What argument? What are you going on about? I had a definition, that's basically it.
Your definition was done in 2 sentences. You then built an arguement around that definition against supporting laws based purely on that definition. In case you forgot, let me quote you: "if they make a law against sex trafficking and you cheer for it, and it turns out that you don't want a law against prostitution... well that's at least partly on you."
That is an argument and since it's based on 2 incorrect premises it's wrong.
You want a legal definition? You're not happy with the Oxford Dictionary?
No I don't want the legal definition. I have a legal definition and gave you the actual definition copied verbatim from Title 22 of the US Code which contains the exact definition of sex trafficking as used in all the laws.
I know this must be confusing for you since you've just repeated the same mistake, but "trafficking" and "sex trafficking" (the latter being the only term used in the laws we are talking about) are quite distinct things. Normally I give a free pass since people don't bother reading about laws before they comment but in this case the term "sex trafficking" is in the frigging title of the act that is being talked about.
I have no idea where you got this idea about a "sexual servant" from the Oxford definition... None. I'm stuck there, can't even dispute what you said if I can't understand it.
Let me break it down for you: paying someone for sex: not illegal. Paying someone to obtain a person for you for the purpose of sex is illegal. You want to hold up a general non-legally binding oxford definition, fine, it's 100% consistent with the laws.
I also can't argue with the definition that you give, but... this here: “the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for the purpose of a commercial sex act.” This is prostitution.
I'm not sure what sick world you are in but when I bang prostitutes I go to a brothel give them money and get me rocks off, I don't recruit, harbour, transport, definitely don't provision (that would make me a pimp), and as she leaves when my load is blown, I don't obtain a person either. There is literally not a single part of that definition that means prostitution. Feel free to type each individual item into a legal dictionary.
I don't really know what you mean by "sexual servant." A prostitute is basically a sexual servant.
You're basically a bad person if you think this. Or you don't understand the term servant. Just because you pay someone does not make them a servant.
Most people are confused because they think sex trafficking is the same thing as sexual slavery, this is the mistake that they make.
Yeah I know. Because most people understand that that sex trafficking involves recruiting, harbouring, transportation, provision or obtaining people for the purposes of sex acts, none of which happens normally.
They're confusing sex trafficking and human trafficking. The legal term that they really want is "severe form of trafficking in persons."
They're not confusing them. The overwhelming majority of sex trafficking is done against a person's will. Sex trafficking is a subset of human trafficking.
You make about as much sense as a bag of angry bigots.
I'm neither angry, not bigoted, and if you think I'm against refugees, migrants, or asylum seekers then you need some English classes. But I can see you have nothing more material to say to defend your point of view so I accept your concession.
and in addition I'm running Linux so it can't be linked to Office365
That isn't a justification. Linux has been able to join active directory domains for the best part of 20 years. To be clear there's nothing on my computer that links it to Office365 either. All of that voodoo is done in the back end somewhere on a domain controller.
Mind you you're probably right and there's just something else at play, I'm just pointing out that you can't assume something is unlinked these days simply because you're not actively doing something.
It's not. Even if the rest of your argument even remotely made sense it all just fell apart.
Speaking of the rest of your argument:
If selling sex is illegal, than prostitution is sex trafficking.
You'd be wrong. Trafficking even following the oxford dictionary is not about paying for the service of sex, it's about paying to obtain a sexual servant. Here's the full legal definition since a dictionary won't get you anywhere in a court or parliament:
Sex Trafficking Law and Legal Definition Pursuant to 22 USCS 7102 (9) [Title 22. Foreign Relations and Intercourse; Chapter 78. Trafficking Victims Protection], the term sex trafficking means “the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for the purpose of a commercial sex act.”
people who demand laws without any understanding of what those laws are or what they mean
It would appear the general public is doing much better at this than you.
Split your examples into major services, and small specific services, then compare them to desktop software. I mean properly!
