Arabian dude with sword: Twirls sword around, brandishing it menacingly. Jar Jar: Meesa goin' to da Temple of Doom to find da Lost Ark! Yeah, that's meesa gonna do! Indiana Jones: Looks at Arabian dude with sword. Indiana Jones: Looks at Jar Jar. Indiana Jones: Shoots Jar Jar and takes his chances with Arabian dude.
Karma: No Sugar. (Mostly affected by Diet Mountain Dew)
Oh, yeah!/me Takes another sip of Diet Mountain Dew and ponder, what, exactly, if anything this thing I'm posting right now has ANYTHING to do with SCO, other than the fact that Darl McBride potentially has brain damage which could have been brought on by overconsumption of Diet Mountain Dew. But I kinda doubt that.;)
Catia and pro-engineer may be doing a MacOSX port to panter next year.
This info was from an Apple employee who posted here so take it with a grain of salt.
The problem for the companies that make the products is.. a.)No X support. Apple talked to the Unix vendors and already has a beta version of X tuned just for the mac. It will be included by default to panther.
b.)64-bit support. Most mathmatical packages have hard coded long long int in c/c++ for to handle large numbers and to obtain better decimal place precision. Most Linux/Windows ports are for AMD64 or Itanium. I think their is a 32-bit version of pro-engineer so I am not to sure. Panther and the new G5's solve this.
But CATIA already runs on the PowerPC platform. If you look at this page, you'll see that it runs on AIX on what I believe are the chips that Macs run on (PowerPC 604, Power2, Power3 and Power4) aren't they? We have an RS/6000 with a 64-bit Power4 processor running CATIA on AIX now.
I imagine if Dassaulte and/or IBM *wanted* to port to OS X it wouldn't be hard. Unless I'm missing something with the PowerPC platform?
Actually, there have been a number of companies bringing their high end specialized *NIX code to the Mac including apps for molecular modeling, bioinformatics, GIS etc....
Perhaps in your field. I don't know anything about that particular field. In CAD/CAM/CAE, there are NO companies that have made announcements to port their stuff to OS X. Not Dassaulte Systemes (CATIA), not EDS (Unigraphics NX and I-DEAS), and not PTC (Pro/E). We run all of these.
I use OS X at the "high-end" of the spectrum to perform computational molecular phenotyping, manuscript preparation, creation of presentations, porting code, surfing the web, experimenting with performing reconstruction using yes, CAD software etc...etc...etc.... and....
Not any of the packages I've listed above. Again, it may just be different in your field as opposed to my field.
And it's not taken seriously by anybody for anything but non-critical servers, or for servers for a Mac-only environment, which you're likely to see only at a publishing house. Even then, a lot of Mac-only places use Unix servers like Sparc Solaris boxes or IBM AIX boxes.
The Linux compatibility layer might be fine, but you don't have the source. If you have an x86 Linux application (what the companies are porting to), it's NOT going to run OS X (which runs on the Motorola/IBM PowerPC CPU) unless the companies themselves compile it on a PowerPC platform.
Even then, the way things are coded for added precision (as a another poster points out), it's not as simple as a recompile.
I'll probably be modded down for this, but let me candid here.
Well, certainly OS X wouldn't work where I'm at, where we deal with high-end CAD/CAM/CAE systems. They just plain don't write this stuff for Macs. And they never will.
The trend now is to Windows and (hopefully with the pending release of Pro/E for Linux) to Linux systems. I think a lot of non-open source, non-in-house developed UNIX applications probably won't ever be ported to Mac OS X because it's not taken seriously by folks who write these kinds of apps as a viable platform.
Don't get me wrong -- it certainly is. OS X is about as nice of a desktop UNIX as you'll be able to find in open or closed source UNIXes. Apple hardware is nice. But the guys who run UNIX at the high-end of the spectrum don't see it as a UNIX, it's a Mac, and it's nice for graphic designers and desktop publishers, and maybe even has some room for people doing surface modeling for design purpose, but it's not a CAD workstation, and it's certainly no server.
