No. No, no. These people should have been shot. THIS IS NOT NORMAL! Go find a shrink!
On the other hand, it's really, really cool.. How about a contest? Write a program that does a particular thing (dunno, calculate something (like Pi)), and should be compilable/runnable in a lot of languages. You get points from a jury from how good the program solved the task, times number of languages it is written in. Could be quite fun. (-8
I agree. The thing about HAL ins't just that he can speak/understand speech. He's quite intelligent, and figures out ways of doing stuff himself. He can read between the lines and read peoples lips. Now THAT would be a great computer. And I'm sure he has a keyboard for vi-editing as well..
I know. I, for one, would never, ever, not even in my worst nightmares, give anything of importance about me or my life to Microsoft - not my password, not my bank accounts, not my social security number.. Nothing. And I presume no one on Slashdot would ever do such a thing. BUT! The average Microsoft-user (as in user who users Microsoft products because he/she doesn't know any better) could. They wouldn't know better! That's where Microsoft's strength resides - on the shoulders of un-knowing users.
but seriously - what kind of people/buisnesses are still using win 3.11? retail stores of some sort as cash registers?
Well, the school I went to last year still ran win 3.11. You just don't put Win95 on 486 with 16MB of RAM. It swaps the harddrive out of control. 3.11 kind of works.
I know, Linux on them would be muuuch better - but the school woulnd't allow me )-8
Why not take it all the way back on topic (and still keeping it on your topic) by referencing the guy who built speakers from his three broken harddrives? (-8 Slashdot story: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/16/143921 1&mode=nested
For those who are too lazy to click twice: http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~hsakr/hdspeaker s/hdspea kers.htm
Yeah, but that would kind of take the point away from a laptop, as it has only PLIP (Parallel-cable IP). I need a computer that I can carry 'round and hack on (-8 I've seen an micro-linux-distro with X on two (2) floppies. Can't remember the URL, you'll probably find it on google if you're interested. It ran nicely on a 486. Not usable for anything (as it only ran a xterm in X), but it worked.
Using as a workstation: Linux kernel 2.4.something. XFree 4.something IceWM or XFCE XFtree file manager vim NO image background NO fancy fading menus (a la KDE) NO things you don't need The shell login (would be Bash)
As a server: Linux kernel 2.4.something Apache Postfix PHP MySQL Sendma il Shell login Other stuff you need
On my current workstation, I have Linux kernel 2.4.18, XFree 4.1 and XFCE (among a lot of other things). It's an AMD K6-2 350@400MHz, 128MB and a fairly large harddisk (40GB). It makes a usable desktop, and it _really_ flies. I've seen Linux on a Pentium 100MHz with about the same setup, and it flies just as well. Just don't open Gimp and Wine at the same time (-8 Linux on serving (wich is Apache, MySQL, PHP, Postfix, NAT) is currently running at an Pentium 60 with 32MB of RAM, and it works wonderfully. It's not the most trafficated server in the world, but it flies. It's all a matter of configuring and optimizing stuff, and keep the bloat out. That's why I mentioned Debian, since it keeps the bloat out and makes you configure stuff on your own.
Right now, I'm setting up a 486 25MHz laptop with 250MB harddisk. I don't expect X to go nicely, but it is as fast as any computer on plain console (links, mc, vim).
Well, 98Lite is _almost_ as usable as full Windows. But some programs chokes on it (especially programs that integrates with the shell and some InstallShields). And Cygwin isn't the fastest thing on earth. A DOS-box with vim would work better..
..asuming you meant P166, not P1666. 32MB of RAM won't even do for Windows 95 to have it run smoothly. As soon as you fire up something heavier than wordpad, it swaps.
I don't use Windows for printing either (other than on client side, here and there), but I'm pretty sure that the MS way of doing it is neworked layered. Since I'm the local geek, people come running to me with their Windows-problems all the time. There's been a lot of printer troubles, but never on networking. When the printer finally decides to print locally, it does that over the network as well. As long as the network works anyway, but that's a different issue (-8
Well, I have an old Mac SE. It rocks, and I would never put anything else inside it. It's a Mac SE, and it stays that way until it's completly unrunnable.
I have a friend who built an aquarium out of one of these.. Darn cool! It's even got a blue backlight.
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Has he forgotten about the basis of good code?
