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Laptop Explodes at Japanese Conference

An anonymous reader writes "A laptop reported to be a Dell burst into flame and was caught on camera during a recent Japanese conference. Guess this laptop could be a poster child to prove that laptops really can cause sterility if they are on your lap."

531 comments

  1. When will those idiots at Dell learn? by PSXer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't put batteries in laptops! They can explode!

    1. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by ronanbear · · Score: 4, Insightful
      More importantly, when will the idiots who buy Dell (I have two) take recalls on AC adaptors and batteries seriously?

      When you've seen a photo like that you're gonna pay a lot more attention to a product recall.

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    2. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by PFI_Optix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just a quick point:

      There's a reason all the big OEMs stopped calling them laptops. They really don't intend fo you to put it in your lap. I used to work for notebook support for a company, we actually had some people get burned by the more powerful notebooks because they had them in their laps for too long. It's even in the documentation that they can get too hot to be comfortably used in the lap.

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    3. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In both pictures, you can see an open carafe of water (on the left).

      Maybe it ties into the explosion/fire.

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    4. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by jdray · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not just Dell. A friend of mine bought his son a tricked-out HP laptop last week as a graduation present. The brick (external PS) was making a gurgling sound the whole time it was plugged in. He took the whole kit back and bought a Toshiba, which seems to be performing better.

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    5. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I responded to the Dell AC recall with their official website form. Two units. Never heard from them again.

      That made me certain that Dell incompetence would make my bricks explode.

      I replaced them at my own expense. And considered sneaking into a Dell office and swapping mine in for theirs.

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    6. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It must have been running Windows XPlode

    7. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by b0wl0fud0n · · Score: 5, Funny

      At least Dell can promote their laptops as being "blazingly fast".

    8. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 1
      I responded to the Dell AC recall with their official website form. Two units. Never heard from them again.


      I responded to the recall and it said it'd take 8-12 weeks to get my replacement so I ended up buying one on eBay. 2 days later I got my eBay replacement power supply via UPS and a day later my "official" Dell replacement showed up.

    9. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by adamlazz · · Score: 5, Funny

      BURN IN DELL!

    10. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by LurkerXXX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's why I went to a local electronics junk/surplus store and got a large aluminum plate with fins (a heatsink off of something huge) about the size of the base of my laptop, and place it between my lap and my laptop. It's relatively thin aluminum, so it's not too heavy, and it keeps my nuts from roasting.

    11. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by dawnzer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Agreed. My boyfriend's notebook gets so hot, that he puts it on a pillow if he wants to use it sitting in the recliner. I finally bought him a "chill pad" from Target that plugs into a USB port to power a couple of fans that draw the heat away. He loves it. =)

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    12. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by sk8dork · · Score: 1

      and having them in your lap can actually cause them to get that hot because you're not only adding your body heat but suffocating the vents and fans. notebooks need adequate airflow under them, that's a big reason the rubber feet are as tall as they are.

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    13. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by EnderGT · · Score: 1

      I had thought that also, especially as there seems to be a water slick on the tablecloth. I wasn't sure if the water was there from before, causing the fire, or after, trying to put it out.

    14. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My office had about 30 adapters affected and I responded and got all 30 within about 2 weeks.

    15. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Funny
      "y office had about 30 adapters affected and I responded and got all 30 within about 2 weeks."

      I would venture to guess that Dell gives higher priority to their business customers over the general consumers....

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    16. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by cayenne8 · · Score: 0
      "There's a reason all the big OEMs stopped calling them laptops. They really don't intend fo you to put it in your lap."

      I hope no one accidently tries holding a McDonald's laptop in their lap....the scalding heat would allow for an immediate lawsuit...

      :-)

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    17. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by metsrok · · Score: 1

      Can you post a link for that chill pad?

    18. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Nimey · · Score: 1

      {laugh} I'd forgotten which book that was from, but still remember how the anthem was butchered. :-)

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    19. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      When you've seen a photo like that you're gonna pay a lot more attention to a product recall.

      I work for Dell, my job is to decide whether to recall. Everywhere I go I apply the formula.

      It's simple arithmetic. If a new laptop built by Dell is sitting on someone's lap, and it bursts into flames, sterilising and disfiguring the user, does Dell initiate a recall?

      You take the population of laptops in the field (A) and multiply it by the probable rate of failure (B), then multiply the result by the average cost of an out-of-court settlement (C).

      A times B times C equals X. That is what it will cost if we don't initiate a recall.

      If X is greater than the cost of a recall, we recall the laptops and no-one gets hurt.

      If X is less than the cost of a recall, then we don't recall.

      Everywhere I go, there's the burned-up wadded-shell of a laptop waiting for me. I know where all the fried testicles are. Consider this my job security.
    20. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "It must have been running Windows XPlode..."

      Maybe the external microphone on the laptop was activated and it overheard someone say "Zero-Zero-Zero-Destruct-Zero"

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    21. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by bughunter · · Score: 5, Funny
      The brick (external PS) was making a gurgling sound the whole time it was plugged in.

