Think about it this way. Banner ads pay around $0.10 per hit / click. How many banner ads have you clicked on since you have visted/. I personally, have clicked on ~5 total.
If even 10 users each pay $5/month, thats still more money then they might have recived from banner ads from those users. Since my banner ads are filtered, I won't notice them. But, since I read/. quite a bit and enjoy the site. I might be willing to pay to get rid of those ads just to make sure the site doesn't go under.
The point is, that regardless how small the number of users actually subscribe, it will still mean more income then just banner ads.
How about creating a seperate section just for paying users. Or allowing paying users to contribute stories on there own, in that section. Of course, it would need to be monitored so there isn't just a ton of people submitting plugs for the company and what not.... just an idea.
Thats how its been working for me. Durring the 4.x days, I was only playing around. Then I wondered onto a copy of 5.0, played around with it for a few months off and on. Then started using it seriously durring 5.1's release.
My DNS/DHCP server at the other house is still running rh 6.0. I haven't had time to upgrade it, and its been good to me for all these years. No reason to upgrade it:)
Welp, its time to give this a shot, first machine I will upgrade it my laptop. Which I want to move away from Mandrake 7.2 anyway. Lets see how it goes:)
I do it a little differently. I will buy a distro AFTER I installed it and fully tested it. Then, I am happy to go out and buy the cheapest boxed version I can. (I can't afford $200 every few months)
I downloaded Mandrake 8.1, and was very displeased. So, I am not going to buy it. I have switched back to rh 7.1 (Upgrading to 7.2 tonight). Depending on how things go, I will stick with rh and buy the boxed set. Simply to support them.
I switched to Mandrake durring rh 7.0, which was a mess. So, I didn't support them durring that time. But, from what I hear so far, rh 7.2 is very nice. So, well see what happens.
I just wish there was a distro with a simular setup to rh, with something like debians apt-get and thats pretty current. urpmi (or what ever its called) pretty much sucks. apt-get is very nice, if you don't mind using applications that are 2 years old.
For me, picking a good distro is very hard. Overall I have stuck with rh and will contunie to support them. If your a big rh fan, please buy the boxed version. Even if you only do it ever other release. (I know its a pain in the ass buying a new version every 6 months)
So, if virus's are an act of terrisom, then that must mean that Microsoft is harboring those virus writters by not fixing there secruity problems and not caring ?
:)
Re:Lets see if they get it right this time
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then use postgres. or mysql, when it has what you need. I don't control development over it either.
I don't have that choose at this stage of the game. We want to support as many DBs as possiable. The less DBs we support, the less users we have. Another reason we support PHP 3... which is another issue all together:) Honestly, using transaction I was running some stress tests last week. I found that PostgreSQL was *MUCH* quicker at bulk inserts then MySQL. I inserted 5,000,000 records, from 3 seperate machines.
id serial
client varchar(30)
timestamp timestamp
That was basicly the format. The client just should which machine was connecting and dropping in the data. Its quite simple, nothing crazy. I think benchmarks are pretty much BS, but its instresting to see how much transactions in general help.
No matter how quick something is, if theres a possiably you will loose data for something stupied. (User error, network, DB, programmer, etc) It will be very pointless having the speed. If its true that transactions are slower (based on my tests, there not) You can loose valuable data if something screaws up and it can't rollback / abort.
Its an on going debate, I think every DB has there purpose. It comes down to what you need. Yes, I can't control there development. But, if there development is steared in a way that no one wants to go, people will switch DBs. What there users and just about every applications users, want, is VERY important, IMO.
Re:Lets see if they get it right this time
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Not in PostgreSQL, thats why I was mentioning for MySQL to add the same format as I belive is in the SQL standard. I might be a little off on this. But, both DBs handle this differently. I found a query that works in both, but returns more columns then I need. Which isn't TOO bad, but annoying.
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I don't find it so easy. This is the number one reason why there is currently no support for Oracle in phpGroupWare. How do we and a limit function. (Our database functions are abstracted, we would call something like db->limit(query,start,line,file,number of returns) )
With Oracle, dealing with cursors is a pain in the ass, I haven't even attempted them yet. (I got proper warning about them:) Anyway, I hope there is a limit clause in the new standard.
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I agree, I think they should follow the standards better, before advertising it. Also, I think the standard(s) should be updated to include some small things like the limit clause, which is VERY nice to have.
