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Skydiving Across the English Channel

loonix_gangsta writes "Felix Baumgartner, an Austrian, has become the first person to skydive 35 km (22 miles) across the English Channel. Wearing a jumpsuit with a large carbon fin strapped to his back he reached speeds of up to 360 km/h. The whole flight took approximately 14 minutes. The newsitem is being covered by the BBC, SkyNews and CNN."

323 comments

  1. Moneypenny by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Funny
    Man, that's something that you would expect to see in a Bond movie.

    You know, the plane is blowing up, Bond puts two in the bad guy and grabs a boogie board then straps it to his back. The music kicks in ("DAA DAA DOOOM DAA-DAA, DAA-DAA-DAA"), Bond grabs the gal, and whoosh, out the door.

    From the CNN article: "He said cloud cover meant he could not see where he was going and had to follow his two planes across the Channel.". I bet nobody believed the pilot of the 747 at first. "No really, was a guy, with a rocket pack or something, honest!".

    1. Re:Moneypenny by Drakonian · · Score: 1

      Never mind a Bond movie, it was in Tombraider 2. Or at least I'm assuming it was something like that.

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    2. Re:Moneypenny by mjh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Interestingly enough, something similar to this was in the latest Lara Croft flik. I haven't seen it, but this part was interesting. During one part of the movie Angelina Jolie and someone else were trying to escape and they went to the top of some building in Hong Kong. They had a special jumpsuit on with webbing between the arms & body and between the legs. Being chased, they simply lept off the edge and flew themselves to a boat waiting in Hong Kong's harbor - about 3 miles away.

      What's interesting about it is that the scene is *NOT* a special effect. It was really done by two people. Jolie is a skydiver herself, and wanted to do the actual stunt but the producers wouldn't let her for fear of the insurance costs.

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    3. Re:Moneypenny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not a special effect?
      I am a skydiver with 900 jumps, and I have 60
      jumps on the Birdman wingsuit, which is used in the movie.

      1. There is no building on this planet tall enough
      to leap from and glide 3 miles with a wingsuit.

      2. In the movie you see them running across roof
      and then jumping, while wearing conventional
      suits. Then their suits "magically" sprout
      wings a moment after the jump. You CANNOT run
      wearing a wingsuit; You can only waddle.

      3. It is apparent from your post that you got your
      information from that USA Today article which
      has been the subject of much ridicule among
      skydivers on www.dropzone.com forums.
      Incidently, no one can verify that Jolie has
      ever made a jump, despite her claims.

    4. Re:Moneypenny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well i actively jump these wingsuits (here is a pic) while angelina may have done a few jumps she was no where near the experience level needed to fly a wingsuit, OR do a base jump. Instead 2 guys did that jump and they superimposed her face :)

    5. Re:Moneypenny by ShortedOut · · Score: 3, Funny

      Didn't Wile E Coyote do this in the 60's?

    6. Re:Moneypenny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're interested do a search for "Tomb Raider" on dropzone.com, there's been a whole load of discussion on this. All is NOT as is seems in the film.....

      Gus

    7. Re:Moneypenny by JonKatzIsAnIdiot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Incidentally, just because she didn't tell one segment of a subculture, doesn't mean she hasn't jumped. Not everyone hangs out, or even cares about, the boards you frequent.

    8. Re:Moneypenny by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 1
      DAA DAA DOOOM DAA-DAA, DAA-DAA-DAA

      I think you meant:
      DAA-DAA DAA-DAAAAAA, DAA-DAA-DAAAAAAA

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    9. Re:Moneypenny by CheeseMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a little thing called editing, my friend. Just because they didn't film the entire jump in one continuous segment, and no doubt highly exaggerated the length of the flight, that doesn't mean it was a special effect!

      I believe the parent poster just wanted to let everyone know there really are such things as wingsuits and that was real footage of two people flying in them. If you're already an expert on the subject, that's fine, you really didn't need to reply... of course, it's always a good idea to let everyone know how smart you are.

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    10. Re:Moneypenny by sig+cop · · Score: 0
      No, I think you meant:
      DAA-DAA DAA DA-DAA-DAAAAAAAAAA
      DAAAAAA-DAAA-DAA, D-D-D-DAA,DAAA
      (break it down)DAAA-DAAA-DA-DADADADA-DAA-DAAA

      (refrain)DAA DAA DAAAAAAA DAA-DA-DAADAADAAAAAAAA!
      DAA-AAA-AAAAAAAAA (building here) DAAA DAA DAAA DAAAAAA
      DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! (swellingingly)DA DAAAA DAAAAAA DAAAAAAAAA DAAAAAAAAAAA DAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

      (chorus) DA DAAA DAAAA DAAA (key change) DAAA DAAA DAAAA AAA AAAAAACHO AAA
      (enter horns) DA-WA-DA-WAAA WAAAAA!
      (this is where he takes off his pants)DAAAAAAAAAAA DAAA DAAAAAAAAAAAA DAAA
      (then about four minutes of this)DAA DAA DAAAA ADDD ADDD DAAAAD DAAAA

      (finally, the guitar solo)DAA DAAAADAA DAADA
      DAADADAA DAAA DAAAAAAAAAAAD DAAAAA
      (guitar catches on fire)DA DAAAAAA DAAAA

      (big finale)DA

    11. Re:Moneypenny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless she hired a dropzone to do something special for her somewhere other than a dropzone, somebody on "the boards we frequent" i.e. dropzone.com or rec.skydiving would know something about it. For example, we have verified information that Tom Cruise is or was a skydiver. I've seen pictures of him doing it. Those pictures look like he's using student gear so I don't know how far he got. An instructor I know took Cameron Diaz for a tandem. These are verifiable.
      If Jolie was really a skydiver, she would jump at least occasionally at an established dropzone, unless there's some secret club of famous people who skydive. Yeah, sure.
      Just because you've made one or two jumps does not make you a skydiver, press statements and personal bragging notwithstanding. To qualify to do the jump in Tombraider 2 would take about 500 skydives (recommended) just to be qualified to jump the wingsuit. Some people have done wingsuit jumps with less, but a couple tandem jumps or being fresh off AFF or even a B or C license is not going to cut it.

      Peter
      AFF, Tandem instructor
      Got a couple Birdman jumps too

    12. Re:Moneypenny by Snodgrass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They didn't glide 3 miles. In the movie the guy says that 3 miles is too far, so after a little while (once they were far enough away from the building, I guess) they opened normal parachutes.

      Yeah, I saw it, I admit it.

    13. Re:Moneypenny by mikeophile · · Score: 1
      Yeah, an 8-10K foot building might be stretching it a bit, and sure, the suits should have been baggy and cumbersome while they ran across the roof.

      Had they done so in the movie, we would have missed Angelina Jolie's skin-tight, peanut-smuggling jumpsuit.

    14. Re:Moneypenny by mjh · · Score: 1
      I believe the parent poster just wanted to let everyone know there really are such things as wingsuits and that was real footage of two people flying in them.
      Thank you. That is what I was trying to say.
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    15. Re:Moneypenny by matt-fu · · Score: 4, Funny
      by Anonymous Coward on 09:52 AM July 31st, 2003 (#6580004)

      I am a skydiver with 900 jumps, and I have 60 jumps on the Birdman wingsuit, which is used in the movie.

      Incidently, no one can verify that Jolie has ever made a jump, despite her claims.


      Incidentally, the same could be said about you.

    16. Re:Moneypenny by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Where'd they find a guy with a rack like that?

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    17. Re:Moneypenny by sig+cop · · Score: 0
      Also, all of us parachuters like to have raunchy gay butt sex in our secret sky diving clubs. I personally prefer sex with goats, but they let me in as an exception



      Peter

      AFF, Tandem instructor

    18. Re:Moneypenny by Wocko · · Score: 1

      This is absolutely true, because I saw them filming it.

      It was amazing. Since I work on the harbourfront in Hong Kong, I could look out of my office window and SEE people in free-fall below the tops of some of the buildings in Hong Kong. They would then pop their chute somewhere under 500 feet, I believe.

      Later on that week, one of my friends was out drinking and happened to bump into the stunt coordinator (or someone like that) and he said that the skydivers were getting some obscene amount per jump - about 2000 Pounds Sterling (3200 USD). And these guys were doing 5-10 jumps a day!

      Nice money.

    19. Re:Moneypenny by mosschops · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, the same could be said about you.

      Perhaps he's not so anonymous afterall...? :-)

  2. Sooooo... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Funny

    "jumpsuit with a large carbon fin strapped to his back "

    So, does he play 'Shark' when he gets into the water?

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  3. Nice one my son! by BigAlexK · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently his backpack was running Linux, that's how he stayed up for so long ;-)

    1. Re:Nice one my son! by Marc2k · · Score: 2, Funny

      He must have insmod'ed Windows, he was only up for about 14 minutes.

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    2. Re:Nice one my son! by simonecaldana · · Score: 1

      No way, 14 minutes of uptime surely mean WinME.

    3. Re:Nice one my son! by simonecaldana · · Score: 1

      ok, dude, please close your vnc client and stop watching what I am posting to ./ :)

    4. Re:Nice one my son! by simonecaldana · · Score: 1

      if 14 minutes of that uptime is much, the one who need viagra is you :))

    5. Re:Nice one my son! by Binestar · · Score: 3, Funny

      No way, 14 minutes of uptime surely mean WinME.

      You've seen WinME up for 14 minutes straight? Oh, you're counting boot up time...

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    6. Re:Nice one my son! by Huxley_Dunsany · · Score: 1, Funny

      ---Apparently his backpack was running Linux, that's how he stayed up for so long ;-)---

      Ummm, or Viagra.... :-)
      Huxley

    7. Re:Nice one my son! by Sri+Lumpa · · Score: 2, Funny

      But his photographer was running Windows:

      "A cameraman following him passed out through lack of oxygen in the plane before the jump.

      And when he jumped his legs and glider got entangled and he had to cut his glider into pieces, he said. "

      With the channel beneath you it gives a new meaning to BLUE screen of death.

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    8. Re:Nice one my son! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you need to be shot in the face for that comment...

      fucking nerd.

    9. Re:Nice one my son! by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      "that's how he stayed up for so long"

      I have many emails promising the same thing...

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    10. Re:Nice one my son! by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      that or viagra

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  4. Skydiving. by haeger · · Score: 4, Funny

    The newsitem is being covered by the BBC, SkyNews and CNN.

    How appropriate.

    .haeger

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    1. Re:Skydiving. by LePrince · · Score: 1
      Maybe it's a division of Skynet...

      ;-)

    2. Re:Skydiving. by MonTemplar · · Score: 1, Funny

      Maybe it's a division of Skynet...

      No, it's a division of the Evil Empire of Rupert Murdoch.