Well, there have to be some reason that he had to copy an OS (CP/M) to have something to sell IBM, and not create one of his own.. Maybe he's not that great a coder after all. I don't know, just a thought. But you certainly got a point there.. If Microsoft just made good software, the world would be a better place. If Microsoft did have GOOD policies on stuff (like marketing, monopoly, open source and stuff), the world would be even better.
Well, I use Opera (the best graphical browser in the world, IMO) and Passport (at least Hotmail) works, but the login-page states (after login) that I'm using a old or disfunctional (or what-ever-they-say) browser wich limits my abilities to use the Passport services. I am, however, free to continue, after having read ads for Internet Explorer. When I set Opera to identify itself as MSIE 5, I obviosly don't get the "limited abilities"-page, but things doesn't work perfectly. There's a lot of JavaScript that's rather non-standard, and some ActiveX or Java (or whatever-it-is) applets that don't work (at least, again, on Hotmail). Passport does NOT work in links or lynx. Haven't tried Konqueror.
Since this is Slashdot;
Disclaimer: I do not use any Hotmail or Passport services. I have this information because of others (my so-called "friends") that sadly use them.
Here in Norway, it's natural to pronounce Linux just the way it's supposed to. Maybe our "i" is a bit narrower than the native english one (like in the word "Interesting"). To pronounce Linux the way it should be according to english dictionary rules just sounds.. wrong (-8 I remember when I installed my first Linux distro (I beleive it was RedHat 4 or 5), and the sound configurator played a test, where Linux Torvalds stated how to pronounce the name of his OS.. I thought I would die from laughter. (-8
Clearly, you haven't been reading your homework on words ending in -ist (or -ism). Without getting into a political discussion, I'll try to stick to the meaning of the words. I won't even comment on your thoughts about "homeland security" and socialism/communism. You're comparing communism and socialism (since they're both rather left in a political sense), wich is understandable, but WHAT has fascism to do with any of the to others? Mention ONE thing!
You forgot OS X. It's Unix. And put in LUnix (http://lng.sourceforge.net/) when you're at it.. It's kind of Unix as well. There is a lot of things that are Unix, when I think about it.. My ruler (you know, the long plastic-thing with lines, dots and numbers printed in symmetric intervals often used at school (you know, the place where you're supposed to learn stuff (you know,.. forget it))) is made by "UNIX" for some reason. More?
Well, they'll keep it going with _only_ April Fool's jokes until there is no 1st of April left in the world. That's a lot more than 24 hours, I'm afraid..
Linux was designed from the beginning, and still is, to be run on lousy hardware. I'm about to set up a Pentium 60MHz firewall/router/log-in-terminal, and I've seen people running that on 386's. By speaking like you, we only get bloatier, bigger and slower software, because "hey, I've got the hardware for it!" But have you ever tried running DOS with Windows 3.11 on a Athlon 1200? Blazingly fast! People knew how to work in Windows 3.11 as well, they just didn't have that kindergarden-look of WinXP. Keep the software small and fast, and the computers will run faster! Linux should run (and does) on Pentium 200s. It even runs fast, if you set it up correctly or use a small, fast distro (think Blackbox, few services - boots in 10 seconds). My favourite server distro in that matter is Trustix - small, fast and it works.
MHO, anyway..
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Now, that's a cool.sig. The answer to the question of the universe.. and all. (-8
I believe in education of users, and not idiot-proofing of software, rendering it useless. In the Old Days(TM), when my dad learned computers (that was round DOS 3), users really had to learn stuff. They needed to know what a file and directory was, and the difference between a.EXE and.DOC-file. And my dad was just as productive with DOS, CLI and WordPerfect 5.1 (RIP) as with his current version of Windows (98), in addition to the fact that he KNEW WHAT HE DID. Microsofts general software designs tries to hide everything from the user, so that he doesn't need to know anything. And we see where that's heading - into users who don't know what a.EXE-file is. Any general HCI (Human Computer Interaction) document will tell you that this kind of design is bad.
I'm not suggesting that we get back to DOS 3 or Unix CLI. That's too cumbersome. But when people at my school, using MS Word, asks ME whether they saved to a diskette or not because they don't even know what a file is, something is wrong. Imangine to drive a car without knowing how to steer..
