Really? Have you seen the board of director's list for Creative Commons? It reads like a who's-who list of Open Source-supporting IP lawyers, including Lawrence Lessig, James Boyle, and Eric Saltzman. And Creative Commons licenses aren't just BSD-licenses. They have licenses with features VERY much like GPL. They also have BSD-like licenses. It's your choice. You decide.
Wiley's closing down Open Content, because he thinks Creative Commons is doing a better job and making his group somewhat obsolete. He's joining Creative Commons, so its not like he's changed his mind or has stopped working on the goals Open Content provided.
It's kind of sad to see it go, but I have to agree with Wiley -- and I know I'm going to piss off a WHOLE bunch of people when I say this -- I think Creative Commons is a better approach, and I think it's even a better approach than GPL/LGPL. The licenses are worded in a very common sense fashion, written by a team of IP experts, and give *you* the flexibility in determining what features you do and do not want in a license. It makes licensing a no-brainer for the software developer (or content developer) that doesn't spend so much time worrying about the license.
Educational games -- have you checked out the edutainment packages in KDE 3.1 yet? It's not a full replacement for everything available on Windows, but it's a start.
As a Linux user myself for many years I now see the sideeffects of Open Source myself and started to eye for alternative Operating Systems such as MorphOS (Pegasos), MacOSX, BeOS Zeta and Microsoft Windows. There are various reasons for me to do this.
Nah, scratch what I said earlier. *This* guy is a SCO plant.;)
Thank you sir! I felt that the answer was probably a little of both. Yes, rock solid messaging *is* the reason a BBS project would make a good groupware system. And I always felt the choice of Berkely DB was an excellent one in terms speed and stability, although I have to wonder why you didn't make it easier on yourselves by using one of the SQL-oriented DB's like MySQL or PostgreSQL. But I'll bet the peformance difference of Berkely DB with no query layer, vs. MySQL or PostgreSQL would be *huge* on a large-scale messaging system.:)
Again, thanks for answering my questions, and I have (or at least had, I haven't used it in a while) an account on Uncensored, so maybe I'll stop over there to chat!;) Thanks!
No, I haven't used Linux, but a great many argument I've read and agree with have to be usability and nativity to the platform. If Linux isn't native to anything, then who uses it on what? When will standards be developed?
Au contraire! Linux is native to *every* platform it runs on.
It's important to note that the Linux kernel, along with the pieces of GNU system that you need to run with it (gcc, glibc, GNU toolchain, etc.) are written in C, which is a mostly portable language. Some parts of the kernel were written in assembler, although I *think* that has changed, and those parts originally had to be ported to each processor, but again, I think this has changed.
In any respect, Linux is ported to each processor it runs on. Most of the work done in porting Linux to a new platform involves porting gcc and glibc, and then optimizing the kernel and those pieces to run well on that platform, including doing obvious stuff like moving from 32-bit to 64-bit, little endian vs. big endian, etc., but other things including optimizing for the way that that platform handles memory, for instance, optimizing pieces that are timing critical, and writing device drivers for different pieces of the I/O system, etc. (I've never done the work myself, so if I've missed something, hopefully someone more capable than myself will point that out, but this is basically the process as I understand it)
So there you have it...Linux is native on every platform it runs on.
When high level folks like this leave, its usually because someone is giving them money to go off and do their own thing under a different banner/console.
That or Vivendi is paying them to leave and to keep their mouths shut. In any case, we'll likely know the truth in the days to come (if only by their silence).
In addition to what TobySmurf said (all of which is true), it's not fair to call Windows CE and Windows NT/2000/XP the same OS. The two systems are entirely different codebases. Even the APIs have signficant differences.
Admittedly, while NetBSD *does* provides support for a wide range of processor platforms, it's still not as scalable as Linux, and hasn't been ported to nearly as many devices in a useable form. Not that I'm trivializing NetBSD -- it is very scalable and runs on a lot of stuff -- but Linux is a lot more versatile thanks to the support of a lot of dedicated developers and the commercial support given to them from big companies like IBM.
