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"Well, if your environment is really heterogenous, then X isn't much use."
X enables everyone in the office to operate pieces of lab equipment from Windows, Mac and several flavors of *nix. I'd call that heterogeneous, and useful.
As for Tivo, I'm pretty sure they aren't using X. But if they did, I don't see how that would make the system any more hackable.
"If you absolutely need to access a remote GUI application, first, there's probably a better way, and second, if there isn't "thin clients" (which are actually highres dumb terminals, but I digress) are a much more general solution." But by being more general they give up performance and other capabilities. I use VNC and X regularly. They both have their places.
"My caffeine and ritalin levels must be too low -- I can't understand that sentence at all." Lemme try again. Before X, graphics terminals *were* dedicated to the machine they were plugged into. They made X network transparent so that terminals would not be dedicated to a single system. That's what made it an advancement over what they already had.
"If you'd followed the link in my post, you'd know the difference between time-sharing and the multitasking servers that you access over the internet. " Thanks for the link to the wikipedia definition of timesharing. I already knew what timesharing was; I was around in the batch days for crying out loud. I think you are the one who needs a better understanding of what timesharing means.
"It's not just space. X windows is terribly complicated, cludgy, and unreliable." Those are all opinions which I do not share. BTW, the word is 'kludge' or 'kluge' depending on your exact meaning.
"Switching to a simpler GUI technology would drastically improve the strength of desktop Linux and Unix." On the contrary. It would cripple it by making boatloads of apps unavailable.
Re:Terminate the Terminal
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"Well, there is the odd moment when it's a nuisance to not be able to run a remote X application."
For you maybe. I've worked in some very heterogenous environments where X was indispensible. I'd like to see more use of X. For example, I think it would be great if I could redirect the Tivo GUI to my desktop.
"It's worth remembering why X is a network-based system in the first place. The X server software we use now was originally meant to run only on a dedicated terminal."
X is a network based system because it is an advancement over the hardwired graphics systems that preceded it.
"I suspect that the X architects just took it as a given that most computing would always be done on time-sharing systems."
Whaddya call the whole Internet?
I don't see any need to dump X except for when space is at an absolute premium. We had enough to run it 15 years ago; we have more than enough now. The performance complaints only apply to a few apps, and they are handled to my satisfaction by DRI.
Thin client is well suited to remote display over a decent Net connection, but X rules the LAN.
The first two examples you mentioned would be prime targets for investigators on the lookout for laundering and other illegal activities. Even with a more inocuous facade I think you might stand out like sore thumb if you received too much cash thru this system.
IANAMobster but I don't think the idea of money laundering is to hand it to a bank. If the bills are being tracked, the bank/treasury will pick it up. Don't forget, one end of the transaction is traceable.
I probably should have said "maintain" rather than buy. With a migration time of up to 5 years, some contracts (MS, VMWare and other) might have to be renewed. I don't know any of the details. It just seems that as the legacy apps see less and less use that it would be an advantage not to have to maintain it across thousands of desktops.
In a project this size, they're probably trying a little of everything anyway.
Are the licenses tied to the user, or is it just n concurrent sessions? If it's the latter, they could probably share a relatively small number of them.
I've never tried running VMware over X, but that might be another way to share a pool of winboxes.
The advantage over what they're doing is that everyone would have access to the services yet they wouldn't have to buy a license for infrequent users.
They probably know what they're doing, but I find it surprising that they don't move the legacy Windows stuff (that has a nice ring to it) onto a pool of rdesktop servers.
I'm thinking that they could do the opposite. Instead of *nix-on-windows, windows-on-*nix. Think "official MSWine".
With the Net, when they realized that they couldn't kill it, they found a way for their stuff to run ON TOP of it.
Systems get commoditized from the bottom up. MS never cared about the HW because they controlled the OS. They realized that the (layer 3) network didn't really matter because they controlled the browsers. They could easily decide that the "OS" doesn't matter because they control the desktop. All that's important is that their stuff is what the customer interacts with.
Could this be the start of an embrace-and-extend campaign?
Until '94, Gates thought that the world would be connected by MSNet and that the Internet would fade away. When he realized he was wrong, they began implementing extortionware/IP.
Maybe they will offer some of their key technologies on Linux, but only if the user loads some type of software drm module. I dunno, just speculating.
