I'd prefer to think along the lines of "why you can't get anybody at Apple to care." It doesn't affect Macs, after all.
So would you say that the majority of iPod sales are for Mac users? That the amount of iPods sold to be used on Windows represents such an insignificant amount of income to Apple that they don't care?
There may come a time (as my personal experience suggests) in the future of your life when you come to realize that the majority of those women were:
1. Not particularly intelligent. 2. Not particularly deep. 3. Highly prone to being destructive basket cases.
Fall in love with them at your own risk. They can be some of the pettiest and most vindictive bitches on planet Earth. And the ones that really are smart, deep and good artists tend to implode in some combination of insanity, drug/alcohol addiction, sex addiction/fetishism etc. with the occasional suicide attempt thrown in (not fun when they succeed). It's exciting when you're young and can keep up but later on you might rethink what you want in a mate.
I thought the Apple ad was HILARIOUS when it came out. The whole world is totally gray, with poor pale people in gray suits watching their leader on the black and white screen. All of a sudden a burst of color! Here comes Apple chick in hot pants to save the day! The funny part was that this ad was used to sell the launch of the Macintosh computer. A computer that at launch was strictly monochromatic. The Apple 2 was more literally a more colorful computer than Mac. I thought the early Macs were neat except for the tiny, monochromatic screen. When color Macs launched in 1987 you were looking at prices upwards of $5,000 to get one. I ended up getting an Amiga 500 for $1000 with color monitor and expanded memory.
"Yeah, they had a ton of celebrity endorsements for the Amiga back in the day..."
Well by the time Little Richard and the Pointer Sisters got involved it was more like celebrity whore endorsements. I doubt Little Richard ever used an Amiga.
The launch with Andy Warhol creating a portrait of Debbie Harry using a digitizer and an early Amiga art program was pure class though.
I remember being pissed at Commodore for the crap marketing they did on the Amiga in the late '80s. The premium edition of Amiga Forever includes a DVD with a video of Jay Miner (after he left Commodore) at a user group fielding questions about how crap those commercials were. Well worth the money for old Commodore junkies, it includes the "Death Bed Vigil" video of the last day at Commodore US.
"Also, one other point: if you're jumping through all of these hoops to justify running Mac OS X without "pirating" it"
Arrrrrrrrrrrr! If yer going ta go through the trouble o running it illegally, yar might as well be a pirate when ya do it. Helps to stop the global warming!
So, by that logic, you should be able to buy one copy of anything, and run it on an unlimited number of machines, correct?
A lot of people do feel that way. Or rather they don't care or consider it a "moral" decision. They don't really understand software law, they sure as hell don't read the shrinkwrap or clickwrapped software license. With OSX nothing stops you from installing it on every Mac on planet Earth. OSX upgrades get pirated a lot - as far as I can tell there isn't any difference between the "family pack" and the single user copy except the price and the packaging. Do you think Apple really cares all that much if someone installs their family pack on 6 computers instead of 5? I don't think they do. They make the majority of the their profit off of hardware (the iPod more than anything) and are willing to release OSX updates in a non-serialized, non-copy protected state because it isn't worth annoying their user base (and most likely increase their support calls). Contrast this from Microsoft which makes their profit off of their software (serial numbers, activation, Windows genuine advantage, 7 different versions of Vista each more expensive). We buy our OSX upgrades for our office computers but do you think Steve Jobs loses sleep because someone borrowed a Tiger install disk to use on their home iMac?
"I think about as much say as the BSD folks claim. Or that the GPL folks do, for that matter."
I hate to support the Apple ranting guy BUT you are missing the point. People who release code under the BSD or GPL licenses give up certain rights deliberately. They could have released it as proprietary code initially but they CHOSE to release it licensed as GPL or BSD. Anyone who willfully releases code under the BSD license and then bitches about it's usage (lawful per the text of the license) is a moron. If you want your code to not be used in that manner you don't release it under the BSD license. People do release code under the BSD license to allow it's usage in proprietary systems. They don't want their own usage of the code to be limited by the terms of something like the GPL.