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    3. Re:Skydiving. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lame

  5. So he made it? by Randolpho · · Score: 1, Funny

    Nobody had any blitz flashbacks?

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    1. Re:So he made it? by worst_name_ever · · Score: 2, Funny
      Nobody had any blitz flashbacks?

      One would think not, as the Blitz was in the other direction...

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    2. Re:So he made it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The air attacks on England were referred to as the "Battle of Britain." Blitzkrieg referred to Germany's rapid advance into Eastern Europe and involved a coordinate effort of land and air attacks. This flight took place FROM England and into France. I don't think this would bring any flashbacks.

    3. Re:So he made it? by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, there are reports of older french citizens cutting rail lines and blowing up bridges when they saw something that fast coming from england to france...

    4. Re:So he made it? by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 1

      but the grand-parent said 'the blitz', which is the period after the Battle of Britain when Hitler had given up invading England and just told his bombers to pound the tar out of London by night.

    5. Re:So he made it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "Battle of Britain" was the time we were standing alone against some bastard who had taken over the entire continent, who just still had Russia on his side.

      The blitz were the carpet bombing of British cities by night with obvious consquences, the devitation caused in London or Berlin was inconsequential compared to the fate of Coventry and Dresden.

      An awful time, you can understand why it colours Europeans' view of war.

  6. Skydiving? by jason.hall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can it still be called skydiving in this case? Looks more like he was just the external payload for a small glider! Still, looks like fun.

    1. Re:Skydiving? by mjh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly! The BBC article mentioned that he was in "free fall"! I've got about 900 skydives, and if you've got wings attached to you, that ain't free fall... at least it wasn't when I was skydiving.

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    2. Re:Skydiving? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      It's not flying; it's falling with style.

    3. Re:Skydiving? by The+Dobber · · Score: 1

      Your laser envy is showing again.

      20-19-18-17-16

    4. Re:Skydiving? by Pionar · · Score: 1

      On the Bob and Tom Show this morning, Chick mentioned this story, and the wire report said it was the first flying crosing of the Channel without a plane. Bob then said, "He didn't fly, he FELL!" Just a funny comment I wanted to share.

    5. Re:Skydiving? by Stone316 · · Score: 1

      So I guess gliders "free fall" as well... Hope my wife doesn't find out, cause she won't let me get my license if she hears that!

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    6. Re:Skydiving? by Razor+Blades+are+Not · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In the sense that he was unpowered, it's free fall.

      There's obviously a fine line between gliders and parachutists anyway... The difference between guiding and arresting your descent with your arms, a birdman suit, a backpack wing, a parachute, a hang glider and an enclosed glider is all really just a matter of degree. Each technique uses the aerodynamic properties (such that they are) of their method to the best of their abilities.

      I guess the major difference is that gliders can generate enough lift to reverse their descent. In that sense, Mr Baumgartners efforts don't qualify as a glider.

  7. sure beats the tunnel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    no need for a ticket and all.

    1. Re:sure beats the tunnel by khaine · · Score: 0

      Who needs a ticket for the tunnel? If you brave the radid Foxes and don't mind traveling in a little less than ecconomy class then you can travel for free.

      Hundreds of asylum seekers do it every day ;-)

  8. Brings a whole new meaning to... by lewiz · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Is it..."
    "No, actually, it's Felix Baumgartner."
    "Oh."

    1. Re:Brings a whole new meaning to... by stu_coates · · Score: 5, Funny

      I saw this guy on TV and he looked more like Buzz Lightyear!

      To Calais... and beyond.... ;-)

    2. Re:Brings a whole new meaning to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No! It's the next candidate for the Darwin Awards :)

    3. Re:Brings a whole new meaning to... by sbowles · · Score: 1

      Falling with style!

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  9. cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thats just fucking cool

  10. Hmm.. by Jonsey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He must have accelerated slowly.

    14 minutes is ~0.23 hours. 360km/h * .23h == 82.8km

    What interests me, is how he managed to accelerate up to the 360 kph mark, and slow back down, without the sharp sudden stop that I associate with skydiving. (C'mon you know you saw him bouncing along a field until he smacked into an old hardwood)

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    1. Re:Hmm.. by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He probably reached that speed towards the beginning of his flight/glide/dive, up in the much thinner (= less drag) air.

      As for slowing down, there are these devices called "parachutes" that skydivers, the succesful ones anyways, tend to favor.

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    2. Re:Hmm.. by aziraphale · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think you've forgotten about the fact that skydivers usually wear parachutes.

      Normal behavior for a skydiver is to fall out of a plane, accellerate up to terminal velocity, maintain that speed for a while, then open your parachute, which slows you down to a lower terminal velocity, then hit the ground and (hopefully) stop.

      Adding horizontal displacement to the mix shouldn't change the nature of the problem too much....

    3. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well his first parachute got twisted and he had to cut the line..... could be 'caus he was moving WAY fast.

    4. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a slow acceleration time, it's the amount of time he drifted down with the parachute deployed that pulls the average velocity down.

    5. Re:Hmm.. by Jonsey · · Score: 1

      Actually, and probably due to it being Thursday, that thought hadn't crossed my mind.

      And you know what they say: "If at first you don't succeed, skydiving might not be for you."

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    6. Re:Hmm.. by buzolich · · Score: 1

      That math might make sense if he was traveling 360 kph horizontally, but I have a feeling this was more of a diagonal. He was in a 4G negative dive with a 747...at what range?

    7. Re:Hmm.. by kaphein · · Score: 0

      According to CNN it took six minutes and 22 seconds.

      "jumping from an aircraft above the English port of Dover and landing near Calais six minutes and 22 seconds later with crowds" no sig

    8. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the original quote was: "You were in a 4G inverted dive with a Mig-28?"

    9. Re:Hmm.. by HereTheDogIsBuried · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In skydiving you acclerate pretty fast but there is a target speed that you can hardly pass, it depends on your position, if you go belly down you go slower than if you have your head down (or up).

      Slowdown is pretty sharp too, but it is still not an instant stop, so the shock is there but it normally doesn't tears the limbs.

    10. Re:Hmm.. by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Those figures aren't surprising. It's a little glider. I doubt it can stall like a regular glider and come to a momentary standstill, but still it has to have some kind of stall characteristic which usually means it can be slowed down quite a bit before it starts dropping like a rock again. Also, he had to have pulled a parachute at the end. That's what's really pulling down the average. Also, maybe he has to pull a chute or else it's a glide and not a dive. If this becomes popular, you just know that at least two obscure organizations will spend a lot of time writing regulations and bylaws, arguing about what's certified, etc.

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    11. Re:Hmm.. by Jonsey · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that he reached that speed horizontally.

      Diagonally that's a good bit less impressive. Anyone know what Terminal Velocity in freefall is offhand?

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    12. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parachutes? We don't need no steekin'....

      See my reply below, I was under the impression he reached 360kph horizontal.

      Jonsey.

    13. Re:Hmm.. by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 1

      For a typical skydiver, somewhere anywhere between 120mph (horizontal) to 180mph (head/feet first). That's at altitudes of 10000ft. Probably be higher at higher altitudes (again, less drag). As for "diagonal" speed, well, why not? Assuming his glide path was striaght (almost certainly NOT the case, but hey...) he was at a downward angle of around 25 degrees. I see no reason the "diagonal" speed isn't fair. Quite a few speed records have been set that way (X-1, X-15, etc), although they were going UP at the time.

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    14. Re:Hmm.. by Molina+the+Bofh · · Score: 3, Funny


      Interesting. I have an idea. How about we steal all these "parachutes" from the whole world and ask for one trillion dollars yp return them? Without these "parachutes" all "skydivers" would die.
      </dr evil's voice>

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    15. Re:Hmm.. by Jonsey · · Score: 1

      It's not unfair, it's just less impressive to me, because the downward part of the vector counts.

      Mind you, now having RTFA, and seeing his setup more discripively, it's even less impressive still, because he was "gliding" in very much the way others have posted.

      Much credit to him, for finding something that hadn't been done, and doing it, but it's still more fun for me to imagine him bouncing across a field. : )

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    16. Re:Hmm.. by Raindeer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since your replies seem to suggest your sincere, I thought I'd give a reply.

      Jumping from the height this guy was on, means you have less drag, but the drag increases when you go lower, until he reaches the lower parts of the atmosphere where unpowered flight seems to be limited to about 220kph. Now would he have jumped out at 30km height, he would have broken the sound barrier and then, slowed down to 220kph.

      This ofcourse holds untill the density goes (quite abruptly) up to that of solid rock, at which point velocity goes down to zero.

    17. Re:Hmm.. by bakreule · · Score: 4, Informative
      Normal behavior for a skydiver is to fall out of a plane, accellerate up to terminal velocity, maintain that speed for a while, then open your parachute, which slows you down to a lower terminal velocity, then hit the ground and (hopefully) stop.

      If this is a troll, I'll bite, but since there are two comments in the same vein, I don't think it is. Unless the trolls are teaming up.. dear god..

      Speaking from skydiving experience, if you open your parachute at 360kph, the parachute will be ripped right off your back and probably break a few bones in the process.

      Even during a "normal" skydive the diver can accelerate to around 160mph (sorry for the sudden unit switch) by falling vertically. However, before deploying the parachute, the skydiver must slow themselves down by going into the "neutral" position: arched back, hands and legs out. This will slow the diver down to around 120mph, which is safe to deploy the canopy.

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    18. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      [OT] But why not?

      I didn't know that at certain altitudes Terminal velocity for something vaguely person-shaped could beat out the speed of sound.

      And as I write this I realize that as the air gets LESS dense, sound travels slower. :: FacePalm ::

      Well, this post added nothing : ) I'll put it on AC.
      -Jonsey

    19. Re:Hmm.. by aziraphale · · Score: 1

      I understood he ditched the wing before deploying the chute. Presumably bleeding off the horizontal speed wouldn't be much harder than it is for a normal skydiver... especially given that with a glider wing, you can trade speed for altitude fairly easily.

      How fast is a sky diver usually going horizontally when they get out of a plane?

    20. Re:Hmm.. by attaboy · · Score: 1

      From the Sky news article: "The 22 mile crossing took Baumgartner just six minutes and 20 seconds"

      Also, it seems they were measuring diagonal speed and not horizontal speed for some of these more inflated numbers

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    21. Re:Hmm.. by EReidJ · · Score: 4, Funny
      Normal behavior for a skydiver is to fall out of a plane, accellerate up to terminal velocity, maintain that speed for a while, then open your parachute, which slows you down to a lower terminal velocity, then hit the ground and (hopefully) stop.

      Um, no, there's no hopefully about it. When you hit the ground, you WILL stop, parachute or no parachute.

      The state of your body when you stop is open for debate...