Hmmmm...radio, free press...check, check. Yup the Internet's got those, I just checked.;) Not to mention a means to make money, a means to educate themselves, and a means to see what exists beyond the scope of their little world.
I'd say those arre pretty important things, wouldn't you?
Most of the more useful FSF projects have been shifted to more capable hands. The center of mass of GCC and GLIBC have been with Cygnus/RedHat for years now and GNOME has been at Ximian/RedHat from day one, being FSF Projects in name only.
Maybe it should be called Red Hat/Linux then.;)
Seriously, when referring to the whole system, you don't call it Linux anyway. You call it whatever the system is called. In my case, Gentoo Linux. Or in other cases, Debian GNU/Linux, Red Hat Linux, or Mandrake Linux. The term 'Linux' properly refers to the kernel. But there's nothing wrong when referring to Linux generically to call it 'Linux' but I don't know.
For that matter, Solaris ships with a Freeware disc consisting of mostly GNU projects like GNOME, gcc, GNU toolchain, etc. Why doesn't Stallman insist it be called GNU/Solaris?
The design of the games cover tells you what market they are targetting. Look at the cover of Quake III Arena. Clearly they aren't targetting 6-year-olds.
Plus covers usually have screenshots because - duh - screenshots sell games. You can judge for yourself what the game is like by looking at the screenshot.
The reason ratings exist have nothing to do with parental judgement calls. Any parent with half a brain can look at Vice City and clearly see that it's not a good game for young children and it's likely to have violence that will be too scary for them.
What it boils down to is lazy, stupid parents who let their kids buy or rent games without looking at the cover first. If you want to be the judge of what your kids play and don't play then *you* (yes, YOU) have to look at what they're playing. But now, instead, you can just say 'hey, I'm not going to let you play any game rather over E (everyone) or any game rated M (for mature) or T (for teen) or whatever.
I, for one, wouldn't trust such systems. I, and I alone, will be the judge of what games my kids play. Why do you need a ratings system if you *know* your kids are playing. Simply set down the hard-and-fast rule that I'm not going to let you play a game until I see the game cover or the game itself. My father took me to "R" rated movies. He based his decision on what movies I should see based on their *content* and not on their rating. If he felt the movie had themes that were too mature, I didn't get to see those movies. If the movie got an "R" rating due to language, then, oh well, words never hurt anyone -- especially when I reached the age to know how to use my own discretion in choosing words to be used in polite conversation.
It is both the right and responsibility of a parent to decide what content is and is not too mature for their level of development. Not some stupid ratings board.
Because I used to have a different address in there and I've always had address munging since Slashdot introduced it as a feature, and I'm too lazy to turn it off.
Hmm...I can't point to specific problems with Windows NT that *we've* had, but I've seen odd problems with other software that aren't well-documented until AFTER you encounter them.;) One particular problem that I had was with the release version of Windows XP, which had undocumented and unknown problems with certain caching disk controllers. Microsoft didn't put out a bulletin until sometime after I encountered it and tore my hair out over it. Fortunately, this was in a controlled test environment and not a problem we experienced in production.
But, anyways, the basic rule of thumb in systems administration is CYA, otherwise problems tend to get blamed on YOU and not the vendor.
Most of the time when a sysadmin can't fix a problem easily on his own, it's due to either known issue in the software, or occassionally you pop up the odd bug.
We had one problem with CATIA 4.2.4R2 on Solaris that woudln't display balloons under certain circumstances. It worked fine on AIX, no thanks to SCO;). After playing around with project tables and verifying video configurations and that the right version of the libraries were installed, etc., for about 4 hours, I gave up and called support. It turned out to be an actual bug in the software.
If I had just let it go, and said, "I can't fix it, it must be a bug," as far as my users are concerned it's MY fault, since *I* configured, installed and administer the machines. But if I call support and get a ticket number and an actual statement from the company that yes, this is a bug, then nothing can be blamed on me.
