I could careless if the storage method was a punch card system. I am simply talking about the transport bewteen client and server. Its up to the server to handle it from there. The client doesn't need to know what the other end is, as long as it gives it a method name, parameters and gets a certain response, then who cares.
Most of phpGroupWares storage is down via SQL. Evolution is storing its data via IMAP. Doesn't matter, as long as we both use the same methods, parameters and returns. This way, its possiable for someone to use phpGroupWare for the HTML part, Evolution for the client side, using a Java or C based backened server which handles the actually auth, storage, and what not.
Not trying to sound nasty or anything. But, if your so intrested in it and phpGroupWare, maybe you should read our news more then once a year:) Our XML-RPC interface is already working with 3 applications. Its kinda buggy in certain parts, some method names need to be changed. Outside of that, it DOES work and works quite well. We have a client side application avaiable for download. Mainly, its proof of concept ATM.
Anyway, I agree. XML-RPC is much nicer and cleaner then SOAP. Thats why I started heading its development. Other developers (Mostly Milosch) are working on the SOAP portions. SOAP also gives me a headache:)
As far as handing out a spec for the methods, parameters, and returns. This will be happening very soon. As soon as things are cleaned up and I can start writting it out. (There is an automatic parser in the works to handle it...)
Its nice, but I can't figure where they say its groupware. Currently, its a PIM. But, for some odd reason, there not intrested in intergrating it into a groupware application via XML-RPC or SOAP. If that where true, then they could start plugging into phpGroupWare. I have about 20 people a week asking me if I could ask them to do it, so I simply tell them to email there developers instead. Needless to say, nothing has come about.
Also, we actually have a client side application for Linux and Windows that is working. (Buggy, but works) Its still under heavy development, but it pretty easy to plug into. A more portable version is in the works.
Anyway, so people would stop asking me about it, please, email there development team and ask them to talk to the phpGroupWare guys about creating an XML-RPC or SOAP interface. I think these 2 projects would go hand and hand nicely.
So, for those complaining about the lack of an "exchange server" enviroment, something is there, just not being used.
I wasn't planing on getting it today or anything. But, if Tuxgames is going to create a Linux release of it, I will hold off. I would much rather buy the Linux boxed version. I bought 4 copys of Q3A to show my support. I know some people think thats crazy, but I really enjoy it, even till today. Urban Terror and Q3F kick ass:)
I can now go out and buy the game:) I wasn't gonna get it until a Linux port was avaiable. I played the multi-player test for a while, which got boring, becuase I played it everynight for a month:)
I have read some people complaining about the installation. Yes, it sucks, but at least they ported it. Durring the initital talks about RTCWS, they said there wouldn't be a Linux port. Not even the current binary download.
Be happy they changed there minds.
If ID Software is saying they just barly broke even on Q3A for Linux, why don't they have both versions on the CD ? Then just have the server browser detect the OS its running on for stats and what not. I think that in it self would help move more people to Linux.
Games on Linux is a large reason why people aren't switching. Loki games has done a *VERY* good job at it so far. There installation program that they GPLed, is being used in some cool places. For example, all Borland products released on Linux use it:)
If they would only port Everquest to Linux, you would have a swarm of people switching to 100% Linux.
At any rate, thanks ID and (Gray matter is it ?) for the Linux port.
Maybe I am still living in my cave (urr, office) but how many devices did actually have CE in it. Outside of the normal PDA. I have seen and heard about Linux (and BSD) being in things like, printers, "plug-and-play" servers (like those toys from Colbalt), etc.
There is a machine at the family business called a Holtzma. Its a German made saw. Its made to cut entire books of plywood (MCP, pine, or whatever). They have 3 of them, one with simple switches which is *VERY* old. The second has a digital display but looks like a custom OS. The newest one has a Windows machine build in. (I can't wait for the day when I walk by, see the blue seen of death, and get to say those famous words:)
Anyway, the point behind the saw is that this would be the perfect place for Linux. The PC running it currently has to be a fast machine, becuase of the Windows requirements. Linux however, could use much lower requirements. Plus, take a window manager like blackbox, or other small window manager, to make it simple, small, nice user interface. Since people aren't using things like office suites, you could rip a lot of crap out of it.
