But lets be honest: if something goes wrong, she's going to have to get down and dirty - and thats not acceptable by "consumer" standards.
Well, asuming the alternative is Windows, what regular user is able to fix a problem with Windows? They all call their nearest computer geek.. I get called down to my former teacher when the toolbars in Word gets rearranged.
They have choice - even if they don't know it.
Take a look at the Be case. Read their filing - it's quite fun a read, actually. Plain english, not the usual legal blah-blah. Users don't have the choice. Users do not want to research, download and install Linux or FreeBSD or any other operating system by themselves. They want to get into a store, buy a computer, and have it work. Period.
Good point, but the fact remains that of all those hundreds of millions of Windows users nearly 100% could switch to Linux, but haven't.
Eh.. The hundres of millions have no idea what an operating system really is, and think about a computer as a computer with Windows. They don't know about the alternatives. Why don't you look at people who do know? I'm talking sysadmins, developers, IBM, HP..
Good point, but the fact remains that of all those hundreds of millions of Windows users nearly 100% could switch to Linux, but haven't.
Well, a friend and I actually tested this theory. We gave my friend's sister a computer, Linux Mandrake CD-ROMs, and told her to put the first CD-ROM in the drive, and reboot. She has absolutley no computer experience, other than a bit tingeling with Word. She managed, all by herself, to install Mandrake and set it up just the way she wanted. Her KDE desktop was concise and usable, and she didn't have to type ONE single command in a shell or tweak ONE single configuration file. She don't even know what a shell is, and won't need to know.
[]..but the individual pieces are just as proprietary as anything else on the market.
What parts, exactly, are you refering to? I don't see a single proprietary piece at my current Debian system, and never on Mandrake. Or FreeBSD.
OEMs ship windows because thats what the users demand. The customers do prefer windows. Cold hard fact.
I dunno who misunderstands the market economics. I don't claim to know much about economics at all, but I know this. Even OEMs don't have the choice to sell computers pre-installed with something else than Windows. They have contracts with Microsoft (which, BTW, are "trade secrets") that forbids them to sell computers with somethinge else than Windows. Users a never given the choice. They don't even know there are alternatives.
Windows something-other-than-NT was never extensions of MS DOS. They were applications running on top of DOS. The fact that DOS really is CP/M, written by someone else, and sold by the then small Microsoft to IBM before Microsoft had bought it themselves, is of course irrelevant. And the OS/2-IBM-Windows NT-story has nothing do to with it. Has Microsoft ever written an operating system by themselves?
I don't see were you get this usability-comparision from. The experience I've got, says that KDE is actually easier to use than Windows. I'm not talking about myself here (I use xfce 8-), but my mother and sister - both have no computer experience. They both found KDE to be the easiest to use.
The good thing about Unix security, though, is that it's configurable. In the Linux Mandrake default, there is a nice alias for rm that prompts you for every file if you try that sort of stuff.
But I agree, it's easy to wipe stuff you don't want to wipe with rf. But how many people who don't know how to use rf will use it? Most regular (not hackers, not syadmins, not script kiddies, the plain John Doe) users use KDE or GNOME or something. Try to delete something in KDE - you get an extra confirm.
The challenge for developers will be to make secure, but still userfriendly software. Neat stuff have to happen when you click, or else users won't use it. On the other hand, neat things shouldn't destroy stuff.
For anyone who knows just a tad about norwegian/danish history (it's all the same), this is quite funny.. (-8
But hey - let's get some things clear. Swedish is norwegian with a potato in the mouth. Danish is norwegian with a hot potato in the mouth. We don't WANT to pronounce danish properly (I ihua au æhæ fu, just vocals). Ever heard about a guy called Ivar Aasen, norwegian dialects and nynorsk? (-8
That's where we're hoping Debian will go.. Debian is truly free, it's aming towards LSB compliance (it's not quite there yet, but pretty close). Debian REALLY lacks a good installer. Somebody should make a Mandrake-concept idiot-proof installer for those who are in need of that, and geeks could still use the current installer. Optimized apt-repositories sounds like a great idea! Can't somebody hack that into apt? Good configuration tools - again, look at Mandrake. In any case, Debian makes a great starting point.