Facebook? Features get added, removed subtle UI changes etc on a monthly basis. Google does so on an event driven basis (Have you been watching the world cup ticker updating live in your google results?) Did you notice the change to maps voice navigation that rolled out last month in how it announces locations? Did you see the added feature that asks you to confirm traffic accidents?
Of course not. You're not paying attention.
Likewise how many value added features were constantly changing on ICQ? What has changed in Skype other than the number of adverts that are shown? Yeah they move the buttons around but features? At the start of this year they added the ability to on the fly switch between multiple cameras. Back in 2015 they added group chat.
If you have small apps, websites, or special purpose programs you don't need new features regardless of the platform. If you have large software or web apps you will get new features regardless of the platform.
It's my workplace email. That's the only bit of Office365 that we use.
Oh. Workplace IT. Say no more:-)
How do you know no other accounts are linked? It's amazing the shear amount of integration MS products have in the workplace. Heck where I work I use the Office365 portal to reset my main domain account and computer password. Incidentally that's also something that is messed up for me. My work Office365 email has a different and completely obsolete and non functional email address. Yet somehow it is still linked to my account and the passwords synced with my PC/domain account. How? No idea, I have often concluded that workplace IT are magical, but not in a magical we make the world better while you sleep kind of way, but rather the magical I'm a street performer, be amazed while I pickpocket you way.
Incidentally that study on harddisks a few years back also got to the number two-thirds. Maybe two-thirds of people don't know basic data security regardless of what they are selling online:-)
Info available is immensely non-useful to anyone else.
Last time I found a memory card the contents were useful enough to directly identify the owner even though it contained nothing but camera snaps. Hell the last 2 times that was true and the second time I found the camera in the bottom of the ocean.
Don't discount what is on your memory card. It's like those people who don't realise that posting a selfi with your plane ticket barcode visible is about all that is needed for someone to come in and cancel your flight on you.
For too long we have been victimized by overly-bright color schemes when we use email. NO MORE!
Our lives can once again be filled with joy instead of bright grays!
Finally we can achieve the dreams of our grandfathers and never again be condemned to suffer dark fonts on light backgrounds.
Snide comment aside one of my favourite features introduced in Office 2010 was the ability to change the theme to give a bit of contrast between the UI and the content. Incidentally MS made this frigging essential when they went with their low contrast "modern" UI garbage where you can no longer tell where your word document ends and the background starts.
Not that I care I read my email using a program. Not a website, or webapp, or an app, but an actual program that comes with an installer... and a dark theme since 2010.
How about not logging me off twice a day (if not more often) on Office365?
Huh? I haven't logged into Office365 in so long that I'm not sure if I could remember my password if I actually needed it. Sounds like some linked accounts in your profile are messed up. I used to have that with my Skype account when MS merged it with the Windows account even though the passwords were different. Suddenly I found myself being asked for the password despite having autologin enabled.
Long story short: Something is broke for you. MS doesn't just randomly log people out.
There is an important take away here. It has taken Microsoft 9 months to get to the point where something trivial that was mostly complete in October of last year is now ready to be announced as still not ready. The amazing thing is that anyone uses their shit products anymore.
I see this as a good sign. Major work on making something available in many colours is a sign of a company that has completely run out of innovation. I actually am quite happy that the "dark theme" is taking so long to take over all of Windows. It shows how little effort they are actually putting into that absurdity.
Now if only they could give the same lack of dedication to other UI elements like Fluent Design which can be summed up with: Same shit, just more runny.
So you're neither extremely red, nor extremely blue and really have no place left in America. Consider joining us in the rest of the world where happy middle-grounds exist.:-)
He's not one of your New Zealand cousins. He's from Germany
And currently under the purview of the New Zealand legal system. If he was only governed by all things German he would never be extradited to the USA for this since Germany constitutionally protects its citizens against this.
Abuse of hospitality is something someone does when they get a benefit from someone else. He's infinitely worse off for being in NZ.
By the way. I am currently in Germany. I fully expect that if I walk down the street making a Nazi salutes at everyone while denying the holocaust happened that I shouldn't be arrested because I'm not German? Are you implying that laws shouldn't apply to foreigners at all, or that only the laws that allow a government to lock someone up, but not the laws that afford any protection should apply?