In a way, it's kind of useful from an advocacy point of view. We can truly say that we have an operating system that scales to virtually any device, large or small, and can run on virtually any processor technology. Linux runs on anything from PDAs and small embedded devices to IBM mainframes today. You can't say that about *any* of its competition.
That just sounds wrong. You try to help save the environment by saving energy, but you drink over-priced products from a company that levels thousands of acres of rain forrest to grow coffee. Lets not forget that they fund intertribal warfare to help remove any people living there.
Ummm...yeah, exactly, right. Don't forget those bleached paperboard coffee cups they serve that coffee in either. Let's also not forget that methanol itself is somewhat harmful to the environment, either (although it's much more environmentally friendly than gasoline or batteries and comes from a renewable source [corn].) As a Wiccan, I'm very environmentally aware. I might poke fun now and then (mirth and reverence being very important in our society and to us as human beings), but I take these issues very seriously.
Not that Ignatius T. Foobar would toot his own horn or anything.;)
But seriously, I have looked at this package and have installed it on a test network and it has a LOT of promise. It's a complete client/server based architecture that's *very* cool and actually started as a kickass BBS system. The web-based setup system simply rocks.
I seriously wish I could rollup my sleeves and help on this one, but I've got wayyyy too much on my plate right now. So you guys looking for an open source project, and you out of work developers -- pay attention. This is a great project that deserves your attention.
One question for you, if I may -- Has the system's BBS roots been more of a hinderence or more of help to you? I haven't examined the code (yet), but I've found many of the old BBS systems to coded in a very short-sighted manner, making them not easily evolvable into modern systems. I *suspect* that given that Citadel/UX has always been a client/server architecture system, this really hasn't been a problem and that the client/server architecture has been it's greatest strength in evolving it from a BBS system to a more modern messaging platform. Care to comment? (Please? I'm a big fan of BBS development and of your project in particular and have been for years.;)
Of course almost no one will call them 'Methanol fuel cells' because that sounds too nerdish and is too difficult to say.
So when you go to Starbucks and order you're double espresso latte with extra whipped cream and sprinkles on top, you'll probably be asking for a 'meth pack' with that.:)
Oh yeah, X is the big thing for sure... the thing I find interesting about the processor thing is that if you boot an RS/6000 AIX box and look at the bottom of the initial splash screen, you'll see an Apple copyright notice. This leads me to believe that in some ways, an RS/6000 is not unlike a Macintosh. And don't forget that I mentioned that the it will run on a PowerPC 604e, which *is* a processor used in Macs, and newer Macs (G3s, G4s and G5s) are/will be backward-compatible.
I guess my main point is that if you have a stable X11, and you have OpenGL (this is important as well), compling for Mac OS X in theory shouldn't be difficult at all. Yet, despite the announcment of Panther having X support, we have yet to see a single CAD/CAM/CAE vendor step up and say "Yeah! Finally! We can do an OS X port so we will!"
Which makes me wonder -- how much are Dassaulte Systemes, EDS, and PTC in Microsoft's and/or Intel's back pocket?
Actually, yeah. Those and the Franco-Chinese as well. Slashdot user salimma actually has an interesting piece in his journal about some Franco-Chinese literature (Balzac, in fact (sp?)) he was reading as well.
Yeah. Actually, I think that's a pretty apt way to describe it. A portal to another computer. I think I'll use that analogy next time someone asks what 'VNC' is. Thank you, kind sir!
Mail client can check AOL accounts & Netscape webmail accounts
This is also referred to as the 'Spam-O-Matic(tm)' feature.
Integrated AIM. There's integrated ICQ too, but it's worthless as it uses the same UI as AIM (i.e. no single message mode).
Aka 'Instant Spam-O-Matic{tm)' with patented 'Bloodninja' cybersex capability.