On a side note, in Norway there are a team developing Skolelinux (Schoollinux). It is targeted for schools to be an easy, straight-forward setup and with fairly good configuration tools. Most of the info is in norwegian, sorry (-8 There's an english introduction at http://developer.skolelinux.no/projectinfo.html.en
No offence, but I think you missed the point. The parent poster was talking about locking a folder for access from others, not for himself.. If he wanted to delete it, he would do that from DOS (by typing the name and the Alt+255-combination he had to remember).. And you could always use other file managers. IIRC, the Norton Commander could do that.
> You do remember your business partner, Marcellus Wallace, don't you?
Actually, the phrase is "buisness associate," not "buisness partner." Nevertheless, it's a great movie! Probably the perfect B-film..
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I don't think they care much. I read somewhere that Google has an average of 30% resource utilization, and it has never been more than 80%. I love Google.
Third, I don't believe we've ever done anything to deserve 9/11.
I never quite got how this discussion ended in 9/11, but anyway.. I don't believe anyone deserves murder. Nobody. But the way I see it, the attacks against the US at 9/11 was understandable. Don't get me wrong; understandable, but not acceptable. A friend of mine wrote a text about this, wich reflects my views as well.. please take a look at it here
I think the parent was suggesting voice recognition for SMS-typing, not only dialing. I agree that typing a number of the first letters of a name usually is faster than saying the name over and over, but talking to you phone to write SMSes would be great!
The sad thing is that SMS holds only 160 letters - there's really not much you can say in those 160 letters. So what people does, is to write ununderstandable stuff. I dunno how this is outside Norway, but here SMS-writings from 14 year olds are generally unreadable.. And that would be hard to implement in voice recognition.
(the war on *some* drugs among other more recent legislation)
Now this is a completly different discussion..
Anything that gives more power to the prosecutors in the court system needs to be examined very carefully and almost always rejected even at the expense of some innocents being harmed by *real* criminals going free.
Very good point. I'm beginning to think that the whole court system in the US might need a total rewrite. I heard a story about a guy who was breaking into someone's house, but fell through the glass roof/ceiling (depends on if you're looking form the oustside or inside - english is pretty stupid that way) and broke a leg. He sued the house-owner, and won.
I dunno, maybe you can get Judge Judy in Norway;-) How did you come to the conclusion that I'm norwegian? You're right.. It also means I'm heading for bed, as it's rather late.
Nope, we don't have Judge Judy in Norway, AFAIK. But than again, I don't watch much television.
Interesting point of view. I firmly agree that one are innocent until proven guilty.. but sometimes the act of proving someone to be guilty can be quite tendious without breaking these laws. Like when lawyers can talk jugdes around, and make evidence aquired in legal ways unusable as evidence. I think we agree, but look at this from to different perspectives. Then again, I'm not american, so what do I know about american courts, except from what you learn from Ally McBeal? (-8
Be's case is mostly concerning their dual-boot strategy. Be figured out, quite correctly, that replacing Windows overnight is rather futile. So they wanted OEMs (original equiment manufactureres, here: the folks that's selling computers) to sell computers with dual-boot, BeOS and Windows. BeOS would then slowly have a greater market share and larger user base (as BeOS is a great OS), and more application would have been made, and the ball would roll. But Microsoft's tactics on OEMs is.. what to say? Unethical. Anti-competive. Illegal. Read the PDF at http://www.beincorporated.com/msft_complaint.pdfIt 's a really interesting read, and not written in usual advocate-language. Plain understandable english.
I was about to say "may you rest in peace", but I don't want BeOS to rest in peace. Most of all, I want it to raise again, but it doesn't seem possible.. Next thing I wish is that BeOS will set an example for the future. That people would say "look at Be! Don't let that happen again." I want Be to win their case.