    22. Re:Hmm.. by bakreule · · Score: 2, Informative
      How fast is a sky diver usually going horizontally when they get out of a plane?

      On a normal skydive, about 90-110mph, depending on the plane. No idea for this jump, considering the special nature....

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    23. Re:Hmm.. by attaboy · · Score: 1

      A couple of the pictures show him with his chute open and the wings still on.

      Image here.
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    24. Re:Hmm.. by Asprin · · Score: 1


      I'm not saying it isn't possible, what with wind currents and all, but that top speed bothers me. 360 km/h ~= 226 mph, and that's NASCAR racing speed, folks, not a paraplane. I have a hunch we may be in the presence of a typo -- 36.0km/h would be more in line with my expectations of reality.

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    25. Re:Hmm.. by the_mind_ · · Score: 1

      Normal behavior for a skydiver is to fall out of a plane, accellerate up to terminal velocity, maintain that speed for a while, then open your parachute, which slows you down to a lower terminal velocity, then hit the ground and (hopefully) stop.

      Trust me. Once you hit the ground you will definitely stop.

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    26. Re:Hmm.. by Asprin · · Score: 1

      I am a dumb-ass. RTFA - I just saw a diagram of what he did, and that 360kph is probaby right, I thought he was using a paraplane-like-device. Someone mod me down to spare me the humility of repeated flamings.

      Thank you.

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    27. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a skydiver. One of the disciplines of skydiving is called speed skydiving. You attempt to maximize your surface area to body weight ratio and create as fast a terminal velocity as you can. Look at this page: http://www.speedskydiving.net/top5.php. The speeds are in kilometers per hour. They were measured very carefully. No, those speeds are not made up. No, we're not lying to you. No, they didn't use a jetpack, or a wing, or any kind of device except their own bodies. Yes, the top speed is almost 500km/h. Yeah, that's pretty phuqin fast :-)

    28. Re:Hmm.. by terminal.dk · · Score: 1

      First: I am an active skydiver with around 450 jumps, so I have a little experience.

      My highest jump is from around 7000 meters, oxygene in airplane, but no on the way down. Here my terminal velocity was around 230-240 km/h as far as I remember. Nomally it is around 180-185 km/h at 10000 ft. So the 360 km/h is probably his vertical speed.

      You need some vertical speed to accelerate up to where you can get enough lift over your wings.

      If you open a parachute with much over 220-250 km/h, it will probably blow and you will get injured. A normal parachute deployment is normally less than 4G. That is, you are slowed from 50 m/s to say 5 m/s in 1+ second. That is not bad.

      Disclaimer: Some parachutes opens WAY FASTER than others. I have a nice slow opening one.

    29. Re:Hmm.. by switcha · · Score: 1
      Speaking from skydiving experience, if you open your parachute at 360kph, the parachute will be ripped right off your back and probably break a few bones in the process.

      Speaking from the experience of watching funny-cars from my couch, and noticing they don't toss out giant parachutes (if they want the convenience of having a car in one piece), wouldn't high speed diving utilize maybe a two-stage parachute? A tiny one first to bring you to a safe enough speed to deploy the main chute?

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    30. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got more than 900 jumps under my belt, and I must say that this neutral position doesn't work. My testicles flew off when the chute opened.

    31. Re:Hmm.. by Moofie · · Score: 1

      You mean, like, an "airspeed"? I wonder if that number would be useful to aircraft pilots...hmmm.

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    32. Re:Hmm.. by RocketRick · · Score: 1

      This ofcourse holds untill the density goes (quite abruptly) up to that of solid rock, at which point velocity goes down to zero.

      Yep. That lithospheric friction's a bitch.

      - Rick

    33. Re:Hmm.. by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      Normal behavior for a skydiver is to fall out of a plane, accellerate up to terminal velocity, maintain that speed for a while, then open your parachute, which slows you down to a lower terminal velocity, then hit the ground and (hopefully) stop.

      Yeah... The trick I want to see is someone who hits the ground and keeps going. ;)

      -T

    34. Re:Hmm.. by muonzoo · · Score: 1
      What interests me, is how he managed to accelerate up to the 360 kph mark, and slow back down, without the sharp sudden stop that I associate with skydiving.

      Simple aerodynamics / rules of flight.

      You trade potential energy for kinetic energy. Gain some speed at the expense of altitude and you go faster; adjust your angle of attack appropriately and you will both round out your glide and reduce your speed. If fact, if he had sufficient lift generating capability from the wings he could essentially pull up into an aerodynamic stall and have a descent rate of nil -- if the wings can bear sufficient loading, he might also be able to reduce his translational velocity to zero as well.

      Your calculations are only really valid if you assume he travelled at a constant speed -- his quoted peak speed -- which isn't plausible at all.

    35. Re:Hmm.. by andrewski · · Score: 1

      Several smaller chutes that break away, or deploy successively larger chutes over time / velocity.

      I can think of several ways to do it right on top of my head.

  11. Porsches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Mr Baumgartner had prepared for three years for this flight, with rigorous training including strapping himself on to the top of a speeding Porsche.

    Now that's just the kind of project lead up I need. Somewhat more exciting than preparing 3 years for a product launch that involves little more than phoning around organising four different companies and keeping them all on track.

    I need a change of pace.

    1. Re:Porsches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, my friend, need more pieces of flair.

  12. Oh my by Cirrius · · Score: 4, Funny

    "with a large carbon fin strapped to his back"

    This is a ricey-car reply waiting to happen

    1. Re:Oh my by goldspider · · Score: 4, Funny

      I bet he was wearing a yellow suit, and you KNOW there was a "Type-R" sticker somewhere!

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    2. Re:Oh my by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I saw Type-R sticker on that carbon fin. That gave him 20 mph extra speed, of course.

    3. Re:Oh my by valkraider · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Powered by Gravity"

    4. Re:Oh my by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      He probably had a nice 5zigen fireball exhaust coming out of his ass.

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    5. Re:Oh my by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with V-Tec! Gravity enhanced by V-Tec(sticker).

  13. Space by Bigby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't see how hard this could be with wings and 5+ miles of altitude to work with. However, it is pretty cool.

    1. Re:Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur. Perhaps they could make the wings larger... oh.. add some flaps and a rudder with rudimentary controls.

      I think what was done is cool too, but with the extraneous equipment, it isn't just diving, it is gliding as well. And, opening that COW, the next step would be to extend the wings and add controls, and "dive" across a body of water larger than 35km.

    2. Re:Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Looks like a pretty good extreme sport.

      Aerodynamically though, a glide ratio of 1 in 4 is not all that flash. A paraglider will make 1 in 8, so he could have flown that from 15000 ft without freezing his b******s off :-)

      Then again, a decent glider will do a good 1 in 50, meaning he could go 270 odd miles from 30000 ft. If only you could arrange a raised platform to collect cheap wine from on the way past, you could manage a good five round trips!

      Actually, your average A320 will do 1 in 20, so you could fly that a hundred miles from that high up, after all the engines dropped off.

    3. Re:Space by melonman · · Score: 1

      It's not hard, it's just cheaper than putting your car on a Channel Ferry over the summer. I suspect his kids are flying over next week, with carbon miniwings, buckets and spades...

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  14. Next Logical Step: by superdan2k · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Add a heat sheild.
    2. Add pressure suit.
    3. Increase altitude to 62 miles.
    4. Find X-Prize team loony enough to let someone jump out the door.
    ...
    6. Profit.

    (Seriously, as an occasional skydiver/former paratrooper, this sounds like a f--king blast.)

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    1. Re:Next Logical Step: by mirko · · Score: 1

      Do you expect him to get a Darwin award with this ? ? :)

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    2. Re:Next Logical Step: by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 2, Informative

      Already been (more or less) done. Back in the '60s, Some Air Force guy jumped out a balloon at aroung 150000ft (IE: 30 miles). No heat shield needed.

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    3. Re:Next Logical Step: by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Interesting

      http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/coldwar/pe. htm

      "On the third and last jump in Excelsior III on August 16, 1960, Captain Kittinger jumped from a height of 102,800 feet, almost 20 miles above the earth. With only the small stabilizing chute deployed, Kittinger fell for 4 minutes, 36 seconds. He experienced temperatures as low as minus 94 degrees Fahrenheit and a maximum speed of 714 miles per hour, exceeding the speed of sound. The 28-foot main parachute did not open until Kittinger reached the much thicker atmosphere at 17,500 feet. Kittinger safely landed in the New Mexico desert after a 13 minute 45 second descent. Project Excelsior successfully proved the new parachute system would solve the problem of high altitude escape by crewmen."

      http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/eagles/kitt-3.jpg

    4. Re:Next Logical Step: by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      It's not a crazy as you think.

      Both the USAF and a small number of civilian companies are actually studying this very possibility. We may within 20 years have the technology to have astronauts fitted with strap-on components to their spacesuits that will allow them to safely return to Earth--fiery re-entry included. This will make is possible to escape the International Space Station or its successors in more dire situations.

    5. Re:Next Logical Step: by tgd · · Score: 1

      It should also be mentioned that he 714mph figure is considered unreliable these days... aparently calculations and modeling shows he would've needed to jump a mile or two higher to have hit supersonic speeds.

    6. Re:Next Logical Step: by savuporo · · Score: 1

      What do you think this here is ?

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    7. Re:Next Logical Step: by savuporo · · Score: 1

      here: http://www.canadianarrow.com/spacediving.htm

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    8. Re:Next Logical Step: by Jedi+Holocron · · Score: 1

      Hoo RAH!

      Go Troopers!

      Let's look to Starchip Troopers for this...

    9. Re:Next Logical Step: by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      Although I have never tried it, I envision vMAX for a human body falling through the atmosphere is somewhere less than 700mph.

      It is fun to envision what would happen to a human body as it broke the sound barrier exposed to the elements, though. Prolly shatter half the bones in his body if he was in regular atmosphere.

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    10. Re:Next Logical Step: by default+luser · · Score: 1

      For those who only bothered to see the movie...

      In the movie, marines are delivered to target using piloted dropships.

      In the book, marines are delivered from space to the planet in individual drop shells.

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    11. Re:Next Logical Step: by Tranzboy · · Score: 1

      If memory serves me correctly, ST:Voyager covered this: when Belanna Torres was unable to grieve the dead members of her Maquis team, she took to putting herself in more and more perilous holodeck programs, including jumping from a spaceship and going through re-entry, just so she could feel something. I recall the suit looked like a spacesuit with gray metal tiles on it...

    12. Re:Next Logical Step: by Moofie · · Score: 2, Informative

      As long as you don't try to stick your arms through the shock wave, you'd be fine. Just keep 'em by your sides. A blunt helmet would encourage the formation of a shock wave normal to the direction of travel. The big problems with the early transonic planes occured because their wingtips were in the path of the shock waves, causing very seriously bad things to happen to the lateral stability of the aircraft.

