So when does the dead pool on Mr Velenti start and can I have the day after whenever a bill passes saying I have to have certified DRM in my computer, AND, the day that Stallman is DoS'ed as a result of this bill.
I don't know about other shops but I can tell you that in working for 4 different military organiztions there is only one reliable way to audit your computers; count them. that means eyeballs on hardware. Now how much harder is it to count them all vs count them all by type (pc, mac, sun, etc). It just isn't that much harder, I know cause I've done both. No matter how big or small the organization is you ultimatly have to put eyeballs on hardware to be sure you are counting right.
so to say that doing an all enclusive, per processor, license is good cause it saves time is just not true.
Your one mistake however is that military overseas votes are ALLOWED to be sent in after the deadline and are ALLOWED to not be post marked. Hate to break it to you but as far as conspiracy modivation goes it can be pointed at the absentee military votes, typically republican voters, were disallowed in an attempt by the democates.
Now as to the comments about the black votes etc I have no comment because I do not know the facts, or even the FUD:) I will say that the law does howver say that, regardless of color, absentee ballots must be in on time and postmarked correctly. So again, other than proof of racially biased enforcement of the rule (where there white absentee votes that weren't counted???) there is nothing wrong with not counting those votes. But there was absolutely nothing wrong with counting those military votes. But there was something wrong with trying to not count them all and with actually still not counting many of them in the end.
White LED's have come a LONG way. They now actually sell several different WLED's that have varying tempreture ratings to them. From soft white to the very blueish light you mention.
As for the WLED's not being produced in that country... so what. Eventually someone WILL build a plant there when they realize the tremendous demand that has been created. Then as people aren't running around collecting fire wood, or sitting around in the dark they can actually then BE educated by reading etc.
"Kids won't be encourged to learn under those annoying white light" Um how do you know. Maybe it is only annoying to "us" because we are used to using innefficient incandescent bulbs. And you would rather us give them those rather than LED's? So instead of giving them one of our imperialist invenetions that is usable with their meager power production capacity you would rather us give them one that sucks every available bit of juice they have. Riiiiight that is good thinking.
[scratches head] and for sure there is NO ONE out there who might perhaps also do the same thing with the media to make the US look bad? no no no that isn't possible at all. If it is anti-US is MUST be true.
Look I'm not saying there isn't a ton of media spin going on on this side of the conflict but don't delude yourself for a second into thinking it isn't going on the otherside as well.
5% ??? trust me I know that is not a true fact. Do I know the real number? No, but it is not 5% and no it isn't 6% either.
a bad password can be guessed, a card can't a password can be brute forced, a card can but it is much harder a password can be shoulder surfed with simple tools (the eyes), a card can be sniffed with much more complex tools (RF reciever) a password much be remembered, a card must be possesed
There is a signifigant difference between the two in that guessing or obtaining the password in the card is much harder than the password in your head. that is why the card is considered something you have versus something you know.
Call this a troll call this whatever you want. I'm not an athiest, I'm an agnostic in the true spirit of its definition.
ALL RELIGIONS ARE CULTS. Scientoligy holds no unique position in cult status.
You can't use money as a differentiator because we all know that the majority, if not all, of the christian based religions in some way request a tithe. Sure some may not "demand" it but I have seen first hand through friends how they can be treated when they don't tithe as much as expected.
I admit ignorance of the monetary aspect of any other religion though I think most eastern religions don't include money in the mix, and if they happen to practice the giving up of material possesions they don't advocate giving them up in to the leaders pockets.
Or you can look at it another way. The word cult is really just a word made up by established religions to bebunk new/less popular/disagreeing religons. So rather than use a negative word like cult we can be more nuetral and say anything that a single person believes in is a religion even if they are the only one.
THEN we can differentiate between the religions that have almost obvious motives of converting everyone to their thinking and those that are tolerant, and those that require giving large sums of money to the church for it's own coffers and those that either don't ask for money at all or those that collect it and it goes to serving the needy.