But think of the following scenario: A police(wo)man beleives a group of people are drug dealers. He breaks into their warehouse, quite illegally, and finds evidence that proves he's/she's right. I know that the case is extreme, but would those evidences be illegal to present for a court, and the guilty ones will go free?
I do see the point of such rules (especially when it comes to privacy), but they can be used both ways.
But every company does not have monopoly control of the market.
Nope. Every company isn't run the same way. In what way is RedHat or Mandrake anti-compative?
This is how MS got to where they are. Not through providing superior products.
True. Even though they didn't really make the break-through products themselves (think CP/M and DOS, OS/2 and NT).. But, Today, they have superior products.
*duuut!* Wrong. How is Windows (3x/95/98/2000/NT/XP or whatever) a superior OS (apart from popularity)? Why is Internet Explorer a superior web-browser? Please explain to me, what makes IIS a superior web server over Apache?
The way Microsoft does buisniss is way unaccaptable. If Microsoft wants "world domination" they better do it by making the superior products. This is why FreeBSD and Linux and other free, and in my opinion, superior OSes will eventually will have "world domination".
Bah. I know I'm replying to myself, but I re-read the grand-grandparent post, got the part with "Silly me", and of course his being satiric. *smack myself* (-8 Bedtime, obviously.
What, specifically, made your parent post (my grandparent post) a troll? The poster was expressing his/hers opinion or, maybe (I couldn't tell) came with a satiric comment. It may not be objective, you may disagree (I certainly do). But it's NOT a troll. Moderators who think like that pollutes/.
Ah. Sorry, my memory (not my RAM) doesn't serve me that well.. (-8 But the point still stands - you don't have to use your own mail address. How many of the Hotmail mail accounts that exist are made by "real" people?
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But lets be honest: if something goes wrong, she's going to have to get down and dirty - and thats not acceptable by "consumer" standards.
Well, asuming the alternative is Windows, what regular user is able to fix a problem with Windows? They all call their nearest computer geek.. I get called down to my former teacher when the toolbars in Word gets rearranged.
They have choice - even if they don't know it.
Take a look at the Be case. Read their filing - it's quite fun a read, actually. Plain english, not the usual legal blah-blah. Users don't have the choice. Users do not want to research, download and install Linux or FreeBSD or any other operating system by themselves. They want to get into a store, buy a computer, and have it work. Period.
Good point, but the fact remains that of all those hundreds of millions of Windows users nearly 100% could switch to Linux, but haven't.
Eh.. The hundres of millions have no idea what an operating system really is, and think about a computer as a computer with Windows. They don't know about the alternatives. Why don't you look at people who do know? I'm talking sysadmins, developers, IBM, HP..
Good point, but the fact remains that of all those hundreds of millions of Windows users nearly 100% could switch to Linux, but haven't.
Well, a friend and I actually tested this theory. We gave my friend's sister a computer, Linux Mandrake CD-ROMs, and told her to put the first CD-ROM in the drive, and reboot. She has absolutley no computer experience, other than a bit tingeling with Word. She managed, all by herself, to install Mandrake and set it up just the way she wanted. Her KDE desktop was concise and usable, and she didn't have to type ONE single command in a shell or tweak ONE single configuration file. She don't even know what a shell is, and won't need to know.
[]..but the individual pieces are just as proprietary as anything else on the market.
What parts, exactly, are you refering to? I don't see a single proprietary piece at my current Debian system, and never on Mandrake. Or FreeBSD.
OEMs ship windows because thats what the users demand. The customers do prefer windows. Cold hard fact.
I dunno who misunderstands the market economics. I don't claim to know much about economics at all, but I know this. Even OEMs don't have the choice to sell computers pre-installed with something else than Windows. They have contracts with Microsoft (which, BTW, are "trade secrets") that forbids them to sell computers with somethinge else than Windows. Users a never given the choice. They don't even know there are alternatives.
