If you use linux because you don't like msft, then you might want to stay away from sunw as well.
Sunw's involvement with scox has has been absolutely disgraceful. Not only has sunw been funding scox's attack on OSS, but McNealy has taken every oppertunity to squeal his silly lies about sunw having the only legal version of linux. Often, McNealy parrots McBride (scox's ceo) word for word.
I used to like sunw, but not anymore. There are plenty of other versions of linux available.
>>SCO, however, believes that it is "the majority owner of Unix intellectual property" and "has full rights to license this technology, and enforce the associated patents and copyrights." It licensed one of those patents to Microsoft earlier this year, though it refused to mention which one.
I would be interested to know where you got those quotes. Also, scox absolutely did *not* license a patent to msft earlier this year, nor did scox make such a claim. Please do not confuse what moron pop-media "jornalists" print with what scox actually claims.
I have corrected those jornalists several times, and have had their articles edited.
WTF? Either you completely missed my point, or I am completely missing yours - or both.
>>Patent violation in this (weird) country applies even if there was a good-faith effort to avoid such tussles. . . If SCO had any evidence, and Google was found to be in violation
WTF? Patents? Scox doesn't own any patents. Even if scox did, google would not be violating those patents by simply using linux.
Maybe you don't understand. Doing something "in good faith" of itself, may not be a defense to anything.
But, buying linux in good faith, is like buying a book in good faith. If the book contains plagerized matterial, it's not your fault, and you had no way of knowing. You have done nothing wrong. The guy who wrote the book, and plagerized the matterial may be in trouble - but not you.
When you download copyrighted music from the internet using kazaa, you are not acting in good faith - you know that music is there illegally. Even though you didn't put it there, you are partially guilty.
Linux end users need to understand that *they* can not be sued. Forget the ibm v scox case - that is a case between ibm and scox.
The idea that scox can sue linux end users is completely absurd - even if ibm did break some contract, even if there is illegal code in linux.
Companies and individuals that buy linux in good faith, have done nothing wrong. They have not violated any copyright - and certainly they have not violated any patent, trademark, or trade secret. Therefore, scox has absolutely no grounds to sue linux end users. I don't care if ibm broke one hundred contracts with scox. That is the message that the needs to get to the linux end users.
I keep everything in an unfished basement, so it doesn't matter so much.
I use those office-boxes that you get at office depot in six packs for four dollars. They are cheap uniform, and I can write on the white surface of the box.
I use smaller boxes for the smaller stuff and put them all on a shelf.
A good stock scam trumps facts and logic everytime.
Of course, it's just a stock scam. Scox is making this stuff up as they go along. And why not? It works, it works like all hell.
Only one person from the Enron scandle was sentanced to do any time. And Enron hurt a lot more people than scox.
The SEC, FTC, DOJ, or any Attorney General could shut scox down in a heart-beat. Just like Germany did, Germany put an end to scox's scam over there months ago. But the US justice system would rather look the other way while scox insiders laugh at them. Scox insiders are laughing all the way to the bank. And there is nothing the US justice system will do.
The article is not saying that all pilots are overpaid. Rather, that *major* airline are paid significantly more that other pilots for essentially the job. Same training, same experience, same hours, same work; but the *major* airline pilots are paid 40% more.
This is brilliant plan, and it is working like a charm for msft/sunw/scox/canopy.
Obviously this whole scam is just a plan for Canopy to back out of a bad investment. Along the way, msft and sunw get to beat up the competition for a very cheap price.
Scox is not doing anything crazy at all. Scox was a doomed company before any this started: selling under $1 a share, gushing red ink, never a profitable quarter, no competitive products, in eminate danger of being delisted, etc.
Now scox have pumped the share price 1300%. Insiders are bailing at hugely inflated price. Before this started scox didn't have $5 million in assets, now scox just got $50 million in exchange for freshly minted shares of their worthless stock.
Scox insiders are raking in untold millions, and you think these guys are dumb?
Yarro, the CEO of Canopy, sits on trolltech's BOD. Trolltech owns 1.5% of scox, and trolltech refuses to divest themselves of that chunk.
Trolltech publicly states that they disaprove of scox's actions, but privately, trolltech owns about 200K shares of scox which trolltech will not sell. Trolltech also wants Yarro on the BOD, and trolltech wants Canopy's investment in trolltech.
1) BayStar loans Scox $50 million. 2) In return, scox owes baystar $50 million worth scox stock. NOTE: the 2.9 million shares is just an estimate based on scox's share price over the last 5 days. If scox share price falls to $8.50/share; then scox will owe baystar almost 6 million shares. Scox has about 13 million shares outstanding now - that means *huge* dilution. 3) baystar takes a huge short position in scox. 4) Since scox now has a cash position of $61 million, scox is now worth suing. Scox is already being sued by about six different companies, expect more to pile on. 5) Death spiral.