Spellcheck (yes it's available as an addon to Mozilla)
Known under it's code-name, the 'CmdrTacoWillNeverEverUseThis' feature'.
Java and the most popular plugins are included. So it's easier for the average person to set up.
Because the download size of Mozilla just isn't big enough!
Probably not the case on this release due to simultaneous releases, but in the past, Netscape took stable Mozilla branches and did futher bugfixes before releasing, resulting in a better product.
Yeah. Because Netscape 7 was SOOOO much more stable than Mozilla 1.x
I'd use Netscape over Mozilla if they'd just leave in the "Block Images from Server" option in Netscape
What edwig didn't tell you is that he works for America Online and has most of his stock portolio tied up in AOL/TW stocks.;)
This has always struck me as deeply sad. There are now many decent CAD applications totally and irrevocably stuck in the Windows mud-pit. Porting them to Mac OS, Linux, or anything that isn't non-operably joined to Microsoft is not feasible. Simply, if Microsoft sinks like a rock, a lot of companies will realize that they are tethered to that rock. Very sad.
Well, Dassaulte Systemes and EDS still develop their products on UNIX. Although, I've noticed that, sadly, CATIA v5 (on Solaris at least), is *backported* from Windows. There are even - ick - Windows DLL files included in the mix with Microsoft copyright notices all over them. *sigh*
At least Unigraphics is still a native *nix application.
ATI XFree Drivers have always been written by third parties. ATI does not support them and never has. They merely provide specs to open source developers who in turn write drivers. nVidia, OTOH, actually writes drivers, but keeps the source closed.
So you have to decide the between the lesser of two evils, I guess.
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Really? Have you seen the board of director's list for Creative Commons? It reads like a who's-who list of Open Source-supporting IP lawyers, including Lawrence Lessig, James Boyle, and Eric Saltzman. And Creative Commons licenses aren't just BSD-licenses. They have licenses with features VERY much like GPL. They also have BSD-like licenses. It's your choice. You decide.
Wiley's closing down Open Content, because he thinks Creative Commons is doing a better job and making his group somewhat obsolete. He's joining Creative Commons, so its not like he's changed his mind or has stopped working on the goals Open Content provided.
It's kind of sad to see it go, but I have to agree with Wiley -- and I know I'm going to piss off a WHOLE bunch of people when I say this -- I think Creative Commons is a better approach, and I think it's even a better approach than GPL/LGPL. The licenses are worded in a very common sense fashion, written by a team of IP experts, and give *you* the flexibility in determining what features you do and do not want in a license. It makes licensing a no-brainer for the software developer (or content developer) that doesn't spend so much time worrying about the license.
I was just trying be humorous at your expense. It wasn't intended as criticism, honestly. Rotten thing, I know. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Educational games -- have you checked out the edutainment packages in KDE 3.1 yet? It's not a full replacement for everything available on Windows, but it's a start.
As a Linux user myself for many years I now see the sideeffects of Open Source myself and started to eye for alternative Operating Systems such as MorphOS (Pegasos), MacOSX, BeOS Zeta and Microsoft Windows. There are various reasons for me to do this.
;)
Nah, scratch what I said earlier. *This* guy is a SCO plant.
What is the guy, a SCO plant? :)
You can say either thing about either development model and it's true.
Opensource code can have a lot more man hours put into it in a shorter period of time than closed source
Closed source code can also have a lot more man hours. Not every open source project has as many man hours into it as Apache or Linux.
Closed source code is only as good as the person doing the hiring.
Open Source code is only as good as the developers working on the project.
While the statements you make are true, your conclusion is based on logical fallacies.
perhaps rightly so
:)
Mmmm hmmm... I think you just helped reinforce my original point.
Thank you sir! I felt that the answer was probably a little of both. Yes, rock solid messaging *is* the reason a BBS project would make a good groupware system. And I always felt the choice of Berkely DB was an excellent one in terms speed and stability, although I have to wonder why you didn't make it easier on yourselves by using one of the SQL-oriented DB's like MySQL or PostgreSQL. But I'll bet the peformance difference of Berkely DB with no query layer, vs. MySQL or PostgreSQL would be *huge* on a large-scale messaging system. :)
;) Thanks!