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  15. What Officer ? by MosesJones · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mr Baumgartner had prepared for three years for this flight, with rigorous training including strapping himself on to the top of a speeding Porsche.

    Did the driver know ?

    "What Officer, a man strapped to the roof of the car as we went down the AutoBahn ?"
    "Yes sir"
    "I don't belive you, why isn't he there now"
    "He dropped off over the bridge and glided over the river"
    "Have you been drinking officer ?"

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    1. Re:What Officer ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No way, I'm not sucking on your bag. Are you a priest? pedo-alert!

  16. Ron Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is sure a better idea than our friend Ron Obvious's attempt to JUMP the english channel.

  17. Where was this guy in 1944? by HBI · · Score: 4, Funny

    We could have saved a lot of money and time with this methodology.

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    1. Re:Where was this guy in 1944? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't have this kind of technology back then. Parachutes in the armed forces were kinda new I think back then.

    2. Re:Where was this guy in 1944? by self+assembled+struc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, if you'd read up on your WWII history, you'd know that gliders were acutally an integral part of the D-Day invasion in 1944. They were sent in before the the land-invasion and knocked out communication lines to prevent the beach-head forces from calling for more re-enforcements.

      It acutally turned into a rather big debacle as many of the gilders did not perform well, killing their soliders, and many that did operate correctly did not make the designated target, landing miles and miles away from where the soldiers were supposed to be.

    3. Re:Where was this guy in 1944? by confused+one · · Score: 1

      And many of the gliders were overloaded (one had a jeep in it and fell like a rock). And they tried to land them in fields without knowing how flat the fields actually were. And many missed the fields (trees and gliders don't mix well). And...

    4. Re:Where was this guy in 1944? by HBI · · Score: 1

      Don't assume I didn't already know that - this was a joke.

      The glider forces used were very low-tech. Imagine skydiving troops buzzing in just beyond the main defensive belt at the coast? Stunning.

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    5. Re:Where was this guy in 1944? by rosbif · · Score: 1

      ....It acutally turned into a rather big debacle as many of the gilders did not perform well.....

      Actually, old boy, the first crucial action of D-Day, the taking of Pegasus Bridge over the River Orne, was accomplished by a British glider force. Yes, some of the soldiers did get killed/injured on landing, but that's what tends to happen in war (despite what the Pentagon might tell you)

  18. That's odd by marcopo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    BBC reporter said that: "At first he was just a distant speck hurtling through the morning sky, only occasionally visible between the clouds. With his carbon fibre wings silhouetted against the rising Sun it was a bizarre sight." ...

    Which is odd given that the guy flew from Dover to France, i.e.\ was comming from west by north-west.

    1. Re:That's odd by FroMan · · Score: 1

      I knew this woman who once wrote for a travel magazine. The magazine would send her a couple ads for restaurants and attractions of a really exotic place (probably paid for by the places) and she would write up a story of her night on the town. Quite often if you looked up on a map she wouldn't get the directions quite right from attraction to attraction that "she visited."

      Moral of the story, don't put a whole lot of weight in what you read always. Escpecially in the media as they have something to sell you, specifically the news print.

      But then again, its kind of paradoxical of me to tell you not to believe everything you read.

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    2. Re:That's odd by rev063 · · Score: 1
      Uhh, the article says nothing about the location of the observer. The could have been observing from behind, especially since it's a BBC article and the reporter could've been standing in Dover. :)

      If you check a map, his track is ESE, so a spotter plane following behind would indeed see him silhouetted in the morning sun.

  19. Fin? by worst_name_ever · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the photos accompanying the article, it looks as if the thing strapped to his back was less of a "fin" and more of a small set of wings. If so, the message here is basically "Man puts on tiny hang glider and, after being air-dropped from high altitude, glides for a few miles."

    I forsee a day when humans will attach themselves to ever-larger winged contraptions and travel further and further with each passing year. Perhaps, some day in the far future, these "aero-planes" might be equipped with powerful "jet-engines" which would enable the intrepid pioneers of the sky to travel across the very oceans themselves. Perhaps pretzels could also be served on these voyages.

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    1. Re:Fin? by McWilde · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pending the arrival of your ridiculous "aero-planes", me and a few friends of mine are working on building a trebuchet to sling people across the Channel. People will probably need to strap on one of these fins, or the initial velocity has to be above the speed of sound.

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    2. Re:Fin? by Merk · · Score: 1

      Seriously. The article says: "He wore only an aerodynamic jumpsuit with a 6-foot (1.8-metre) carbon fin strapped to his back, an oxygen tank from which to breathe, and a parachute to land." Just how does "Only" make sense in that context? Take a look at the picture. He's got a small house on his back!

      I, for one, plan to upstage this guy by jumping across the pacific ocean with only a little bit of padding(*) strapped to my ass.

    3. Re:Fin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh. You think so? Prezels?

      dude - that was funny.

    4. Re:Fin? by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      >a few friends of mine are working on building a trebuchet to sling people across the Channel.

      I hope you weren't practicing on Bulgarian students.

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  20. No by maroberts · · Score: 1

    I think he's jumped the shark though

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  21. Training by pizen · · Score: 2, Funny

    From the BBC article:
    "Mr Baumgartner had prepared for three years for this flight, with rigorous training including strapping himself on to the top of a speeding Porsche."

    Are we sure this isn't a Darwin Award?

    1. Re:Training by Liselle · · Score: 1

      The guy has to die (or otherwise have genes removed from the pool) for it to be a real Darwin. Maybe counts for an Honorable Mention.

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    2. Re:Training by akiaki007 · · Score: 1

      From the BBC article:
      "Mr Baumgartner had prepared for three years for this flight, with rigorous training including strapping himself on to the top of a speeding Porsche."

      Are we sure this isn't a Darwin Award?

      That usually involves death. So if he died doing this, then yes, it would qualify. Though I think he's generally been prepared and done stupid things as opposed to most of the winners who are just stupid and didn't need to prepare to do something stupid :-P

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    3. Re:Training by pizen · · Score: 1

      Yeah, previewing is good. I mean he's a potential candidate for the Darwins. Oh well.

    4. Re:Training by pizen · · Score: 1

      Yeah, so I mean he's a potential candidate. Forgive me, it's early.

    5. Re:Training by timeOday · · Score: 1

      You know, if there is going to be something called a "Darwin Award," in the true spirit of Darwinism it should be given to whomever makes the most babies. Just so everybody has a fair chance they could exclude cockroaches and NBA players.

  22. The first person... by MaestroSartori · · Score: 1

    ...to mention kangaroos, barbies, shrimps, or anything to do with Australia gets to follow him, but without a chute... :)

    1. Re:The first person... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A-U-S-T-R-I-A
      not
      A-U-S-T-R-A-L-I-A
      Honest mistake. But before you go off complaining about stuff you should really try reading what you're talking about

    2. Re:The first person... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there r no kangaroos in austria

    3. Re:The first person... by valkraider · · Score: 1

      So you would be following him without a chute then?

  23. Moneypenny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, that's something that you would expect to see in a Bond movie.

    You know, the plane is blowing up, Bond puts two in the bad guy and grabs a boogie board then straps it to his back. The music kicks in ("DAA DAA DOOOM DAA-DAA, DAA-DAA-DAA"), Bond grabs the gal, and whoosh, out the door.

    From the CNN article: "He said cloud cover meant he could not see where he was going and had to follow his two planes across the Channel.". I bet nobody believed the pilot of the 747 at first. "No really, was a guy, with a rocket pack or something, honest!".
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  24. Skydiving? Riiiight..... by sigmaIII · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since when were you allowed to strap a small aircraft to your back and call it skydiving?

  25. this may inspire terrorists by mirko · · Score: 0, Troll

    imagine a flying Palestinian suicide bomber...

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    1. Re:this may inspire terrorists by MonTemplar · · Score: 1

      imagine a flying Palestinian suicide bomber...

      Not in Israel, though. At least, not for long, if the Israeli military have any say in the matter... *whoosh!* *BANG!*

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    2. Re:this may inspire terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unfortunately, thats a valid point. maybe too "israeli-palestinian" centric, though. Sure we can detect an airplane off course or such, but a peice of flesh travelling at 300km/hr with many explosives on him?

      however, timing impact and detonation might be difficult, unless its some sort of acceleration sensitive/contact trigger. It's basically a smaller scale version of a kamakazi, depending on the load the waste-of-human is carrying.

    3. Re:this may inspire terrorists by __aamkky7574 · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      Yeah, but how would the Israeli army get a bulldozer up that high to accidentally run him over?

      P.

    4. Re:this may inspire terrorists by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      I'm sure those M-163 and 167s on the Israeli side of the borders will make short work of a gliding tango.

      http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/g ro und/m163.htm

    5. Re:this may inspire terrorists by MonTemplar · · Score: 1

      Duh, they use a helicopter gunship. Oh, wait... what if they've only got air-to-surface missiles? :-)

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    6. Re:this may inspire terrorists by __aamkky7574 · · Score: 1
      Hmm, I get modded down as "flamebait", but the guy I'm replying to gets modded up? How eveeeeeeen-handed.

      P.

    7. Re:this may inspire terrorists by confused+one · · Score: 1
      Yeah, he flies into the side of the building and goes *SPLAT* sort of like in a cartoon...

  26. MOD PARENT FUNNY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    funniest thing I've read on slashdot this week. made me spit coke on my monitor

  27. Speed reached ... ? by RayOfLight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's funny how both Sky News and BBC say the speed reached is 220 mph and how CNN says it's 200 km/h. Hmm... someone's obviously got it wrong. ;-)

    But then again, who (here) is to notice this discrepancy. ;-) It'd require READING ALL THREE ARTICLES.

    1. Re:Speed reached ... ? by ThePlague · · Score: 0

      It's science news, so of course CNN's copy was edited by NASA.

    2. Re:Speed reached ... ? by pclminion · · Score: 1

      What's funnier to me is that CNN is the one who reported the speed in metric.

    3. Re:Speed reached ... ? by Gyl · · Score: 2, Interesting
      let's do some rough calculations. 35 km, and 14 min travel time. that's 0.233... hours, giving an average horizantal velocity of 150 km/h. Suppose his speed was, on average 200 km/h (CNN) this gives a vertical velocity of 132.3 km/h. Someone else said terminal velocity for a person is about 200 km/h, with a wing on your back, could it be 132 km/h?

      Remember this is average. I would guess his speed varied a lot during his flight as pressure changed. So my random guess based on this, and that fact I've never trusted CNN is that 220 mph is correct for a max speed.