      That's normal for Zerg technology.

      /more overlords

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    22. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by DJStealth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One story like this costs the company a LOT more than the cost of a settlement or the cost of replacement of 1000 units.

      The questions I have are.. Has this story been verified and not staged? Maybe it was just someone who hates dell? What news conference did this happen at? Why's it so difficult to get a model #, or get another closer shot after the fire was put out?

    23. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by laughing+rabbit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I actually appears to be scorch marks. It also looks as if the force of the explosion moved the laptop away from the edge of the table. The table cloth seems to have some drawing and puckering where it drapes over the table edge. The pattern of discoloration in front of where the laptop is sitting is more scorch like than liquid spill.

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    24. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      The thin fan pads are awesome (just a shame that we need them). I never use my laptop without mine ($10 at geeks.com) & while I do not plug it in when using it on battery power it still keeps the hot lappy (read: I was silly enough to get an ACER - HOT!!) off my lap.

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    25. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would pouring water over a laptop cause it to explode? I don't know for sure, but I really doubt it.

    26. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      I had thought that also, especially as there seems to be a water slick on the tablecloth. I wasn't sure if the water was there from before, causing the fire, or after, trying to put it out.

      I hope nobody tried to extinguish a chemical fire in an electrical device with water.

    27. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Traiklin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you forgot about (D) Possible backlash and bad PR from not issuing a recall.

      Sure 10 people get hurt by the computer and you settle out of court with 9 of them, the 10th one doesn't want money they want to know why it failed.

      It trickles along untill the media needs a story cause it's a slow news day, they find it and blow it out of perportion, suddenly you have 50 other people showing up claiming they got hurt by your computer (even though they never owned one or they own a different company's but hey, that's technicalitys), you get a big class action lawsuit against you now. Suddenly those little settlements become one big settlement for everyone who has your computer.

      Then you have to get someone to do the corral the negative PR that is happening against your company, so you only had 10 reported cases of a machine blowing up, one just wanted to know why it wasn't thought of somewheres before hitting retail and 59 (not doing actual numbers because it would be in the thousands, cause where there is money to be made by doing nothing, people will show up and want a peice of that pie) others want money from your company and you are now out of a job.

      Sure this is just one computer but now the questions will slowly start happening,

      First step: Deny Deny Deny, Your company did nothing wrong.
      Second Step: Claim it was the users fault, They weren't using the proper power supply/battery for the notebook, it's not the companies fault.
      Third Step: Claim it's a small problem, Your company is presented with proof it was their fault it happened so now it's time to claim that it's a small isolated problem and out of the millions you have sold worldwide there is only the one.
      Fourth step: People see the chance to make money, Now you have people coming out claiming it happened to them and naturally they have no proof cause they got rid of the notebook since it "Blew up and no longer worked!" and then a lawyer sees a chance to make a name for him/herself and make some nice change from it. Time to issue a recall on all of them regardless.

      Atleast that's how it works in the USA, not sure if other people are quick to think "10 problems around the world = EVERYTHING done by this company is flawed so I should get paid for not even being a part of it!".

    28. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by dakryx · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Dude thats a line from Fight Club

    29. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by ThirdOfThree · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It wasn't very apparent, but this was paraphrased from Fight Club, the film. It's not real, unless Tyler Durden is your God.

    30. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Yep, I got 5 in less than 2 weeks after responding. But I belong to a university which buys thousands of Dells a year...

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    31. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by EnderGT · · Score: 1

      You never know with some people. You know better, I know better... but do they?

    32. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In both pictures you can also see a man in a tuxedo with a magical air about him.

      Maybe it ties into the explosion/fire

    33. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 1

      Oh it was apparent. When will the rest of the world learn to pay better attention for movie references like this?

      /Seriously, I love that movie.
      //Great stuff.

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    34. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by archieaa · · Score: 1

      It's not all batteries that can explode. Lithium ion batteries are the dangerous ones. If the seals fail for any reason, the contents react violently upon contact with air. It is no accident that replacement lithium ion cells to rebuild battery packs are almost impossible to buy for the average consumer. You can find NiCad and NiMh replacement cells all over the place - even at Radio Shack. Seals on LI batteries can be damaged by incorrect charging, short circuits, or physical damage. Any or all of these will cause what we saw in the picture. This can happen to ANY notebook that uses LI batteries. For that matter, it can happen to ANY cell phone that uses LI batteries. Why, then, are LI batteries being used in so many applications? Weight and size. NiMh comes close to matching LI for the size of the cell you need, but they are heavier. With the push for the smallest and lightest notebooks and cellphones, we will be seeing LI batteries for some time to come. We will also likely be seeing more of this sort of thing.

    35. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by baggins2001 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Great, excellent source of shrapnel

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    36. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by conJunk · · Score: 1

      right, and notice next to the carafe, what looks like a balled up napkin that doesn't change position between the two photos? dollars to doughnuts (yen to onigir?) says that these photos are post-big-ass-spill

    37. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by SoCalEd · · Score: 1

      I'll bet, way back when, you worked on the Ford Pinto project as well...