Nearly industructable. It just keep working. I can buy new cartridges for $25, and those things last forever. In terms of economy and reliabitly, it's far supperior to those inkjets.
I have read that the LJ-II and the LJ-III, were big mistakes for HP, because they last too long.
>>Either a lot of people REALLY believe SCO is going to produce a lot of money in the future, or they believe someone is going to buy them out.
Or the air hasn't been let out of the tech bubble. Check the valuations on AMZN or YHOO. The market still hasn't learned it's lesson. They may be good companies, but there is no way those companies can grow fast enough to justify their insane valuations. The market is still very much in love with over-valued tech.
Hate to break it to you, but more often than not scox goes up on bad news. Remember SCOForum, when scox showed the code, and it was debunked within an hour? Scox share price went up 50%, to about $15/share, in the next trhee sessions. Then the share price went up another 50% to about $20/share in the two weeks or so.
Management Effectiveness Return on Assets (ttm): -23.85% Return on Equity (ttm): -42.61%
2) Consider the competition. NUMA, RCU, and JFS, for Linux just came out within the last year. Also within the last year: 64-bit processors from AMD, Intel, and Mototola. The competition is catching up fast, and not just on the low end.
"SCO's references to XFS are completely misplaced. XFS is an innovative SGI- created work. It is not a derivative work of System V in any sense, and SGI has full rights to license it to whomever we choose and to contribute it to open source. It may be that SCO is taking the position that merely because XFS is also distributed along with IRIX it is somehow subject to the System V license. But if so, this is an absurd position, with no basis either in the license or in common sense. In fact, our UNIX license clearly provides that SGI retains ownership and all rights as to all code that was not part of AT&Ts UNIX System V."
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If you use linux because you don't like msft, then you might want to stay away from sunw as well.
Sunw's involvement with scox has has been absolutely disgraceful. Not only has sunw been funding scox's attack on OSS, but McNealy has taken every oppertunity to squeal his silly lies about sunw having the only legal version of linux. Often, McNealy parrots McBride (scox's ceo) word for word.
I used to like sunw, but not anymore. There are plenty of other versions of linux available.
>>SCO, however, believes that it is "the majority owner of Unix intellectual property" and "has full rights to license this technology, and enforce the associated patents and copyrights." It licensed one of those patents to Microsoft earlier this year, though it refused to mention which one.
I would be interested to know where you got those quotes. Also, scox absolutely did *not* license a patent to msft earlier this year, nor did scox make such a claim. Please do not confuse what moron pop-media "jornalists" print with what scox actually claims.
I have corrected those jornalists several times, and have had their articles edited.
>>SCO has been claiming patent violations, and as such can cause legal problems for end-users.
Scox has not claimed patent violations. Scox lawsuit against ibm is about trade secrets.
Also, if something is patented, it can not be a trade secret. Patens are open for anybody to see.
WTF? Either you completely missed my point, or I am completely missing yours - or both.
>>Patent violation in this (weird) country applies even if there was a good-faith effort to avoid such tussles. . . If SCO had any evidence, and Google was found to be in violation
WTF? Patents? Scox doesn't own any patents. Even if scox did, google would not be violating those patents by simply using linux.
Maybe you don't understand. Doing something "in good faith" of itself, may not be a defense to anything.
But, buying linux in good faith, is like buying a book in good faith. If the book contains plagerized matterial, it's not your fault, and you had no way of knowing. You have done nothing wrong. The guy who wrote the book, and plagerized the matterial may be in trouble - but not you.
When you download copyrighted music from the internet using kazaa, you are not acting in good faith - you know that music is there illegally. Even though you didn't put it there, you are partially guilty.
Hope that clears it up.
Linux end users need to understand that *they* can not be sued. Forget the ibm v scox case - that is a case between ibm and scox.
The idea that scox can sue linux end users is completely absurd - even if ibm did break some contract, even if there is illegal code in linux.
Companies and individuals that buy linux in good faith, have done nothing wrong. They have not violated any copyright - and certainly they have not violated any patent, trademark, or trade secret. Therefore, scox has absolutely no grounds to sue linux end users. I don't care if ibm broke one hundred contracts with scox. That is the message that the needs to get to the linux end users.
I keep everything in an unfished basement, so it doesn't matter so much.
I use those office-boxes that you get at office depot in six packs for four dollars. They are cheap uniform, and I can write on the white surface of the box.
I use smaller boxes for the smaller stuff and put them all on a shelf.
A good stock scam trumps facts and logic everytime.
Of course, it's just a stock scam. Scox is making this stuff up as they go along. And why not? It works, it works like all hell.
Only one person from the Enron scandle was sentanced to do any time. And Enron hurt a lot more people than scox.
The SEC, FTC, DOJ, or any Attorney General could shut scox down in a heart-beat. Just like Germany did, Germany put an end to scox's scam over there months ago. But the US justice system would rather look the other way while scox insiders laugh at them. Scox insiders are laughing all the way to the bank. And there is nothing the US justice system will do.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't make a federal case out of it. But I wouldn't mind using a different phrase.
infrastucture.