    4. Re:Speed reached ... ? by demigod · · Score: 1

      I always wonder what happen to those NASA engineers from the Mars Climate Orbiter mission. I guess they work for CNN now :-)

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    5. Re:Speed reached ... ? by grungeman · · Score: 2, Funny

      That clearly shows that CNN got it wrong. How can you extepct them to calculate from Miles to Kilometers, if they do not even know where Switzerland is.

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  28. Re:in other news by pdbogen · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Damn Atkins diet.

  29. What if they had these in the twin towers? by MBslug · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How much velocity is necessary to start horizontal flight? I mean, what would have kept someone from strapping their glass desktop cover to their back and jumping outta the window?

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    1. Re:What if they had these in the twin towers? by richie2000 · · Score: 1, Funny
      what would have kept someone from strapping their glass desktop cover to their back and jumping outta the window?

      Oh, the realization that the total lack of aerodynamic control inherent in all regular desktop glass cover designs would mean that not only would someone end up on the sidwalk as a large wet spot, but a large wet spot with a lot of broken glass in it would be my guess.

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    2. Re:What if they had these in the twin towers? by naner42 · · Score: 1

      Intelligence for one...

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    3. Re:What if they had these in the twin towers? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Informative

      Turbulence in from the wind moving around the buildings would be a problem, that would probably make it as bad of an option as jumping.

      Plus a glass desktop cover is going to be heavy and it don't have an airfoil to it so it's going to drop like a piece of glass and get a flutter to it.

      http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/cameo/dr_al oh a/terrain/terrain.html

      "Even if air flow into New York City is relatively steady and the winds predictable, ALOHA's first assumption is not likely to be met within the city itself. Buildings may block and divert the wind. Air flowing past large obstructions such as buildings forms into turbulent eddies, just as eddies form immediately downstream of a boulder or bridge piling in a river. Air flowing across an urban landscape composed of many buildings breaks up into irregular patterns of eddies of various sizes, speeds, and strengths. Winds blowing through city streets can speed up, slow down, and markedly change direction. In fact, wind blowing past an obstruction such as a building sometimes can completely reverse direction. "

      "New York City contains many "street canyons" long, straight through streets bordered by tall buildings. A street canyon can funnel the wind at a speed and in a direction different from what a user may have entered into ALOHA. Similarly, it can act to channel a cloud. The cloud, prevented by the walls of buildings from dispersing in the crosswind direction, may travel much farther downwind than ALOHA would predict before diluting below the level of concern."

      That link is in relation to computer modeling of NBC weapons release in an urban setting, but it talks about the complexity of winds in a city.

      Velocity doesn't make something fly or glide, it's the lift provided from the wing. The basic idea is that a flow over a curved surface has lower pressure than the flow over a flat surface, so you curve the top of a wing and the lower pressure there allows the wing to create lift. The faster the flow is the more lift you get, which is why aircraft need engines to provide foreward movement.

      http://www.aa.washington.edu/faculty/eberhardt/l if t.htm

    4. Re:What if they had these in the twin towers? by skybozo · · Score: 1

      Given sufficient velocity, even a brick will fly. The F4 Phantom proved that.

    5. Re:What if they had these in the twin towers? by Brad+Mace · · Score: 1

      When they start requiring parachutes in skyscapers, you'll know the terrorists have won.

  30. Re:Only if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes I agree, I am smart. And I say that you are right, jumping out of an airplane is really jumping with style.

  31. Picture of the rig. by fuqqer · · Score: 0

    Here is a picture of his Red Bull Sponsored Carbon wing in action.

  32. centurions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Does the picture remind anyone else of the old cartoon?

  33. What's Next? by saskwach · · Score: 0

    Swim across the channel, tunnel under the channel, ride that hovercraft across the channel, skydive across the channel...I'm going to get a truck full of liquid nitrogen and drive across the channel.

  34. Re:Oh, sure, like the French need THAT! by MonTemplar · · Score: 1

    I'm sure the French are thinking, "Oh, great! Yet another way for our country to be invaded!"

    It's probably just as well he didn't get too far inland, or he might have been shot down by militant French farmers, who mistook him for 'ze cursed Rosbif!' (ie. English)... *grin*

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  35. Re:in other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't know Sally Struthers read /.!

    Just a note dear, if you were to cut back on your food intake, a lot of those children could eat.

  36. Maverick by McWilde · · Score: 1

    I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

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    1. Re:Maverick by valkraider · · Score: 1

      Keeping up foreign relations. ;)

  37. What English Channel? by Gadzinka · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Aahh... You mean La Manche Channel... You should have said so.

    Robert

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  38. Reminded me of... by billimad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ace McCloud from The Centurians. Click the first image link.

    1. Re:Reminded me of... by MonTemplar · · Score: 1

      So I didn't hallucinate watching that cartoon when I was a kid, after all! :-)

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    2. Re:Reminded me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, there was the dude with the motorbike wheels attached to himself - he could go "Man walks from John O Groats to Lands End wearing rotating discs..."

  39. Re:Oh, sure, like the French need THAT! by Mr.Phil · · Score: 0, Troll

    Just as well, the border guards tried to surrender to him when he landed.

    And I thought that the militant French farmers only attacked McDonald's? *chuckle*

  40. Defcon jump.....pfft... by caffeinex36 · · Score: 1

    Read it and weep you "defcon jump" weenies!

  41. So? by RobinH · · Score: 1

    Ok, it's very cool, looks really fun, and it's an impressive feat, but can you really call it skydiving if you strap wings on yourself? What's with calling it a "fin"? I'm sorry, but those are wings. I'm pretty sure that a bird that high up with an oxygen tank could "skydive" (AKA glide") 35 km too.

    Now, if someone wants to try this with only a parachute strapped to their back, then I'll agree with you that it's skydiving. All this guy did was fly across the English Channel in a really small glider that has a parachute instead of landing gear.

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    1. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how there's always someone at /. ready to dismiss the accomplishments of others. When was the last time you jumped out of a plane?

    2. Re:So? by RobinH · · Score: 1

      Funny how there's always someone at /. ready to dismiss the accomplishments of others. When was the last time you jumped out of a plane?

      1998. I have it on tape.

      Besides, I wasn't dismissing his accomplishment - I said it was cool. I just think the media is wrong in claiming that it's skydiving. I think it's "gliding in a really small glider".

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  42. Unaided? WTF? by GreenKiwi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "With the aid of a specially engineered carbon composite wing. Baumgartner will leap out of a transport plane from flight leve 270 (9000 meter - the height of Mount Everest) and then soar towards another world record at over 360km/h. If he succeeds, he will be the first person to have crossed the channel unaided, in free fall."

    He's not really in free fall, it's in a glide with a wing that provides some lift and direction. Hardly seems "unaided" and in fact, his own statement above states that he's "aided" by the wing.

    Still, it looks very very cool.

  43. WingSuit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WingSuits have become pretty popular in skydiving the last years, which differs from this one in that is has no rigid parts (like carbon). Don't know if you can fly across the channel with it, but you can do some pretty amazing stuff. Check out: this
    for a crazy example.

  44. Department of... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    101st-airborne-becoming-jealous

    The 101st isn't airborne in the parachute sense anymore.

    It's the 101st Airborne (Air Assault) which means they fly around in helicopters now.

    The 101st at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, provides forcible entry capability through heliborne 'air assault' operations. Capable of inserting a 4,000 soldier combined arms task force, 150-kilometers into enemy terrain in one lift, and possessing 281 helicopters, including three battalions of Apache attack helicopters.

    The only parachutes really associated with the 101st would be the Parachute Demonstration Team.

    For parachuting in the US military, that's the role of the 82nd Airborne Division and the 173rd Airborne Brigade.

  45. Leo Valentin FWIW by cyber_rigger · · Score: 2, Informative

    The pioneer of this idea was Leo Valentin. He made several rigid wing skydives in the 1950s.

  46. Terminal velocity by Bigboote66 · · Score: 1

    Given that terminal velocity for a skydiver is around 200km/h, I'm guessing the CNN article got it right. I don't see how strapping a rather large wing to your back could manage to nearly double that speed.

    -BbT

    1. Re:Terminal velocity by radja · · Score: 3, Insightful

      from the same page: However, by diving or "standing up" in free fall, any experienced skydiver can learn to reach speeds of over 160-180MPH. Speeds of over 200MPH require significant practice to achieve. The record free fall speed, done without any special equipment, is 321MPH. Obviously, it is desirable to slow back down to 110MPH before parachute opening."

      also note that air pressure is lower, which causes less friction. his position is very close to a dive or 'stand-up' free-fall. I'm guessing CNN got it wrong, especially since I've seen some more sources reporting this, and all reported speeds way in excess of 200 km/h

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  47. Already in the latest Bond movie by Scyber · · Score: 1

    Or at least something very similar. Bond and the american agent ride on top of similar wings to get into North Korea.

  48. Next Logical Step - Talk to Rutan by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    When I read about this and saw the picture, I immediately thought of Scaled Composites' entry Space Ship One and jumping from it at apogee. Space Ship One returns to earth in a high drag configuration to minimize aerodynamic heating (which would be important for a parachutist).

    As for the technology being available, this was first done in 1962 by USAF Capt. Joe Kittinger.

    The only element required now is to find somebody stupid enough to try it.

    myke

    1. Re:Next Logical Step - Talk to Rutan by ConfusedVorlon · · Score: 1

      I'll do it!

      I think the Rutan site actually talks about extreme skydiving as a possible revenue stream. If not him - then one of the x-competitors.

  49. I've heard of people falling for France... by calags · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...but this takes the cake.

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  50. That wasn't the best scene in Tomb Raider by siskbc · · Score: 4, Funny
    Interestingly enough, something similar to this was in the latest Lara Croft flik. I haven't seen it, but this part was interesting. During one part of the movie Angelina Jolie and someone else were trying to escape and they went to the top of some building in Hong Kong. They had a special jumpsuit on with webbing between the arms & body and between the legs. Being chased, they simply lept off the edge and flew themselves to a boat waiting in Hong Kong's harbor - about 3 miles away.

    That was OK. I liked the scene where she was running better. "That's right....bounce for Daddy...ooooh"

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  51. If at first you don't succeed... by sllim · · Score: 1

    So much for skydiving.

    badddaaabooommm
    Thank you, there will be a repeat performance at 3:00 and again at 5:00.

    Seriously though, this dude is my hero. I never heard of him before this story, but strapping a wing on your back and jumping out of a plane at 30,000 feet. Damn, what a cool way to die.

    That is how I wanna go out.

    I am gonna be the coolest dude in heaven.

    Or hell. Depending on your outlook on such things.

  52. Re:in other news by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    People wouldn't starve if there was a viable infrastructure for the transport of food.

    But that doesn't exsist so there is overpopulation coupled with a lack of advanced farming techniques and so people die.

    It's a shame but it happens, however it's no more newsworthy for /. than the rate of deaths from testicular cancer are on the decline.