2 processors 2 hard drives 2 sets of memory 2 motherboard chipsets 2 video cards 2 bioses etc.
A physical switch that toggled between them. Basically two computers with a hardware toggle between them (just like an integrated KVM).
Now why can't you do it with one set? Because at some point something has to arbitrate between what gets access to the hardware at what time. And this is where virtualization comes in. Virtualization technology such as VMWare ESX server provides a small footprint custom OS that serves the purpose of arbitrater for access to the hardware between the different virtual machines. It's just there to run virtual machines and make sure that they don't fight over hardware resources. This approach is much faster than booting Windows and running a virtual machine on top of that OS. Performance is much better. I believe Xen works in a similar manner. CPUs from Intel and AMD are starting to support virtualization inherently (to various degrees) making it a more practical solution in the x86 world. This is actually old tech idea from mainframes finally becoming practical on commodity PC parts. I would suggest reading up on hypervisors for more information on how this works. Basically a hypervisor is a lightweight broker for system resources that sits between the multiple running operating systems and the underlying hardware. Without a broker like this the only option for your two operating system on one computer would be essentially two computers with a hardware toggle in one box. It just wouldn't work any other way barring some highly weird custom hardware that doesn't exist.
"He's probably thinking of Rosetta and/or X11, or before that Classic for running Mac OS 9 and earlier apps under Mac OS X."
None of which represent running "2 OSs at the same time without virtualization".
Rosetta: a PowerPC emulation layer for running PowerPC binaries on Intel. I don't know the details but I would assume that system calls to Mac OS X APIs are presented to the native Intel OS X components - so the whole thing isn't exactly running in the emulation layer. The OS components being called by the software are running native on Intel.
X11: A window manager for UNIX. X11 apps running on Mac OS X are still binaries built to run on OS X. The Window manager just handles displaying the GUI elements. This is not running a different OS.
Classic mode: A form of virtualization. It booted OS 9 in a seperate process under OS X. Similar to how VMWare or Virtual PC work. Probably a bit better in terms of hardware support, because Apple had fixed targets for possible hardware on Apple computers, rather than VMWare which for some devices (video cards) only offers basic support.
The top of the line iMac comes with a 7300GT Nvidia card. You can up it to a mid range 7600GT card at most. Now with Windows installed, do you think that the 7600GT would drive the 24" monitor as well as oh say a dual 7900GT SLI setup? Oh, get a Mac Pro you say. Well except that you still have no SLI or Crossfire support and extremely limited choices of video cards. And it costs an arm and a leg. Sure it's cheap for a dual Xeon workstation - but if you just want to play games you are better off with a slower CPU and a top of the line graphics card setup. Oh and the FB-DIMMs in the Mac Pro severly impact gaming performance. Check out the gaming benchmarks and you'll see that the Mac Pro comes in last in every one. The 3GHz Xeon (both dual and quad) gets beat out by a Core 2 Duo running at 2.66GHz. Mac hardware is absolutely NOT the superior choice when it comes to high end game playing. I use and like Mac OSX but one thing I dislike about the platform is the lack of hardware choice. That's the reason why you can build a PC for gaming that will be higher performing than a Mac and will cost less.
Reread what I said - I didn't specify what parable from the Koran. I am aware that old testament material is in the Koran but consider something like what happened to Abraham's wife. Or the relevance of Isaac and Ishmael. The books differ considerably.
Well now that was the poorest troll I've seen in a long time.
My job wasn't to translate. I produced translated websites and printed documents. The company I worked for was sort of a translation broker. We worked with in country translators across the globe. People who have never worked in the industry seem to think it should be simple - it isn't. Consider some of the complications:
1. Regional dialects - i.e. Canadian French is not identical to what is spoken in France. Same with English in the US vs. UK. 2. Language specific to a certain domain, such as medical, technical or legal. 3. Slang meanings 4. Humor/sarcasm 5. Analogies and metaphors
Consider a reference to Bible parable (say Noah and the Ark) sure most people in the US would understand it - but would you understand the relevance of a reference to a parable from the Koran? We frequently had professional translators arguing amongst themselves as to the proper wording to use.