Well, the last time I tried Outlook XP, it wouldn't let my friend download (or run) an EXE-file wich I sent to him. One thing is not running a file without user's permission, another is to deny any kind of access to the file. I coulnd't, no matter what I tried, run the.EXE-file, even though I knew this was a perfectly virus-free device-driver. So I had to resend the file with a different extension, and then rename it when it arrived. Security is good, and it's a good thing that Microsoft is focusing towards it, but there have got to be limits! My OS will let me run any file I want..
Sorry, I forgot to mention that CounterStrike only runs under wine, like you said. But it runs pretty well - there's one tutorial at http://www.cs.4players.de/cs_linux_02.php3 (and I've seen others).
As for the HalfLife/Quake{1|2}-thing, you'll have to direct me to URLs to convince me.. Sorry, but I'm still pretty sure it's built upon Quake2. Take a look at http://www.mobygames.com/game/view_review/platform Id,3/reviewerId,260/gameId,155/. It states, and I quote,
Blazingly fast game play based off the Quake2 engine. Great graphics and sound. Half-Life really distinguishes itself from Q2 by having a really compelling and immersive story.
This will probarbly backfire on me, as I don't count this to be a reliable source - but it shows that it's a popular thought.
No, wait. Sorry. My fault. I found this quote as well:
The Half-Life Technology
Half-Life is based on the Quake(tm) engine by ID Software, with Valve's own enhancements to the engine, such as 16-bit and 24-bit color and MMX support, as well as being developed to take full advantage of 3dfx's Voodoo2. Half-Life is based on a whole new level of proprietary technology creating a extremely rich and original gaming experience.
Thanks for letting me know! (-8 See what a good/. discussion can do!
Great points, and I agree that Wise isn't perfect. But it do works. And Windows 9x isn't very multiuser (or multitasking, for that matter).. Most home-Compaq-computer users (or gamers) use only one computer - and they're the only one to use it.
But I think you missed my point - a common, clear way to do things might be better than 5 different ways of doing them, even though they all might be a lot better.
On a completly unrelated note, I spend the last 20 minutes reading some of your posts in a discussion originaly about additions to the moderation system, but turned out to be about honesty when posting. You write extremly good, and make your points clear - and, I have come to agree with you on most parts. Congrats (-8
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No. No, no. These people should have been shot. THIS IS NOT NORMAL! Go find a shrink!
On the other hand, it's really, really cool.. How about a contest? Write a program that does a particular thing (dunno, calculate something (like Pi)), and should be compilable/runnable in a lot of languages. You get points from a jury from how good the program solved the task, times number of languages it is written in. Could be quite fun. (-8
What Emacs mode do I use to look at the code???
No problem, just use vi(m)! In vim, you can use several colour-coding styles in one document. Just needs a bit of tweaking, that's all.
I agree. The thing about HAL ins't just that he can speak/understand speech. He's quite intelligent, and figures out ways of doing stuff himself. He can read between the lines and read peoples lips. Now THAT would be a great computer. And I'm sure he has a keyboard for vi-editing as well..
I know. I, for one, would never, ever, not even in my worst nightmares, give anything of importance about me or my life to Microsoft - not my password, not my bank accounts, not my social security number.. Nothing. And I presume no one on Slashdot would ever do such a thing. BUT! The average Microsoft-user (as in user who users Microsoft products because he/she doesn't know any better) could. They wouldn't know better! That's where Microsoft's strength resides - on the shoulders of un-knowing users.
but seriously - what kind of people/buisnesses are still using win 3.11? retail stores of some sort as cash registers?
Well, the school I went to last year still ran win 3.11. You just don't put Win95 on 486 with 16MB of RAM. It swaps the harddrive out of control. 3.11 kind of works.
I know, Linux on them would be muuuch better - but the school woulnd't allow me )-8
Why not take it all the way back on topic (and still keeping it on your topic) by referencing the guy who built speakers from his three broken harddrives? (-81 1&mode=nested
r s/hdspea kers.htm
Slashdot story: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/16/14392
For those who are too lazy to click twice:
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~hsakr/hdspeake
Use that 486 as a terminal off of your k6-2.
Yeah, but that would kind of take the point away from a laptop, as it has only PLIP (Parallel-cable IP). I need a computer that I can carry 'round and hack on (-8 I've seen an micro-linux-distro with X on two (2) floppies. Can't remember the URL, you'll probably find it on google if you're interested. It ran nicely on a 486. Not usable for anything (as it only ran a xterm in X), but it worked.
This would fly:
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Using as a workstation:
Linux kernel 2.4.something.
