So? There is nothing magical about "physical manufacturing" that should make a company valuable.
No? Let's look at the previous dotcom crash, and compare it against the current tech bubble. The question you should be asking is, who's going to be getting money to buy your product if you're not manufacturing anything.
GM makes commodity products, competes with cheap overseas labor, and has burdensome legacy costs. I would expect their valuation to be near zero.
Except the part where they have quarterly sales high enough to give GAAP 0.05-0.15/share in return right? They have physical assets, IP, manufacturing base. Do you get why they have market valuation that's considered reliable, compared to twitter which has only IP and produces...nothing. To a market that twitter can't even figure out.
Who really believes the valuations given by these firms that just want someone else to buy them?
Suckers. Nothing more. Look over the last 10 years of all the tech companies that pre-IPO were valued more then companies which had physically manufactured products. Twitter is probably one of the best examples, and at one point was valued more then General Motors. Uber was valued more then Intel. Yeah, nothing but suckers.
Mozilla is infested a lot of problems. Ranging from the "hey, my buddy needs a job -- so we'll just make a job up" type bloat. To the focus on the latest trendy social event everyone has to do something about, which will be forgotten about in 11.83 seconds. Or complete lack of organizational focus, and ignoring what users actually want out of the product.
They're effectively dead at this point, and when you hear normal people say "I regret giving them money." They have a serious problem.
You should let the environmentalists know. You know the same ones that said "Golden rice is poison" which led to the deaths of thousands of people by starvation, and continues to do so. Not to mention preventing thousands of people from developing serious diseases from the inclusion of simple "added vitamins."
Pure fucking cancer, because that's what their view was based on. Not science, but their gut.
Another MRA, looking for any excuse to blame SJWs.
So which ones are currently being played up by the gatekeepers of media, politics, intelligentsia and so on? And have been played up for the better part of a decade now. Right. That's not a "excuse to blame" it's that there's a very heavy push by people living in a bubble trying to push their garbage onto everyone else. It wasn't the right that embraced identity politics, it isn't the right pushing segregation like someone in 1952. It's not MRA's pushing supremacist garbage, and it's not MRA's crying a made-up rape culture. Nor are they the ones crying that men using affirmative action policies will create a climate of fear and rape on campuses either...or ironically enough trying to get it removed.
I'll also point out that it isn't the MRA's standing in Berkeley with ban Free Speech signs either. Though it was social justice warriors, just like their little doxing and harassment bands. Or the numbers of them that have been caught and charged for faking hate crimes.
Yeah you're not really proving any point here for wide spread violence. You know like how that guy in the DNC was paying people to riot in Chicago, and sorry, no that wasn't fake news. It's why he also quit/got canned.
In a country where you die from illness if you're not rich, Internet should not be your priority.
Canada then huh? Because that does happen here. Happens in the UK too, and in many other countries with socialized medicine because healthcare is rationed and in some cases it's rationed so badly that ambulances are turned away from hospitals because the ER shutdown due to funding shortages. If you want to see the wait times for Ontario, you can click here then search by various areas. Seeing half a year for cancer treatment to start, or 200 days for a double bypass isn't uncommon for example.
Let's be realistic. Obamacare is a complete fucking disaster, and if on a scale of 1-whatthefuck it's somewhere around ohfuckweredoomed. Most states by next year will have zero providers, healthcare plans have gone up over 100%. Friends of mine took the penalty because they can't afford the plans that were their other option. You know the $900/mo with $8k deductibles for a family of 4. Going to be interesting here in Canada too, because it appears that the failure of Obamacare and increase in health costs has driven more Americans over the border to get healthcare here at the cost of taxpayers. This was an "issue" in 1993, it's a serious problem now. Depending on who's numbers you want to look at, it's anywhere between 1/8th to 1/3 of the cost of the entire medical budget in each province.
