only dangerous when you have to rely on it.
    * Reality is a dangerous concept.
    * There is no logical reason why aliens should be hairy.
    * I am not stupid, I'm not expendable, and I'm not going.
    * No good deed goes unpunished.
    * It is frequently easier to be honest when you have nothing to lose.
    * Civilization has always depended on courtesy rather than truth.
    * On Earth it is considered ill-mannered to kill your friends while committing suicide.
    * The art of leadership is delegation.
    * All that patience gets you is older.
    * Show me someone who believes in something, and I will show you a fool.
    * Regret is part of being alive -- but keep it a small part.
    * He who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.
    * Infallibility depends on your point of view.
    * There are times when even the most cynical must trust in luck.
    * Heroics seldom run to schedule.
    * Dignity, at all costs, dignity.
    * The choice is very simple -- either you can fight, or you can die.
    * In the end, winning is the only safety.
    * Power usually makes its own rules.
    * Some days are better than others, Section Leader.
    * It is not necessary to become irrational in order to prove that one cares; indeed, it is not necessary to prove it at all.
    * While there's life, there's threat.
    * Luck has nothing to do with it.
    * Strategic withdrawl is running away, but with dignity.
    * Idealism is a wonderful thing; all you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use.
    * Nobody is indispensible.
    * Everyone's entitled to one really bad mistake.
    * In the end, your word is all there is, really.
    * There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them.


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  39. Must be a remake, can't be a continuation.... by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

    If they want to re-make it, it is imperative that they not try to continue where they left off.... If I recall correctly, Sevalan (the villain) was the only survivor.

    Oh, while I'm at it, let me add to the chorus: Avon rocks!

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    1. Re:Must be a remake, can't be a continuation.... by Cruel+Angel · · Score: 1

      People were shot, not definitavely killed. It had faded to black after Avon is caught, then you hear gunfire. They could all be alive

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  40. Blakes 7 was unique by simong · · Score: 2, Interesting
    as British SF goes, because apart from the shaky sets and dated effects (great at the time though) and some weak stories, it actually had an adult plot, well formed characters and genuine tension.

    However, Paul Darrow has been pitching this around for a couple of years now (the original plan was for a movie, and then it became a pilot and now it seems to be a treatment) and I really hope he keeps behind the cameras as he seems to have become an old luvvie in the ensuing years.

    1. Re:Blakes 7 was unique by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      >I really hope [Paul Darrow] keeps behind the cameras as he seems to have become an old luvvie in the ensuing years.

      See also Sir Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart. The thing about British luvvies is that they can actually act. Also, Avon wouldn't have to have that much screen time, as there's no reason to assume that he'd be one of the protagonists.

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  41. Due to release on DVD on 22/09 by Nemosoft+Unv. · · Score: 2, Informative

    For example, the first season is due out on 22nd September. Region 2 (obviously), but shouldn't be a problem. I think I'll order mine, never got my VHS tape collection complete... :(

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    1. Re:Due to release on DVD on 22/09 by don.g · · Score: 1

      That release date has been pushed back, and back, and back... I wouldn't hold your breath.

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  42. We've already had a prequel by rde · · Score: 1

    B5 came out several years after B7.

    Just a note to the producers: if they use the godawful theme music from the fourth series, violence will ensue, if I have to hunt down Paul Darrow myself.

    1. Re:We've already had a prequel by Harlequeen · · Score: 1

      I'd also agree on the music. Though I thought the original theme is still one of the best examples of theme music out there.

      BBC Radiophonics workshop did produce some crackers, including Dr Who of course.

  43. Oh, and by jesse.k · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Avon is the only returning character because at the end of the first series...

    EVERYONE ELSE DIES.

    1. Re:Oh, and by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Not everyone, just Trinity.

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    2. Re:Oh, and by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The question is, which side will Avon be on? At the end, as I recall, he wasn't in a very good position to dictate terms so his choices would probably have been die or enlist. His behaviour during the series indicated that, if offered a position of power and low risk (Servalan offered him power, but not safety) he would betray any principles he may have been using at the time. If this is set after Servalan's death, then I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Avon as President and Supreme Commander of the Terran Federation, or at the very least the power behind the throne.

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    3. Re:Oh, and by orac2 · · Score: 2

      His behaviour during the series indicated that, if offered a position of power and low risk (Servalan offered him power, but not safety) he would betray any principles he may have been using at the time.

      And yet... and yet...at the last, Avon stands over the fallen corpse of the only man who understood him but trusted him anyway, and choses certain death to make a final, pyrrhic, defence...