XFree 4.something
IceWM or XFCE
XFtree file manager
vim
NO image background
NO fancy fading menus (a la KDE)
NO things you don't need
The shell login (would be Bash)
As a server:
Linux kernel 2.4.something
Apache
Postfix
PHP
MySQL
Sendm
Shell login
Other stuff you need
On my current workstation, I have Linux kernel 2.4.18, XFree 4.1 and XFCE (among a lot of other things). It's an AMD K6-2 350@400MHz, 128MB and a fairly large harddisk (40GB). It makes a usable desktop, and it _really_ flies. I've seen Linux on a Pentium 100MHz with about the same setup, and it flies just as well. Just don't open Gimp and Wine at the same time (-8 Linux on serving (wich is Apache, MySQL, PHP, Postfix, NAT) is currently running at an Pentium 60 with 32MB of RAM, and it works wonderfully. It's not the most trafficated server in the world, but it flies. It's all a matter of configuring and optimizing stuff, and keep the bloat out. That's why I mentioned Debian, since it keeps the bloat out and makes you configure stuff on your own.
Right now, I'm setting up a 486 25MHz laptop with 250MB harddisk. I don't expect X to go nicely, but it is as fast as any computer on plain console (links, mc, vim).
The point is, it's faster than Windows (-8
I was about to say that! (-8
Well, 98Lite is _almost_ as usable as full Windows. But some programs chokes on it (especially programs that integrates with the shell and some InstallShields). And Cygwin isn't the fastest thing on earth. A DOS-box with vim would work better..
..asuming you meant P166, not P1666. 32MB of RAM won't even do for Windows 95 to have it run smoothly. As soon as you fire up something heavier than wordpad, it swaps.
I won't mention Linux, I won't mention Linux..
..but if you run Debian on it, it would fly!
Nono. Well, emacs maybe a shell, Vi(m) is an whole beach.
Haha. Dunno if that worked in english, though.
I don't use Windows for printing either (other than on client side, here and there), but I'm pretty sure that the MS way of doing it is neworked layered. Since I'm the local geek, people come running to me with their Windows-problems all the time. There's been a lot of printer troubles, but never on networking. When the printer finally decides to print locally, it does that over the network as well. As long as the network works anyway, but that's a different issue (-8
Well, I have an old Mac SE. It rocks, and I would never put anything else inside it. It's a Mac SE, and it stays that way until it's completly unrunnable. I have a friend who built an aquarium out of one of these.. Darn cool! It's even got a blue backlight.
Has he forgotten about the basis of good code?
Well, there have to be some reason that he had to copy an OS (CP/M) to have something to sell IBM, and not create one of his own.. Maybe he's not that great a coder after all. I don't know, just a thought. But you certainly got a point there.. If Microsoft just made good software, the world would be a better place. If Microsoft did have GOOD policies on stuff (like marketing, monopoly, open source and stuff), the world would be even better.
Now, this got a little off-topic. Sorry (-8
Well, I use Opera (the best graphical browser in the world, IMO) and Passport (at least Hotmail) works, but the login-page states (after login) that I'm using a old or disfunctional (or what-ever-they-say) browser wich limits my abilities to use the Passport services. I am, however, free to continue, after having read ads for Internet Explorer. When I set Opera to identify itself as MSIE 5, I obviosly don't get the "limited abilities"-page, but things doesn't work perfectly. There's a lot of JavaScript that's rather non-standard, and some ActiveX or Java (or whatever-it-is) applets that don't work (at least, again, on Hotmail). Passport does NOT work in links or lynx. Haven't tried Konqueror.
Since this is Slashdot;
Disclaimer: I do not use any Hotmail or Passport services. I have this information because of others (my so-called "friends") that sadly use them.
Fine. But how do you pronounce it?
Bee-dale, I guess..
Here in Norway, it's natural to pronounce Linux just the way it's supposed to. Maybe our "i" is a bit narrower than the native english one (like in the word "Interesting"). To pronounce Linux the way it should be according to english dictionary rules just sounds.. wrong (-8 I remember when I installed my first Linux distro (I beleive it was RedHat 4 or 5), and the sound configurator played a test, where Linux Torvalds stated how to pronounce the name of his OS.. I thought I would die from laughter. (-8
communist/fascist/socialist?