The US is especially interested in copyright and IP law since it is a strong export of ours.
While true, it has zero to do with this case where the USA is going after extradition solely for fraud, rakateering and money laundering. Naturally you can expect the deal to change once he actually gets on US soil, but the copyright claims are so flakey against him that there is pretty much a zero chance that he would have been extradited on that alone if the USA didn't conjure up some more charges.
Mind you if that's all there is then I'm sure we'd all be okay with it. How does the USA trade agreements suddenly allow mishandling of data, siezing of funds of a foreign national, and generally contempt of a foreign court / political system.
Kim Dotcom is an arse. He probably has it coming. But no one should be defending this process through which he is getting his comeuppance.
This all reminds me how nice it is to have a physical off switch in case any of these things go wrong.
Press and hold the power/start button for 3 seconds and hope it works? A lot can happen in three seconds.
To be clear, you're talking about a system designed with electro/hydraulic assistance to the operator in mind and you want to turn off all these features while it's moving?
There's a lot of things I would try on a car before I turn off power steering and power braking while moving. These aren't like the cars of old. Without these systems it's actually incredibly difficult to control a modern car.
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because recycling the old steel is more profitable
And because it's cheaper to import.
What's killing the coral reefs is all the boat oil, fuel, etc. leakages and exhaust venting into the ocean.
I know. Guns don't kill people. Car accidents, and smoking kills people. It's absurd to think there could be anything else contributing to death.
What argument? What are you going on about? I had a definition, that's basically it.
Your definition was done in 2 sentences. You then built an arguement around that definition against supporting laws based purely on that definition. In case you forgot, let me quote you: "if they make a law against sex trafficking and you cheer for it, and it turns out that you don't want a law against prostitution... well that's at least partly on you."
That is an argument and since it's based on 2 incorrect premises it's wrong.
You want a legal definition? You're not happy with the Oxford Dictionary?
No I don't want the legal definition. I have a legal definition and gave you the actual definition copied verbatim from Title 22 of the US Code which contains the exact definition of sex trafficking as used in all the laws.
I know this must be confusing for you since you've just repeated the same mistake, but "trafficking" and "sex trafficking" (the latter being the only term used in the laws we are talking about) are quite distinct things. Normally I give a free pass since people don't bother reading about laws before they comment but in this case the term "sex trafficking" is in the frigging title of the act that is being talked about.
I have no idea where you got this idea about a "sexual servant" from the Oxford definition... None. I'm stuck there, can't even dispute what you said if I can't understand it.
Let me break it down for you: paying someone for sex: not illegal. Paying someone to obtain a person for you for the purpose of sex is illegal. You want to hold up a general non-legally binding oxford definition, fine, it's 100% consistent with the laws.
I also can't argue with the definition that you give, but... this here: “the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for the purpose of a commercial sex act.” This is prostitution.
I'm not sure what sick world you are in but when I bang prostitutes I go to a brothel give them money and get me rocks off, I don't recruit, harbour, transport, definitely don't provision (that would make me a pimp), and as she leaves when my load is blown, I don't obtain a person either. There is literally not a single part of that definition that means prostitution. Feel free to type each individual item into a legal dictionary.
I don't really know what you mean by "sexual servant." A prostitute is basically a sexual servant.
You're basically a bad person if you think this. Or you don't understand the term servant. Just because you pay someone does not make them a servant.
Most people are confused because they think sex trafficking is the same thing as sexual slavery, this is the mistake that they make.
Yeah I know. Because most people understand that that sex trafficking involves recruiting, harbouring, transportation, provision or obtaining people for the purposes of sex acts, none of which happens normally.
They're confusing sex trafficking and human trafficking. The legal term that they really want is "severe form of trafficking in persons."
They're not confusing them. The overwhelming majority of sex trafficking is done against a person's will. Sex trafficking is a subset of human trafficking.