I've had other problems with CATIA that resulted from non-documented changes to the system. Without support, I wouldn't know WHY the configuration worked *before* I installed the patch versus *after* installed the patch. Without support in those instances, I would not be able to know WHY the configuration didn't work, and I would be forced to rollback the version, despite customer pressure to have the same version they have installed.
So, yes, in a sense I could NOT do my job without support. Make sense?
That's just it. Portage satisfies all the dependencies for you. There were a whole slew of dependencies I didn't have resolved, but all I had to do was type the two commands.
The biggest surprise was to see ardour-0.9beta1 was actually sitting in the portage tree after hitting 'emerge sync'. Portage used to be a few days to a week behind, now it looks like we're getting package updates *same day*. Hats off the Daniel Robbins and the entire Gentoo team!
I had no problem. I just compiled the version released today on Gentoo. All I had to type was 'emerge sync' and then 'emerge ardour' Bam! Downloaded all the libraries, including jack-0.7 from cvs, and then ardour-0.9beta1 was compiling and installing!:-D
Have I mentioned before that Gentoo's portage rocks?;)
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Secure IMAP with Kerberos support. :-P
Excerpt from the script: (SPOILERS):
Arabian dude with sword: Twirls sword around, brandishing it menacingly.
Jar Jar: Meesa goin' to da Temple of Doom to find da Lost Ark! Yeah, that's meesa gonna do!
Indiana Jones: Looks at Arabian dude with sword.
Indiana Jones: Looks at Jar Jar.
Indiana Jones: Shoots Jar Jar and takes his chances with Arabian dude.
Karma: No Sugar. (Mostly affected by Diet Mountain Dew)
/me Takes another sip of Diet Mountain Dew and ponder, what, exactly, if anything this thing I'm posting right now has ANYTHING to do with SCO, other than the fact that Darl McBride potentially has brain damage which could have been brought on by overconsumption of Diet Mountain Dew. But I kinda doubt that. ;)
Oh, yeah!
Catia and pro-engineer may be doing a MacOSX port to panter next year.
This info was from an Apple employee who posted here so take it with a grain of salt.
The problem for the companies that make the products is
a.)No X support.
Apple talked to the Unix vendors and already has a beta version of X tuned just for the mac. It will be included by default to panther.
b.)64-bit support.
Most mathmatical packages have hard coded long long int in c/c++ for to handle large numbers and to obtain better decimal place precision. Most Linux/Windows ports are for AMD64 or Itanium. I think their is a 32-bit version of pro-engineer so I am not to sure. Panther and the new G5's solve this.
But CATIA already runs on the PowerPC platform. If you look at this page, you'll see that it runs on AIX on what I believe are the chips that Macs run on (PowerPC 604, Power2, Power3 and Power4) aren't they? We have an RS/6000 with a 64-bit Power4 processor running CATIA on AIX now.
I imagine if Dassaulte and/or IBM *wanted* to port to OS X it wouldn't be hard. Unless I'm missing something with the PowerPC platform?
Actually, there have been a number of companies bringing their high end specialized *NIX code to the Mac including apps for molecular modeling, bioinformatics, GIS etc....
Perhaps in your field. I don't know anything about that particular field. In CAD/CAM/CAE, there are NO companies that have made announcements to port their stuff to OS X. Not Dassaulte Systemes (CATIA), not EDS (Unigraphics NX and I-DEAS), and not PTC (Pro/E). We run all of these.
I use OS X at the "high-end" of the spectrum to perform computational molecular phenotyping, manuscript preparation, creation of presentations, porting code, surfing the web, experimenting with performing reconstruction using yes, CAD software etc...etc...etc.... and....
Not any of the packages I've listed above. Again, it may just be different in your field as opposed to my field.
And it's not taken seriously by anybody for anything but non-critical servers, or for servers for a Mac-only environment, which you're likely to see only at a publishing house. Even then, a lot of Mac-only places use Unix servers like Sparc Solaris boxes or IBM AIX boxes.