Re:Lets see if they get it right this time
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Some projects and applications require the use of triggers, sub-selectes and transaction, some don't / won't.
phpGroupWare is a good example, without access to this things, there is MORE database overhead to make it work with MySQL. If there was proper support for triggers, simple things like login and logout access could be handled by the DB backend. Transaction are a VERY important feature. When updating 10 records in 5 different tables, things can go wrong. If they do, rollback. No (within reason) loss of data.
I don't see any preformance problems with PostgreSQL with all of these features. PostgreSQL also has some feature it needs, joins and what not. But, hey:)
Lets see if they get it right this time
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MySQL has been missing some very important key parts, which makes life very difficault working cross database.
timestamp field doesn't follow SQL standards
Sub-selects
Triggers would be nice
select disinct on (field_name)... would also be nice
To sum it all up, I hope they plan on following SQL standards this time around.
WTF ?! How on Earth did this comment get "troll" ?! The topic was the 2.4.11 kernel release and how I wish ext3 would be merged soon.
I responded to another message talking about rh 7.2 and ext3. I think they kinda go hand and hand. I can't see how this is trolling. This is quite upsetting.
Use the source! Take a look at the Makefile in the root of the source tree. Theres a make spec and make rpm target. I am going to try it for shits and giggles, I didn't know there was such an option:)
I noticed it the day it was created (The directory), the permissions are intresting meaning there is something in there. I hope its released soon, I want to move away from Mandrake 8.1, I have moved back to Red Hat 7.1 becuase it works *MUCH* better.
Anyway, I can't wait for ext3, I thought 2.4.11 was *supposed* to have ext3 merged in the main branch. Oh well.
The thing that really suprises me about patents, is how long it takes patent holders to respond. TiVos be around for a few years, and this patent is from 1992... What takes so long to respond. Oh gee, I forgot I had that patent. I am sure at least one of there employees must have relized this eailer.
Also, its important to remeber that not every mission can be 100% successfull. Science is *NOT* a sure thing. There will be screaw ups and things will go wrong. We need to stop yelling about the past and fix it. I agree, there where bugs, lets work them out and go to mars.
Question: Why bother holding onto Windows 95 or 98 ? I would just start pushing other OSes as far as you can. I try to educate people about alternatives all the time. It helps. I have converted ~50 people in the last year alone.
I think this business model and marketing schema will only backfire on them. This is things that usually happen to MS, since they never seem to learn. Hey, there digging there own hole.
Why buy the Windows version if you running Linux ? I bought the Linux version to support Linux games. I regularly buy Linux games to support what Loki games is doing, porting games to Linux. I am happy that there getting smart by making games so you can't do that anymore.
Re:You know what all this proves?
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Thats becuase you need a good sense of humor to deal with vi:)
J/K... I use vi when ever I am doing anything on the console, but main editor is glimmer. Been using it for over a year and it kicks ass:)
There was a point durring all of this, that the updates directory on rhs FTP site where all empty. For at least 3 weeks. This was around the time they where first starting up the rh network idea.
Download the network.img file, and dump it on a floppy. You will need to know the FTP servers info before hand.
Download the ISO and mount it via loop back. eg, mount Mandrake.iso/var/ftp/pub/Mandrake-8.1 -o loop=/dev/loop0 For that to work, you need a 2nd machine with an FTP connection to the first machine. This is how I did my install.
I understand that, but a few months ago (when I was running rh 7.1) it was very difficault finding ANY mirror that provided it. Logging into the rh FTP site is very slow. So, I try to use a mirror as much as possiable.
Finding a Mandrake mirror for updates is very simple. Its right on there website, and they keep the list very current.
Maybe rh was changing things around when I was last looking into it, I will research it again.
Re:Has anyone tried to upgrade (not fresh install)
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yes, read my post a little futher down. Its a mess, make sure you have both CDs ready to go or you will have a slew of dependice problems.
I have been a long time Red Hat user, durring the 7.0 problems I tried Mandrake as an alertenative. 7.2 was very nice, and 8.0 wasn't too shabby. I didn't like some things with 8.0, but I could deal with it.
8.1 is a mess.
First off, there boot up screen is better then 8.0, but not by much. They brought back the icons from 7.2, but it doesn't look right.