I leave that final distinctions as an exorcise for the reader.
I always get a kick out of seeing how nitch things find their way into mass culture. In this case making analogies between meat-space and cyber-space. Leaving the door unlocked, the crow-bar (horrible I might add), etc.
Like once in an official Air Force performance report I read someone wrote that a troop was a "true McGyver" and I thought that was funny that McGyver has so become a topic for analogy.
Well the point I'm crawling towards is I wonder how long it will be before people (not geek-types) start using cyber-topics as analogies.
Anyone have any examples of things that originated in geek-dome but have pervaded their way into analogies and comparisons used by everyday folk?
Sounds like a statement I very much believe in about guns. Yet for some reason I feel it isn't quite as simple. I liken the scenario (closing a relay) to putting a lock on a gun to prevent a child from getting their little hands on it and shooting someone/themselves. So too is closing a relay.
But then again the difference is that an open relay does have legitimate non-spamming uses. Again sorta sounds like an argument often made for mp3, napster etc. Things which I also feel should not be shut down.
I don't think there is a 100% correct answer but I will defend my position that open relays should be closed by saying: closing open relays has the potential to signifigantly prevent bad things from happening (spam and virii) while ultimatly not preventing much of anything legitamate from being done. Much like a lock on the aforementioned gun doesn't prevent you from hunting or self-defense. so IMO relays should be closed. Of course we all know what my opinion is worth:)
Well I'm not sure if I can totally disassociate what I'm about to say with the idea that I do agree that as a whole I would rather the internet were left "on" rather than having parts of it shut off.
But to speak generally to your statement that what is being done isn't right because it makes life for you a bit more difficult:
Well that is sort of the point. The idea is that eventually the folks who don't have a stake in the offending activity (spam in this case) and who don't feel that it is all that bad, might realize how offending it is to others and do something about it.
So now not only am I calling for the end of open relays but so are your. Of course it does in effect boil down to a form of black mail which as I'm writing this I have a bit of a problem with. But the idea is that it forces people who might otherwise be dispassionate about a subject to become passionate.
Your comments bring up a question: What is the relationship with current broadcast radio and the growing satelite radio movement? And how are the satelite folks tied in with the RIAA? Will we see yet another Payola problem?
These aren't entirely rhetorical... does anyone know if perhaps satelite radio might just be a reprive from all this?
Similarly my one reason for listening to the radio is the amount of info I get on things like concerts (small local ones), local happenings, etc and the overall "live" feeling from having those radio-personalities. That is one reason why I don't do much CD-mix making and playing in my car. I think that is the case for many people... sooo I wonder how I will like it listening to a radio feed that is missing all that. I guess it at least removes the effort on my part to produce the mix but I'm not sure I'll like the loss of the local info [shrug] I guess I'll just have to read the local underground rags a bit more carefully and sift through all the "happenings" listings [ugh]
Not exactly correct. The US attitude is not that you can love your country but demand the overthrow of it's governement.
In fact we are very much not about that given that when talking about our governement it really also parses out to mean our FORM of government as outlined by the US constitution. A document that expressly defines the way citizens may "overthrow" the PERSONS in positions in the governement to get rid of ones they don't like while still maintaining the basic framework/form of government laid out by the constitution.
THAT is what is possibly different compared to some other countries *especially* during the first half of the century (and earlier) where the form of governement was dictated by the PERSON in government; dictatorships, monarchies, etc.
But lets not forget either that coutries like russia have a strong tie to the rodina, or motherland, but not so much to the people/government in power. I would see that as a prime example of a culture that seems to at least, back then, differntiate between loyalty to country versus loyalty towards government.
Obviously all of this is less so the case now but not completly when looking at some of the south west asian (aka middle east) states as well as african states where a clear cut voted-in-by-the-people governement does not exist.
To further bolster your argument, and show the falicy of the parent... Let us consider automotive TESTING other wise termed BENCHMARKING.