Windows something-other-than-NT was never extensions of MS DOS. They were applications running on top of DOS. The fact that DOS really is CP/M, written by someone else, and sold by the then small Microsoft to IBM before Microsoft had bought it themselves, is of course irrelevant. And the OS/2-IBM-Windows NT-story has nothing do to with it. Has Microsoft ever written an operating system by themselves?
I don't see were you get this usability-comparision from. The experience I've got, says that KDE is actually easier to use than Windows. I'm not talking about myself here (I use xfce 8-), but my mother and sister - both have no computer experience. They both found KDE to be the easiest to use.
The good thing about Unix security, though, is that it's configurable. In the Linux Mandrake default, there is a nice alias for rm that prompts you for every file if you try that sort of stuff.
But I agree, it's easy to wipe stuff you don't want to wipe with rf. But how many people who don't know how to use rf will use it? Most regular (not hackers, not syadmins, not script kiddies, the plain John Doe) users use KDE or GNOME or something. Try to delete something in KDE - you get an extra confirm.
The challenge for developers will be to make secure, but still userfriendly software. Neat stuff have to happen when you click, or else users won't use it. On the other hand, neat things shouldn't destroy stuff.
For anyone who knows just a tad about norwegian/danish history (it's all the same), this is quite funny.. (-8
But hey - let's get some things clear. Swedish is norwegian with a potato in the mouth. Danish is norwegian with a hot potato in the mouth. We don't WANT to pronounce danish properly (I ihua au æhæ fu, just vocals). Ever heard about a guy called Ivar Aasen, norwegian dialects and nynorsk? (-8
I recon they do it to track how many people who reads their articles, and, more importantly, to direct the ads better.
That's where we're hoping Debian will go.. Debian is truly free, it's aming towards LSB compliance (it's not quite there yet, but pretty close). Debian REALLY lacks a good installer. Somebody should make a Mandrake-concept idiot-proof installer for those who are in need of that, and geeks could still use the current installer. Optimized apt-repositories sounds like a great idea! Can't somebody hack that into apt? Good configuration tools - again, look at Mandrake. In any case, Debian makes a great starting point.
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On a side note, in Norway there are a team developing Skolelinux (Schoollinux). It is targeted for schools to be an easy, straight-forward setup and with fairly good configuration tools. Most of the info is in norwegian, sorry (-8 There's an english introduction at http://developer.skolelinux.no/projectinfo.html.e
No offence, but I think you missed the point. The parent poster was talking about locking a folder for access from others, not for himself.. If he wanted to delete it, he would do that from DOS (by typing the name and the Alt+255-combination he had to remember).. And you could always use other file managers. IIRC, the Norton Commander could do that.
That's something else. Google Image Search caches a small version of the image in question. The regular Google web search does not, AFAIK.
No, but Google doesn't cache images.
> You do remember your business partner, Marcellus Wallace, don't you?
Actually, the phrase is "buisness associate," not "buisness partner." Nevertheless, it's a great movie! Probably the perfect B-film..
I don't think they care much. I read somewhere that Google has an average of 30% resource utilization, and it has never been more than 80%. I love Google.
Third, I don't believe we've ever done anything to deserve 9/11.
I never quite got how this discussion ended in 9/11, but anyway.. I don't believe anyone deserves murder. Nobody. But the way I see it, the attacks against the US at 9/11 was understandable. Don't get me wrong; understandable, but not acceptable. A friend of mine wrote a text about this, wich reflects my views as well.. please take a look at it here
Well, I do have a sister, whom I like to communicate with. Besides, who says I'm not 14 myself? (-;
I think the parent was suggesting voice recognition for SMS-typing, not only dialing. I agree that typing a number of the first letters of a name usually is faster than saying the name over and over, but talking to you phone to write SMSes would be great!
The sad thing is that SMS holds only 160 letters - there's really not much you can say in those 160 letters. So what people does, is to write ununderstandable stuff. I dunno how this is outside Norway, but here SMS-writings from 14 year olds are generally unreadable.. And that would be hard to implement in voice recognition.