But here's how you fix "slow internet access." You require the last mile to be nationalized. All ISP's pay into the pot for maintenance, and people can pick whatever provider they want to hook up. While we don't have nationalization of the last mile here in Canada for that, leasing the last mile is a requirement here. Many other countries have this as a requirement as well. I can get Teksavvy in Ontario, and I can get it in Alberta. But if it was like how the US is now, or how it was ~10 years ago in Canada. I'd be stuck with Bell, Rogers, or Bell and Rogers.
The first one is a life saver and the last one a permanent risk.
You should pick up a history book then. Because dousing a rag with cider vinegar and covering your face was considered a life saver against the plague and flu. And vaccines were considered a permanent risk.
Group beatings at large protests don't generally get described as "truss them up".
Let's compare shall we? Can we find a tea party protest where that happened...nope. Can we find it where a antifa/leftist/etc group did that...yep. We can even find the cases where those antifa/leftist/anti-trump protestors have assaulted people for wearing hats that look like MAGA hats.
The WHO also tried to declare that people who play video games have mental disorders too. Keep in mind that the garbage pumped out by an inkjet or laser printer in an office environment is worse then the SHA of vaping.
Not even close to true. See how many times Judicial Watch and Legal Insurrection have filed lawsuits for information that's supposed to be public record. There is still standing lawsuits in the courts as holdovers from the Obama administration, and several cases where people in the previous administration have directly refused to turn over information that's public record despite court orders. If you think that the current administration is bad, then the previous one would be right around the blackest of nights, on the darkest of nights in terms of transparency. The Obama administration was very good at showmanship of trying to peddle transparency but that was it.
So if someone turns up to a teabagger protest and lobs a brick through a window, the police should just lock everyone up because those scum failed to prevent it?
If someone turned up at a "teabagger protest" they would simply truss them up and call the police to come and collect them. That's the difference. It might be very difficult with the amount of biases and stereotypes you seem to believe in, but that's what has happened in the past. Just like when those "teabaggers" have held protests, and cleaned up after themselves, and the environmentalists who held a protest the following week made the same area look like a garbage dump.
You should probably fly to the US and experience the differences first hand, rather then what the media is telling you. They're fundamentally different. Just like how the left-leaning pundits tried pulling a "the berkeley riot was started by right-wingers, and the people burning stuff were republicans." Which was then carried on several prominent media outlets...until they were forced to either publish retractions, or they simply let that lie of a narrative fade away without saying anything else.
The vast majority of the political left have no problems with groups like antifa hiding in the ranks all masked up, and assaulting people. The vest majority of the political right have a serious problem with masked people showing up and assaulting people. And before you start the "but look at all those masked right-wing people..." I'll remind you that was in response to the police having been told to stand down, and not protecting them, or arresting those who were assaulting them. Why do you think there are multiple lawsuits against the mayor of berkeley right now? And universities over telling police not to arrest those communist agitators -- and yes, they are communist agitators.
Such things are driven by emotion and ideology rather than any serious concern for health.
Much like other things, from sex and violence, to video games and literature. What's interesting is just who is pushing for the bans these days. I can't speak for your neck of the woods, but in mine it's the liberal-left(liberal party of ontario), who are pushing the "ecigs are just as bad as cigs, if not worse *insert bogus study here, which was actually a questionnaire and not peer reviewed*." On the flip side, the conservatives see it as a money maker to replace cigarettes and cigars with something far more healthy, but can be taxed at a lower rate. And that gives a two-fold effect. First the revenue would remain the same or increase(ecigs are seen to be far more socially acceptable), but the healthcare costs from smoking would significantly be reduced within 10 years.
It's not in the context of the study. This one measured decline of smoking rates over the sample period(about 18 years), including using data from previous smoking survey's, it's society-wide acceptance and prevalence and attempt to quit before ecigs became a thing as well as the attempt to quit and successfully quitting after they became a thing. There are other studies listed in the annotations section that would cover what you're looking for though.
What bothers me, not linked to the study are the number of governments outright banning them or applying the same rules as smoking.
likely, false flaggers. folks who wanted this to 'look bad' and make the protesters sorry they voiced their opinions.