      Part of what was so cool about Avon was that he was genuinely at war with himself and so his motives where not always clear, even to him. After Blake left his darker side seemed to grow almost unchecked (remember him trying to throw Villa out the airlock late in the day, when in previous years he would often defend Villa against outsiders?) -- until that fateful ambush where the apparant triumph of his dark side in fact opened the door to his redemption...

      What side will Avon be on? I suspect not even Avon will know... And that'll be worth watching.

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  44. I think I cried iirc by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But it was okay because the announcer said "... and Blake's Seven will return in the Autumn"

    of course, it never did

    Orac, where are yooooooo?

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    1. Re:I think I cried iirc by Orac · · Score: 0

      Right here, buddy.

  45. Autumn by 0123456 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but did they say _which_ autumn :) ?

  46. Misleading headline by UrGeek · · Score: 1

    "Blake 7" is NOT returning. A new mini-series set in the "Blake 7" is being considered. Not the same thing.

    Now, Paul Darrow is a fine actor and Avon is a complex character and I do wish him well in this project. But still, I would look to the original series again, digitally restored in all of it's low budget glory. I would mourn Cally once again.

    And I always suspect that Avon would have survived the finale!

  47. Re:godawful theme music. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, what WAS the deal with the dodgy rhythm track??? I was only ten when Season four came out, and even i thought the new theme tune was pants.

  48. Battlestar Galactica rules by vurg · · Score: 1

    and also macgyver.

  49. The Perfect ending by LoFreQ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    B7 challenged TV viewers by constantly focusing on the dark themes surrounding unbeatable opression. And in the end they had the guts to finish it on a minor chord which solidified its distopian vision. With that ending it became a noir classic, and I don't want to see that screwed up by adding a "Phantom Menace" years later

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  50. Symmetry? by aurelian · · Score: 3, Funny

    Surely they just needed 1/8th of a cube and a couple of mirrors?

    1. Re:Symmetry? by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      That would be far more trouble than it was worth: I think the set was actually 5/6 of one cube (one wall missing) and 1/6 (one wall) of another so you could look through a door and see what was there.

  51. You know you're getting old when ... by linuxdoctor · · Score: 2, Funny

    you can remember with fondness the original "Dr. Who" and think that William Hartnell was the only "true" doctor. After that, even the original "Star Trek" series pales into insignificance.

    I remember racing home from school each afternoon to see what trouble the Doctor would get himself into or whether he would recover the key to his Tardis (the original Doctor lost the key quite a lot).

    "Dr. Who" is real science fiction. "Star Trek" is future history. Everything else doesn't count.

    1. Re:You know you're getting old when ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No! No! No!

      The REAL doctor was Tom Baker. The old fart, the 5th stooge, the Sherlock wannabe, the prep school dropout, the guy with the colourblind hair/wardrobe, the space tourist, the long haired hippy, and Mr. Bean are mere pretenders to the mantle of the TARDIS key.

      Indy has John Reese Davies and his whip. The doctor has his dog and his 50 metre scarf. Long live the scarf!

    2. Re:You know you're getting old when ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      William Hartnell was a good Doctor, but Tom Baker set the standard. Tom Baker IS The Doctor.

  52. Maybe cable/PBS will reair the original series now by coral256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I haven't seen Blake's 7 on TV in over a decade. (I even have a Tivo search for it). Maybe the sequel miniseries will prompt someone to reair the original series. BBC America at 2am? Anyone???

  53. It's flash again! Now i hope they fail! by Snaller · · Score: 1

    Or at least that they feed the webdesigner to the ravenous bugblatter beast of traal!

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  54. Premise of the Series by SailorBob · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the website:

    A Rebellion Reborn

    Paul 'Avon' Darrow remembers Terry Nation's early ideas for a revival and sets the scene for a Rebellion Reborn.

    As we have established against all odds; nobody wins, and if Blake's 7 in the 1980's ended with the triumph of 'Establishment Terror' and the least likely of a hopeful group of dissidents left to oppose it, then Blake's 7 three decades later, must spring forward from that unpromising base.

    The good/bad guy is beaten. All's wrong with the World/Universe. When has this been the case before? In Earth's history, many times.