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    38. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Brown+Eggs · · Score: 1

      Who doesn't like roasted nuts? Much healthier than salted, and better tasting than unsalted. Make sure to always roast your nuts. And who said Dells aren't good for you....

    39. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The laptop got hot so he PUT IT ON A PILLOW???

    40. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's from Fight Club (movie). little credit please?

    41. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by dawnzer · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is made by Targus. They make a lot of notebook accessories.

      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AKA8Y/104-16 03678-2242319?v=glance&n=172282

      Oh... and the boyfriend says to use a FIRM pillow to prevent blocking the chillpad vents in the back (he still uses a pillow sometimes to prop it up. ;)

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    42. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 1

      A few years back my Dell Insperon 5000e was one of the ones that was supposed to have a recall on the batteries.

      I recieved several letters in the mail telling me that their records showed that my system was one of those believed to be part of the recall and I was instructed to go to the web-site and confirm it by putting the model numbers of my batteries into a web-form. Or something like.

      EIther way, everytime I did it or checked it or whatever it would say my battery was not one of the types recalled.

      All I all I think I was sent several letters about that issue. Someone apparently thought it applied to me, but the web-site disagreed.

      Either way, my Laptop hasn't exploded yet... so I guess the web-site was right.

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    43. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Afrosheen · · Score: 3, Informative

      Never, ever put something with VENTS and FANS on pillows or carpeting or anything else that will clog the air flow. Check the bottom of your laptop, I'm betting it has some vents there to suck cool air over some heat sinks.

        My wife was the worst about this. I finally brought her a thick magazine (Glamour or some crap) every time she used it. Eventually she had a fat magazine everywhere she went to use it, and stuck it under the laptop so the thing didn't spontaneously combust.

        They really should eradicate the term 'laptop'. First of all I haven't used too many notebook/portable computers that sit comfortably on my lap. Second, it's extremely bad posture. Third, these days computers just get way too hot. One of my clients bought a 15" MacBook Pro and I swear you can cook eggs on the left side of the thing near the speaker, and that's on the TOP of the unit where you rest your palms.

    44. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by dawnzer · · Score: 1

      "...Jose can you seeeee by the dawnzerly light"

      I got the nickname in college. That and "fraggle", but we won't go there.

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    45. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by gweihir · · Score: 4, Informative

      I hope nobody tried to extinguish a chemical fire in an electrical device with water.

      Actually I would expect this being a Lithium-Air fire. Nothing electrical in it, except for the activation energy. The explosions would have been the other cells rupturing.

      This type of fire cannot be extinguished in practice. You put sand or maybe foam on it if you need to protect what is around it and let it burn out.

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    46. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Funny

      I know this is sort of OT, but until recently, I thought a zerg rush was a term from bukkake. =)

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    47. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, shaped charge batteries suck.

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    48. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Suidae · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A bad photoshop job posted under a huge headline that says 'The Inquirer' and a link below to 'Flame Author' and you want to know if it's been verified?

    49. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by bogie · · Score: 1

      Take it FWIW but I submitted 2 and got both pretty quickly and my father IIRC got one as well. Possibly your unit was not affected. They only sent replacements if it was from within a specific range.

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    50. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by saskboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      LG fridges have had a nasty habit of going up in flames in Canada. It took many months for them to issue a recall, the first of which didn't mention the word FIRE. They issued another later stating they cause fires from being plugged in.

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    51. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      IIRC mine was in the serial number range mentioned in the public recall notice.

      Even if they weren't, their form should have kicked back a reassuring note that I'm safe.

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    52. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by arivanov · · Score: 1

      That is Lee Yakoka Pinto Arithmetic(TM). Also known as "Where exactly safety is mentioned in the design specification?" (that is actually rumoured to be a quote).

      It works only if you control the media which was generally valid in his days at Ford. That is definitely not the case as far as laptops and computer equipment safety is concerned nowdays. The news get out fast and get out quickly.

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    53. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      More importantly, when will the idiots who buy Dell (I have two) take recalls on AC adaptors and batteries seriously?

      Dude, you're getting 3rd degree burns!

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    54. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      that's why it's been modded all the way to +5, Funny

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    55. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Why not just let him use it on his lap reaching super hot tempretures, you'd not need both with birthcontrol.... :P

    56. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by aschlemm · · Score: 1

      Hmm...Isn't this kind of similar to what the Ford Motor Company did about the exploding fuel tank problem with their Pinto? It was a known issue that the fuel tank could rupture if the Pinto was rear ended. The defect was a known issue but Ford's financial analysis at the time concluded it wasn't worth it to fix the problem and it would be cheaper to pay damage claims when people died as a result of this defect.

    57. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or maybe it was running Windows burn ME

    58. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by dawnzer · · Score: 1

      Well, on top of a book on top of a pillow. He even puts it on top of a book when putting it on the table. Old college texts really ARE useful.