Security on such a machine is also a big concern. Wouldn't it be great if your employee didn't feel like working that day, fired up regedit and made a few small changes ? You could imagine all of the other things that could be done. Since its Windows, theres always a false sense of security.
I assume in a few years companys like them would start getting smarter about it. People don't want propritary systems, they want something simple and small. Windows, has too many toys built into it that can't be removed. Plus, when you start looking at the outrages licensing ammounts for Windows. Linux, starts looking VERY nice.
To get Linux being used in a serious way, alls it would take is for a large PDA company like Palm to start offearing it on a few Palm Pilots. (Maybe create a few models with it, just to test the waters). People would start fogetting about Palm OS pretty quick. Other companys would surley follow.
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I am not sure whats going on these days, but things like this are poping up way too much in the stable kernels over the past 2 months. The 2.2 series kernel had issues, but not this offtean. Plus, memory management wasn't as serious. (as far as the eariley 2.4 issues)
Linus said when 2.3 was started that 2.4 would be a smaller quicker release style. I am wondering if that was a bad idea. Too much changed in 2.4, I think it really affected its development. I would rather see 2.5 development stopped ASAP to fix 99% of the 2.4 issues before going on. I could careless if 2.5 took another 2 years before it was started, as long as 2.4 was stable.
Becuase of all these recent events, I have decied to wait at LEAST 2 weeks before upgrading kernels. Durring 2.2 (at eailry 2.4) I would upgrade within a few hours of release. (By the time I found out:)
_if_ BSD would provide the same things that Linux can, (for example, a full/proc, which I find VERY usefull), I would think about switching, or dual booting. Most likley, moving my server over. BSD is quite stable compaired to Linux over the recent months. Its just not as easy to use.
I had a cable modem from Charter in the MI area, and some days dialup was quicker. Mainly becuase there are poor lines in the area.
I now have Comcast @home in the NJ area, I seriously get over 600k/sec on downloads. Most of the time I get ~400k/sec downloads. Upstream, I have gotten 200k/sec. Which, IMO, its pretty damn impresive.
I have had cable modems in the past that where pretty bad, unrealiable, slow, high packet loss, etc. So, for those areas, dropping broadband for dialup makes sense. But, I can't see what the big deal is. My uncle was plagued with cable modem problems durring his first 2 months, after which they re-ran all the lines in his house, and to the tap. From there, everything was great. Its been over 2 years since then, and has had zero problems.
I wonder when / if they will be intrested in working with other projects on an open XML-RPC / SOAP standard for the data access. This way, they could pull there data from a phpGroupWare server, or pull data from any number of projects that support the standards.
There idea would a datastore is IMAP, which makes no sense to me. But, thats how they want to add groupware functionality. I haven't been following the project very close, a few other developers in phpGroupWare have been hounding them.
At any rate, if you would like to see there client work with other open source groupware applications via XML-RPC / SOAP. Start bugging them.:)
Typically, we just call the hiding in the woods type rec ball. The best kind, mind you, but don't knock playing a quick game of speedball. Its just a differnt game. The values accuracy by volume, over hiding in the bushes.
Don't get me wrong, speedball is fun once in a while, its just not my cup of tea. I wasn't knocking it, it does involve a great deal of skill. Its like being on the swat team compaired to the army.
Your talking about 2 different styles of paintball. Speedball and military out in the woods style. (I am not sure if there is a name for the 2nd). Speedball is fast past game usually in small areas, where people go insaine at each other for 10 minutes. This can be play just about anywhere, its a basic close quarters combat, it does require lost of skill. Becuase, you need to think and react VERY quick.
The 2nd is my favorite, mainly becuase I am on old school paintballer. (Plus, full time wayko:) I like big 10 on 10 games, in the field, using everything from dummys, to 2 way radios, full camo, durring a nice game of CTF.
If the ATV where to be for sale, I would think there tring to merge the 2 styles togther. Kind of a raid the other base and take over. But, this would be a bad idea. Alls it takes is a good snipper and the driver and pasenger are done for.
Personally, I find it very funny how overboard people get with things. Next, people will try creating planes, adding guns on to motor cycles, <insert bizare military thing here>
The intresting thing is that its kinda hard not to notice the change. Just create a diff bewteen the 2 versions. It would still be difficault for non-kernel hackers to figure it out.
But, anyway, its just to prove a point, which I can understand. Either way, its fixed, and I am happy.