I hope many people take your advice. Who wants to get blood on their hands so that dubya can grab some oil and power? I also hope we don't see another draft. But with things going the way they are, it's likely that enlistment numbers will drop off at the same time that the forces "need" increased numbers.
I feel real sorry for the typical soldier who signed up to defend the US and ended up being a pawn in Bush's Fourth Reich.
If DirecTV loses a few cases because they don't have any evidence that the person used the device illegally, then wouldn't the rest of the cases become frivolous?
Mickey Mouse copyright legislation isn't the only area where the public is getting screwed. FCC regulations are denying us a competetive marketplace for mass media. Something's very wrong when the evening TV news becomes a showcase for the latest Hollywood movie.
I'm all for IP laws as long as they represent the interests of the people. A decade or two of exclusive trade rights ought to be plenty of time reap the harvest of nearly any creation, but 70+ years for a cartoon mouse is ludicrous. Let's just find the decendents of the guy who invented the wheel and award them ownership of GM.
"Revenge of the Red Balloon"
Plot Outline: The Balloon is back... And he's pissed!!! The Red Balloon returns to hunt down the bad little boys (now middle-aged Frenchmen) who popped it in the original classic film 40 years ago. Filmed in Paris.
Do you remember the Orgasmatron in Woody Allen's "Sleeper"?
Miles Monroe: Perform sex? Uh, uh, I don't think I'm up to a performance, but I'll rehearse with you, if you like.
Luna Schlosser: Okay. I just thought you might want to; they have a machine here.
Miles Monroe: Machine?! I'm not getting into that thing. I, I'm strictly a hand operator; you know, I, I... I don't like anything with moving parts that are not my own.
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"Well, if your environment is really heterogenous, then X isn't much use."
X enables everyone in the office to operate pieces of lab equipment from Windows, Mac and several flavors of *nix. I'd call that heterogeneous, and useful.
As for Tivo, I'm pretty sure they aren't using X. But if they did, I don't see how that would make the system any more hackable.
"If you absolutely need to access a remote GUI application, first, there's probably a better way, and second, if there isn't "thin clients" (which are actually highres dumb terminals, but I digress) are a much more general solution."
But by being more general they give up performance and other capabilities. I use VNC and X regularly. They both have their places.
"My caffeine and ritalin levels must be too low -- I can't understand that sentence at all."
Lemme try again. Before X, graphics terminals *were* dedicated to the machine they were plugged into. They made X network transparent so that terminals would not be dedicated to a single system. That's what made it an advancement over what they already had.
"If you'd followed the link in my post, you'd know the difference between time-sharing and the multitasking servers that you access over the internet. "
Thanks for the link to the wikipedia definition of timesharing. I already knew what timesharing was; I was around in the batch days for crying out loud. I think you are the one who needs a better understanding of what timesharing means.
"It's not just space. X windows is terribly complicated, cludgy, and unreliable."
Those are all opinions which I do not share. BTW, the word is 'kludge' or 'kluge' depending on your exact meaning.
"Switching to a simpler GUI technology would drastically improve the strength of desktop Linux and Unix."
On the contrary. It would cripple it by making boatloads of apps unavailable.
"Well, there is the odd moment when it's a nuisance to not be able to run a remote X application."
For you maybe. I've worked in some very heterogenous environments where X was indispensible. I'd like to see more use of X. For example, I think it would be great if I could redirect the Tivo GUI to my desktop.
"It's worth remembering why X is a network-based system in the first place. The X server software we use now was originally meant to run only on a dedicated terminal."
X is a network based system because it is an advancement over the hardwired graphics systems that preceded it.
"I suspect that the X architects just took it as a given that most computing would always be done on time-sharing systems."
Whaddya call the whole Internet?
I don't see any need to dump X except for when space is at an absolute premium. We had enough to run it 15 years ago; we have more than enough now. The performance complaints only apply to a few apps, and they are handled to my satisfaction by DRI.
Thin client is well suited to remote display over a decent Net connection, but X rules the LAN.
The first two examples you mentioned would be prime targets for investigators on the lookout for laundering and other illegal activities. Even with a more inocuous facade I think you might stand out like sore thumb if you received too much cash thru this system.