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    59. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by ltclydefrog · · Score: 0, Redundant

      That is not a statement from a real Dell employee, its a dialog from Fight Club. Someone else has also said this. Posts like these need to be modded up or people who dont read every post will think this is real.

    60. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by alphakappa · · Score: 1

      omg! there is a lady reading slashdot!!!!! (either that, or you are not my type)

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    61. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes, that was me!

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    62. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by SkippyDoorknob · · Score: 1

      Don't confuse The Inquirer with the trashy supermarket tabloid The National Enquirer. And please tell what it is about the photos that indicate to you that it is a photoshop job, and a bad one at that.

    63. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by bjs555 · · Score: 0

      I just use a rectangular cardboard box that measures about 12 x 8 x 2 inches. Cardboard and air are poor thermal conductors. Very light weight. Works great. Costs nothing.

    64. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by ELProphet · · Score: 1

      I filled out the form for my Latitude 640 when I first heard about it (2, 3 years ago?) and got a prompt reply; the new brick was at my doorstep the next day (the overnighted it) and they payed for shipping and handling. Last year, my memory stick died. I called Dell, and had a technician out next day *at my house* to replace it, plus bring a new brick and battery (both almost dead from wear). Finally, last december, a metal tab connecting the screen to the chassis broke. Again, next day, service technician at my house with a replacement. Always friendly, always competent. There is a reason you have the option to pay for service, and when you do, it's nice to have it. My next notebook will definately be a Dell with the 3-year extended warranty.

    65. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1
      They really should eradicate the term 'laptop'. First of all I haven't used too many notebook/portable computers that sit comfortably on my lap. Second, it's extremely bad posture. Third, these days computers just get way too hot. One of my clients bought a 15" MacBook Pro and I swear you can cook eggs on the left side of the thing near the speaker, and that's on the TOP of the unit where you rest your palms.

      That would sure make for a neat video! I'll have to track down one of my friends with a MacBook Pro.

    66. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by thc69 · · Score: 1

      How about LG room air conditioners? My parents just bought a 15,000btu unit...

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    67. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The brick (external PS) was making a gurgling sound the whole time it was plugged in.

      That's normal for Zerg technology.

      Yes but they only do that when they're hungry. Don't fall asleep near it and be careful of the cat. If the brick has a dog chain hanging out of it's mouth and lassie is nowhere to be found don't say I didn't warn you.

    68. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by dawnzer · · Score: 1

      I can hear the "No Doubt" song in my head now..."I'm just a girl..."

      Besides, if I wanted attention, I wouldn't need to mention I have a boyfriend. I could just link to my MySpace page

      LMAO!

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    69. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by thc69 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps folks would know what you're talking about if you spelled the guy's name right: Lee Iacocca.

      A little googling returned this: http://online.ceb.com/calcases/CA3/119CA3d757.htm

      Neato. Apparently the whole point of the car was to make an ultra cheap, ultra efficient, ultra light car in an ultra hurry. My cousin had a Pinto at one point, and I rode in it in the late 80s or early 90s, but managed to survive. He survived too, only to die young of a heart attack or meningitis or some such...too bad, he was cool, and I would have liked to hang out with him as I got older.

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    70. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I wasn't going to post this, but now you've flounced about a bit much to some of the 'a girl on slashdot!' comments, so here goes:

      Couldn't he just use the back of your head?

    71. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by dawnzer · · Score: 1

      LMAO! I'll forward your suggestion.

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    72. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Since Dell and all the other wonderful OEMs wish to maximize their profits by building notebooks as cheap as possible, cutting every corner imaginable; perhaps it's time they look into AMD Geode processors and the like. They use but a fraction of the power yet remain perfectly capable for the tasks most everyone would use a notebook for. With a 5 watt processor, wives could rest a little easier at night knowing their husbands will come home fully endowed.

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    73. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by thc69 · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not, some people actually haven't seen Fight Club. I know I'm stretching credibility here, but even some Slashdot users haven't seen it.

      It sure gets an awful lot of discussion on Slashdot, though, which makes me wonder if, in fact, I'm the only user who hasn't seen it. What makes it such a geek magnet of a movie? It's marketing made it seem like the antithesis of a geek movie, appearing to be drivel scarcely better than "reality" television.

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    74. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by bobscealy · · Score: 1

      A USB powered blow job hey?

    75. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      Here's a link to a good illustration of the problem with the MacBook Pro: http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2006/05/15/macbo ok/story.jpg

    76. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

      "Don't confuse The Inquirer with the trashy supermarket tabloid The National Enquirer."

      According to Wikipedia, it's not far off:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inquirer#Writing_ style

    77. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod this comment UP. This was a +5 Funny that is essentially a whole scene stolen from a movie without any reference to the source.

    78. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by hayden · · Score: 1
      There's a reason all the big OEMs stopped calling them laptops.
      As far as I remember that's not the case. There used to be three grades of carry aroundable computers. Portables (really big, basically desktops with a handle and screen), laptops (smaller, about the size of what is now called desktop replacements) and notebooks (smallest, basically in reference to it benig the size of a notebook). The vast majority of laptops are about the size or smaller of what used to be called "notebooks" so everything gets called a notebook.
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    79. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our newly spawned overlords.