I used to work for a translation company and I've seen how much confusion can arise from even human translation, it makes me wonder really how prone to error this will be.
Once it's decrypted it will spread through the regular routes. Bootleg discs in a lot of countries and sold on Ebay. Then up on to the net via ftp, irc, torrents and usenet. Then from person to person via disc burning. My neighbor is a computer illiterate school janitor. He has told me that he has never been on the Internet and never wants to use it. He does however have a huge stack of pirated DVDs many of which are things like pre-release screeners or camera recorded versions. He has a friend that burns them for him. Eventually it does filter down to the masses.
Reiser said Sturgeon "worked with my wife Nina Reiser and eventually drugged her with ecstasy and seduced her."
Reiser alleged, "He then engaged in Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism techniques and continued to redrug her repeatedly over time."
In addition, Reiser alleged that Sturgeon wrote into a contract that Reiser must participate in "Death Yoga," which he said has the purpose of "slowing down one's heart to the point of death."
Well, yes actually the fact is that because Apple doesn't sell anything resembling a standard low or mid range desktop Mac, you can't get one that has an upgradeable video card. I think it does translate into at least "there is no low or mid range upgradeable Mac".
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So why doesn't Apple make require it's contractors to use all Macintosh computers for the assembly line?
Talk the talk, walk the walk.
I'd prefer to think along the lines of "why you can't get anybody at Apple to care." It doesn't affect Macs, after all.
So would you say that the majority of iPod sales are for Mac users? That the amount of iPods sold to be used on Windows represents such an insignificant amount of income to Apple that they don't care?
There may come a time (as my personal experience suggests) in the future of your life when you come to realize that the majority of those women were:
1. Not particularly intelligent.
2. Not particularly deep.
3. Highly prone to being destructive basket cases.
Fall in love with them at your own risk. They can be some of the pettiest and most vindictive bitches on planet Earth.
And the ones that really are smart, deep and good artists tend to implode in some combination of insanity, drug/alcohol addiction, sex addiction/fetishism etc. with the occasional suicide attempt thrown in (not fun when they succeed).
It's exciting when you're young and can keep up but later on you might rethink what you want in a mate.
I thought the Apple ad was HILARIOUS when it came out. The whole world is totally gray, with poor pale people in gray suits watching their leader on the black and white screen. All of a sudden a burst of color! Here comes Apple chick in hot pants to save the day!
The funny part was that this ad was used to sell the launch of the Macintosh computer. A computer that at launch was strictly monochromatic.
The Apple 2 was more literally a more colorful computer than Mac.
I thought the early Macs were neat except for the tiny, monochromatic screen. When color Macs launched in 1987 you were looking at prices upwards of $5,000 to get one. I ended up getting an Amiga 500 for $1000 with color monitor and expanded memory.
"Yeah, they had a ton of celebrity endorsements for the Amiga back in the day..."
Well by the time Little Richard and the Pointer Sisters got involved it was more like celebrity whore endorsements. I doubt Little Richard ever used an Amiga.
The launch with Andy Warhol creating a portrait of Debbie Harry using a digitizer and an early Amiga art program was pure class though.
I remember being pissed at Commodore for the crap marketing they did on the Amiga in the late '80s. The premium edition of Amiga Forever includes a DVD with a video of Jay Miner (after he left Commodore) at a user group fielding questions about how crap those commercials were. Well worth the money for old Commodore junkies, it includes the "Death Bed Vigil" video of the last day at Commodore US.
"Also, one other point: if you're jumping through all of these hoops to justify running Mac OS X without "pirating" it"
Arrrrrrrrrrrr! If yer going ta go through the trouble o running it illegally, yar might as well be a pirate when ya do it.
Helps to stop the global warming!