    Terry's idea for a later reworking of his Blake's 7 concept was, as before, inspired by his previous work(s). A bleak Universe where if you're rich and powerful - or useful to those who are - you're in a kind of corrupt paradise. Then, out of nowhere, comes one man, then another and another and so on. Hope springs eternal, but (and it's a big but) are these new heroes truly heroic? Not in Terry Nation's Universe. They are, as before, recognisable misfits... Colin Wilson's Outsiders.

    Having said that, outsiders are those who trigger, either by default or design, the greatest of changes for those on the 'inside'. There is such a thing as a one-man (or in this case seven man) army and armchair enthusiasts will cheer them on, win or lose. In fact, it makes the enthusiasts feel a lot better if 'they' lose. It saves the insiders collective conscience and excuses them from taking up the mantle of outsiders. Until, of course, the next adventure.

    Therefore, Terry's concept for a TV Movie/Mini-Series with a view to develop into another series of Blake's 7, was as follows;

    The basic storyline was that the Federation, while still seeming all-powerful, would be rotting from within (cf, collapse of the Soviet Empire). Out of the past comes yesterday's man. But all our yesterdays are viewed with nostalgic affection. So, through no fault or will of his own the sole survivor of the original Blake's 7 becomes the catalyst for the creation of its successor. Terry likened this to Napoleon emerging from Elba and fighting his last hundred days. He was always going to lose, but he'd put up one hell of a fight. Glorious defiance is very appealing.

    Avon, imprisoned for 25-years, has in the minds of the average citizen essentially 'disappeared'. The Federation's propaganda machine has gone to great lengths to ensure that Blake and his compatriots are remembered simply as outlaws and certainly not hailed as martyrs. Information suppression plus the amount of physical time passed makes Avon a forgotten man. That said there is of course an underground network of dissidents for whom he represents the voice and potency of resistance and in many ways Avon will become the unwitting figurehead to their movement a reluctant El Cid.

    The new seven are like a wind, divine or not. Sometimes welcome, sometimes not, the wind is never static, it always moves on.

    Whereas, the mores and values of the TV audience of the time tempered Terry's vision of 'The Dirty Dozen in Space' playing more like 'Robin Hood in Space' the new series must be grittier, more believable, and possess an almost epic and mythic feel to it that will raise it above the 'SF bubblegum' that often predominates our screens.

    A good analogy for the series going forward would be West Wing meets The Dirty Dozen where the gloves are off and the rules of engagement ill-defined and thereby the outcome of any conflict either in battle, emotionally or politically, unpredictable!

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  55. Re:What's with the Linux Community? by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did Zen run lunix? That might be why nobody could understand how he worked, and why the (clearly Microsoft using) Federation was so keen to track him down. ORAC was prissy, self opinionated and not half as smart as he thought he was. Clearly a Mac.

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  56. Great news by Jahf · · Score: 1

    This is great news ... except ... damn I hated Avon (not hated as in "boy that Avon guy is bad" but hated as in "Dang I can't stand Paul Darrow's acting").

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  57. You're Jungian, aren't you? :) by Population · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't see it as the Arthurian theme. If anything, it was more of the Robin Hood theme.

    The problem with either of those comparisions is that Blake is not in a lot of the episodes.

    I guess you could make a "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead" comparision. But that has problems because there isn't an original story for the characters to be from. Just a theme.

    I liked it because it was different. In Star Trek, the crew is always right and good and more enlightened than everyone else in the universe.

    In Blake's 7.....
    AVON: Only seventy kilos... Vila, strip off the insulation material in the cargo hold. [Vila turns.] Vila! [Avon takes some small object from a panel and hands it to him.]

    VILA: But that's plastic. It weighs nothing.

    AVON: Get rid of it anyway.

    VILA: A kilo and a half if we're lucky.

    AVON: Do it! We've got five minutes. [Vila turns and heads out.] Not enough! Not nearly enough! Dammit, what weighs seventy kilos?

    [The door can be heard opening.]

    ORAC: Vila weighs seventy-three kilos, Avon.

    [The door closes.]

    [ Avon fetches his gun and gets a determined look on his face]

    AVON: [Whispering] Vila!... Vila?

  58. Beg to differ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Beg to differ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this is what we call DENIAL.

  59. Funny you should say that by Snaller · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was actually thinking of Blakes 7 when i saw Farscape - don't know why really, its not that they have that much obviously in common - apart from a group of people on the run from the police state.