If you are upgrading, make sure you have the 2nd CD ready to go. It will cause all sorts of problems and missing dependices.
I can't get to a console, the font is SOOOO big its unreadable. I think its a config screaw up, I can fix it, but new users might not be able to.
I personally think they should have had KDE 2.2.0 come with it. 2.2.1 is just not stable enough, I am still having a slew of problems with the panel. (But, thats another story:)
I am going to give it a few days, then I might move back to Red Hat. I just don't like the BS RH appears to be pulling with there RPMs. *VERY* few FTP sites are carrying there update RPMs. I think its on purpose, to get you to use the RH network. Once again, another story:)
Slashdot Mirror
Think about it this way. Banner ads pay around $0.10 per hit / click. How many banner ads have you clicked on since you have visted /. I personally, have clicked on ~5 total.
If even 10 users each pay $5/month, thats still more money then they might have recived from banner ads from those users. Since my banner ads are filtered, I won't notice them. But, since I read /. quite a bit and enjoy the site. I might be willing to pay to get rid of those ads just to make sure the site doesn't go under.
The point is, that regardless how small the number of users actually subscribe, it will still mean more income then just banner ads.
How about creating a seperate section just for paying users. Or allowing paying users to contribute stories on there own, in that section. Of course, it would need to be monitored so there isn't just a ton of people submitting plugs for the company and what not .... just an idea.
Thats how its been working for me. Durring the 4.x days, I was only playing around. Then I wondered onto a copy of 5.0, played around with it for a few months off and on. Then started using it seriously durring 5.1's release.
My DNS/DHCP server at the other house is still running rh 6.0. I haven't had time to upgrade it, and its been good to me for all these years. No reason to upgrade it :)
Welp, its time to give this a shot, first machine I will upgrade it my laptop. Which I want to move away from Mandrake 7.2 anyway. Lets see how it goes :)
I do it a little differently. I will buy a distro AFTER I installed it and fully tested it. Then, I am happy to go out and buy the cheapest boxed version I can. (I can't afford $200 every few months)
I downloaded Mandrake 8.1, and was very displeased. So, I am not going to buy it. I have switched back to rh 7.1 (Upgrading to 7.2 tonight). Depending on how things go, I will stick with rh and buy the boxed set. Simply to support them.
I switched to Mandrake durring rh 7.0, which was a mess. So, I didn't support them durring that time. But, from what I hear so far, rh 7.2 is very nice. So, well see what happens.
I just wish there was a distro with a simular setup to rh, with something like debians apt-get and thats pretty current. urpmi (or what ever its called) pretty much sucks. apt-get is very nice, if you don't mind using applications that are 2 years old.
For me, picking a good distro is very hard. Overall I have stuck with rh and will contunie to support them. If your a big rh fan, please buy the boxed version. Even if you only do it ever other release. (I know its a pain in the ass buying a new version every 6 months)
So, if virus's are an act of terrisom, then that must mean that Microsoft is harboring those virus writters by not fixing there secruity problems and not caring ?
:)
I don't have that choose at this stage of the game. We want to support as many DBs as possiable. The less DBs we support, the less users we have. Another reason we support PHP 3 ... which is another issue all together :) Honestly, using transaction I was running some stress tests last week. I found that PostgreSQL was *MUCH* quicker at bulk inserts then MySQL. I inserted 5,000,000 records, from 3 seperate machines.
id serial
client varchar(30)
timestamp timestamp
That was basicly the format. The client just should which machine was connecting and dropping in the data. Its quite simple, nothing crazy. I think benchmarks are pretty much BS, but its instresting to see how much transactions in general help.
No matter how quick something is, if theres a possiably you will loose data for something stupied. (User error, network, DB, programmer, etc) It will be very pointless having the speed. If its true that transactions are slower (based on my tests, there not) You can loose valuable data if something screaws up and it can't rollback / abort.
Its an on going debate, I think every DB has there purpose. It comes down to what you need. Yes, I can't control there development. But, if there development is steared in a way that no one wants to go, people will switch DBs. What there users and just about every applications users, want, is VERY important, IMO.
Not in PostgreSQL, thats why I was mentioning for MySQL to add the same format as I belive is in the SQL standard. I might be a little off on this. But, both DBs handle this differently. I found a query that works in both, but returns more columns then I need. Which isn't TOO bad, but annoying.