When a magazine takes a car out to a testing ground to give us such benchmarks as 0-60 60-0, 1/4mile and handling numbers... those are benchmarks. And yet the automakers have absolutely no "right" to prevent that from happening. Of course they also do not have to provide an early free sample of the car either and they are free to publish their own results to counter the original review.
So how come anyone thinks a software maker has the right to prevent benchamrking of their products. Of course test conditions of cars can effect results; that is why any REPUTABLE rag will define the test parameters. Just like any reputible software rag will also define the test conditions. Almost every decent hardware site I know of defines the test conditions and anyone reading a review where the test conditions aren't defined should wonder about the credibility of the report.
Just because you are MS, Oracle, et al doesn't mean you have some devine right of Untouchability.
As an American I take great offense to that comment. The US does in fact shoot sunshine out of our collective posteriors. It is the result of our politicians blowing so much smoke up there in the first place. Has to come out sometime:)
Also I know for SURE that my Zyxel is able to spoof the MAC address reported by your NIC should it be required. They specfically mention that it is useful when [paraphrase] your provider expects to see a certain MAC address intially set-up during install.
The problem with doing this in the US would be they would likely lose their common-carrier status by virtue of doing the scanning. Then they can be liable for the content running through their service.
At least that is how I understand it. Then again things like DCMA, et al seem to be able to make EVERYONE worried that they will be sued no matter their common-carrier status or not.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it possible to adjust TTL at the NAT to prevent packets from dieing an early death as they traverse your LAN to the NAT and then to the outside world?
I could have sworn I saw that option in my Zyxel router. If it doesn't exist now it can certainly be added
An exageration of the truth? You mean like all cd-r's are used to copy music illegally? or that all MP3 by virtue of being an MP3 is an illegal copy? or that every cd-r drive is used to make an illegal copy? or that things like DECSS are the equivilent of a digital crow bar used to open the door to illegal copying. forget that physical crow bars AREN'T ILLEGAL!
Obviously I'm not yelling at you, your point is true but we do need a bit of exageration and certinaly to point out theres.
OH DEAR... and to think all this time I've been nothing but an unwilling pawn in the racist machine by wearing a sensible, not-overpriced, non-child-labor produced shoe. Oh what am I to do.:)
As a heavy modder of my own 97 OBD-II computer controlled car I can say without a doubt that it is now EASIER to hack a car then ever. Before when you wanted to do a change to the car which might effect mixture (it seemed like EVERYTHING effected it) you had to go through the effort to rejet the carb and even then it was a compromise between running the ragged edge of destruction and being fast. You had to worry about weather changes, altitude changes, etc
Now with computer control the variables are handled, changing fuel ratio is as easy as tuning a knob or changing a parm in a laptop.
Sure it requires a different set of tools, tools which might make the average greese monkey who has never worked on anything more moden then a carbed 5.0 motor cring in fear, but the fact is the data that is available via the ECU, and the ease with which engine parms can be changed is way better then before. Modern diagnostics make troubleshooting disturbingly easy.
And lets not forget the actual engines themselves are not all that different. The only "new" fangled thing is variable cam timing and even that is still just a "variation" hehe of a theme. you still have to get air in, and as much of it as possible, inject the right amount of fuel, ignite the spark at the right time, and get rid of all the burnt gas.
In the old days you could only make course adjustments that effected the entire operating range of the motor. And you can still do that today. But today you also have the ability to optimize the entire range of operation with no sacrifices. Some might call the complicated, I call that elegance and simplicity because now I can just do what I want and not have to think about striking a balance.
No. Cars are EASIER today then they were 15 years ago. When I can spend $95 on a Palm M100 and $165 on a cable and software to be able to interface with my cars computer don't tell me it is too expensive either. Just admit that you aren't willing to learn something new and you can't think outside your own self-imposed box. Cause it isn't that complicated and the basic principles of an internal combustion engine haven't changed.
Hell I know guys who are able to mod their cars to go fast who I know darn well couldn't work on a carb, or time a distributor to save their life. But they sure can punch a number into a laptop.