  53. Well, it beats swimming.. by deunan_k · · Score: 1

    Hmmm, take a look at this links here and here

    I know I'm supposed to be patriotic (being a Malaysian myself ;-) but sometimes these guys stretch things a bit far... But what do you expect from Bolehland (Boleh in malay means can or can do so literally, it's the land of anything possible ;-)

    They have a website to support the event, unfortunately it is in malay, but maybe there's some info in english somewhere.. Look here

    But all started from the English Channel Challenge 2003, check it out here!

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  54. I don't think so... by ColdBoot · · Score: 1

    Main Entry: skydiving
    Pronunciation: -"dI-vi[ng]
    Function: noun
    Date: 1957
    : the sport of jumping from an airplane at a moderate altitude (as 6000 feet) and executing various body maneuvers before pulling the rip cord of a parachute

    It seems to me that the addition of a wing has changed the nature of the achievement.

  55. Wow...now I KNOW what I want for Christmas by billmaly · · Score: 1

    Sadly, the wife said no. I guess it's another tie for me. /me cries.

  56. Redundancy much? by naner42 · · Score: 1

    Ok, we all understand that he had wings on, get over it.

    I'd like to see somone (Angelina Jolie) do something like this (Tomb Raider 2) off of a tall building or something. No seriously! I think it could work... Forget the wings, try flaps of fabric between your extremities. Yeah...

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  57. Suitably sponsored by... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Red Bull.

    Red Bull gives you wings...

  58. Re:Oh, sure, like the French need THAT! by MonTemplar · · Score: 1

    And I thought that the militant French farmers only attacked McDonald's? *chuckle*

    Threaten to take away their EU subsidies, and they'll attack just about anything.

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  59. This seems more like 'skydiving' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a couple of guys that added wings to their sky diving suits so they can glide. The wings are made of fabric and inflate like a parasail. A pair of wings fit between each arm and torso and a third wing between their legs.

    Apparently, they were not the first to sky dive with wings strapped on. Of interest is the survival rate of people who have tried this in the past: something like 4% if I remember correctly.

    Check out The Flight of the Bird Men .

  60. " they were going UP at the time." by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 1

    Is it a Bird ? Is it a Plane ?

    No, Actually it's Fartman playing with a lighter...

    Oh Gosh !

    8p

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  61. Neat related article. by attaboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While the photo on the BBC article shows a "backpack" with hard wings sticking out of it, the description (especially that of his legs getting tangled in the rear wings) sounds more like a "Birdman" type suit.

    Popular Science did a great article on gliding/sky diving with wings featuring the Birdman suits. Read it here.

    This article has some good info that helps answer comments made below about diving with wings not really being free-fall, but in fact being a form of gliding.

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    1. Re:Neat related article. by radja · · Score: 1

      no, it's most definately not a birdman suit. see this pic

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  62. He's working on it.. by Dan-DAFC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    BASE jumped off the statue of Christ in Rio, which is 30m.

    "It's the lowest base jump in the world," said jump organiser Stefan Aufschnaiter. "Normally you need 50 or 60 metres. It's extremely dangerous," he said.

    As you can imagine. BASE jumping is a sport with a pretty high fatality rate.

    I live in Dover (where he jumped from) and the local radio was reporting yesterday about how the coastguard were pretty pissed off with him, he hadn't checked with them first and there was a decent chance that he was going to come down in the World's busiest shipping lane and they would have to go rescue him.

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  63. But..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When does a fin become a glider?

  64. Skip by DeadBugs · · Score: 1

    I wonder if he came in at the right angle and at the right speed.... Could he also become the first person to skip across the English Channel. Now that would be something to see.

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  65. Re:Leo Valentin FWIW by cyber_rigger · · Score: 3, Informative
  66. Possible real military application?? by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I really think what that Austrian skydiver demonstrated may have some real military applications.

    Imagine US Special Forces soldiers wearing these suits (which have been coated with radar-absorbing materials to reduce radar cross-section) and being launched from 32,000 feet on a C-17 cargo plane at night. They could glide 30 miles or more, which would allow these forces to be inserted far into enemy territory.

    (Come to think of it, the US Special Forces may already HAVE this capability.)

    1. Re:Possible real military application?? by kevin922 · · Score: 1

      Not really.. maybe a paraglider, but the amount of payload that military needs to carry won't work with that or the wingsuits i fly (which appear in tomb raider)

    2. Re:Possible real military application?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      SAS (Special Air Service) already does that. They jump from a transport plane close to the border of the country they are inserting to, and glide silently over the border... Not 30 miles though, but enough to go unnoticed.

    3. Re:Possible real military application?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Special Forces have been doing it for over 20 years, but a bit different. The US military calls it HAHO High Altitude High Opening. Instead of free falling to a lower altitude then opening the parachute, the parachute is opened at a high altitude, then the parachutist glides under canopy for miles, 15 - 20 miles +. Because of the lower speed it is easier to keep people grouped together over the distance than what was done in the article.

    4. Re:Possible real military application?? by Griim · · Score: 1

      It's a nice idea, but the guy trained for 3 years just to do this, and there were a couple of moments where he almost screwed up...so it might be possible for special forces, but it might be a huuuge risk when there's other more conventional means.

      Also, now I'm wondering what kind of drift they'd all have from each other from a +30-mile journey (I now also wonder how far the guy actually travelled, being 22 miles up and going 30 across).

    5. Re:Possible real military application?? by matresstester · · Score: 1

      "Sir, I'm showing multiple boogeys on radar!"
      "Fire the AA guns and SAM's!"

      Now imagine a bunch of poor special ops guys being shot down by sharpnel, with no protection arm at all.

      I guess if you do it with enough people, one or two will get to land.

    6. Re:Possible real military application?? by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fire control radar is notoriously bad at locking onto small, meaty targets traveling relatively slowly. Small arms fire is a much bigger threat, which is a really good reason to insert at night.

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    7. Re:Possible real military application?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      30 miles in a HALO isn't unheard of, just depends on the winds and the skill of the person using the chute. There is no need for radar absorbing materials. Radar gets a skinpaint on metallic objects really well. Organic material is much harder to spot with a radar. Parachutes are 99% non-metallic. Biggest concern would be ammo, it would give off the largest signature.

      A more interesting skill in HALO is the ability to flair the chute right before you land. Basically, the diver creates a cushion of air which they can ride on for hundreds of meters. It tweaked me out the first time I saw it. They trap air between the chute and the ground, and move extremely far just a couple feet off the ground.

    8. Re:Possible real military application?? by asb · · Score: 1

      I don't see how the glider could carry weapons, food, water, other equipment, the oxygen tank and the parachute and still be able to glide efficiently enough. Plus I guess that thing is pretty unsafe. A killed soldier costs a shitload of money in lost training and morale. That's why the army goes out of their way to rescue troops from behind the enemy lines.

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  67. I'll tell you what's remarkable about this... by Bertie · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Some Austrian guy threw himself headlong into France, caught them all by surprise with the audacity and speed of it... ...And there wasn't a white flag of surrender in sight.

    1. Re:I'll tell you what's remarkable about this... by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Even more surprising was that America hadn't engaged in 'shock and awe' before the invasion; although latest good news from the Pentagon is that France has now been listed as an axis of evil country, thankfully.

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  68. initial forward velocity... by RowdyReptile · · Score: 1

    And as for diagonal speed, I don't see why the plane wouldn't already be heading towards France when he jumped out of it. That way he's already got 150mph or so of forwards velocity. (That's about how it looks from the illustration in the BBC article.)

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  69. Wrong Department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just had to put in my $0.02 - the 101st has been jealous of ANYONE with a parachute for the last 50 or so years - ever since theirs were taken away and traded for helicopters... (OTOH, the 82nd boys might be jealous)

  70. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we can point at him and laugh!

  71. How long did it take? by chirone · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Einstein was kinda right about relativity.

    from CNN:
    ...jumping from an aircraft above the English port of Dover and landing near Calais six minutes and 22 seconds later with crowds...

    from BBC:
    ...leapt from a plane above Dover at 0509 BST, landing 22 miles (35 kilometres) away in Cap Blanc-Nez near Calais just 14 minutes later...

    1. Re:How long did it take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will give you a clue...

      CNN is American

    2. Re:How long did it take? by SithLordOfLanc · · Score: 1

      Actually, the damn Brits use metric.

  72. Right Choice by StillNeedMoreCoffee · · Score: 0, Troll

    Can't decide if he went the right way? Haggis to snails?

  73. Buzz Lightyear by Gonoff · · Score: 1

    I looked at the pictures an the BBC. It looks like the one in ToyStory!

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  74. Wha? by theTerribleRobbo · · Score: 0

    Say _what_?

  75. here's the reason...Re:Hmm.. by scrawny · · Score: 1

    if you go 360 kmh, mostly downward in the beginning, your horizontal velocity will be considerably less.
    did you think he was 6 feet from the water the whole time when he did this?!

    imagine a right triangle whose height is 22 miles, base is the English Channel and create its hypotenuse...well, you went to school, you do it.

    1. Re:here's the reason...Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh... 22 miles up is over 100,000 feet. He jumped at about 30,000 feet.

  76. Someone made a mistake by luugi · · Score: 4, Informative
    CNN says

    "God of the Skies" covered a distance of 35 kilometers (20 miles) during his flight, reaching speeds of up to 200 kilometers an hour.


    BBC says:

    Mr Baumgartner said the plane was at 30,000 ft (9,000 m) when he jumped - and he initially reached speeds of 360 km (220 miles) per hour. For most of the freefall, he was travelling at about 220 km (135 miles) per hour, he said.
    .

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  77. MP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe after all these comments not a single person has quoted Monty Python and the jump accross the english channel. For shame. Unfournattly I can't find it, but here is the DVD.