    Blakes 7 was also unusual in that our heros were usually dealing from a position of strengh. Usually writers hate to make their people to strong because then they can't write their way out of it later (bad writers perhaps?) - but the ship "The Liberator" was the fastest ship in known space (only its sister ship was as fast, and it was only see twice and quickly met an untimely end), the ship has regenerative properties and could restore itself even after the most heavy of attacks. It had teleportation ability over wast distances, something that the federation had never been able to work out. The (almost) sentient computer Zen had wast amounts of knowledge about most things they ran into, and the ship was well stocked with copious amounts of food, clothes and valuables (in the form of gems, precious medals, and currency) - and at the end of season one they manage to aquired "Orac" before the federation does. A supercomputer of a special kind, its dying inventor originally invented the chip and computer principles that all computers in exsistance are based on - because of this the sentient Orac is able to tap into any computer system at all and control it.
    But that didn't really stifle the creativity - perhaps because there was always a certain amount of internal strife.

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    1. Re:Funny you should say that by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

      >It had teleportation ability over wast distances [...] Zen had wast amounts of knowledge

      That's because it was a nuclear wessel.

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    2. Re:Funny you should say that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never seen an episode, but it sounds like it could've had a real "deus ex machina" problem.

      (Not that "Star Trek: Fill in the Blank" doesn't)

  60. Hypercube by orim · · Score: 1

    Did the same guys make the sequel (hypercube)? Or was is just the SciFi channel?
    I thought it was just as good... a very nice extension of the first movie without making it boring...

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  61. Sweet! by rnws · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Avon is one of my role-models, up their with Mr Burns. An A1 kick-ass bastard. :-)

    That and Zen, Slave and Orac were pretty damned cool too.

    Now if we could just get rid of those tree-hugging, moralizing, shrink-visiting, dickheads who write scripts for the ST universe...



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  62. Where are the B7 books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been a long time fan of Blake's 7, but am disappointed by the lack of books. As far as I know- there are only 3-

    - Their First Adventure
    - Project Avalon
    - Avon: A Terrible Aspect

    If they can't excite the public to demand more books, what hope is there for recreating the TV show?

  63. Cube budget by 0123456 · · Score: 1

    AFAIR it worked out to be about 150,000 in UK pounds, so that would make it about CAN$350,000.

  64. BBC Special Effects budget in 1978 = $2 US by holt_rpi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    $1.67 - Doctor Who
    $0.33 - Blake's 7

    I remember watching both shows (and growing up on Tom Baker when Dr. Who was broadcast on the local PBS station in the early 1980s) and remembering, as a four year-old, "that doesn't even look like a real spaceship" (in reference to Blake's 7).

    While CG special effects have gotten better and cheaper over the years, one wonders if they're going to try and overcompensate for past gaffes by over-SFXing the new show. If it ever ets off the ground.

    The really tough part is that they might have to, because the first thing that many think of when you play word association with Blake's 7 is "whoa, the effects."

    1. Re:BBC Special Effects budget in 1978 = $2 US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but you see outside america, people concentrate on a little thing called plot... things have a story, rather than lots of pretty special effects.

      Then again, I suppose it's a good analogy to the states - lots of flash, no substance.

    2. Re:BBC Special Effects budget in 1978 = $2 US by holt_rpi · · Score: 1
      Then again, I suppose it's a good analogy to the states - lots of flash, no substance.
      Just like our websites! =D

      I agree, though - part of why I always loved Doctor Who (and panned Star Trek) when I was growing up is because there were not only complicated plot situations, but also characters that were complicated and not transparent like so many in "good effects" shows stateside.

      There were lots of other things that made it fun, too - Leela would generally have a "fierce savage" moment, K-9 would use his ray too much and lose power, The Doctor would involve his hat and scarf in a ploy to fool the Daleks and save a planet, etc.

      Speaking of Daleks, imagine how much cheaper it was to film in a universe without stairs! ;)
  65. Hold me back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blake 7.

    Cheesy sets.

    Cheesy plots.

    Cheesy actors.

    Hold me back. I want it. I enjoy bad "entertainment". I can't stand it anymore.

    Hld me back. I can't stand not having it.

    Ooh.

    Hd m bck. I cn't lve wthout it.
    H m b. I c' l wth t

  66. $5-6m (�3-3.7m)? by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    Okay, It's an article on a UK specific website, about a remake of a UK produced show which will only be aired in the UK and presumably written by a UK citizen in the UK.

    So why did they quote the cost in US dollars first followed by parenthetical Pounds?

    The recolonization wasn't supposed to start to soon.

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  67. So who's ever heard of.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. a high budget UK sci-fi?