No you do NOT have that right if your being hacked results in my personal / financial information being stolen. Double that if it is the direct result of willful neglect. Technically we don't even need a new law as it could be deemed Criminal Negligence but IANAL so I don't know if that only applies to something that would cause physical harm. In that case an ammedment would sufice.
But don't tell me that because it is your company that you have the right to do whatever you want when the results of that will impact me.
Good counter point. And what most posts have been saying is that anyone who is dealing in personal information (which could aide in identity theft) or financial information (which could aide in monetery theft) should be held accountable and regulated. Much like another poster mentioned when talking about the Banking industry, both physical and software sides.
So, taking your comment into consideration, which I do see being a good point, it would seem to be that companies dealing in software that is used for such purposes should be regulated. That would mean having a version that is "Certified to comply with blah Regulation" and another that isn't. Obviously the price would be higher just like the price for current, regulation adhering bank software is likely more expensive. That IS part of the cost of doing buisiness where failure isn't an option, kinda like how airplanes have much stricter regulations then cars >:-)
But lets not forget basic consumer protection which doesn't have to extend fully into the security areana. If I buy an item with my money it should damn well work. I don't care that the company tries to disavow any responsibility in their barely legally binding EULA and I think there should be some legal guidlines set forth limiting such statements that claim to eliminate liability. You know like how Limited Warranties are not legal in some states and the little card you get even says so.
So while I agree that with respect to security demands, what is behind the door should be the more critical driving factor, I also think that basic consumer protection of the operation of my system needs to also be an issue. And hence I realate back to my previous comment that it might very well require a version of the software that is more stringently tested and thus "Certified" while another is less so. Sorta like how you have FreeBSD Stable versus Current. They are the same base core but one is considered more robust due to testing.
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So when does the dead pool on Mr Velenti start and can I have the day after whenever a bill passes saying I have to have certified DRM in my computer, AND, the day that Stallman is DoS'ed as a result of this bill.
So does this now make it easier for governments to limit their citizens ability to get information than ever before?
/. before???
As well as any other of the many geography based rules, laws, taxes, restrictions, etc that we have seen talked about on
I don't know about other shops but I can tell you that in working for 4 different military organiztions there is only one reliable way to audit your computers; count them. that means eyeballs on hardware. Now how much harder is it to count them all vs count them all by type (pc, mac, sun, etc). It just isn't that much harder, I know cause I've done both. No matter how big or small the organization is you ultimatly have to put eyeballs on hardware to be sure you are counting right.
so to say that doing an all enclusive, per processor, license is good cause it saves time is just not true.
Your one mistake however is that military overseas votes are ALLOWED to be sent in after the deadline and are ALLOWED to not be post marked. Hate to break it to you but as far as conspiracy modivation goes it can be pointed at the absentee military votes, typically republican voters, were disallowed in an attempt by the democates.
:) I will say that the law does howver say that, regardless of color, absentee ballots must be in on time and postmarked correctly. So again, other than proof of racially biased enforcement of the rule (where there white absentee votes that weren't counted???) there is nothing wrong with not counting those votes. But there was absolutely nothing wrong with counting those military votes. But there was something wrong with trying to not count them all and with actually still not counting many of them in the end.
Now as to the comments about the black votes etc I have no comment because I do not know the facts, or even the FUD
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White LED's have come a LONG way. They now actually sell several different WLED's that have varying tempreture ratings to them. From soft white to the very blueish light you mention.
... so what. Eventually someone WILL build a plant there when they realize the tremendous demand that has been created. Then as people aren't running around collecting fire wood, or sitting around in the dark they can actually then BE educated by reading etc.
As for the WLED's not being produced in that country
"Kids won't be encourged to learn under those annoying white light" Um how do you know. Maybe it is only annoying to "us" because we are used to using innefficient incandescent bulbs. And you would rather us give them those rather than LED's? So instead of giving them one of our imperialist invenetions that is usable with their meager power production capacity you would rather us give them one that sucks every available bit of juice they have. Riiiiight that is good thinking.