The Linux compatibility layer might be fine, but you don't have the source. If you have an x86 Linux application (what the companies are porting to), it's NOT going to run OS X (which runs on the Motorola/IBM PowerPC CPU) unless the companies themselves compile it on a PowerPC platform.
Even then, the way things are coded for added precision (as a another poster points out), it's not as simple as a recompile.
I'll probably be modded down for this, but let me candid here.
Well, certainly OS X wouldn't work where I'm at, where we deal with high-end CAD/CAM/CAE systems. They just plain don't write this stuff for Macs. And they never will.
The trend now is to Windows and (hopefully with the pending release of Pro/E for Linux) to Linux systems. I think a lot of non-open source, non-in-house developed UNIX applications probably won't ever be ported to Mac OS X because it's not taken seriously by folks who write these kinds of apps as a viable platform.
Don't get me wrong -- it certainly is. OS X is about as nice of a desktop UNIX as you'll be able to find in open or closed source UNIXes. Apple hardware is nice. But the guys who run UNIX at the high-end of the spectrum don't see it as a UNIX, it's a Mac, and it's nice for graphic designers and desktop publishers, and maybe even has some room for people doing surface modeling for design purpose, but it's not a CAD workstation, and it's certainly no server.
Hmmmm...radio, free press...check, check. Yup the Internet's got those, I just checked. ;) Not to mention a means to make money, a means to educate themselves, and a means to see what exists beyond the scope of their little world.
I'd say those arre pretty important things, wouldn't you?
At least you're incoming SMSes are free. :) That's the same for all U.S. mobile users.
(Yeah, yeah, I know. Incoming anything in Europe is free, I can't understand you stupid Americans, etc. BITE ME!)
The corporate guys can afford to hire the David Boies and Johnny Cockranes of the attorney world.
You and I can afford to hire the Barney Fifes and Gomer Pyles of the attorney world.
That's the difference, m'friend, that's the difference.
Yeah, but they own the rights to the characters and the names of the characters, so, yes, they could sue for copyright and/or trademark infringement.
Don't believe me? Put a picture of Mickey Mouse on your Website and watch how fast you get a cease and desist order from Disney!
I asked it. It came back with 7.536 hits.
I also asked Googlefight.
In light of the overwhelming evidence, I'd say "Yes."
You take that wired infrastructure you're using right now for granted (and yes, you are using it even if you're on WiFi right now).
Those wires, put in mostly by telecoms, cost hundreds of billions of dollars to implement over a period of decades.
These countries have little, if any of that infrastructure. The average household doesn't even have POTS in many of these countries.
WiFi is a *fraction* of the cost to implement.
Thanks for 'Goblet of Fire' for us, you insensitve clod! :)
I find it rather ironic that the Guardian is doing a story on irony... or do I?
:)
However, I don't find it ironic that Slashdot picked up that story...or don't it?
I dunno. I'm confused even more now.
Most of the more useful FSF projects have been shifted to more capable hands. The center of mass of GCC and GLIBC have been with Cygnus/RedHat for years now and GNOME has been at Ximian/RedHat from day one, being FSF Projects in name only.
;)
Maybe it should be called Red Hat/Linux then.
Seriously, when referring to the whole system, you don't call it Linux anyway. You call it whatever the system is called. In my case, Gentoo Linux. Or in other cases, Debian GNU/Linux, Red Hat Linux, or Mandrake Linux. The term 'Linux' properly refers to the kernel. But there's nothing wrong when referring to Linux generically to call it 'Linux' but I don't know.
For that matter, Solaris ships with a Freeware disc consisting of mostly GNU projects like GNOME, gcc, GNU toolchain, etc. Why doesn't Stallman insist it be called GNU/Solaris?
The design of the games cover tells you what market they are targetting. Look at the cover of Quake III Arena. Clearly they aren't targetting 6-year-olds.
Plus covers usually have screenshots because - duh - screenshots sell games. You can judge for yourself what the game is like by looking at the screenshot.