You mean like those peaceful antifa people who beat people over the head with bikelocks, and throw bottles and bricks at people? Yeah it wasn't false flagged, it was deliberate. The same way it was in berkeley, seattle, chicago and so on.
You do know that most if not all modern V8 engines don't run on all cylinders right? They'll run on 2-4 during stop/idle traffic, 3 during highway driving. The only times they'll run on all 8 is when the engine is under heavy load for acceleration or the vehicle is pulling something. GM pioneered that FYI with the northstar series engines in the 1990's, but all manufactures that offer V6 and higher use something similar.
Damn son, put the tinfoil hat down. Women aren't some scary alien thing. Just act like a decent human and you're good.
Don't be an idiot kid. Take a look in the US for example with the title ix complaint system at universities if you want an example in action. Two people hook up, woman decides that she's changed her mind, was pressured by friends to recant because of social status, made a false rape claim for various reasons(like trying to get another person to like her), or she rapes him, or he has proof of such and she's lying. And you'll find those male students thrown out, rail roaded, crucified in the court of public opinion and some go right down that dark path of killing themselves because they see no way out because their entire life is ruined in their early 20's. That's it. There is zero accountability in that system.
Let's look at policing. You're taught to always believe the woman in a case of rape or sexual assault. If it turns out to be false? Charges are almost never laid, because there's the belief that it would stop victims from coming forward. It's only in the very rare cases where a woman has made multiple false claims, is she charged. You can have a case where the accuser is outright lying and the police will not lay a charge.
Didn't the UVA false rape claim teach you anything? Or the several dozen other cases that made the news in the last year? That when someone, anyone has the ability to make a serious claim and bare false witness without repercussions they will. Even ancient Mesopotamia figured that one out.
The opposite should be true. After all, the "woman are wonderful effect" is very well known. Both men and woman have an unconscious pro-bias towards woman as well. Ranging from social to material interests. But you can look all over society and find cases where this isn't true because of the problems it brings.
And those problems? You can thank false allegations, socjus, fake sexual harassment, cases like this or Ellen Pao and the ability of a woman to destroy your career and life over a false claim. I'll bet that nearly every person that reads this comment and is currently working in a corporate environment of some kind has seen the shift where men leave doors open, or have one or more individuals in the same room with them when talking to a woman. There's a reason for it.
And it's to the point where that even if proven false in the court of law that a man's choices are commit suicide or try to work through it, by picking up and moving to another part of the world to try and start over. It's not worth the trouble, and this is a result of people trying to limit and protect themselves from a potential fallout. I'm sure someone is going to bring up a "but it really doesn't destroy them..." No? Find anyone who's been the subject of a false claim, and you'll find a person who's lost friends, family, career, connections, and are ostracized even when innocent, the person recanted, or was dismissed by the courts with prejudice against the accuser.
So yes, it is entirely possible that this will get no formal government response and even less press coverage. Welcome to Trump World.
*insert hashtag activism courtesy of Obama White House* Perfect for social justice advocates and smug millinaials so they can feel good about themselves.
Yeah, this basically means that they're now working like every other retail business in existence.
Well not really. It means that they're working like every shady retail business in existence. In most countries this is illegal to do. It doesn't matter if it's pennies or thousands of dollars difference. Hiking the price before a sale, at least here in Canada falls afoul of federal consumer protection laws and provincial consumer protection laws in every province and territory. If you live in Canada, you should file a complaint. You can do so at this link here. Then click the "complaint form" section or you can call this number: 1-800-348-5358 and file a complaint directly.
The government does investigate this stuff, they do levy fines over it. One of the big problems is, some people don't notice it or believe it's simply the market forces at work. A few years ago, there was an entire chain of gas stations in Quebec for exactly this. And there's currently an investigation into one of the big food chains here in Canada over sale manipulation.
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So? There is nothing magical about "physical manufacturing" that should make a company valuable.
No? Let's look at the previous dotcom crash, and compare it against the current tech bubble. The question you should be asking is, who's going to be getting money to buy your product if you're not manufacturing anything.
