I've seen countless managers with COMPLETELY FULL DESKTOPS! Seriously. Hundreds of PPT foils stacked on their desktop, sometimes increasing resolution so they can have more icons.
Does that mean if I download a virus from an AT&T pipe that they own the virus too, so if it damanges my machine I can sue them, or maybe I can hold AT&T responsible for "their data" corrupting "my system" that I purchased?
I love FireFox and I will always use it unless something faster, quicker, safer, and more intelligently design appears.
But what are they trying to achieve? 100% market dominance? Do they need that? Can they sustain themselves just by providing a solid browser to the core 10% of the market that cares? If they are going out of business because they don't have 90% of the market, well then they have work to do. I would think they are just a tool for a niche market of serious computer users, and not the drooling masses.
There are still game gods (or Great Implementors, as us oldies like to call them). The problem is, you kids expect a creative new smash hit every week, and it takes years+ to come up with a true stroke of genius. If you look at the cadence of gamers from Crowther and Woods, to Blanc and Lebling, to Roberta Woods and Richard Garriot, Rand Miller, Romero and Carmack,... you see that the cadence for a new game god is one every 3-6 years. We just had Katamari, so I guess we're still in the ebb of the ebb & flo.
Assuming a circuit could function at twice the frequency, the SAME amount of energy is required for each edge transition, assuming a static digital CMOS circuit: each capacitor must be charged to create a field to create a channel to charge the load cap, etc etc etc... Putting aside topology, or the entirety of electrical engineering for that matter, this is essentially Feynman's lecture on the thermodynamics of computation.
Yes, there are a gazillion more factors to consider when raising frequency: skin effects, electromigration reliabilty, self-heating, decreased mobility, oxide breakdown, di/dt, IR droop at the device terminal, etc etc... but the key fundamental concept is: the faster you compute, the more energy you require.
I didn't mean to be such a troll with the first reply, but I thought your initial post was really overly complex and probably confused the ferk out of the parent post. Nice job respond to a troll without trolling.
Dude, that was the WORST answer I've ever seen. Either you never took an electronics class, or you failed.
Here's the short answer to the GP:
A fixed amount of energy is needed for any computation (dividing a number, or flipping the output of an inverter), the amount of energy depends on the architecture or process, but just pick any value for now.
Power is the integral of energy over time.
As the frequency increases, that same amount of energy mentioned before is needed in a shorter amount of time. Hence power goes up.
That's a good question, I don't know, but I don't think it makes up the gap. I can google for some tech docs, but it will still be hard as the intel northbridge (or whatever they call it today) still has more circuitry to it other than the memory controller. Based on what we've heard from the press and tech sites, the Wattage of the Intel memory controller would have to be equal to one Core 2 Duo to match AMD's wattage (I see quotes of 40% LESS power, however real that may be).
Also, sharing a memory controller on the same die means you limit the frequency due to thermal or power delivery constraints. Putting the memory controller on a completely different package means more frequency headroom for the CPU. This is one argument for off-die mem controller.
Ah! So free web access from ISPs is actually what matters here!
You're effectively saying ANY PC would do the trick, it doesn't have to be his cheap one with no known software or applications, because the free ISP gives them the world at their fingertips.
Yes. There's something called google.com, you can look up current websites discussing hot trends. Maybe you're new to this interweb thingy. So, look anywhere, or on any techie website (anandtech, tomshardware, cnet) and see that Core 2 Duo power requirements (to be released this month) is way below anything AMD has for then next 1~2 years.
That's ironic, because prior to Conroe's dominance over AMD's AM2, AMD fanatics liked to ding Intel for being a 10 year old core because they reverted from the Pentium4 core back to the original Pentium III core.
So basically the opposition argument goes like this:
(pre-Conroe) "AMD's K8 beats Intel's 10 year old core, I guess Intel doesn't have any new designs"...to...
(post-Conroe) "Stop comparing AMD's 3 year old K8 core to intel's latest and greatest... um, despite the fact it's still the same 10 year old core..."
I believe that's called a double standard. But again, this is/.
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You're right on there.
I've seen countless managers with COMPLETELY FULL DESKTOPS! Seriously. Hundreds of PPT foils stacked on their desktop, sometimes increasing resolution so they can have more icons.
This would be great for them.
Like gun control, the pre-emtpive war, abortion, healthcare?
They can't possibly be a party without a soundbite worthy platform...
Here in Sacramento, AT&T is the only phone provider. Isn't that a monopoly?
Does that mean if I download a virus from an AT&T pipe that they own the virus too, so if it damanges my machine I can sue them, or maybe I can hold AT&T responsible for "their data" corrupting "my system" that I purchased?
Right there with ya:
http://www.populationconnection.org/
...is shout "OPA!", and smash a plate! (Like they do in Greek restaurants.)
I love FireFox and I will always use it unless something faster, quicker, safer, and more intelligently design appears.