  68. Running Orac On Amigas by meehawl · · Score: 1

    This sounds about as promising and likely as the Return of Amiga. Come to think of it, mayvbe they'll run Orac on a Beowulf cluster of Amigas...

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  69. Re: UK Sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...he seemed pretty pissed, but more in the UK sense. Ok, these are the only definitions I've heard of, and neither seems to fit the context: The American meaning of "pissed", as in Angry, or "pissed off". The UK/Canadian phrase "pissed drunk", which means that a person isn't passed out, but merely staggering about with slurred speach and perhaps mildly rude, but not quite violent (yet). Probably originating from what happens when you drink a few beers. What is meant by the UK sense?

  70. Clear neutron blasters for firing by dmitri2060 · · Score: 1

    Cool. Blakes 7 is my 2nd favorite show after Babylon 5.

    1. Re:Clear neutron blasters for firing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh - B5 really PISSED ME OFF - the 3rd/4th seasons were great but season 5 was TERRIBLE.

      See B5 in it's original form - read Lord Of The Rings.

  71. Reference: It was better than Cats... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
    It occurs to me that the SNL "It was better than Cats..." reference is older than many Slashdoters. Scary.

    Promo for a hypnotist's show, lots of people saying in a robotic $cientologist monotone, "It was better than Cats.", "I laughed, I cried..."

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  72. Uh oh, they're begging for advertisers! by Kaishaku255 · · Score: 1

    At the top of the website they have two banners which say To advertise on this site please click this panel. Clicking on either directs mail to avon@blakes7.com

    I think I found out how they plan on financing the project! ;)

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  73. Re: UK Sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    There is no UK phrase "Pissed Drunk". There is a UK word "Pissed", which means drunk.

  74. I intended to live forever or die trying: Vila by wumpus2112 · · Score: 1

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  75. Shakespeare in space ... by tyroneking · · Score: 1

    ... now that would make a better idea than re-gargling Blakes 7. When I was a kid B7 was the tops - I even made a paper blaster and teleportation ring, such was my devotion.

    But now, after the wonderful Farscape, even the basic concepts of B7 do not compare (an evil Federation controlling a WHOLE galaxy?)

    Much as I respect Darrow's acting in the original B7 (matched only by that sneaky thief guy - who taught me that 'the best lock pickers learn to think like the lock maker'), this whole B7 resurrection is a dumb idea.

    Stick to the re-runs on UK Gold ...

  76. There's something Terribly Wrong With This by athos-mn · · Score: 1

    They included a apostrophe in the title! (Blakes 7/Blake's 7)

  77. Blake's 7 on DVD by jbs0902 · · Score: 1
    OK, it appears B7 will finally be coming out on DVD (as opposed to the $20 per episode VHS). Unfortunatly, it is only in the UK.

    So, having never thought about this before and having 1 million people in the forum who have, what do I need to do to play the Region-2/PAL DVDs on my Region-1/NTSC system?

    I assume the Region coding is no problem and can be handled in at least 1 of 3 ways (below). But does the PAL/NTSC formating matter? Won't the DVD-Player just reformat the MPEG to whatever the TV expects?

    I assume I can get around the Region coding (MPAA bastards) by:

    1. Buying/Modding my DVD player to region free mode;
    2. Using the Windows Control Panel setting to turn the DVD-Drive into a Region-2 drive. I have to 2 DVD-Drives, I assume 1 can be R1 and the other R2; or
    3. Rip the DVD to the hard drive and during ripping romove the Macrovision & Region coding.

    Thoughts from those with more experience doing this?
  78. ObFarscape: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    writers with such talent - and perhaps as important, producers who can recognise that talent - are rare

    There's a bunch of them in Australia with nothing much to do right now.

  79. Kerr Avon: Best TV Hacker Ever by kremvax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Really,

    In terms of sheer personality, traits, quirks, strenths, paranoias, I haven't seen any screen representation of a real Hacker that even comes close.

    A Hacker's Hacker. Hmmm, maybe I just like the sound of the word... hacker's hacker, going to get pint of a Hacker Pschorr...

    Kremvax

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  80. "Most expensive series the BBC had made"? Nuh-uh! by payndz · · Score: 1
    Blake's 7 took over a drama slot from the long-running police series Z-Cars. Which meant it had the same per-episode budget as Z-Cars, because that's how the BBC worked back then - '50 minute weekly drama series = £X per week'. Now I remember Z-Cars (showing my age), and it was not exactly packed with action and special effects...