[scratches head] and for sure there is NO ONE out there who might perhaps also do the same thing with the media to make the US look bad? no no no that isn't possible at all. If it is anti-US is MUST be true.
Look I'm not saying there isn't a ton of media spin going on on this side of the conflict but don't delude yourself for a second into thinking it isn't going on the otherside as well.
5% ??? trust me I know that is not a true fact. Do I know the real number? No, but it is not 5% and no it isn't 6% either.
a bad password can be guessed, a card can't
a password can be brute forced, a card can but it is much harder
a password can be shoulder surfed with simple tools (the eyes), a card can be sniffed with much more complex tools (RF reciever)
a password much be remembered, a card must be possesed
There is a signifigant difference between the two in that guessing or obtaining the password in the card is much harder than the password in your head. that is why the card is considered something you have versus something you know.
Call this a troll call this whatever you want. I'm not an athiest, I'm an agnostic in the true spirit of its definition.
ALL RELIGIONS ARE CULTS. Scientoligy holds no unique position in cult status.
You can't use money as a differentiator because we all know that the majority, if not all, of the christian based religions in some way request a tithe. Sure some may not "demand" it but I have seen first hand through friends how they can be treated when they don't tithe as much as expected.
I admit ignorance of the monetary aspect of any other religion though I think most eastern religions don't include money in the mix, and if they happen to practice the giving up of material possesions they don't advocate giving them up in to the leaders pockets.
Or you can look at it another way. The word cult is really just a word made up by established religions to bebunk new/less popular/disagreeing religons. So rather than use a negative word like cult we can be more nuetral and say anything that a single person believes in is a religion even if they are the only one.
THEN we can differentiate between the religions that have almost obvious motives of converting everyone to their thinking and those that are tolerant, and those that require giving large sums of money to the church for it's own coffers and those that either don't ask for money at all or those that collect it and it goes to serving the needy.
I leave that final distinctions as an exorcise for the reader.
I always get a kick out of seeing how nitch things find their way into mass culture. In this case making analogies between meat-space and cyber-space. Leaving the door unlocked, the crow-bar (horrible I might add), etc.
Like once in an official Air Force performance report I read someone wrote that a troop was a "true McGyver" and I thought that was funny that McGyver has so become a topic for analogy.
Well the point I'm crawling towards is I wonder how long it will be before people (not geek-types) start using cyber-topics as analogies.
Anyone have any examples of things that originated in geek-dome but have pervaded their way into analogies and comparisons used by everyday folk?
Spammers cause spam.
:)
Sounds like a statement I very much believe in about guns. Yet for some reason I feel it isn't quite as simple. I liken the scenario (closing a relay) to putting a lock on a gun to prevent a child from getting their little hands on it and shooting someone/themselves. So too is closing a relay.
But then again the difference is that an open relay does have legitimate non-spamming uses. Again sorta sounds like an argument often made for mp3, napster etc. Things which I also feel should not be shut down.
I don't think there is a 100% correct answer but I will defend my position that open relays should be closed by saying: closing open relays has the potential to signifigantly prevent bad things from happening (spam and virii) while ultimatly not preventing much of anything legitamate from being done. Much like a lock on the aforementioned gun doesn't prevent you from hunting or self-defense. so IMO relays should be closed. Of course we all know what my opinion is worth
Well I'm not sure if I can totally disassociate what I'm about to say with the idea that I do agree that as a whole I would rather the internet were left "on" rather than having parts of it shut off.
But to speak generally to your statement that what is being done isn't right because it makes life for you a bit more difficult:
Well that is sort of the point. The idea is that eventually the folks who don't have a stake in the offending activity (spam in this case) and who don't feel that it is all that bad, might realize how offending it is to others and do something about it.
So now not only am I calling for the end of open relays but so are your. Of course it does in effect boil down to a form of black mail which as I'm writing this I have a bit of a problem with. But the idea is that it forces people who might otherwise be dispassionate about a subject to become passionate.