But what are they trying to achieve? 100% market dominance? Do they need that? Can they sustain themselves just by providing a solid browser to the core 10% of the market that cares? If they are going out of business because they don't have 90% of the market, well then they have work to do. I would think they are just a tool for a niche market of serious computer users, and not the drooling masses.
Uh, maybe I did read it, but still don't understand, and in typical fashion, got dogpiled by a bunch of self proclaimed experts. Typical
How in the heck did they forge a 256 bit SSL certificate?!
Can't this just be revoked or traced back to the owner?
Please to be 'splainin', Luuuucyyy...
There are still game gods (or Great Implementors, as us oldies like to call them). The problem is, you kids expect a creative new smash hit every week, and it takes years+ to come up with a true stroke of genius. If you look at the cadence of gamers from Crowther and Woods, to Blanc and Lebling, to Roberta Woods and Richard Garriot, Rand Miller, Romero and Carmack, ... you see that the cadence for a new game god is one every 3-6 years. We just had Katamari, so I guess we're still in the ebb of the ebb & flo.
Energy goes up with frequency not duration.
Well...
Frequency = 1 / Period.
Period is duration.
Assuming a circuit could function at twice the frequency, the SAME amount of energy is required for each edge transition, assuming a static digital CMOS circuit: each capacitor must be charged to create a field to create a channel to charge the load cap, etc etc etc... Putting aside topology, or the entirety of electrical engineering for that matter, this is essentially Feynman's lecture on the thermodynamics of computation.
Yes, there are a gazillion more factors to consider when raising frequency: skin effects, electromigration reliabilty, self-heating, decreased mobility, oxide breakdown, di/dt, IR droop at the device terminal, etc etc... but the key fundamental concept is: the faster you compute, the more energy you require.
I didn't mean to be such a troll with the first reply, but I thought your initial post was really overly complex and probably confused the ferk out of the parent post. Nice job respond to a troll without trolling.
Dude, that was the WORST answer I've ever seen. Either you never took an electronics class, or you failed.
Here's the short answer to the GP:
A fixed amount of energy is needed for any computation (dividing a number, or flipping the output of an inverter), the amount of energy depends on the architecture or process, but just pick any value for now.
Power is the integral of energy over time.
As the frequency increases, that same amount of energy mentioned before is needed in a shorter amount of time. Hence power goes up.
Ah! Good point!
;-)
(And kudos for not getting trolled, 'cause I was tryin'!
That's a good question, I don't know, but I don't think it makes up the gap. I can google for some tech docs, but it will still be hard as the intel northbridge (or whatever they call it today) still has more circuitry to it other than the memory controller. Based on what we've heard from the press and tech sites, the Wattage of the Intel memory controller would have to be equal to one Core 2 Duo to match AMD's wattage (I see quotes of 40% LESS power, however real that may be).
Also, sharing a memory controller on the same die means you limit the frequency due to thermal or power delivery constraints. Putting the memory controller on a completely different package means more frequency headroom for the CPU. This is one argument for off-die mem controller.
Ah! So free web access from ISPs is actually what matters here!
You're effectively saying ANY PC would do the trick, it doesn't have to be his cheap one with no known software or applications, because the free ISP gives them the world at their fingertips.
In the words of Guiness: "Brilliant!"
No glitches?
Please elaborate on what you mean by this.
Yes. There's something called google.com, you can look up current websites discussing hot trends. Maybe you're new to this interweb thingy. So, look anywhere, or on any techie website (anandtech, tomshardware, cnet) and see that Core 2 Duo power requirements (to be released this month) is way below anything AMD has for then next 1~2 years.
Great! He's got one booting!
Now what does it actually DO, besides impress Linux fans?
Back in the days of green monochrome monitors (with 280x192 resolution), we referred to the ghoulish contorted posture of young hackers as NERD HUNCH.
Thank goodness for corporate ergonomics efforts, or I'd be a crippled hunchback by now.
GRIM FANDANGO!
That game had me laughing outloud once every 15 minutes (That is, when I wasn't trying to figure out how to make Glottis vomit...)
Thanks. Now that drawled, banjo pickin' ditty is going to be in my head all day.
That's ironic, because prior to Conroe's dominance over AMD's AM2, AMD fanatics liked to ding Intel for being a 10 year old core because they reverted from the Pentium4 core back to the original Pentium III core.
...to...
/.
So basically the opposition argument goes like this:
(pre-Conroe)
"AMD's K8 beats Intel's 10 year old core, I guess Intel doesn't have any new designs"
(post-Conroe)
"Stop comparing AMD's 3 year old K8 core to intel's latest and greatest... um, despite the fact it's still the same 10 year old core..."
I believe that's called a double standard. But again, this is
NUMA isn't even part of the discussion. Using die space for a redundant memory controller is pretty stupid. Think beyond 4-way.
Oh, you mean the Scientist who listend to >1million channels of radio waves on a pair of headphones and heard an ET signal? ;-P
And his Clockwork Wizards!
Have we all forgotten the MAD SCIENTIST!
Ok, 2nd place: Hubert Farnsworth.