    1. Re:MP by Lord+of+Ironhand · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was rather surprised too... sorry if this is redundant already, but I found it on http://www.saifai.co.uk/pse10.shtml

      Here goes:
      Voice Over: There is an epic quality about the sea which has throughout history stirred the hearts and minds of Englishmen of all nations. Sir Francis Drake, Captain Webb, Nelson of Trafalgar and Scott of the Antartic - all rose to the challenge of the mighty ocean. And today another Englishman may add his name to the golden roll of history: Mr Ron Obvious of Neaps End. For today, Ron Obvious hopes to be the first man to jump the Channel.
      Ron runs up to group of cheering supporters. An interviewer addresses him.
      Interviewer: Ron, now let's just get this quite clear - you're intending to jump across the English Channel?
      Ron: Oh yes, that is correct, yes.
      Interviewer: And, er, just how far is that?
      Ron: Oh, well it's twenty-six miles from here to Calais.
      Interviewer: Er, that's to the beach at Calais?
      Ron: Well, no, no, provided I get a good lift off and maybe a gust of breeze over the French coast, I shall be jumping into the centre of Calais itself.
      Brief shot of group of Frenchmen with banner. 'Fin de Cross-Channel jump'.
      Interviewer: Ron are you using any special techniques to jump this great distance?
      Ron: Oh no, no. I shall be using an ordinary two-footed jump, er, straight up in the air and across the Channel.
      Interviewer: I see. Er, Ron, what is the furthest distance that you've jumped, er, so far?
      Ron: Er, oh, eleven foot six inches at Motspur Park on July 22nd. Er, but I have done nearly twelve feet unofficially.
      Ron breaks off to make training-type movements.
      Interviewer: I see. Er, Ron, Ron, Ron, aren't you worried Ron, aren't you worried jumping twenty-six miles across the sea?
      Ron Oh, well no, no, no, no. It is in fact easier to jump over sea than over dry land.
      Interviewer: Well how is that?
      Ron Er, well my manager explained it to me. You see if you're five miles out over the English Channel, with nothing but sea underneath you, er, there is a very great impetus to say in the air.
      Interviewer: I see. Well, er, thank you very much Ron and the very best of luck.
      Ron Thank you. Thank you.
      Interviewer: (to camera) The man behind Ron's cross-Channel jump is his manager Mr Luigi Vercotti. (turns to speak to Vercotti, who has a Mafia suit and dark glasses) Mr Vercotti, er Mr Vercotti ... Mr Vercotti...
      Mr Vercotti: What? (mumbles protestations of innocence) I don't know what you're talking about.
      Interviewer: Er, no, we're from the BBC, Mr Vercotti.
      Mr Vercotti: Who?
      Interviewer: The BBC.
      Mr Vercotti: Oh, oh. I see. I thought, I thought you were the er . .. I like the police a lot, I've got a lot of time for them.
      Interviewer: Mr, er, Mr Vercotti, what is your chief task as Ron's manager?
      Mr Vercotti: Well my main task is, er, to fix a sponsor for the big jump.
      Interviewer: And who is the sponsor?
      Mr Vercotti: The Chippenham Brick Company. Ah, they, er, pay all the bills, er, in return for which Ron will be carrying half a hundredweight of their bricks.
      We see a passport officer checking Ron's passport.
      Interviewer: I see. Well, er, it looks as if Ron is ready now. He's got the bricks. He's had his passport checked and he's all set to go. And he's off on the first ever cross-Channel jump. (Ron runs down the beach and jumps; he lands about four feet into the water) Will Ron be trying the cross-Channel jump again soon?
      Mr Vercotti: No. No. I'm taking him off the jumps. Er, because I've got something lined up for Ron next week that I think is very much more up his street.
      Interviewer: Er, what's that?
      Mr Vercotti: Er, Ron is going to eat Chichester Cathedral.
      Cut to Chichester Cathedral. Ron walks up to it, brushing his teeth.
      Interviewer: Well, there he goes, Ron Obvious of Neaps End, in an attempt which could make him the first man ever to eat an entire Anglican Cathedral.
      Ron takes a hefty bite at a buttress, screams an

  78. 360 km/h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah but what is it in a REAL rate? You know, MPH.

  79. Obligatory obscure Monty Python reference... by UsonianAutomatic · · Score: 1

    For his next feat he's going to eat Chichester Cathedral.

    1. Re:Obligatory obscure Monty Python reference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, I was eagerly awaiting the script for this, I was going to post it but was unable to find it.

    2. Re:Obligatory obscure Monty Python reference... by sidmystic · · Score: 1

      Ron Obvious of Neaps End and the first ever cross-channel jump -- YES!!!! This is so bloody hillarious!!

  80. Re:Hmm.. You use your body to slow down by cyber_rigger · · Score: 1



    Parachutes will explode if deployed over a certain speed. Most are recommended to open under 150 knots.

    A skydivers must first use their body position to slow to a safe deployment speed. It usually only takes a few seconds.

  81. He was busy defending Berlin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, being Austrian and all.

  82. Picture not even close to scale by Linuxathome · · Score: 1

    The diagram at the bottom of the BBC report doesn't do any justice to his feat. He jumped at an altitude of 9,000 m (or 9 km), and traveled a distance of 35 km -- nearly 4 times the distance of his initial height! It's like if I was 10 feet above the ground, I had to do a long distance jump of almost 40 feet. As a point of comparison, Carl Lewis' best for the long jump in track and field was a little longer than 29 feet (and that was with a fast running start). The picture at the bottom of the BBC article should have been closer to scale -- just looking at it, one might think that he just had to glide two times the distance of his initial height.

  83. R-Type by AragornSonOfArathorn · · Score: 2, Funny

    22 miles? Psh. Had he the foresight to put R-Type stickers on his wing/fin/thing, he would have made it to London, easy.

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    1. Re:R-Type by AragornSonOfArathorn · · Score: 1

      er, Type-R, I mean. It's only Thursday, I haven't woken up yet. :)

      R-Type is a fun game, though...

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  84. Why the Channel? by mblase · · Score: 1

    What's the big deal about this being the English Channel? Swimming across it, yes. It's over twenty miles and the water's friggin' cold and you get to lay down on dry land after it's over.

    But skydiving across it? "Across" implies that you started on land, not at a point five miles above that land. He could just as easily skydived that much horizontal distance anywhere else in the world and it would have (probably) been just as much of an accomplishment

    Just seems like a strange sort of headline to me, that's all. It's like this guy was just trying to think of a way to get across the English Channel that no one else had done yet, and this was all he could come up with.

  85. What part of sky-diving includes using a glider? by nagora · · Score: 1
    I really don't see why we're meant to be impressed. Are we all supposed to ignore the little aeroplane strapped to his back?!

    TWW

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  86. In My Minds Eye by flyneye · · Score: 1

    Wile E. Coyote in his batsuit burning into the english shore at 360 Kph.

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  87. Red Bull gives you wings! by nxs212 · · Score: 1

    I was wondering how he was able to afford it - Red Bull $ponsored him. also, Skynews had the correct time for his flight 6 minutes instead of 14 - makes sense - and makes his average speed about 150mph.
    Finally, note that he did strap himself to a honda civic for testing. He would have looked rediculous, like those (front wheel drive) hondas with big spoiler/wing on the back and a pepsi can for a muffler.

  88. Lowest base jump record by TotalTossa · · Score: 1

    "It's the lowest base jump in the world," said jump organiser Stefan Aufschnaiter. "Normally you need 50 or 60 metres. It's extremely dangerous," he said.

    I am now about to attempt to break the "lowest base jump" world record - and whats more I will do it without using a paracute.

    3...2...1...

    Successfully completed with no injuries.
    I claim the new record with my fearless jump from a piece of paper to the ground - 0.1mm!

    beat that!

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  89. So what? by lelitsch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apart from the weird contraption that he strapped on his back, what is the big news here? My former army unit and special forces all across NATO have done HAHO (High Altitude High Opening) jumps that go more than 50km since the 80s. Usually with predecessors of the G9. The main problem is that it's extremly cold at 8-10,000 meters and that you have to jump with supplemental oxygen. Don't try this at home, people have gotten frostbite and even died in exercises.

    1. Re:So what? by dracvl · · Score: 1
      The main problem is that it's extremly cold at 8-10,000 meters and that you have to jump with supplemental oxygen. Don't try this at home, people have gotten frostbite and even died in exercises.

      That's a mighty tall house you have there, lad.

    2. Re:So what? by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      The big news IS the contraption. He travelled HORIZONTALLY for 30+ km while in free-fall, not vertically.

  90. Terrorist Danger? by Izeickl · · Score: 1, Troll

    Im picturing an army of Muhammads flying across the atlantic with bomb clusters strapped to themselves. Ofcourse due to flight time provisions of night time sandles, turban press and a copy of "Suicide For Dummies" or "All-ah Need Is My AK47" is also provided by the MAD (Muslim Air Drop) squad.

    1. Re:Terrorist Danger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Muslims wearing turbans eh? Looks like some people still have a few things to learn about life outside the US of A.

    2. Re:Terrorist Danger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't wear turbans? Hmm... Be right back, I gotta go untie some folks...

  91. I'll bet the DOD has ordered these in gross... by Papatoast · · Score: 0

    We'll be seeing these on Foxx news when the US invades Iran...or N. Korea...or Liberia...or East St. Louis...

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  92. Stranger ... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    ... is the fact that the UK (where the BBC and Sky News are based) uses (nominally at least) the metric system and the US(where CNN HQ are) uses Imperial (or English, British or whatever is called) system.

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  93. My body is the airplane ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's another publicity-seeking idiot.

    - He claims he's the airplane. He's no more the airplane than the pilot of a hangglider.

    - He also claims to have the lowest base jump (from the statue of Christ in Rio de Janeiro) because the statue is about 100 ft. He neglects to say that he jumped all the way to the bottom of the hill.

  94. Re:Oh, sure, like the French need THAT! by FoeNyx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nah, we would have said :

    "La perfide Albion nous envahi de nouveau !
    Boutons les anglois volants hors de France"

    Btw we would have been nice and we would have paid his
    eurostar ticket. Back to London at 334.7km/h !!!
    (new record from yesterday)

    Gone quick as he came ;-)

    *grin*

  95. Re:Hmm.. it's called Terminal Velocity by cyber_rigger · · Score: 1



    That's the speed you are going when you hit the Airport Terminal.

  96. Re:NEXT UP SYRIA THEN NKOREA WATCH OUT by fuzzeli · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Ah, Jingoism swells in the heart of the Anonymous Coward.

    With apologies to Fozzie Bear.

  97. Hang Glider From Orbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    About 15 years ago I was the Industrial Adviser to an aeronautical engineering student whose Final Project was the design of such a Personnal Re-entry Hang Glider.

    She did quite well but did not get an opportunity to build / test her design.

    Would have been interesting.

  98. holy glide angle, Batman! by twitter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    14 minutes is ~0.23 hours. 360km/h * .23h == 82.8km

    That's incredible! The article also said:

    Mr Baumgartner said the plane was at 30,000 ft (9,000 m) when he jumped - and he initially reached speeds of 360 km (220 miles) per hour. For most of the freefall, he was travelling at about 220 km (135 miles) per hour, he said.

    Well, that's not so incredible now. The BBC diagram makes things reasonably clear. 9km up 36km long, surprisingly enough gives you a path that's not that much longer than 37 km, we'll call it 39 because it was an arc. His maximum speed was 360 km/hr and he slowed down as he got closer to the ground. Fortunately for him, his chute opened and he got that great sudden stop that comes before you get a much greater stop. 14 minutes must have felt like an eternity.

    His glide angle was a respectable 1 verticle to 4 horizontal.