Clearly, you haven't been reading your homework on words ending in -ist (or -ism). Without getting into a political discussion, I'll try to stick to the meaning of the words. I won't even comment on your thoughts about "homeland security" and socialism/communism. You're comparing communism and socialism (since they're both rather left in a political sense), wich is understandable, but WHAT has fascism to do with any of the to others? Mention ONE thing!
You forgot OS X. It's Unix. And put in LUnix (http://lng.sourceforge.net/) when you're at it.. It's kind of Unix as well. There is a lot of things that are Unix, when I think about it.. My ruler (you know, the long plastic-thing with lines, dots and numbers printed in symmetric intervals often used at school (you know, the place where you're supposed to learn stuff (you know, .. forget it))) is made by "UNIX" for some reason. More?
Well, they'll keep it going with _only_ April Fool's jokes until there is no 1st of April left in the world. That's a lot more than 24 hours, I'm afraid..
But, but..
Linux was designed from the beginning, and still is, to be run on lousy hardware. I'm about to set up a Pentium 60MHz firewall/router/log-in-terminal, and I've seen people running that on 386's. By speaking like you, we only get bloatier, bigger and slower software, because "hey, I've got the hardware for it!" But have you ever tried running DOS with Windows 3.11 on a Athlon 1200? Blazingly fast! People knew how to work in Windows 3.11 as well, they just didn't have that kindergarden-look of WinXP. Keep the software small and fast, and the computers will run faster! Linux should run (and does) on Pentium 200s. It even runs fast, if you set it up correctly or use a small, fast distro (think Blackbox, few services - boots in 10 seconds). My favourite server distro in that matter is Trustix - small, fast and it works.
MHO, anyway..
Now, that's a cool .sig. The answer to the question of the universe.. and all. (-8
I believe in education of users, and not idiot-proofing of software, rendering it useless. In the Old Days(TM), when my dad learned computers (that was round DOS 3), users really had to learn stuff. They needed to know what a file and directory was, and the difference between a .EXE and .DOC-file. And my dad was just as productive with DOS, CLI and WordPerfect 5.1 (RIP) as with his current version of Windows (98), in addition to the fact that he KNEW WHAT HE DID. Microsofts general software designs tries to hide everything from the user, so that he doesn't need to know anything. And we see where that's heading - into users who don't know what a .EXE-file is. Any general HCI (Human Computer Interaction) document will tell you that this kind of design is bad.
I'm not suggesting that we get back to DOS 3 or Unix CLI. That's too cumbersome. But when people at my school, using MS Word, asks ME whether they saved to a diskette or not because they don't even know what a file is, something is wrong. Imangine to drive a car without knowing how to steer..
Well, the last time I tried Outlook XP, it wouldn't let my friend download (or run) an EXE-file wich I sent to him. One thing is not running a file without user's permission, another is to deny any kind of access to the file. I coulnd't, no matter what I tried, run the .EXE-file, even though I knew this was a perfectly virus-free device-driver. So I had to resend the file with a different extension, and then rename it when it arrived. Security is good, and it's a good thing that Microsoft is focusing towards it, but there have got to be limits! My OS will let me run any file I want..
As for the HalfLife/Quake{1|2}-thing, you'll have to direct me to URLs to convince me.. Sorry, but I'm still pretty sure it's built upon Quake2. Take a look at http://www.mobygames.com/game/view_review/platfor
This will probarbly backfire on me, as I don't count this to be a reliable source - but it shows that it's a popular thought.
No, wait. Sorry. My fault. I found this quote as well:
Thanks for letting me know! (-8 See what a good
Thanks for the compliments. :) Normaly I get flamed to hell for saying "such stupid things."
Wich kind of proves your point.. (-8
Sad times when advocating honest gets a person flamed at.
Sad, but true.
doh, gotta go, no time to spellcheck.
Naa.. Who needs spellchecking? I'm not a native english speaker (norwegian!), but who cares about spelling? (-8
Anyway, keep up the good work!
Great points, and I agree that Wise isn't perfect. But it do works. And Windows 9x isn't very multiuser (or multitasking, for that matter).. Most home-Compaq-computer users (or gamers) use only one computer - and they're the only one to use it.
But I think you missed my point - a common, clear way to do things might be better than 5 different ways of doing them, even though they all might be a lot better.
On a completly unrelated note, I spend the last 20 minutes reading some of your posts in a discussion originaly about additions to the moderation system, but turned out to be about honesty when posting. You write extremly good, and make your points clear - and, I have come to agree with you on most parts. Congrats (-8