Your comments bring up a question: What is the relationship with current broadcast radio and the growing satelite radio movement? And how are the satelite folks tied in with the RIAA? Will we see yet another Payola problem?
... does anyone know if perhaps satelite radio might just be a reprive from all this?
... sooo I wonder how I will like it listening to a radio feed that is missing all that. I guess it at least removes the effort on my part to produce the mix but I'm not sure I'll like the loss of the local info [shrug] I guess I'll just have to read the local underground rags a bit more carefully and sift through all the "happenings" listings [ugh]
These aren't entirely rhetorical
Similarly my one reason for listening to the radio is the amount of info I get on things like concerts (small local ones), local happenings, etc and the overall "live" feeling from having those radio-personalities. That is one reason why I don't do much CD-mix making and playing in my car. I think that is the case for many people
Not exactly correct. The US attitude is not that you can love your country but demand the overthrow of it's governement.
:)
In fact we are very much not about that given that when talking about our governement it really also parses out to mean our FORM of government as outlined by the US constitution. A document that expressly defines the way citizens may "overthrow" the PERSONS in positions in the governement to get rid of ones they don't like while still maintaining the basic framework/form of government laid out by the constitution.
THAT is what is possibly different compared to some other countries *especially* during the first half of the century (and earlier) where the form of governement was dictated by the PERSON in government; dictatorships, monarchies, etc.
But lets not forget either that coutries like russia have a strong tie to the rodina, or motherland, but not so much to the people/government in power. I would see that as a prime example of a culture that seems to at least, back then, differntiate between loyalty to country versus loyalty towards government.
Obviously all of this is less so the case now but not completly when looking at some of the south west asian (aka middle east) states as well as african states where a clear cut voted-in-by-the-people governement does not exist.
At least that is my feeling on the subject
To further bolster your argument, and show the falicy of the parent ... Let us consider automotive TESTING other wise termed BENCHMARKING.
... those are benchmarks. And yet the automakers have absolutely no "right" to prevent that from happening. Of course they also do not have to provide an early free sample of the car either and they are free to publish their own results to counter the original review.
When a magazine takes a car out to a testing ground to give us such benchmarks as 0-60 60-0, 1/4mile and handling numbers
So how come anyone thinks a software maker has the right to prevent benchamrking of their products. Of course test conditions of cars can effect results; that is why any REPUTABLE rag will define the test parameters. Just like any reputible software rag will also define the test conditions. Almost every decent hardware site I know of defines the test conditions and anyone reading a review where the test conditions aren't defined should wonder about the credibility of the report.
Just because you are MS, Oracle, et al doesn't mean you have some devine right of Untouchability.
As an American I take great offense to that comment. The US does in fact shoot sunshine out of our collective posteriors. It is the result of our politicians blowing so much smoke up there in the first place. Has to come out sometime :)
Also I know for SURE that my Zyxel is able to spoof the MAC address reported by your NIC should it be required. They specfically mention that it is useful when [paraphrase] your provider expects to see a certain MAC address intially set-up during install.
Cable Co. can most certainly clamp down on a single modems bandwidth. Many of them do such as here in Las Vegas. So really that is a non-issue
The problem with doing this in the US would be they would likely lose their common-carrier status by virtue of doing the scanning. Then they can be liable for the content running through their service.
At least that is how I understand it. Then again things like DCMA, et al seem to be able to make EVERYONE worried that they will be sued no matter their common-carrier status or not.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it possible to adjust TTL at the NAT to prevent packets from dieing an early death as they traverse your LAN to the NAT and then to the outside world?
I could have sworn I saw that option in my Zyxel router. If it doesn't exist now it can certainly be added
An exageration of the truth? You mean like all cd-r's are used to copy music illegally? or that all MP3 by virtue of being an MP3 is an illegal copy? or that every cd-r drive is used to make an illegal copy? or that things like DECSS are the equivilent of a digital crow bar used to open the door to illegal copying. forget that physical crow bars AREN'T ILLEGAL!