So, by that logic, you should be able to buy one copy of anything, and run it on an unlimited number of machines, correct?
A lot of people do feel that way. Or rather they don't care or consider it a "moral" decision. They don't really understand software law, they sure as hell don't read the shrinkwrap or clickwrapped software license.
With OSX nothing stops you from installing it on every Mac on planet Earth. OSX upgrades get pirated a lot - as far as I can tell there isn't any difference between the "family pack" and the single user copy except the price and the packaging.
Do you think Apple really cares all that much if someone installs their family pack on 6 computers instead of 5? I don't think they do. They make the majority of the their profit off of hardware (the iPod more than anything) and are willing to release OSX updates in a non-serialized, non-copy protected state because it isn't worth annoying their user base (and most likely increase their support calls). Contrast this from Microsoft which makes their profit off of their software (serial numbers, activation, Windows genuine advantage, 7 different versions of Vista each more expensive).
We buy our OSX upgrades for our office computers but do you think Steve Jobs loses sleep because someone borrowed a Tiger install disk to use on their home iMac?
Wouldn't you need driver software to make the touch sensitivity work properly under OSX?
"I think about as much say as the BSD folks claim. Or that the GPL folks do, for that matter."
I hate to support the Apple ranting guy BUT you are missing the point. People who release code under the BSD or GPL licenses give up certain rights deliberately. They could have released it as proprietary code initially but they CHOSE to release it licensed as GPL or BSD. Anyone who willfully releases code under the BSD license and then bitches about it's usage (lawful per the text of the license) is a moron. If you want your code to not be used in that manner you don't release it under the BSD license.
People do release code under the BSD license to allow it's usage in proprietary systems. They don't want their own usage of the code to be limited by the terms of something like the GPL.
Yes you could do it. You would need:
2 processors
2 hard drives
2 sets of memory
2 motherboard chipsets
2 video cards
2 bioses
etc.
A physical switch that toggled between them. Basically two computers with a hardware toggle between them (just like an integrated KVM).
Now why can't you do it with one set? Because at some point something has to arbitrate between what gets access to the hardware at what time. And this is where virtualization comes in. Virtualization technology such as VMWare ESX server provides a small footprint custom OS that serves the purpose of arbitrater for access to the hardware between the different virtual machines. It's just there to run virtual machines and make sure that they don't fight over hardware resources. This approach is much faster than booting Windows and running a virtual machine on top of that OS. Performance is much better. I believe Xen works in a similar manner. CPUs from Intel and AMD are starting to support virtualization inherently (to various degrees) making it a more practical solution in the x86 world.
This is actually old tech idea from mainframes finally becoming practical on commodity PC parts. I would suggest reading up on hypervisors for more information on how this works. Basically a hypervisor is a lightweight broker for system resources that sits between the multiple running operating systems and the underlying hardware. Without a broker like this the only option for your two operating system on one computer would be essentially two computers with a hardware toggle in one box. It just wouldn't work any other way barring some highly weird custom hardware that doesn't exist.
"He's probably thinking of Rosetta and/or X11, or before that Classic for running Mac OS 9 and earlier apps under Mac OS X."
None of which represent running "2 OSs at the same time without virtualization".
Rosetta: a PowerPC emulation layer for running PowerPC binaries on Intel. I don't know the details but I would assume that system calls to Mac OS X APIs are presented to the native Intel OS X components - so the whole thing isn't exactly running in the emulation layer. The OS components being called by the software are running native on Intel.
X11: A window manager for UNIX. X11 apps running on Mac OS X are still binaries built to run on OS X. The Window manager just handles displaying the GUI elements. This is not running a different OS.
Classic mode: A form of virtualization. It booted OS 9 in a seperate process under OS X. Similar to how VMWare or Virtual PC work. Probably a bit better in terms of hardware support, because Apple had fixed targets for possible hardware on Apple computers, rather than VMWare which for some devices (video cards) only offers basic support.
This isn't the US. It's Japan, you know, home of the penis festival.