There are tons of installing still using the 2.2 series. For example, my laptop, DNS / DHCP server and firewall. Most of the 1 disk firewall distros currently use the 2.2 series kernel. It will be quite a while before the start moving to 2.4.
There are also the types of people who won't move there production servers / workstations over to 2.4 becuase of VM issues, and becuase of how long its been around. I am one of those types when it comes to filesystems. My main server is running ext2, it will be at least another 2 years before I think about moving it to ReiserFS or ext3. My workstation is using ext3, becuase the important things (/home) are mounted via NFS.
Anyway, I could show you my friends work which has over 200 2.2 series machines. Running anything from rh 6.2, to debian 2.2. Just becuase something is newier or has a higher version number, doesn't mean its better.
IBM did some benchmarks about 3 weeks ago, claiming that Linux has the biggest pipe for IPC. If you look at the results, you will notice how much slower XP is to w2k. Linux out preformed both by quite a bit. So, I belive what they are saying.
I know someone who did an install of w2k on a P-90 w/ 40 MB RAM and it ran fairly well for the speed of the machine. Installing XP was a greatly decrease in speed, to the point where it was unusable. This isn't the best benchmark using outdated hardware like a P-90, but, it proves my point.
Sure, I also left out the Univac, Ataris, trash 80s, and the long list of other machines:) I still have my Commodore 64, and use it once in a while. I think its a great toy, and was a powerfull machine for its day.
Times have pasted, I moved to DOS, then to Windows and off to Linux. So, its all good.
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hehehe, I just had to:) Anyway, I think DOS has been dead for a very long time. Ever since 98 come along, I knew very few people who even knew what DOS was at that point. DOS was good for the time when I was stupied growing up. Even if there was something else, I might not have installed it. I did however install OS/2 once, which became a nightmare. (This machine was a 286)
The biggest memorys I have back durring those days, was the Wolfenstien days, and doom. I remeber playing over a 14.4k modem against my friend down the street in a death match. Now, I wouldn't even think of doing that, but it was my first multiplayer game.
The way DOS handled things was a pain in the royal ass. Think Linux 2.4 kernel series has VM problems ?:) With that ol' 640k barrier, you had every single company making there own memory management apps. There was one called Quarter deck, wich also dubbed as a crash protection took kit. Which ended up crashing the machine even more then normal.
I have been told to get a dual orbiter heatsink / fan. I haven't had a chance to get one yet.
I was just pointing out that all of the newier CPUs made by AMD have thermal problems. ( ~900+ mhz ) I have a Athlon 650 and 800 which have no heat problems what so ever. I have beat the hell out of them on hot summer days, and they where fine. Even if the MB alarms go off, it still keeps going.
My Uncle has a 1000 mhz Athlon, which has no thermal problems. He has brought the load up fairly high, and the chip seems stable.
I know fans make a big difference, this report is based on CPUs without fans. But, if its unstable and has thermal problems with fans under normal conditions, then theres a serious problem.
I have an AMD 1.4GHz in my server, and I noticed when it gets very hot (under the load, and becuase theres no air conditioning in here) the alarm from the motherboard will start beeping and the machine locks. From that point, I shut the machine off and wait about 10 minutes before rebooting it. Since its getting closer to winter, this isn't happening anymore. But, it still worrys me.
I belive what Toms Hardware posted, and the video appears to be very acurate. I just need to watch things better. This doesn't mean I will stop buying AMD. I am a long time supporter of AMD, they, IMO, have the better quality chip over Intel.
I am running ext3 on all of my machines for a few good reasons. I have ran ReiserFS in the past, but I have switched.
ext3 feels more responsive then ReiserFS. This isn't a real benchmark.
ext3 supports file attributes. Which is *VERY* important to me. I am kinda pissed off that the most important (well, one of) file attribute is s, this way, if a file is deleted, its contents are zeroed out on the platter. Good for security waykos like me:)
chattr +a/home/*/.bash_history is a very nice feature.
You can mount an ext3 drive on a ext2 system. Theres no converstions that will cause data loss. Plus, it was very simple to get up and running with rh 7.2
Of course, it has 1 big draw back, its not merged with Linus's kernel. That should be happening soon, I hope.
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I could careless if the storage method was a punch card system. I am simply talking about the transport bewteen client and server. Its up to the server to handle it from there. The client doesn't need to know what the other end is, as long as it gives it a method name, parameters and gets a certain response, then who cares.