Obviously I'm not yelling at you, your point is true but we do need a bit of exageration and certinaly to point out theres.
OH DEAR ... and to think all this time I've been nothing but an unwilling pawn in the racist machine by wearing a sensible, not-overpriced, non-child-labor produced shoe. Oh what am I to do. :)
Samba's are also an awasome soccer shoe and they are black. That seems pretty racially positive to me :)
As a heavy modder of my own 97 OBD-II computer controlled car I can say without a doubt that it is now EASIER to hack a car then ever. Before when you wanted to do a change to the car which might effect mixture (it seemed like EVERYTHING effected it) you had to go through the effort to rejet the carb and even then it was a compromise between running the ragged edge of destruction and being fast. You had to worry about weather changes, altitude changes, etc
Now with computer control the variables are handled, changing fuel ratio is as easy as tuning a knob or changing a parm in a laptop.
Sure it requires a different set of tools, tools which might make the average greese monkey who has never worked on anything more moden then a carbed 5.0 motor cring in fear, but the fact is the data that is available via the ECU, and the ease with which engine parms can be changed is way better then before. Modern diagnostics make troubleshooting disturbingly easy.
And lets not forget the actual engines themselves are not all that different. The only "new" fangled thing is variable cam timing and even that is still just a "variation" hehe of a theme. you still have to get air in, and as much of it as possible, inject the right amount of fuel, ignite the spark at the right time, and get rid of all the burnt gas.
In the old days you could only make course adjustments that effected the entire operating range of the motor. And you can still do that today. But today you also have the ability to optimize the entire range of operation with no sacrifices. Some might call the complicated, I call that elegance and simplicity because now I can just do what I want and not have to think about striking a balance.
No. Cars are EASIER today then they were 15 years ago. When I can spend $95 on a Palm M100 and $165 on a cable and software to be able to interface with my cars computer don't tell me it is too expensive either. Just admit that you aren't willing to learn something new and you can't think outside your own self-imposed box. Cause it isn't that complicated and the basic principles of an internal combustion engine haven't changed.
Hell I know guys who are able to mod their cars to go fast who I know darn well couldn't work on a carb, or time a distributor to save their life. But they sure can punch a number into a laptop.
No you do NOT have that right if your being hacked results in my personal / financial information being stolen. Double that if it is the direct result of willful neglect. Technically we don't even need a new law as it could be deemed Criminal Negligence but IANAL so I don't know if that only applies to something that would cause physical harm. In that case an ammedment would sufice.
But don't tell me that because it is your company that you have the right to do whatever you want when the results of that will impact me.
Good counter point. And what most posts have been saying is that anyone who is dealing in personal information (which could aide in identity theft) or financial information (which could aide in monetery theft) should be held accountable and regulated. Much like another poster mentioned when talking about the Banking industry, both physical and software sides.
So, taking your comment into consideration, which I do see being a good point, it would seem to be that companies dealing in software that is used for such purposes should be regulated. That would mean having a version that is "Certified to comply with blah Regulation" and another that isn't. Obviously the price would be higher just like the price for current, regulation adhering bank software is likely more expensive. That IS part of the cost of doing buisiness where failure isn't an option, kinda like how airplanes have much stricter regulations then cars >:-)
But lets not forget basic consumer protection which doesn't have to extend fully into the security areana. If I buy an item with my money it should damn well work. I don't care that the company tries to disavow any responsibility in their barely legally binding EULA and I think there should be some legal guidlines set forth limiting such statements that claim to eliminate liability. You know like how Limited Warranties are not legal in some states and the little card you get even says so.
So while I agree that with respect to security demands, what is behind the door should be the more critical driving factor, I also think that basic consumer protection of the operation of my system needs to also be an issue. And hence I realate back to my previous comment that it might very well require a version of the software that is more stringently tested and thus "Certified" while another is less so. Sorta like how you have FreeBSD Stable versus Current. They are the same base core but one is considered more robust due to testing.