Again, thanks for answering my questions, and I have (or at least had, I haven't used it in a while) an account on Uncensored, so maybe I'll stop over there to chat!
No, I haven't used Linux, but a great many argument I've read and agree with have to be usability and nativity to the platform. If Linux isn't native to anything, then who uses it on what? When will standards be developed?
Au contraire! Linux is native to *every* platform it runs on.
It's important to note that the Linux kernel, along with the pieces of GNU system that you need to run with it (gcc, glibc, GNU toolchain, etc.) are written in C, which is a mostly portable language. Some parts of the kernel were written in assembler, although I *think* that has changed, and those parts originally had to be ported to each processor, but again, I think this has changed.
In any respect, Linux is ported to each processor it runs on. Most of the work done in porting Linux to a new platform involves porting gcc and glibc, and then optimizing the kernel and those pieces to run well on that platform, including doing obvious stuff like moving from 32-bit to 64-bit, little endian vs. big endian, etc., but other things including optimizing for the way that that platform handles memory, for instance, optimizing pieces that are timing critical, and writing device drivers for different pieces of the I/O system, etc. (I've never done the work myself, so if I've missed something, hopefully someone more capable than myself will point that out, but this is basically the process as I understand it)
So there you have it...Linux is native on every platform it runs on.
When high level folks like this leave, its usually because someone is giving them money to go off and do their own thing under a different banner/console.
That or Vivendi is paying them to leave and to keep their mouths shut. In any case, we'll likely know the truth in the days to come (if only by their silence).
I didn't think that Blizzard games were free as in beer. ;)
In addition to what TobySmurf said (all of which is true), it's not fair to call Windows CE and Windows NT/2000/XP the same OS. The two systems are entirely different codebases. Even the APIs have signficant differences.
Admittedly, while NetBSD *does* provides support for a wide range of processor platforms, it's still not as scalable as Linux, and hasn't been ported to nearly as many devices in a useable form. Not that I'm trivializing NetBSD -- it is very scalable and runs on a lot of stuff -- but Linux is a lot more versatile thanks to the support of a lot of dedicated developers and the commercial support given to them from big companies like IBM.
In a way, it's kind of useful from an advocacy point of view. We can truly say that we have an operating system that scales to virtually any device, large or small, and can run on virtually any processor technology. Linux runs on anything from PDAs and small embedded devices to IBM mainframes today. You can't say that about *any* of its competition.
That just sounds wrong. You try to help save the environment by saving energy, but you drink over-priced products from a company that levels thousands of acres of rain forrest to grow coffee. Lets not forget that they fund intertribal warfare to help remove any people living there.
Ummm...yeah, exactly, right. Don't forget those bleached paperboard coffee cups they serve that coffee in either. Let's also not forget that methanol itself is somewhat harmful to the environment, either (although it's much more environmentally friendly than gasoline or batteries and comes from a renewable source [corn].) As a Wiccan, I'm very environmentally aware. I might poke fun now and then (mirth and reverence being very important in our society and to us as human beings), but I take these issues very seriously.
Not that Ignatius T. Foobar would toot his own horn or anything. ;)
;)
But seriously, I have looked at this package and have installed it on a test network and it has a LOT of promise. It's a complete client/server based architecture that's *very* cool and actually started as a kickass BBS system. The web-based setup system simply rocks.
I seriously wish I could rollup my sleeves and help on this one, but I've got wayyyy too much on my plate right now. So you guys looking for an open source project, and you out of work developers -- pay attention. This is a great project that deserves your attention.