Instead of spending $87 billion on Iraq's infrastructer.
And why is sentor, formerly queen, Amidala; appauled at the idea of a dictator?
You know it will just end up with the Wookie defense.
The article is not saying that all pilots are overpaid. Rather, that *major* airline are paid significantly more that other pilots for essentially the job. Same training, same experience, same hours, same work; but the *major* airline pilots are paid 40% more.
I get dozens of those every day. They never get opened, or even downloaded, but it's still annoying.
This is brilliant plan, and it is working like a charm for msft/sunw/scox/canopy.
Obviously this whole scam is just a plan for Canopy to back out of a bad investment. Along the way, msft and sunw get to beat up the competition for a very cheap price.
Scox is not doing anything crazy at all. Scox was a doomed company before any this started: selling under $1 a share, gushing red ink, never a profitable quarter, no competitive products, in eminate danger of being delisted, etc.
Now scox have pumped the share price 1300%. Insiders are bailing at hugely inflated price. Before this started scox didn't have $5 million in assets, now scox just got $50 million in exchange for freshly minted shares of their worthless stock.
Scox insiders are raking in untold millions, and you think these guys are dumb?
>>They're demanding everyone who uses Linux pay them for it (at a price they've just determined) - or face lawsuits.
No. You don't pay scox to use linux. You pay scox so scox won't sue you for using linux. You are buying a sort of legal protection from scox.
Yarro, the CEO of Canopy, sits on trolltech's BOD. Trolltech owns 1.5% of scox, and trolltech refuses to divest themselves of that chunk.
Trolltech publicly states that they disaprove of scox's actions, but privately, trolltech owns about 200K shares of scox which trolltech will not sell. Trolltech also wants Yarro on the BOD, and trolltech wants Canopy's investment in trolltech.
The way this works, as I understand it:
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1) BayStar loans Scox $50 million.
2) In return, scox owes baystar $50 million worth scox stock. NOTE: the 2.9 million shares is just an estimate based on scox's share price over the last 5 days. If scox share price falls to $8.50/share; then scox will owe baystar almost 6 million shares. Scox has about 13 million shares outstanding now - that means *huge* dilution.
3) baystar takes a huge short position in scox.
4) Since scox now has a cash position of $61 million, scox is now worth suing. Scox is already being sued by about six different companies, expect more to pile on.
5) Death spiral.
It's worth taking a quick look at the article.
http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?f=articl
Get it? Actually the K9 is a tooth, but people call dogs K9s . . .
forget it.
Nearly industructable. It just keep working. I can buy new cartridges for $25, and those things last forever. In terms of economy and reliabitly, it's far supperior to those inkjets.
I have read that the LJ-II and the LJ-III, were big mistakes for HP, because they last too long.
>>Either a lot of people REALLY believe SCO is going to produce a lot of money in the future, or they believe someone is going to buy them out.
Or the air hasn't been let out of the tech bubble. Check the valuations on AMZN or YHOO. The market still hasn't learned it's lesson. They may be good companies, but there is no way those companies can grow fast enough to justify their insane valuations. The market is still very much in love with over-valued tech.
Hate to break it to you, but more often than not scox goes up on bad news. Remember SCOForum, when scox showed the code, and it was debunked within an hour? Scox share price went up 50%, to about $15/share, in the next trhee sessions. Then the share price went up another 50% to about $20/share in the two weeks or so.
msft isn't shoveling millions of dollars to scox for nothing. Darl needs two more profitable quarters before his 600,000 options vest.
1) The numbers don't lie. Sunw's numbers are awful and getting worse. These numbers cut out of the yahoo profile:
Earnings Per Share (ttm): -0.75
Profitability
Profit Margin (ttm): -29.99%
Operating Margin (ttm): -23.82%
Management Effectiveness
Return on Assets (ttm): -23.85%
Return on Equity (ttm): -42.61%
2) Consider the competition. NUMA, RCU, and JFS, for Linux just came out within the last year. Also within the last year: 64-bit processors from AMD, Intel, and Mototola. The competition is catching up fast, and not just on the low end.
"Should Microsoft's software be treated any differently than, say, automobiles?"
I've never been physically injured from a PC crash.
"SCO's references to XFS are completely misplaced. XFS is an innovative SGI- created work. It is not a derivative work of System V in any sense, and SGI has full rights to license it to whomever we choose and to contribute it to open source. It may be that SCO is taking the position that merely because XFS is also distributed along with IRIX it is somehow subject to the System V license. But if so, this is an absurd position, with no basis either in the license or in common sense. In fact, our UNIX license clearly provides that SGI retains ownership and all rights as to all code that was not part of AT&Ts UNIX System V."
oss.sgi.com/letter_100103.txt