The reason ratings exist have nothing to do with parental judgement calls. Any parent with half a brain can look at Vice City and clearly see that it's not a good game for young children and it's likely to have violence that will be too scary for them.
What it boils down to is lazy, stupid parents who let their kids buy or rent games without looking at the cover first. If you want to be the judge of what your kids play and don't play then *you* (yes, YOU) have to look at what they're playing. But now, instead, you can just say 'hey, I'm not going to let you play any game rather over E (everyone) or any game rated M (for mature) or T (for teen) or whatever.
I, for one, wouldn't trust such systems. I, and I alone, will be the judge of what games my kids play. Why do you need a ratings system if you *know* your kids are playing. Simply set down the hard-and-fast rule that I'm not going to let you play a game until I see the game cover or the game itself. My father took me to "R" rated movies. He based his decision on what movies I should see based on their *content* and not on their rating. If he felt the movie had themes that were too mature, I didn't get to see those movies. If the movie got an "R" rating due to language, then, oh well, words never hurt anyone -- especially when I reached the age to know how to use my own discretion in choosing words to be used in polite conversation.
It is both the right and responsibility of a parent to decide what content is and is not too mature for their level of development. Not some stupid ratings board.
Because I used to have a different address in there and I've always had address munging since Slashdot introduced it as a feature, and I'm too lazy to turn it off.
The only reason that's funny is that it's true.
:)
WHy can't you get modded Funny *AND* insightful?
Hmm...I can't point to specific problems with Windows NT that *we've* had, but I've seen odd problems with other software that aren't well-documented until AFTER you encounter them. ;) One particular problem that I had was with the release version of Windows XP, which had undocumented and unknown problems with certain caching disk controllers. Microsoft didn't put out a bulletin until sometime after I encountered it and tore my hair out over it. Fortunately, this was in a controlled test environment and not a problem we experienced in production.
But, anyways, the basic rule of thumb in systems administration is CYA, otherwise problems tend to get blamed on YOU and not the vendor.
Most of the time when a sysadmin can't fix a problem easily on his own, it's due to either known issue in the software, or occassionally you pop up the odd bug.
;). After playing around with project tables and verifying video configurations and that the right version of the libraries were installed, etc., for about 4 hours, I gave up and called support. It turned out to be an actual bug in the software.
We had one problem with CATIA 4.2.4R2 on Solaris that woudln't display balloons under certain circumstances. It worked fine on AIX, no thanks to SCO
If I had just let it go, and said, "I can't fix it, it must be a bug," as far as my users are concerned it's MY fault, since *I* configured, installed and administer the machines. But if I call support and get a ticket number and an actual statement from the company that yes, this is a bug, then nothing can be blamed on me.
I've had other problems with CATIA that resulted from non-documented changes to the system. Without support, I wouldn't know WHY the configuration worked *before* I installed the patch versus *after* installed the patch. Without support in those instances, I would not be able to know WHY the configuration didn't work, and I would be forced to rollback the version, despite customer pressure to have the same version they have installed.
So, yes, in a sense I could NOT do my job without support. Make sense?
In that case, you'd be in Howard Stern's celebrity death pool and therefore most likely not in the target market. ;)
That's just it. Portage satisfies all the dependencies for you. There were a whole slew of dependencies I didn't have resolved, but all I had to do was type the two commands.
The biggest surprise was to see ardour-0.9beta1 was actually sitting in the portage tree after hitting 'emerge sync'. Portage used to be a few days to a week behind, now it looks like we're getting package updates *same day*. Hats off the Daniel Robbins and the entire Gentoo team!
when I actually managed to get it compiled
:-D
;)
I had no problem. I just compiled the version released today on Gentoo. All I had to type was 'emerge sync' and then 'emerge ardour' Bam! Downloaded all the libraries, including jack-0.7 from cvs, and then ardour-0.9beta1 was compiling and installing!
Have I mentioned before that Gentoo's portage rocks?