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    80. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by TerranFury · · Score: 1

      In what twisted world do you learn about bukakke before you learn about Starcraft?

      I'm sorry, man, you must have it rough...

    81. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Which is why I refuse to buy the new macbook pro's or any notebook with cpu's that have heating issues. The macbook pro's can get up to 95C if you enable the hidden cpu temperature gauge in MacOSX!

      I settled for an Intel Centrino and refused to do the core duo in its current generation. COnroe supposed to be much cooler.

      THe notebook I have is cool to the touch and the hotest part is the battery that just gets warm.

      For anyone reading this who is considering a laptop remember the hotter the cpu, the shorter the life is of the system.

    82. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by ptelligence · · Score: 1

      Which computer company do you work for? A major one.

    83. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so fucken what? you think that's a big injustice or something? boo-fucken-hoo, nobody got hurt. people do impressions all the time of famous people and don't feel the need to quote the actors name, or the movies name or anything. besides I think it's better not to be explicitly told where something comes from, gives it a more humourous edge.

    84. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by bursch-X · · Score: 1

      Well if Wikipedia says it then it must be true.

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    85. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1
      If they weren't stupid, they would have a serious virus scanner like Virucide from Computer Labs Inc. installed. This fire is clearly the Monkeypoo virus at work!

      VIRUS WARNING:

      Attention: Computer Labs Inc., makers of Virucide antivirus software have identified a highly dangerous new Trojan worm, MONKEYPOO. It will usually appear in an e-mail with the subject, "Congratulations.You have won!" it will then prompt you to click a link to collect your cash prize. It can also freely spread across networks.

      Monkeypoo will read your address book, and mail a copy of itself to every address it finds, and it will look like you sent it. It will then invoke the secret self-destruct command held over from the original IBM PC's 8086 command set. This short line of code will cause the processor, ram, hard drive and any floppy drives to spin out of control and overheat until key components melt together, and will most likely cause a fire.

      James Winklee, a former IBM programmer had this to say. "We developed the self-destruct code so government agencies such as the FBI and CIA could quickly and completely destroy compromised computer systems before an enemy could get their hands on classified information. When we saw how violently a PC executing the command burst into flames, we decided not to publish its existence. It has been kept a secret successfully until now. If you get infected with the Monkeypoo Trojan worm, you may notice your computer going completely haywire. Physically unplug it from power as fast as you can, and send it in for repair. Only a professional can remove this one."

      While Computer Labs Inc and other antivirus software makers are working on a solution, they haven't got one a home user could successfully run yet. "This is the worst kind of malicious code I have ever seen." said Marcus Polan of Computer labs Inc. Use extreme caution.

      It is important that as many computer users as possible receive this warning, so send it out to as many people as you can. The entire Internet and every PC connected to it is at risk.

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    86. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by st1d · · Score: 2, Funny

      >>>"a 15,000btu unit..."

      Hmmm, sounds like a rare case of truth in advertisement to me. :p

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    87. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      OK, we're going to keep naughty bits cool, I have some suggestions of where to put the fans and how to attach them for maximum, ummm, cooling effect. That's right, cooling! That's what that very popular device is for! Every VP should get one as part of their bonus package!

    88. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And those were the Blue Smokes of Death?

    89. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by bn557 · · Score: 1

      Or somone just lost at minesweeper

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    90. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      *LOL*

      Thanks for the link.

    91. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you're sexy (you look like a cross between a cow/pig and an asian) then I'm Captain Planet.

      Nah, she is quite ok. Actually, she is very hot for a slashdot reader, really. You're just jealous of her boyfriend :-p

    92. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by atokata · · Score: 1

      In fact, Chuck P. based that premise on the real life Ford Motor Co's "Pinto." They had a nasty habit of bursting into flames when rear-ended. Their legal department decided it was cheaper to pay off the survivors than to recall the whole line. IIRC, some memo got out that cost them a whole bunch in a rather large class-action suit. I really don't know the details past what I saw on some pseudo-documentary several years ago. I'm sure if you're interested, Google will reveal all the dark secrets.

    93. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Basehart · · Score: 2, Funny

      ".........Finally, last december, a metal tab connecting the screen to the chassis broke. Again, next day, service technician at my house with a replacement. Always friendly, always competent........"

      OK Michael, we get the idea!

    94. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Basehart · · Score: 1

      Look closely at the flames and you can see the faint outline of Pam Andersons thighs on either side!

    95. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, until they blow.

    96. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by ELProphet · · Score: 1

      Hey! It's a true story!

      Though I guess I was a little... "glowing".

    97. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd prefer a reliable laptop, aimed at battery life-time instead op cpu performance. If someone made such a thing I would've bought a laptop already, now it's just not worth it because not usable for what it was ment for it the first place (travel, use computer on the road, etc), plus now they even blow because they're getting so warm!

    98. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

      As opposed to "because the inquirer says it then it must be true"?