Most of phpGroupWares storage is down via SQL. Evolution is storing its data via IMAP. Doesn't matter, as long as we both use the same methods, parameters and returns. This way, its possiable for someone to use phpGroupWare for the HTML part, Evolution for the client side, using a Java or C based backened server which handles the actually auth, storage, and what not.
Not trying to sound nasty or anything. But, if your so intrested in it and phpGroupWare, maybe you should read our news more then once a year :) Our XML-RPC interface is already working with 3 applications. Its kinda buggy in certain parts, some method names need to be changed. Outside of that, it DOES work and works quite well. We have a client side application avaiable for download. Mainly, its proof of concept ATM.
:)
...)
Anyway, I agree. XML-RPC is much nicer and cleaner then SOAP. Thats why I started heading its development. Other developers (Mostly Milosch) are working on the SOAP portions. SOAP also gives me a headache
As far as handing out a spec for the methods, parameters, and returns. This will be happening very soon. As soon as things are cleaned up and I can start writting it out. (There is an automatic parser in the works to handle it
Hehehe, I wrote the Kylix client and I am using your librarys :) I setup this /. account a long time ago, before I started using the name jengo ... :)
Its nice, but I can't figure where they say its groupware. Currently, its a PIM. But, for some odd reason, there not intrested in intergrating it into a groupware application via XML-RPC or SOAP. If that where true, then they could start plugging into phpGroupWare. I have about 20 people a week asking me if I could ask them to do it, so I simply tell them to email there developers instead. Needless to say, nothing has come about.
Also, we actually have a client side application for Linux and Windows that is working. (Buggy, but works) Its still under heavy development, but it pretty easy to plug into. A more portable version is in the works.
Anyway, so people would stop asking me about it, please, email there development team and ask them to talk to the phpGroupWare guys about creating an XML-RPC or SOAP interface. I think these 2 projects would go hand and hand nicely.
So, for those complaining about the lack of an "exchange server" enviroment, something is there, just not being used.
I wasn't planing on getting it today or anything. But, if Tuxgames is going to create a Linux release of it, I will hold off. I would much rather buy the Linux boxed version. I bought 4 copys of Q3A to show my support. I know some people think thats crazy, but I really enjoy it, even till today. Urban Terror and Q3F kick ass :)
I can now go out and buy the game :) I wasn't gonna get it until a Linux port was avaiable. I played the multi-player test for a while, which got boring, becuase I played it everynight for a month :)
:)
I have read some people complaining about the installation. Yes, it sucks, but at least they ported it. Durring the initital talks about RTCWS, they said there wouldn't be a Linux port. Not even the current binary download.
Be happy they changed there minds.
If ID Software is saying they just barly broke even on Q3A for Linux, why don't they have both versions on the CD ? Then just have the server browser detect the OS its running on for stats and what not. I think that in it self would help move more people to Linux.
Games on Linux is a large reason why people aren't switching. Loki games has done a *VERY* good job at it so far. There installation program that they GPLed, is being used in some cool places. For example, all Borland products released on Linux use it
If they would only port Everquest to Linux, you would have a swarm of people switching to 100% Linux.
At any rate, thanks ID and (Gray matter is it ?) for the Linux port.
Maybe I am still living in my cave (urr, office) but how many devices did actually have CE in it. Outside of the normal PDA. I have seen and heard about Linux (and BSD) being in things like, printers, "plug-and-play" servers (like those toys from Colbalt), etc.
:)
There is a machine at the family business called a Holtzma. Its a German made saw. Its made to cut entire books of plywood (MCP, pine, or whatever). They have 3 of them, one with simple switches which is *VERY* old. The second has a digital display but looks like a custom OS. The newest one has a Windows machine build in. (I can't wait for the day when I walk by, see the blue seen of death, and get to say those famous words
Anyway, the point behind the saw is that this would be the perfect place for Linux. The PC running it currently has to be a fast machine, becuase of the Windows requirements. Linux however, could use much lower requirements. Plus, take a window manager like blackbox, or other small window manager, to make it simple, small, nice user interface. Since people aren't using things like office suites, you could rip a lot of crap out of it.