GM makes commodity products, competes with cheap overseas labor, and has burdensome legacy costs. I would expect their valuation to be near zero.
Except the part where they have quarterly sales high enough to give GAAP 0.05-0.15/share in return right? They have physical assets, IP, manufacturing base. Do you get why they have market valuation that's considered reliable, compared to twitter which has only IP and produces...nothing. To a market that twitter can't even figure out.
Care to remind me exactly what Facebook is manufacturing?
Marketing data. That's somewhat useful, if you're trying to sell something.
You're probably right. It's simply dumping it all to the page file, and aiming for 3.72GB of memory in use all by itself.
Who really believes the valuations given by these firms that just want someone else to buy them?
Suckers. Nothing more. Look over the last 10 years of all the tech companies that pre-IPO were valued more then companies which had physically manufactured products. Twitter is probably one of the best examples, and at one point was valued more then General Motors. Uber was valued more then Intel. Yeah, nothing but suckers.
Mozilla is infested a lot of problems. Ranging from the "hey, my buddy needs a job -- so we'll just make a job up" type bloat. To the focus on the latest trendy social event everyone has to do something about, which will be forgotten about in 11.83 seconds. Or complete lack of organizational focus, and ignoring what users actually want out of the product.
They're effectively dead at this point, and when you hear normal people say "I regret giving them money." They have a serious problem.
You should let the environmentalists know. You know the same ones that said "Golden rice is poison" which led to the deaths of thousands of people by starvation, and continues to do so. Not to mention preventing thousands of people from developing serious diseases from the inclusion of simple "added vitamins."
Pure fucking cancer, because that's what their view was based on. Not science, but their gut.
Another MRA, looking for any excuse to blame SJWs.
So which ones are currently being played up by the gatekeepers of media, politics, intelligentsia and so on? And have been played up for the better part of a decade now. Right. That's not a "excuse to blame" it's that there's a very heavy push by people living in a bubble trying to push their garbage onto everyone else. It wasn't the right that embraced identity politics, it isn't the right pushing segregation like someone in 1952. It's not MRA's pushing supremacist garbage, and it's not MRA's crying a made-up rape culture. Nor are they the ones crying that men using affirmative action policies will create a climate of fear and rape on campuses either...or ironically enough trying to get it removed.
I'll also point out that it isn't the MRA's standing in Berkeley with ban Free Speech signs either. Though it was social justice warriors, just like their little doxing and harassment bands. Or the numbers of them that have been caught and charged for faking hate crimes.
Yeah you're not really proving any point here for wide spread violence. You know like how that guy in the DNC was paying people to riot in Chicago, and sorry, no that wasn't fake news. It's why he also quit/got canned.
You mean the Bundy group where the FBI agent is now on trial for falsifying evidence?
In a country where you die from illness if you're not rich, Internet should not be your priority.
Canada then huh? Because that does happen here. Happens in the UK too, and in many other countries with socialized medicine because healthcare is rationed and in some cases it's rationed so badly that ambulances are turned away from hospitals because the ER shutdown due to funding shortages. If you want to see the wait times for Ontario, you can click here then search by various areas. Seeing half a year for cancer treatment to start, or 200 days for a double bypass isn't uncommon for example.
Let's be realistic. Obamacare is a complete fucking disaster, and if on a scale of 1-whatthefuck it's somewhere around ohfuckweredoomed. Most states by next year will have zero providers, healthcare plans have gone up over 100%. Friends of mine took the penalty because they can't afford the plans that were their other option. You know the $900/mo with $8k deductibles for a family of 4. Going to be interesting here in Canada too, because it appears that the failure of Obamacare and increase in health costs has driven more Americans over the border to get healthcare here at the cost of taxpayers. This was an "issue" in 1993, it's a serious problem now. Depending on who's numbers you want to look at, it's anywhere between 1/8th to 1/3 of the cost of the entire medical budget in each province.