You make about as much sense as a bag of angry bigots.
I'm neither angry, not bigoted, and if you think I'm against refugees, migrants, or asylum seekers then you need some English classes.
But I can see you have nothing more material to say to defend your point of view so I accept your concession.
and in addition I'm running Linux so it can't be linked to Office365
That isn't a justification. Linux has been able to join active directory domains for the best part of 20 years. To be clear there's nothing on my computer that links it to Office365 either. All of that voodoo is done in the back end somewhere on a domain controller.
Mind you you're probably right and there's just something else at play, I'm just pointing out that you can't assume something is unlinked these days simply because you're not actively doing something.
If selling sex is illegal
It's not. Even if the rest of your argument even remotely made sense it all just fell apart.
Speaking of the rest of your argument:
If selling sex is illegal, than prostitution is sex trafficking.
You'd be wrong. Trafficking even following the oxford dictionary is not about paying for the service of sex, it's about paying to obtain a sexual servant. Here's the full legal definition since a dictionary won't get you anywhere in a court or parliament:
Sex Trafficking Law and Legal Definition
Pursuant to 22 USCS 7102 (9) [Title 22. Foreign Relations and Intercourse; Chapter 78. Trafficking Victims Protection], the term sex trafficking means “the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for the purpose of a commercial sex act.”
people who demand laws without any understanding of what those laws are or what they mean
It would appear the general public is doing much better at this than you.
... will the MPs get their sex?
They are politicians. They screw the entire population. That should be more than enough for anyone.
Split your examples into major services, and small specific services, then compare them to desktop software. I mean properly!
Facebook? Features get added, removed subtle UI changes etc on a monthly basis. Google does so on an event driven basis (Have you been watching the world cup ticker updating live in your google results?) Did you notice the change to maps voice navigation that rolled out last month in how it announces locations? Did you see the added feature that asks you to confirm traffic accidents?
Of course not. You're not paying attention.
Likewise how many value added features were constantly changing on ICQ? What has changed in Skype other than the number of adverts that are shown? Yeah they move the buttons around but features? At the start of this year they added the ability to on the fly switch between multiple cameras. Back in 2015 they added group chat.
If you have small apps, websites, or special purpose programs you don't need new features regardless of the platform.
If you have large software or web apps you will get new features regardless of the platform.
Pay attention.
So, what are YOU going to do NOW?
Post this. Close the tab. Read the next Slashdot Tab about Intel 5G Modems to see if there's anything other than crazy rants there.
but in the US I'd much rather hear about their plans to deal with the next economic downturn.
Profit or get bailed out.
Okay let's go back to the technical question. I think it has more meat in it.
People with leukemia tend to congregate in certain areas ... like hospital wards. Maybe you should visit one.
It's my workplace email. That's the only bit of Office365 that we use.
Oh. Workplace IT. Say no more :-)
How do you know no other accounts are linked? It's amazing the shear amount of integration MS products have in the workplace. Heck where I work I use the Office365 portal to reset my main domain account and computer password.
Incidentally that's also something that is messed up for me. My work Office365 email has a different and completely obsolete and non functional email address. Yet somehow it is still linked to my account and the passwords synced with my PC/domain account. How? No idea, I have often concluded that workplace IT are magical, but not in a magical we make the world better while you sleep kind of way, but rather the magical I'm a street performer, be amazed while I pickpocket you way.
They should do separate analysis of solid state drives and magnetic drives as well to see if they suffer from the same issue.
Why? That is what I would call: settled science
Incidentally that study on harddisks a few years back also got to the number two-thirds. Maybe two-thirds of people don't know basic data security regardless of what they are selling online :-)
Info available is immensely non-useful to anyone else.
Last time I found a memory card the contents were useful enough to directly identify the owner even though it contained nothing but camera snaps. Hell the last 2 times that was true and the second time I found the camera in the bottom of the ocean.
Don't discount what is on your memory card. It's like those people who don't realise that posting a selfi with your plane ticket barcode visible is about all that is needed for someone to come in and cancel your flight on you.