    While I'm sure the Visual Effects and Set Design departments were stoked at being able to do a sci-fi series that wasn't Doctor Who for a change, I doubt they were as keen on doing it on Z-Cars' budget! Hence the spaceships made from hairdryers and walls that wobbled if people touched them.

    Fortunately, however cheap the sets, props and effects may have been, the stories and imagination put into them made up for it.

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  81. B7 Special Effects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The special effects for the early seasons were pretty naff.

    On the other hand, the third season intro sequence where they were landing the Scorpio on a planet with the overlay of the flight controls was without a doubt *the best intro sequence I have ever seen*.

    A couple of years ago I borrowed the entire three seasons on VHS and watched them over a couple of weeks. The funny thing was, sometimes they'd have the special effects (and it would look naff) - and sometimes they wouldn't.

    Eg Person A shoots Person B with flashy lights = naff.
    Close up of person A who you know is shooting Person B, then flash to Person C (an onlooker) who gets a sudden look of horror on their face, then flash back to Person B's smoking boots = good.

    Where there were 'gaps' that traditionally would be filled with fx and they showed people reacting to the events instead, those shows stood the test of time really well.

    As a general rule the best B7 episodes were the ones with minimal special effects.

    1. Re:B7 Special Effects by mikerich · · Score: 1
      Ah but how about the Liberator? It was a fabulous ship, utterly beautiful - then ruined by the BBC's pancake lighting.

      It would be nice to see that done in CGI.

      Best wishes,
      Mike.

      PS. Any chance we can get Eliza Dushku as the young Servalan?

  82. Tele.......port by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

    My mates and I spent a long summer watching Blakes 7, a couple of episodes one night a week for many many weeks. We loved it, but mostly in the way of any grouyp of friends watching a show like it: MST3k style.

    From the early season 'esky of doom' - an 'icechest' as you american call it, that was used to carry gold, explosives, computer parts, and also to beat people up. Vila clocked a guy in the head with it a few times.

    The three different locations used as 'planets':
    - the forest
    - the quarry
    - the refinery

    The episode where they run down the same corridor 4 times, each time witha different light filter. This signified the many levels down they were.

    The ending - everyone dies.

    Despite its cheesiness, it was great. And sometimes, genuinely scary, if not for the screen, but the ideas presented.

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  83. I can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a huge fan, in fact my PC is called Slave, my server is Zen and my notebook is Orac. I had to change the name of my notebook a couple of years ago because the uni supercomputer admin wanted to call the new supercomputer Orac. He was overrulled by his boss who ended up calling the SP something boring like SG124. So I got the Orac name back and I'm still using it. I'm now good friends with the Uni SP admin based on the fact we are both B7 fans.

  84. sounds familiar by ningcat · · Score: 1

    "Blake's 7 relaunch on film" (April 2000)
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/705922.st m

  85. Great show, but that last episode traumatized me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wathced this show on Public TV when I was like maybe 10 to 12 and loved it, even though it mostly went over my head. But that last episode really fricking traumatized me. I guess I wasn't yet fully able to fully seperate reality from fantasy, and seeing the whole cast being slaughtered was disturbing.

  86. Perfect Star Trek tie in,,, alas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    There was a perfect opportunity to tie B7 in with star trek. Remember Q's introduction brought in a trooper controlled by drug onto the bridge of the Enterprise - looked like a B7 trooper. Then there were the references to humanities 'dark past' in star trek - would have been a perfect tie in.


    Pity the 'Enterprise' series isn't consistant enough to incorporate the 'dark' beginings of the federation mentioned in ST:TOS and ST:TNG.


    yet another opportunity for a great story missed imagine the Enterprise fighting side by side with the liberator in some sort of temporal tie in that threatens the entire human race. The Liberators Biogenic regenerative capacity used to heal itself after a long bout of galactic flu.


    But only a shakspearian Kirk/Avon or Avon/Picard vs Servelan/Super Weapon would have made it interesting.

  87. dead actors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but who will play Villa and Avon? Those guys MADE that show.

  88. I mentioned this in August! (Rejected) by Bill+Kendrick · · Score: 1

    Bastards! :) I tried posting something about this (which included news of the upcoming DVD release of the original series, to both the UK and the US), back in August!

    2002-08-16 07:48:19 Blake's 7 coming to DVD (articles,movies) (rejected)

    Oh well... I guess I'm more glad it got the attention, than I am for the karma points... the delicious... precious... karma points! *drool*

  89. Same story was out three years ago by bartash · · Score: 1

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/705922.st m

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