But here's how you fix "slow internet access." You require the last mile to be nationalized. All ISP's pay into the pot for maintenance, and people can pick whatever provider they want to hook up. While we don't have nationalization of the last mile here in Canada for that, leasing the last mile is a requirement here. Many other countries have this as a requirement as well. I can get Teksavvy in Ontario, and I can get it in Alberta. But if it was like how the US is now, or how it was ~10 years ago in Canada. I'd be stuck with Bell, Rogers, or Bell and Rogers.
The first one is a life saver and the last one a permanent risk.
You should pick up a history book then. Because dousing a rag with cider vinegar and covering your face was considered a life saver against the plague and flu. And vaccines were considered a permanent risk.
Group beatings at large protests don't generally get described as "truss them up".
Let's compare shall we? Can we find a tea party protest where that happened...nope. Can we find it where a antifa/leftist/etc group did that...yep. We can even find the cases where those antifa/leftist/anti-trump protestors have assaulted people for wearing hats that look like MAGA hats.
The WHO also tried to declare that people who play video games have mental disorders too. Keep in mind that the garbage pumped out by an inkjet or laser printer in an office environment is worse then the SHA of vaping.
Not even close to true. See how many times Judicial Watch and Legal Insurrection have filed lawsuits for information that's supposed to be public record. There is still standing lawsuits in the courts as holdovers from the Obama administration, and several cases where people in the previous administration have directly refused to turn over information that's public record despite court orders. If you think that the current administration is bad, then the previous one would be right around the blackest of nights, on the darkest of nights in terms of transparency. The Obama administration was very good at showmanship of trying to peddle transparency but that was it.
So if someone turns up to a teabagger protest and lobs a brick through a window, the police should just lock everyone up because those scum failed to prevent it?
If someone turned up at a "teabagger protest" they would simply truss them up and call the police to come and collect them. That's the difference. It might be very difficult with the amount of biases and stereotypes you seem to believe in, but that's what has happened in the past. Just like when those "teabaggers" have held protests, and cleaned up after themselves, and the environmentalists who held a protest the following week made the same area look like a garbage dump.
You should probably fly to the US and experience the differences first hand, rather then what the media is telling you. They're fundamentally different. Just like how the left-leaning pundits tried pulling a "the berkeley riot was started by right-wingers, and the people burning stuff were republicans." Which was then carried on several prominent media outlets...until they were forced to either publish retractions, or they simply let that lie of a narrative fade away without saying anything else.
The vast majority of the political left have no problems with groups like antifa hiding in the ranks all masked up, and assaulting people. The vest majority of the political right have a serious problem with masked people showing up and assaulting people. And before you start the "but look at all those masked right-wing people..." I'll remind you that was in response to the police having been told to stand down, and not protecting them, or arresting those who were assaulting them. Why do you think there are multiple lawsuits against the mayor of berkeley right now? And universities over telling police not to arrest those communist agitators -- and yes, they are communist agitators.
Such things are driven by emotion and ideology rather than any serious concern for health.
Much like other things, from sex and violence, to video games and literature. What's interesting is just who is pushing for the bans these days. I can't speak for your neck of the woods, but in mine it's the liberal-left(liberal party of ontario), who are pushing the "ecigs are just as bad as cigs, if not worse *insert bogus study here, which was actually a questionnaire and not peer reviewed*." On the flip side, the conservatives see it as a money maker to replace cigarettes and cigars with something far more healthy, but can be taxed at a lower rate. And that gives a two-fold effect. First the revenue would remain the same or increase(ecigs are seen to be far more socially acceptable), but the healthcare costs from smoking would significantly be reduced within 10 years.
It's not in the context of the study. This one measured decline of smoking rates over the sample period(about 18 years), including using data from previous smoking survey's, it's society-wide acceptance and prevalence and attempt to quit before ecigs became a thing as well as the attempt to quit and successfully quitting after they became a thing. There are other studies listed in the annotations section that would cover what you're looking for though.
What bothers me, not linked to the study are the number of governments outright banning them or applying the same rules as smoking.
likely, false flaggers. folks who wanted this to 'look bad' and make the protesters sorry they voiced their opinions.