One question for you, if I may -- Has the system's BBS roots been more of a hinderence or more of help to you? I haven't examined the code (yet), but I've found many of the old BBS systems to coded in a very short-sighted manner, making them not easily evolvable into modern systems. I *suspect* that given that Citadel/UX has always been a client/server architecture system, this really hasn't been a problem and that the client/server architecture has been it's greatest strength in evolving it from a BBS system to a more modern messaging platform. Care to comment? (Please? I'm a big fan of BBS development and of your project in particular and have been for years.
Of course almost no one will call them 'Methanol fuel cells' because that sounds too nerdish and is too difficult to say.
:)
So when you go to Starbucks and order you're double espresso latte with extra whipped cream and sprinkles on top, you'll probably be asking for a 'meth pack' with that.
Oh yeah, X is the big thing for sure... the thing I find interesting about the processor thing is that if you boot an RS/6000 AIX box and look at the bottom of the initial splash screen, you'll see an Apple copyright notice. This leads me to believe that in some ways, an RS/6000 is not unlike a Macintosh. And don't forget that I mentioned that the it will run on a PowerPC 604e, which *is* a processor used in Macs, and newer Macs (G3s, G4s and G5s) are/will be backward-compatible.
I guess my main point is that if you have a stable X11, and you have OpenGL (this is important as well), compling for Mac OS X in theory shouldn't be difficult at all. Yet, despite the announcment of Panther having X support, we have yet to see a single CAD/CAM/CAE vendor step up and say "Yeah! Finally! We can do an OS X port so we will!"
Which makes me wonder -- how much are Dassaulte Systemes, EDS, and PTC in Microsoft's and/or Intel's back pocket?
Is this really a significant market?
Actually, yeah. Those and the Franco-Chinese as well. Slashdot user salimma actually has an interesting piece in his journal about some Franco-Chinese literature (Balzac, in fact (sp?)) he was reading as well.
Yeah. Actually, I think that's a pretty apt way to describe it. A portal to another computer. I think I'll use that analogy next time someone asks what 'VNC' is. Thank you, kind sir!
Mail client can check AOL accounts & Netscape webmail accounts
;)
This is also referred to as the 'Spam-O-Matic(tm)' feature.
Integrated AIM. There's integrated ICQ too, but it's worthless as it uses the same UI as AIM (i.e. no single message mode).
Aka 'Instant Spam-O-Matic{tm)' with patented 'Bloodninja' cybersex capability.
Spellcheck (yes it's available as an addon to Mozilla)
Known under it's code-name, the 'CmdrTacoWillNeverEverUseThis' feature'.
Java and the most popular plugins are included. So it's easier for the average person to set up.
Because the download size of Mozilla just isn't big enough!
Probably not the case on this release due to simultaneous releases, but in the past, Netscape took stable Mozilla branches and did futher bugfixes before releasing, resulting in a better product.
Yeah. Because Netscape 7 was SOOOO much more stable than Mozilla 1.x
I'd use Netscape over Mozilla if they'd just leave in the "Block Images from Server" option in Netscape
What edwig didn't tell you is that he works for America Online and has most of his stock portolio tied up in AOL/TW stocks.
WinAmp 3 has an IRC client? Is that what you call that? ;)
them, and X10.com, too. :)
This has always struck me as deeply sad. There are now many decent CAD applications totally and irrevocably stuck in the Windows mud-pit. Porting them to Mac OS, Linux, or anything that isn't non-operably joined to Microsoft is not feasible. Simply, if Microsoft sinks like a rock, a lot of companies will realize that they are tethered to that rock. Very sad.
Well, Dassaulte Systemes and EDS still develop their products on UNIX. Although, I've noticed that, sadly, CATIA v5 (on Solaris at least), is *backported* from Windows. There are even - ick - Windows DLL files included in the mix with Microsoft copyright notices all over them. *sigh*
At least Unigraphics is still a native *nix application.
ATI XFree Drivers have always been written by third parties. ATI does not support them and never has. They merely provide specs to open source developers who in turn write drivers. nVidia, OTOH, actually writes drivers, but keeps the source closed.
So you have to decide the between the lesser of two evils, I guess.