I don't find it so easy. This is the number one reason why there is currently no support for Oracle in phpGroupWare. How do we and a limit function. (Our database functions are abstracted, we would call something like db->limit(query,start,line,file,number of returns) )
With Oracle, dealing with cursors is a pain in the ass, I haven't even attempted them yet. (I got proper warning about them :) Anyway, I hope there is a limit clause in the new standard.
I agree, I think they should follow the standards better, before advertising it. Also, I think the standard(s) should be updated to include some small things like the limit clause, which is VERY nice to have.
Some projects and applications require the use of triggers, sub-selectes and transaction, some don't / won't.
phpGroupWare is a good example, without access to this things, there is MORE database overhead to make it work with MySQL. If there was proper support for triggers, simple things like login and logout access could be handled by the DB backend. Transaction are a VERY important feature. When updating 10 records in 5 different tables, things can go wrong. If they do, rollback. No (within reason) loss of data.
I don't see any preformance problems with PostgreSQL with all of these features. PostgreSQL also has some feature it needs, joins and what not. But, hey :)
WTF ?! How on Earth did this comment get "troll" ?! The topic was the 2.4.11 kernel release and how I wish ext3 would be merged soon.
I responded to another message talking about rh 7.2 and ext3. I think they kinda go hand and hand. I can't see how this is trolling. This is quite upsetting.
Use the source! Take a look at the Makefile in the root of the source tree. Theres a make spec and make rpm target. I am going to try it for shits and giggles, I didn't know there was such an option :)
I noticed it the day it was created (The directory), the permissions are intresting meaning there is something in there. I hope its released soon, I want to move away from Mandrake 8.1, I have moved back to Red Hat 7.1 becuase it works *MUCH* better.
Anyway, I can't wait for ext3, I thought 2.4.11 was *supposed* to have ext3 merged in the main branch. Oh well.
nsync already has some great copy protection. There fscking music! Why on gods green earth would anyone want to listen to it, let alone copy it!
The thing that really suprises me about patents, is how long it takes patent holders to respond. TiVos be around for a few years, and this patent is from 1992 ... What takes so long to respond. Oh gee, I forgot I had that patent. I am sure at least one of there employees must have relized this eailer.
Also, its important to remeber that not every mission can be 100% successfull. Science is *NOT* a sure thing. There will be screaw ups and things will go wrong. We need to stop yelling about the past and fix it. I agree, there where bugs, lets work them out and go to mars.
Question: Why bother holding onto Windows 95 or 98 ? I would just start pushing other OSes as far as you can. I try to educate people about alternatives all the time. It helps. I have converted ~50 people in the last year alone.
I think this business model and marketing schema will only backfire on them. This is things that usually happen to MS, since they never seem to learn. Hey, there digging there own hole.
Why buy the Windows version if you running Linux ? I bought the Linux version to support Linux games. I regularly buy Linux games to support what Loki games is doing, porting games to Linux. I am happy that there getting smart by making games so you can't do that anymore.
Thats becuase you need a good sense of humor to deal with vi :)
J/K ... I use vi when ever I am doing anything on the console, but main editor is glimmer. Been using it for over a year and it kicks ass :)
There was a point durring all of this, that the updates directory on rhs FTP site where all empty. For at least 3 weeks. This was around the time they where first starting up the rh network idea.
For that to work, you need a 2nd machine with an FTP connection to the first machine. This is how I did my install.
I understand that, but a few months ago (when I was running rh 7.1) it was very difficault finding ANY mirror that provided it. Logging into the rh FTP site is very slow. So, I try to use a mirror as much as possiable.
Finding a Mandrake mirror for updates is very simple. Its right on there website, and they keep the list very current.
Maybe rh was changing things around when I was last looking into it, I will research it again.
yes, read my post a little futher down. Its a mess, make sure you have both CDs ready to go or you will have a slew of dependice problems.
I have been a long time Red Hat user, durring the 7.0 problems I tried Mandrake as an alertenative. 7.2 was very nice, and 8.0 wasn't too shabby. I didn't like some things with 8.0, but I could deal with it.
8.1 is a mess.I am going to give it a few days, then I might move back to Red Hat. I just don't like the BS RH appears to be pulling with there RPMs. *VERY* few FTP sites are carrying there update RPMs. I think its on purpose, to get you to use the RH network. Once again, another story :)