      Frankly, I linked to the Wikipedia article out of laziness, never even considering that some tinfoil-hat might suggest Wikipedians wanting to undermine an honest web magazine's wonderful image. Excuse any typos, I was rolling my eyes.

      The Inquirer admits to its editorial (opinionated and subjective) stance.

      In case you didn't notice, The Inquirer really does use useless jargon, just like many British tabloids. Here's the paper's own guide to it.

    99. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      In what twisted world do you learn about bukakke before you learn about Starcraft?

      This one, apparently. But really, bukkake is a lot like a zerg rush: a swarm of small and weak biotechnological warriors attacking a single strong unit, and most of them are wasted in the process, but it doesn't matter since more can be produced easily and you can try again soon enough.

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    100. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also looks as if the force of the explosion moved the laptop away from the edge of the table.

      Or the simpler explanation... the laptop's user was startled in their attempt to discern what was making that strange noise.

    101. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by instarx · · Score: 1

      I work for Dell, my job is to decide whether to recall. Everywhere I go I apply the formula. It's simple arithmetic. If a new laptop built by Dell is sitting on someone's lap, and it bursts into flames, sterilising and disfiguring the user, does Dell initiate a recall? You take the population of laptops in the field (A) and multiply it by the probable rate of failure (B), then multiply the result by the average cost of an out-of-court settlement (C).

      Assuming you really do work for Dell, now that the official policy to allow a certain number customer disfigurations for monetary gain is out, C (cost of lawsuit) is now 10C or 100C if a good plaintiff's lawyer sees this. Maybe the charges are now even criminal and some Dell executives that apply the formula (you?) might face criminal charges for depraved indifference.

    102. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by shec0002 · · Score: 1

      Occam's razor? International conference? Wrong Voltage!

    103. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I would venture to guess that Dell gives higher priority to their business customers over the general consumers....

      It depends on the size of the business's account as well. For example, at one job I worked they had over 30,000 dell systems. I once called tech support to resolve a really weird problem and, after the outsourced support girl noticed the size of our account, she asked if she could transfer me to someone above her. I was then transfered to a very intelligent gentleman with perfect english.
    104. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I used to work for notebook support for a company, we actually had some people get burned by the more powerful notebooks because they had them in their laps for too long.

      I assume we aren't talking about something hot enough to burn you instantly here since you said "too long", so I have to wonder: if you have a laptop hot enough to burn you on your lap, don't you feel the heat - heck, don't you feel the pain ?

      I'm pretty sure I'd notice if my balls were being burned...

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    105. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by vishbar · · Score: 1

      Oh, really? Are you friends with Edward Norton? Considering he delivered the same speech nearly word-for-word in the movie Fight Club.

      Even the same variables....wow.

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    106. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

      My best friend owns a $4500** Dell XPS laptop that he uses mainly for work (using Maya and Photoshop). I forget all the specs but I do know it has a Geforce 6800 video card. The thing is a beast, it's has a 17" widescreen and weighs a ton, but the real kicker is the heat output. The bottom of his laptop must be atleast 90C while hes using it to render a scene. I doubt it even lasts 2 hours just on battery power.

      **At the time (1-2 years ago) he paid $4500, if he bought it today it would probably be closer to $2500

    107. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by TheNumberless · · Score: 1

      The studios don't really know how to market interesting and unusual movies. See also: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, the trailers for which made it look like a buddy comedy.

      Fight Club is definitely worth seeing. Also, all of Chuck Palahniuk's books are worth reading.

    108. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      Actually I would expect this being a Lithium-Air fire. Nothing electrical in it, except for the activation energy. The explosions would have been the other cells rupturing.

      That might be why I called it a "chemical fire in an electrical device" rather than an "electrical fire".

    109. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by bursch-X · · Score: 1

      Of course that's the whole point of the inquirer. They're sarcastic. They have an opinion and smack it right in your face. Nowhere does it say that they are even trying to be objective, which is perfectly alright with me, because at least that is honest. More honest than many other sites which try to sell you their subjective opinion pieces as objective journalism. As if something like this existed in the first place.

      But I digress... I just find it amusing that recently everyone is quoting Wikipedia as if they were the be all and end all of objectivity and the final authority on everything and everyone. Nothing against Wikipedia. It's a great project and I do use it, too, on a regular basis, but I always take their entries with a grain of salt (and some garlic and anchovis maybe).

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    110. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

      No such thing as objectivity? The philosophical weasel's slipped out the bag now! There's no such thing as objectivity, therefore lazy namecalling, poor source-checking and intentional vulgarity is more honest than actual journalism. I agree that bad journalism exists (and is prevalent), but that doesn't make The Inquirer good journalism. It's not even par. The Inquirer is good as a cheap joke, but serves no real purpose. Its articles are either irrelevant or slurs. Admitting an editorial approach is not honesty, it is an open admission to dishonesty.

      To me, objectivity in journalism means no more than professional detachment, delivering facts with precise references wherever possible and distrusting "values". Wherever possible, it is application of scientific method. It should not be confused with absolute objectivity, which beyond omnipresence is meaningless even in philosophy. Objectivity is what keeps WSJ's news coverage so distant from WSJ's editorials.