For too long we have been victimized by overly-bright color schemes when we use email. NO MORE!
Our lives can once again be filled with joy instead of bright grays!
Finally we can achieve the dreams of our grandfathers and never again be condemned to suffer dark fonts on light backgrounds.
Snide comment aside one of my favourite features introduced in Office 2010 was the ability to change the theme to give a bit of contrast between the UI and the content. Incidentally MS made this frigging essential when they went with their low contrast "modern" UI garbage where you can no longer tell where your word document ends and the background starts.
Not that I care I read my email using a program. Not a website, or webapp, or an app, but an actual program that comes with an installer... and a dark theme since 2010.
How about not logging me off twice a day (if not more often) on Office365?
Huh? I haven't logged into Office365 in so long that I'm not sure if I could remember my password if I actually needed it. Sounds like some linked accounts in your profile are messed up. I used to have that with my Skype account when MS merged it with the Windows account even though the passwords were different. Suddenly I found myself being asked for the password despite having autologin enabled.
Long story short: Something is broke for you. MS doesn't just randomly log people out.
There is an important take away here. It has taken Microsoft 9 months to get to the point where something trivial that was mostly complete in October of last year is now ready to be announced as still not ready. The amazing thing is that anyone uses their shit products anymore.
I see this as a good sign. Major work on making something available in many colours is a sign of a company that has completely run out of innovation. I actually am quite happy that the "dark theme" is taking so long to take over all of Windows. It shows how little effort they are actually putting into that absurdity.
Now if only they could give the same lack of dedication to other UI elements like Fluent Design which can be summed up with: Same shit, just more runny.
So you're neither extremely red, nor extremely blue and really have no place left in America. Consider joining us in the rest of the world where happy middle-grounds exist. :-)
Why is the government getting directly involved with specific businesses?
China!
causing a reduction in brain damage and
Given what we're seeing in the White House right now [citation needed]
You're just mad because you want to see America fail.
No, we're sad because for the first time it actually looks like a possibility.
He's not one of your New Zealand cousins. He's from Germany
And currently under the purview of the New Zealand legal system. If he was only governed by all things German he would never be extradited to the USA for this since Germany constitutionally protects its citizens against this.
Abuse of hospitality is something someone does when they get a benefit from someone else. He's infinitely worse off for being in NZ.
By the way. I am currently in Germany. I fully expect that if I walk down the street making a Nazi salutes at everyone while denying the holocaust happened that I shouldn't be arrested because I'm not German? Are you implying that laws shouldn't apply to foreigners at all, or that only the laws that allow a government to lock someone up, but not the laws that afford any protection should apply?
The US is especially interested in copyright and IP law since it is a strong export of ours.
While true, it has zero to do with this case where the USA is going after extradition solely for fraud, rakateering and money laundering.
Naturally you can expect the deal to change once he actually gets on US soil, but the copyright claims are so flakey against him that there is pretty much a zero chance that he would have been extradited on that alone if the USA didn't conjure up some more charges.
Mind you if that's all there is then I'm sure we'd all be okay with it. How does the USA trade agreements suddenly allow mishandling of data, siezing of funds of a foreign national, and generally contempt of a foreign court / political system.
Kim Dotcom is an arse. He probably has it coming. But no one should be defending this process through which he is getting his comeuppance.
Can someone fix the spelling for Ariel?
It's Aerial.
No it was spelt rite the first time. The QANTAS logo may look like a kangaroo to the untrained eye, but really it's more of a mermaid.
This all reminds me how nice it is to have a physical off switch in case any of these things go wrong.
Press and hold the power/start button for 3 seconds and hope it works? A lot can happen in three seconds.
To be clear, you're talking about a system designed with electro/hydraulic assistance to the operator in mind and you want to turn off all these features while it's moving?
There's a lot of things I would try on a car before I turn off power steering and power braking while moving. These aren't like the cars of old. Without these systems it's actually incredibly difficult to control a modern car.