"have received wooden pail communication"
Hmmmm and I was led to believe that Japan was high tech. Or is there something highly advanced about these wooden pails they use for communication.
So since we are talking games...
The top of the line iMac comes with a 7300GT Nvidia card. You can up it to a mid range 7600GT card at most. Now with Windows installed, do you think that the 7600GT would drive the 24" monitor as well as oh say a dual 7900GT SLI setup?
Oh, get a Mac Pro you say. Well except that you still have no SLI or Crossfire support and extremely limited choices of video cards. And it costs an arm and a leg. Sure it's cheap for a dual Xeon workstation - but if you just want to play games you are better off with a slower CPU and a top of the line graphics card setup.
Oh and the FB-DIMMs in the Mac Pro severly impact gaming performance. Check out the gaming benchmarks and you'll see that the Mac Pro comes in last in every one. The 3GHz Xeon (both dual and quad) gets beat out by a Core 2 Duo running at 2.66GHz.
Mac hardware is absolutely NOT the superior choice when it comes to high end game playing.
I use and like Mac OSX but one thing I dislike about the platform is the lack of hardware choice. That's the reason why you can build a PC for gaming that will be higher performing than a Mac and will cost less.
we have 9 people in our IT unit and only one divorce (and I think it was HER career that caused the problem there, not his)
Never marry a stripper.
Reread what I said - I didn't specify what parable from the Koran. I am aware that old testament material is in the Koran but consider something like what happened to Abraham's wife. Or the relevance of Isaac and Ishmael. The books differ considerably.
Well now that was the poorest troll I've seen in a long time.
My job wasn't to translate. I produced translated websites and printed documents. The company I worked for was sort of a translation broker. We worked with in country translators across the globe. People who have never worked in the industry seem to think it should be simple - it isn't. Consider some of the complications:
1. Regional dialects - i.e. Canadian French is not identical to what is spoken in France. Same with English in the US vs. UK.
2. Language specific to a certain domain, such as medical, technical or legal.
3. Slang meanings
4. Humor/sarcasm
5. Analogies and metaphors
Consider a reference to Bible parable (say Noah and the Ark) sure most people in the US would understand it - but would you understand the relevance of a reference to a parable from the Koran?
We frequently had professional translators arguing amongst themselves as to the proper wording to use.
My hovercraft is full of eels.
I used to work for a translation company and I've seen how much confusion can arise from even human translation, it makes me wonder really how prone to error this will be.
In French the word "pipe" is slang for blowjob.
1337: def evil(self,user,anon=0):
Good always loses because evil is 1337!
Any idea which one? Is it:
browser.cache.memory.enable?
Bork! Bork! Bork!
Once it's decrypted it will spread through the regular routes. Bootleg discs in a lot of countries and sold on Ebay. Then up on to the net via ftp, irc, torrents and usenet. Then from person to person via disc burning.
My neighbor is a computer illiterate school janitor. He has told me that he has never been on the Internet and never wants to use it. He does however have a huge stack of pirated DVDs many of which are things like pre-release screeners or camera recorded versions. He has a friend that burns them for him. Eventually it does filter down to the masses.
Reiser said Sturgeon "worked with my wife Nina Reiser and eventually drugged her with ecstasy and seduced her."
Reiser alleged, "He then engaged in Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism techniques and continued to redrug her repeatedly over time."
In addition, Reiser alleged that Sturgeon wrote into a contract that Reiser must participate in "Death Yoga," which he said has the purpose of "slowing down one's heart to the point of death."
Ok, this case is just plain whacky.
Well, yes actually the fact is that because Apple doesn't sell anything resembling a standard low or mid range desktop Mac, you can't get one that has an upgradeable video card.
I think it does translate into at least "there is no low or mid range upgradeable Mac".
"As for the hardware being proprietary, what exactly can't you upgrade on a Mac these days that you can on a PC?"
With the exception of the Mac Pro (way out of most people's price range) - the video card.