You mean like those peaceful antifa people who beat people over the head with bikelocks, and throw bottles and bricks at people? Yeah it wasn't false flagged, it was deliberate. The same way it was in berkeley, seattle, chicago and so on.
You do know that most if not all modern V8 engines don't run on all cylinders right? They'll run on 2-4 during stop/idle traffic, 3 during highway driving. The only times they'll run on all 8 is when the engine is under heavy load for acceleration or the vehicle is pulling something. GM pioneered that FYI with the northstar series engines in the 1990's, but all manufactures that offer V6 and higher use something similar.
Damn son, put the tinfoil hat down. Women aren't some scary alien thing. Just act like a decent human and you're good.
Don't be an idiot kid. Take a look in the US for example with the title ix complaint system at universities if you want an example in action. Two people hook up, woman decides that she's changed her mind, was pressured by friends to recant because of social status, made a false rape claim for various reasons(like trying to get another person to like her), or she rapes him, or he has proof of such and she's lying. And you'll find those male students thrown out, rail roaded, crucified in the court of public opinion and some go right down that dark path of killing themselves because they see no way out because their entire life is ruined in their early 20's. That's it. There is zero accountability in that system.
Let's look at policing. You're taught to always believe the woman in a case of rape or sexual assault. If it turns out to be false? Charges are almost never laid, because there's the belief that it would stop victims from coming forward. It's only in the very rare cases where a woman has made multiple false claims, is she charged. You can have a case where the accuser is outright lying and the police will not lay a charge.
Didn't the UVA false rape claim teach you anything? Or the several dozen other cases that made the news in the last year? That when someone, anyone has the ability to make a serious claim and bare false witness without repercussions they will. Even ancient Mesopotamia figured that one out.
The opposite should be true. After all, the "woman are wonderful effect" is very well known. Both men and woman have an unconscious pro-bias towards woman as well. Ranging from social to material interests. But you can look all over society and find cases where this isn't true because of the problems it brings.
And those problems? You can thank false allegations, socjus, fake sexual harassment, cases like this or Ellen Pao and the ability of a woman to destroy your career and life over a false claim. I'll bet that nearly every person that reads this comment and is currently working in a corporate environment of some kind has seen the shift where men leave doors open, or have one or more individuals in the same room with them when talking to a woman. There's a reason for it.
And it's to the point where that even if proven false in the court of law that a man's choices are commit suicide or try to work through it, by picking up and moving to another part of the world to try and start over. It's not worth the trouble, and this is a result of people trying to limit and protect themselves from a potential fallout. I'm sure someone is going to bring up a "but it really doesn't destroy them..." No? Find anyone who's been the subject of a false claim, and you'll find a person who's lost friends, family, career, connections, and are ostracized even when innocent, the person recanted, or was dismissed by the courts with prejudice against the accuser.
So yes, it is entirely possible that this will get no formal government response and even less press coverage. Welcome to Trump World.
*insert hashtag activism courtesy of Obama White House* Perfect for social justice advocates and smug millinaials so they can feel good about themselves.
Sure explains why there's two commonalities between Sweden and the Philippines doesn't it? Both have grenade attacks against churches.
When you're dead, what do you need your brain for?
Yeah, this basically means that they're now working like every other retail business in existence.
Well not really. It means that they're working like every shady retail business in existence. In most countries this is illegal to do. It doesn't matter if it's pennies or thousands of dollars difference. Hiking the price before a sale, at least here in Canada falls afoul of federal consumer protection laws and provincial consumer protection laws in every province and territory. If you live in Canada, you should file a complaint. You can do so at this link here. Then click the "complaint form" section or you can call this number: 1-800-348-5358 and file a complaint directly.
The government does investigate this stuff, they do levy fines over it. One of the big problems is, some people don't notice it or believe it's simply the market forces at work. A few years ago, there was an entire chain of gas stations in Quebec for exactly this. And there's currently an investigation into one of the big food chains here in Canada over sale manipulation.