      Here's an example of the kind of slur I would never want to see labelled "journalism":

      Contradictory to your weaseling, you just said quite a bit against Wikipedia. Why do you distrust Wikipedia if there's "nothing wrong" with it? Why do you bother using it if you don't trust it? Why does quoting Wikipedia imply it to be the "be all and end all of objectivity"? How does quoting anything imply it to be the "be all and end all" of anything? Did you honestly not consider that maybe people quote Wikipedia because it's a free source of information? Whose entries do you take with a grain of salt? ("Who are THEY?") Where have you seen Wikipedia quoted by everyone? What is your basis for blanket distrust in every one of Wikipedia's articles? What about the external references used to back up those articles? Do you wear your tinfoil hat when you sleep, or do you hang it on your bedpost? In the shower? In the car? Doesn't the metal roof provide enough protection?

    111. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by bursch-X · · Score: 1

      ("Who are THEY?") Where have you seen Wikipedia quoted by everyone? What is your basis for blanket distrust in every one of Wikipedia's articles? What about the external references used to back up those articles? Do you wear your tinfoil hat when you sleep, or do you hang it on your bedpost? In the shower? In the car? Doesn't the metal roof provide enough protection?

      In British English (which is the flavour of English I was taught in school, albeit my command of the language is far from perfect), you address entities that consist of many people in plural form ("the police are...", "Apple have done this and that..." etc.). THEY are the sum of people running and creating Wikipedia. No paranoia here, nothing to see, walk on.

      Everyone and their dog are quoting Wikipedia. Really. Especially on slashdot, people tend to try to end a discussion with "facts" from Wikipedia, throwing Wikipedia URLs at you as if they were the final nail in the coffin of the opposite's argumentation.

      I don't wear tinfoil equipment because it would intefere with my supernatural energies and severly disturb up some of the black magic I use against Slashdot readers. And a tinfoil hat would definitely scare the black chicken I keep in the backyard for sacrificial purposes.

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    112. Re:When will those idiots at Dell learn? by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

      Nice to see a fellow Brit on here (don't let the current location fool you.)

      Wikipedia articles can be created, edited, and maintained by anyone, including yourself. Thus the paranoia implied by the term "they". (See usage note: X-Files, Nirvana ["Just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you."])

      I'm going to have to see some direct references - everyone and their dog have yet to throw Wikipedia URLs at me.

  2. Thinkpad users safe... by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny
    laptops really can cause sterility if they are on your lap

    I've built balls of steel lugging that thing around. Not even an exploding Sunblade100 could sterilize my boys.

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    1. Re:Thinkpad users safe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I've built balls of steel lugging that thing around. Not even an exploding Sunblade100 could sterilize my boys.

      prove it.

    2. Re:Thinkpad users safe... by jcgf · · Score: 5, Funny
      Not even an exploding Sunblade100 could sterilize my boys.

      Why would you have a sunblade100 on your lap?

    3. Re:Thinkpad users safe... by DigitalHammer · · Score: 1

      No, but an angry Steve Ballmer with exploding chairs can. :)

    4. Re:Thinkpad users safe... by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      laptops really can cause sterility if they are on your lap

      I've built balls of steel lugging that thing around. Not even an exploding Sunblade100 could sterilize my boys.

      So .... you've been dragging your laptop around by your balls?
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    5. Re:Thinkpad users safe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you have a sunblade100 on your lap?

      masochist n: someone who obtains pleasure from receiving punishment.

      I think that about sums it up ;)

  3. it was probably... by aleksiel · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... hackers

  4. artificial intelligence? by MrSquirrel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps this is a sign that computers (through the mega-computing power of the internet) have become self-aware. This is just the start to their war against the fleshlings... I mean, what better way to take out your opponent than to get him to put you in his lap, then you detonate yourself -- even if you don't destroy him, you take out his ability to reproduce. Fear the machines!

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    1. Re:artificial intelligence? by aquabat · · Score: 5, Funny

      More likely that it suddenly realized that it was a Dell and committed siucide.

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    2. Re:artificial intelligence? by PFI_Optix · · Score: 3, Funny

      I for one--

      *shoots self before finishing cliched slashdot meme for the thousandth time*

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    3. Re:artificial intelligence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it was trying to smoke a joint in honor of the "dude your getting a dell" guy.

    4. Re:artificial intelligence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe it was the last act of heroism like this laptop.

    5. Re:artificial intelligence? by Merle+Darling · · Score: 1

      That can't be. If it were, we'd see Macs exploding all the time in tribute to Ellen Feiss. =)

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    6. Re:artificial intelligence? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny
      "...just the start to their war against the fleshlings... I mean, what better way to take out your opponent than to get him to put you in his lap, then you detonate yourself..."

      So, this was a muslim laptop?

      :-)

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    7. Re:artificial intelligence? by mcmonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      That wasn't suicide, it was "a good PR move."