Security on such a machine is also a big concern. Wouldn't it be great if your employee didn't feel like working that day, fired up regedit and made a few small changes ? You could imagine all of the other things that could be done. Since its Windows, theres always a false sense of security.
I assume in a few years companys like them would start getting smarter about it. People don't want propritary systems, they want something simple and small. Windows, has too many toys built into it that can't be removed. Plus, when you start looking at the outrages licensing ammounts for Windows. Linux, starts looking VERY nice.
To get Linux being used in a serious way, alls it would take is for a large PDA company like Palm to start offearing it on a few Palm Pilots. (Maybe create a few models with it, just to test the waters). People would start fogetting about Palm OS pretty quick. Other companys would surley follow.
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I am not sure whats going on these days, but things like this are poping up way too much in the stable kernels over the past 2 months. The 2.2 series kernel had issues, but not this offtean. Plus, memory management wasn't as serious. (as far as the eariley 2.4 issues)
:)
/proc, which I find VERY usefull), I would think about switching, or dual booting. Most likley, moving my server over. BSD is quite stable compaired to Linux over the recent months. Its just not as easy to use.
Linus said when 2.3 was started that 2.4 would be a smaller quicker release style. I am wondering if that was a bad idea. Too much changed in 2.4, I think it really affected its development. I would rather see 2.5 development stopped ASAP to fix 99% of the 2.4 issues before going on. I could careless if 2.5 took another 2 years before it was started, as long as 2.4 was stable.
Becuase of all these recent events, I have decied to wait at LEAST 2 weeks before upgrading kernels. Durring 2.2 (at eailry 2.4) I would upgrade within a few hours of release. (By the time I found out
_if_ BSD would provide the same things that Linux can, (for example, a full
Anyway, I really hope things start improving.
I had a cable modem from Charter in the MI area, and some days dialup was quicker. Mainly becuase there are poor lines in the area.
I now have Comcast @home in the NJ area, I seriously get over 600k/sec on downloads. Most of the time I get ~400k/sec downloads. Upstream, I have gotten 200k/sec. Which, IMO, its pretty damn impresive.
I have had cable modems in the past that where pretty bad, unrealiable, slow, high packet loss, etc. So, for those areas, dropping broadband for dialup makes sense. But, I can't see what the big deal is. My uncle was plagued with cable modem problems durring his first 2 months, after which they re-ran all the lines in his house, and to the tap. From there, everything was great. Its been over 2 years since then, and has had zero problems.
I wonder when / if they will be intrested in working with other projects on an open XML-RPC / SOAP standard for the data access. This way, they could pull there data from a phpGroupWare server, or pull data from any number of projects that support the standards.
:)
There idea would a datastore is IMAP, which makes no sense to me. But, thats how they want to add groupware functionality. I haven't been following the project very close, a few other developers in phpGroupWare have been hounding them.
At any rate, if you would like to see there client work with other open source groupware applications via XML-RPC / SOAP. Start bugging them.
Honestly, I could care less about my spelling. /me heads to sourceforge to add a feature request for the slashcode.
This would actually make a good feature.
BTW, do you _really_ care about my spelling ?
Don't get me wrong, speedball is fun once in a while, its just not my cup of tea. I wasn't knocking it, it does involve a great deal of skill. Its like being on the swat team compaired to the army.
Your talking about 2 different styles of paintball. Speedball and military out in the woods style. (I am not sure if there is a name for the 2nd). Speedball is fast past game usually in small areas, where people go insaine at each other for 10 minutes. This can be play just about anywhere, its a basic close quarters combat, it does require lost of skill. Becuase, you need to think and react VERY quick.
:) I like big 10 on 10 games, in the field, using everything from dummys, to 2 way radios, full camo, durring a nice game of CTF.
The 2nd is my favorite, mainly becuase I am on old school paintballer. (Plus, full time wayko
If the ATV where to be for sale, I would think there tring to merge the 2 styles togther. Kind of a raid the other base and take over. But, this would be a bad idea. Alls it takes is a good snipper and the driver and pasenger are done for.
Personally, I find it very funny how overboard people get with things. Next, people will try creating planes, adding guns on to motor cycles, <insert bizare military thing here>
The intresting thing is that its kinda hard not to notice the change. Just create a diff bewteen the 2 versions. It would still be difficault for non-kernel hackers to figure it out.
But, anyway, its just to prove a point, which I can understand. Either way, its fixed, and I am happy.