IANAMobster but I don't think the idea of money laundering is to hand it to a bank. If the bills are being tracked, the bank/treasury will pick it up. Don't forget, one end of the transaction is traceable.
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An ocean of circuitry
But what time is it?
I probably should have said "maintain" rather than buy. With a migration time of up to 5 years, some contracts (MS, VMWare and other) might have to be renewed. I don't know any of the details. It just seems that as the legacy apps see less and less use that it would be an advantage not to have to maintain it across thousands of desktops.
In a project this size, they're probably trying a little of everything anyway.
Are the licenses tied to the user, or is it just n concurrent sessions? If it's the latter, they could probably share a relatively small number of them.
I've never tried running VMware over X, but that might be another way to share a pool of winboxes.
The advantage over what they're doing is that everyone would have access to the services yet they wouldn't have to buy a license for infrequent users.
Samba would be the obvious choice.
Those are the same folks who drive around all winter with summer air in their tires.
They probably know what they're doing, but I find it surprising that they don't move the legacy Windows stuff (that has a nice ring to it) onto a pool of rdesktop servers.
look like Groucho Marx?
Well, like some morons said in the Toshiba laptop article, it might cost them $0.15 and ruin the profit margin.
Including bicylces and mp3 jukeboxes makes sense though.
I'm thinking that they could do the opposite. Instead of *nix-on-windows, windows-on-*nix. Think "official MSWine".
With the Net, when they realized that they couldn't kill it, they found a way for their stuff to run ON TOP of it.
Systems get commoditized from the bottom up. MS never cared about the HW because they controlled the OS. They realized that the (layer 3) network didn't really matter because they controlled the browsers. They could easily decide that the "OS" doesn't matter because they control the desktop. All that's important is that their stuff is what the customer interacts with.
Could this be the start of an embrace-and-extend campaign?
Until '94, Gates thought that the world would be connected by MSNet and that the Internet would fade away. When he realized he was wrong, they began implementing extortionware/IP.
Maybe they will offer some of their key technologies on Linux, but only if the user loads some type of software drm module. I dunno, just speculating.
"so you're scared shitless of it."
Said the AC.
"Dont enlist."
I hope many people take your advice. Who wants to get blood on their hands so that dubya can grab some oil and power? I also hope we don't see another draft. But with things going the way they are, it's likely that enlistment numbers will drop off at the same time that the forces "need" increased numbers.
I feel real sorry for the typical soldier who signed up to defend the US and ended up being a pawn in Bush's Fourth Reich.
You might like this one: Dixie Chick hearing
Ralph Nader made some interesting observations about the proposed changes.
If DirecTV loses a few cases because they don't have any evidence that the person used the device illegally, then wouldn't the rest of the cases become frivolous?
It sounds like you have a configuration problem. Is the drive running in DMA mode? 24x writing uses 10% of my Athlon 800.
Mickey Mouse copyright legislation isn't the only area where the public is getting screwed. FCC regulations are denying us a competetive marketplace for mass media. Something's very wrong when the evening TV news becomes a showcase for the latest Hollywood movie.
(4 minute video) Nader for president!
I'm all for IP laws as long as they represent the interests of the people. A decade or two of exclusive trade rights ought to be plenty of time reap the harvest of nearly any creation, but 70+ years for a cartoon mouse is ludicrous. Let's just find the decendents of the guy who invented the wheel and award them ownership of GM.
"Revenge of the Red Balloon" Plot Outline: The Balloon is back... And he's pissed!!! The Red Balloon returns to hunt down the bad little boys (now middle-aged Frenchmen) who popped it in the original classic film 40 years ago. Filmed in Paris.
Do you remember the Orgasmatron in Woody Allen's "Sleeper"?
Miles Monroe: Perform sex? Uh, uh, I don't think I'm up to a performance, but I'll rehearse with you, if you like.
Luna Schlosser: Okay. I just thought you might want to; they have a machine here.
Miles Monroe: Machine?! I'm not getting into that thing. I, I'm strictly a hand operator; you know, I, I... I don't like anything with moving parts that are not my own.
Customer: It BSODs when I do [this].
Support: Hmm, lemme try on my machine... uh could you call back?
I'd probably set up a couple VMware servers for the scenario you describe.