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  99. Imperial or Metric: make up your mind! by Sri+Lumpa · · Score: 1

    Mr Baumgartner said the plane was at 30,000 ft (9,000 m) when he jumped - and he initially reached speeds of 360 km (220 miles) per hour.

    So which system do you want to use, metric or imperial?

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    1. Re:Imperial or Metric: make up your mind! by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      European aeronautical which if i recall kinda mixes and matches. this is just from observation...the official standard in europe is likely all metric as a Canadian I use "miles" (km), feet, inches, "mph" (km/h), mpg, litres/gallons depending what is in quotes we say, and what is in brackets we mean

    2. Re:Imperial or Metric: make up your mind! by Sri+Lumpa · · Score: 1


      I think in Europe we use feet for altitude and nautical miles for distances at sea, it was just the presence of both so close that made me smile.

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  100. Jumping the English Channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was the jumper's name "Ron Obvious" and was he carrying a bag of bricks? Next week, he will try to eat an entire Anglican Cathedral.

  101. Not on Earth, he wouldn't. by MisterSquid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Now would he have jumped out at 30km height, he would have broken the sound barrier and then, slowed down to 220kph.

    Mach I at 30 km (18.6 miles) is about 675 mph. He was travelling, at his fastest, at 360 kmh (200 mph), nowhere near the sound barrier at any altitude. The sound barrier increases and decreases even as altitude increases, but it never goes lower than about 660 mph. Here's a chart of Mach 1 at different altitudes.

    (On an entirely different note, has anyone besides me noticed that the quality of Slashdot moderation has degraded over the last year or so? I haven't been "assigned" mod points since the great move West, but I know I used to do a better job than what passes for moderation these days. The mod system needs something way much more effective than the current M2 system which does absolutely nothing. I mean, we're talking about something fundamental as the speed of sound.)

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    1. Re:Not on Earth, he wouldn't. by atomicdragon · · Score: 3, Informative

      I believe the post was referring to the jump made by US Air Force Captain Joseph Kittinger who jumped from roughly 30 km and nearly broke the sound barrier in 1960. His maximum speed was 614 mph, which is about mach 0.91. He probably could have gone faster than sound had he jumped a little higher and/or opened his chute later. Google his name and you will find more info.

    2. Re:Not on Earth, he wouldn't. by MxTxL · · Score: 1

      http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/coldwar/pe. htm

      Airforce seems to think he went 714.

      "He experienced temperatures as low as minus 94 degrees Fahrenheit and a maximum speed of 714 miles per hour, exceeding the speed of sound. "

    3. Re:Not on Earth, he wouldn't. by andrewski · · Score: 1

      (On an entirely different note, has anyone besides me noticed that the quality of Slashdot moderation has degraded over the last year or so? I haven't been "assigned" mod points since the great move West, but I know I used to do a better job than what passes for moderation these days. The mod system needs something way much more effective than the current M2 system which does absolutely nothing. I mean, we're talking about something fundamental as the speed of sound.)

      ME TOO

  102. HALO/HAHO by core+plexus · · Score: 1
    It's called HALO (High Altitude, Low Opening). You exit the aircraft at 25,000 ft. +, and drift for awhile. Depending on the situation you can drift quite a ways, definately more than 30 miles. It's probably classified so I better pretend I'm ignorant of the details. But it's been around for awhile.

    There's also HAHO.

    I have no knowledge of the incident you may be describing, and furthermore, any information I may have I would not be at liberty to reveal.

    -cp-

    1. Re:HALO/HAHO by AlistairGroves · · Score: 1

      It's probably classified so I better pretend I'm ignorant of the details Actually, it's not classified, and you ARE ignorant of the details..... HALO jumps don't allow you to drift very far, it's the HAHO (high opening) jumps that allow you to get distances of around 30 miles, without a canopy you'd be lucky to get more than 2 or 3

  103. What about lack of air pressure by zaqattack911 · · Score: 1

    I always thought that the human body had trouble at altitudes above 20,000feet simply because of the lack of airpressure.

    Even though he had an oxygen supply would the rapid change of air pressure cause him serious problems? His ears... severe headaches... risk of seizures... yadda ? And what about the guy who dropped from 100,000 feet?

    Christ look what happens to a scuba diver if he returns to the surface too quickly... the compressed air in his blood expands to fuck him up :) (although I acknoledge that this is the other way around... returning to a higher air pressure)

    1. Re:What about lack of air pressure by gilmour14 · · Score: 1

      In scuba diving, you can descend as fast as you want... like you said, its coming up thats the problem. I'd assume that jumping out of a plane at low pressure and falling to high pressure would be analogous to descending in scuba, in which case theres not really a problem.

    2. Re:What about lack of air pressure by zaqattack911 · · Score: 1

      yes.. but what about jumping from a pressurized plane, into thin air?

  104. Going bnack in time by maroberts · · Score: 1

    The crossing the Channel is regarded as a big barrier since The Daily Mail sponsored a competition to cross the channel, which was won by Louis Bleriot (1909?). Since the Channel is the first significant distance between major powers (England/France) it meant new means of post, transport and communication, and aslo meant that flying could be commercialised.

    Since then, flyers have regarded it as a sort of first step

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  105. Enough Already Dude! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yo, Jackson, we got it the first time, you have over 900 jumps.

    I have more than 0 jumps (well, 1) and you don't see me noising it about in multiple posts, do you?

  106. Fins react by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard this finnish guy is going to strap two austrians to his side and attempt
    to break his record.

  107. man harnesses beaver power to fly across channel by kunfumanchu · · Score: 1

    this is bad. the austrians have harnessed the power of the squirrel! squirrel power is strengthwise seconded only by wombat power! A REVOLUTION IS IN ORDER! DOGPILE ON MARVIN!

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  108. TURBO! ... beans? by HitchHik · · Score: 1

    And a TURBO sticker on the butt.

    The question is did he eat beans before the flight?

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  109. Stall landing? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    Now, I'm not a pilot, and don't know much about the physics of all this, but would it be at all possible to glide down very fast in this thing, have some powered ailerons (sp?) attached, and pull up into a stall and just kind of land the way people with RC planes land? When I landed mine, you cut the throttle, and just do a bunch of repeated mini stalls until your speed is sufficiently reduced.

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  110. Obligatory Toy Story Reference by eganloo · · Score: 1

    "That's not flying! That's falling with style." ;)
    -- Woody

    All kidding aside, due props to the fellow. Anyone else had flashbacks to Pilotwings 64 on the Nintendo 64?

  111. skydiving, or flying? by h4x0r-3l337 · · Score: 1

    Is use of the terms "skydiving" and "free fall" really correct when the guy achieved 35 kilometers horizontal motion for only 9 kilometers of vertical motion? Sounds more like "gliding" to me...
    (for comparison, it's equivalent to a 26% incline, about the same as an average ski-slope)

  112. 220 kph ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow! 220 kilos per hour. That's what I call a weight loss. Or was it $220000/h? Or kilometers per hour (km/h)? Too bad we'll never know.

  113. Trained for three years my arse! by ConfusedVorlon · · Score: 1

    He might have been mucking around with a wing for three years. I'll bet my bottom dollar it was not something that people would call training (e.g. concerted effort to develop skills to handle wing). The main thing to take from all the claims about speed, danger, etc is that this is a stuntman with an eye for publicity. Of course his life was in danger every second. Of course he trained for 3 years.

  114. Re: Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah if I didn't roll my nose I'd get "dump.. sniv- bang!"

    also keep in mind that the 150 knot rated deployment speed on most parachutes is fine for the parachute no matter what you're doing, but the harness is designed to distribute the force nicely on *you* only if you aren't in a particularly fast forward track.

    Hell even if you throw out in a moderate track (like 15 knots forward) you can smack your chin on your clavicle and really leave yourself with a sore neck.

  115. But he didn't land! by Avihson · · Score: 1

    I would have been impressed if he had landed that wing instead of copping out and pulling the chute. he did less than a hang-glider The guys that Air-board at least do more than just lay there, they do stunts and change directions. Now if he would have bled off that airspeed, and flared up to a landing... that would have been worthy of /.

  116. Ron Obvious of Neaps End by AShocka · · Score: 1

    One of my all time favorites; Monty Python's Ron Obvious of Neaps End attempts to jump the English Channel

  117. Re:I knew it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My brain just had to envision you, if those were your parents. I came up with nothing.

  118. oh ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instruction Booklet. How to escape from cuba to usa, or from usa to mexico, or from mexico back to cuba? 1. Make stunt 2. Everyone will be so busy admiring your stunt they'll forget that you just happily passed the border without even a passport check!

  119. 101st Airborne? by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 1

    Michael, what do you know about the 101st Airborne? Hello, they jump using staitic line not freefall.

    1. Re:101st Airborne? by mikewhiz · · Score: 1

      They don't even jump any longer. Air Assault (Rappel/Fast Rope) from helicopters.

  120. Not very impressive. by vfxpro · · Score: 1
    Ok, so, he jumped out of a plane "sky diver" fashion. Extra points for style, but the trick is not very impressive from an aerodynamic standpoint. I'm a hang glider pilot. Even my low performance hang glider gets an 8:1 glide. State of the art "Rigid Wing" hang gliders like the ATOS or Stalker get a 19:1 glide. People have, in the past, done what is called a "ballon drop" where they get thier ride up on a ballon, cut loose, and then glide. You can cover a LOT of ground with a 19:1 glide and a tailwind. But you don't even need to get a lift to 30,000 to make impressive flights.

    The world record hang glider flight is over 430 miles, and he started at like 2000 feet agl.

    The BBC article put it nicely "Falling with style" just like Buzz Lightyear.

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  121. I'm disappointed... by kermit1221 · · Score: 1

    No, I didn't read every comment. However, in the reading I did do, I found no mention of the fact that Red Bull energy drink was an obvious sponsor. Their logo emblazoned on his wing and chest.

    I thought it was funny as hell.

  122. I disagree by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    I've got about 900 skydives, and have jumped several times from 50km, and I was not cold at all.

  123. Skydive? by Jumper99 · · Score: 1

    Should we really consider this a "skydive"? I think it's more closly realted to hang gliding although with a much smaller wing.

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  124. Never mind the insurance costs by fm6 · · Score: 1

    It's not just the cost of the insurance. If Jolie had been hurt, there'd have been no movie, and that's a disaster no matter how much insurance you have. When they were filming LOTR in New Zealand, the producers forbad the actors from participating in dangerous sports. But hang-gliding and skydiving are big there (what better way to see the famouse NZ landscape?!), and this rule was widely ignored. Which made for a lot of hair-tearing. If they'd had to cancel production, they might have gotten most of their production costs back from insurance, but it'd have been a big setback in a bunch of careers, not to mention a couple years out of the lives of a lot of people.