There are tons of installing still using the 2.2 series. For example, my laptop, DNS / DHCP server and firewall. Most of the 1 disk firewall distros currently use the 2.2 series kernel. It will be quite a while before the start moving to 2.4.
There are also the types of people who won't move there production servers / workstations over to 2.4 becuase of VM issues, and becuase of how long its been around. I am one of those types when it comes to filesystems. My main server is running ext2, it will be at least another 2 years before I think about moving it to ReiserFS or ext3. My workstation is using ext3, becuase the important things (/home) are mounted via NFS.
Anyway, I could show you my friends work which has over 200 2.2 series machines. Running anything from rh 6.2, to debian 2.2. Just becuase something is newier or has a higher version number, doesn't mean its better.
IBM did some benchmarks about 3 weeks ago, claiming that Linux has the biggest pipe for IPC. If you look at the results, you will notice how much slower XP is to w2k. Linux out preformed both by quite a bit. So, I belive what they are saying.
:)
I know someone who did an install of w2k on a P-90 w/ 40 MB RAM and it ran fairly well for the speed of the machine. Installing XP was a greatly decrease in speed, to the point where it was unusable. This isn't the best benchmark using outdated hardware like a P-90, but, it proves my point.
I am happy to stick with Linux
Here is the slashdot article on it.
Sure, I also left out the Univac, Ataris, trash 80s, and the long list of other machines :) I still have my Commodore 64, and use it once in a while. I think its a great toy, and was a powerfull machine for its day.
Times have pasted, I moved to DOS, then to Windows and off to Linux. So, its all good.
And that STILL isn't saying much :)
Along with Windows, OS/2, BeOS, Amiga, Commodore 64, Apple 2e, FreeBSD, ....
:) Anyway, I think DOS has been dead for a very long time. Ever since 98 come along, I knew very few people who even knew what DOS was at that point. DOS was good for the time when I was stupied growing up. Even if there was something else, I might not have installed it. I did however install OS/2 once, which became a nightmare. (This machine was a 286)
:) With that ol' 640k barrier, you had every single company making there own memory management apps. There was one called Quarter deck, wich also dubbed as a crash protection took kit. Which ended up crashing the machine even more then normal.
hehehe, I just had to
The biggest memorys I have back durring those days, was the Wolfenstien days, and doom. I remeber playing over a 14.4k modem against my friend down the street in a death match. Now, I wouldn't even think of doing that, but it was my first multiplayer game.
The way DOS handled things was a pain in the royal ass. Think Linux 2.4 kernel series has VM problems ?
I have been told to get a dual orbiter heatsink / fan. I haven't had a chance to get one yet.
I was just pointing out that all of the newier CPUs made by AMD have thermal problems. ( ~900+ mhz ) I have a Athlon 650 and 800 which have no heat problems what so ever. I have beat the hell out of them on hot summer days, and they where fine. Even if the MB alarms go off, it still keeps going.
My Uncle has a 1000 mhz Athlon, which has no thermal problems. He has brought the load up fairly high, and the chip seems stable.
I know fans make a big difference, this report is based on CPUs without fans. But, if its unstable and has thermal problems with fans under normal conditions, then theres a serious problem.
I have an AMD 1.4GHz in my server, and I noticed when it gets very hot (under the load, and becuase theres no air conditioning in here) the alarm from the motherboard will start beeping and the machine locks. From that point, I shut the machine off and wait about 10 minutes before rebooting it. Since its getting closer to winter, this isn't happening anymore. But, it still worrys me.
I belive what Toms Hardware posted, and the video appears to be very acurate. I just need to watch things better. This doesn't mean I will stop buying AMD. I am a long time supporter of AMD, they, IMO, have the better quality chip over Intel.
chattr +a
Of course, it has 1 big draw back, its not merged with Linus's kernel. That should be happening soon, I hope.
You aren't following phpGroupWare development very well. :) We have been working on client side apps for a few months now, using XML-RPC / SOAP.
Remeber, phpGroupWare is still in beta.
So, if they move over to Linux, they would save about 6 months out of the year. :)
I stand corrected. I have not dealt with banner ads (From setting them up) in over 2 years, so things have changed quite a bit since then.
I wonder if /. is still making money off it even though I have adzap on my proxy. (Its a squid redirector, works pretty damn good)