(the war on *some* drugs among other more recent legislation)
;-)
Now this is a completly different discussion..
Anything that gives more power to the prosecutors in the court system needs to be examined very carefully and almost always rejected even at the expense of some innocents being harmed by *real* criminals going free.
Very good point. I'm beginning to think that the whole court system in the US might need a total rewrite. I heard a story about a guy who was breaking into someone's house, but fell through the glass roof/ceiling (depends on if you're looking form the oustside or inside - english is pretty stupid that way) and broke a leg. He sued the house-owner, and won.
I dunno, maybe you can get Judge Judy in Norway
How did you come to the conclusion that I'm norwegian? You're right.. It also means I'm heading for bed, as it's rather late.
Nope, we don't have Judge Judy in Norway, AFAIK. But than again, I don't watch much television.
Interesting point of view. I firmly agree that one are innocent until proven guilty.. but sometimes the act of proving someone to be guilty can be quite tendious without breaking these laws. Like when lawyers can talk jugdes around, and make evidence aquired in legal ways unusable as evidence. I think we agree, but look at this from to different perspectives. Then again, I'm not american, so what do I know about american courts, except from what you learn from Ally McBeal? (-8
Be's case is mostly concerning their dual-boot strategy. Be figured out, quite correctly, that replacing Windows overnight is rather futile. So they wanted OEMs (original equiment manufactureres, here: the folks that's selling computers) to sell computers with dual-boot, BeOS and Windows. BeOS would then slowly have a greater market share and larger user base (as BeOS is a great OS), and more application would have been made, and the ball would roll. But Microsoft's tactics on OEMs is.. what to say? Unethical. Anti-competive. Illegal. Read the PDF at http://www.beincorporated.com/msft_complaint.pdfIt 's a really interesting read, and not written in usual advocate-language. Plain understandable english.
I was about to say "may you rest in peace", but I don't want BeOS to rest in peace. Most of all, I want it to raise again, but it doesn't seem possible.. Next thing I wish is that BeOS will set an example for the future. That people would say "look at Be! Don't let that happen again." I want Be to win their case.
But think of the following scenario: A police(wo)man beleives a group of people are drug dealers. He breaks into their warehouse, quite illegally, and finds evidence that proves he's/she's right. I know that the case is extreme, but would those evidences be illegal to present for a court, and the guilty ones will go free?
I do see the point of such rules (especially when it comes to privacy), but they can be used both ways.
You put that well. I agree with you, mostly.
Get a clue. Every company is run the same way.
But every company does not have monopoly control of the market.
Nope. Every company isn't run the same way. In what way is RedHat or Mandrake anti-compative?
This is how MS got to where they are. Not through providing superior products.
True. Even though they didn't really make the break-through products themselves (think CP/M and DOS, OS/2 and NT).. But,
Today, they have superior products.
*duuut!* Wrong. How is Windows (3x/95/98/2000/NT/XP or whatever) a superior OS (apart from popularity)? Why is Internet Explorer a superior web-browser? Please explain to me, what makes IIS a superior web server over Apache?
The way Microsoft does buisniss is way unaccaptable. If Microsoft wants "world domination" they better do it by making the superior products. This is why FreeBSD and Linux and other free, and in my opinion, superior OSes will eventually will have "world domination".
..(I couldn't tell) came with a satiric comment.
Bah. I know I'm replying to myself, but I re-read the grand-grandparent post, got the part with "Silly me", and of course his being satiric. *smack myself* (-8 Bedtime, obviously.
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What, specifically, made your parent post (my grandparent post) a troll? The poster was expressing his/hers opinion or, maybe (I couldn't tell) came with a satiric comment. It may not be objective, you may disagree (I certainly do). But it's NOT a troll. Moderators who think like that pollutes
OOOhh... That hurt!
Ah. Sorry, my memory (not my RAM) doesn't serve me that well.. (-8 But the point still stands - you don't have to use your own mail address. How many of the Hotmail mail accounts that exist are made by "real" people?
But you don't have to use your own e-mail address..