    8. Re:artificial intelligence? by rhumbliner · · Score: 1

      i doubt it's artificial intelligence. i clearly see the face of the mary in those flames.

    9. Re:artificial intelligence? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "...just the start to their war against the fleshlings... I mean, what better way to take out your opponent than to get him to put you in his lap, then you detonate yourself..."

      So, this was a muslim laptop?

      :-)

      Troll? Flamebait?....Sheesh...people, get a sense of humor will ya?

      It is funny...

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    10. Re:artificial intelligence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll finish it for you. "I for one welcome our exploding laptop overloards."

    11. Re:artificial intelligence? by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

      It wasn't suicide, it was a mercy killing.

      Mercy mercy mercy.

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    12. Re:artificial intelligence? by cosinezero · · Score: 1

      man, I bet even here on /. that joke went above a lot of heads. Nice one tho.

    13. Re:artificial intelligence? by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 1

      Probably someone told it "this sentence is false" or asked it "why?" or something, and that set off the fireworks in the case.

    14. Re:artificial intelligence? by veliath · · Score: 1

      Ditto!

    15. Re:artificial intelligence? by IcebergSlim · · Score: 1

      SSSSSnap! Very subtle snark!

    16. Re:artificial intelligence? by BaronElectricPhase · · Score: 1

      The problem with creating artificialy intelligent machines... Roughly 15% commit suicide.

  5. Sage words of advice by HardCase · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the article:

    Should you witness such an event, his advice is, "Don't try anything courageous/stupid, stay away, away, away!"

    But take pictures first!

    -h-

    1. Re:Sage words of advice by Ignignot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Call me stupid/courageous, but I would go back in and try to save as many of my MP3's as possible! Think of the porn that could be lost!

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    2. Re:Sage words of advice by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Funny

      So are you only turned on by pr0n soundtracks?

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    3. Re:Sage words of advice by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

      Actually, I was more concerned by the idiotic advice:

      "Fire extinguishers leave a mess on your suit and belongings; pack your stuff (if you can) and leave, leave, leave!"

      I'm sure if you cause an explosion in most public places - regardless of the country - and leave leave leave, the police will be inclined to locate you and make you stay stay stay - perhaps for a very long long long time.

      Also amusing to compare to the old Apple FUD where the only flaming laptop incident was never in the hands of the consumer but an employee of Apple. Now - we have Wintels exploding in the hands of the customers. That's real progress people! Good job!

  6. Dude U got NO BALLS by mfh · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good thing this wasn't on the guy's lap.

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    1. Re:Dude U got NO BALLS by denis-The-menace · · Score: 5, Funny

      The appropriate joke should be:
      Dude, Where's my balls?

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    2. Re:Dude U got NO BALLS by wolfemi1 · · Score: 1
      Dude, Where's my balls?

      Where's your balls, dude?

  7. Feeling hot, hot, hot... by EnderGT · · Score: 5, Informative
    While it's never caught fire, my Latitude D600 can get quite hot after several hours of World of Warcraft/Call of Duty/etc.

    The hard drive is right under the left palm-rest area, and it has quite literally burned my hand several times. It's not suprising to me to see one on fire.

    1. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by jerkychew · · Score: 1

      I believe it's the processor that's under that spot, not the hard drive. Dell re-arranged the layout for their D610s, so they no longer get as hot.

    2. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by EnderGT · · Score: 1

      This is a D600, not a D610, and it is most definitely the hard drive. The 610 wasn't on our company's approved hardware list yet when they bought it for me. But thanks for the tip about the layout - makes me even more interested in getting a 610 when I get the chance.

    3. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You think the D600 get's hot?

      When the D600 battery goes defective they can get insane hot to melt the case plastic a bit when left on the charger.

      Of the fleet of D600's we have here (190 laptops) I have replaced about 50% of the batteries and of them 25% damaged the laptop case. (laptops were rolled out last year this time.)

      I'm betting the laptop in the photos is a D600 with a bad battery that was left on the charger for a long time causing it to fail dramatically.

      My D800 and D400 both get insane hot but the D600 is the only one that scares me.

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    4. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can burn yourself with 60C stuff. To catch on fire, you need over 300C. (For Americans, that's 140F and ~600F respecfully -> F = (9/5)C + 32 )

      PS. I guess my CAPTHA should not be "blizzard"!

    5. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by fubar1971 · · Score: 1

      I have an inspiron 8600 that is experiencing the same exact problem. I ordered a ne battery. After seeing the pics, I'm glad that I stopped using it until my battery arrives. Talk about roasting chest nust on an open fire....

    6. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      IMHO the D600 stinks. I have a D600 and an IBM T40 on my desk. Same vintage, same processor, ram, etc. For some reason the D600 gets much shorter battery life, presumably because the battery is so small... yet the overall machine is substantially more bulky than the T40. Worse yet, neither this D600 or a spare I tried is even stable, normally it crashes within a day or two. What's the deal?

    7. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww crap. That's the laptop they issued my entire class of engineers at Vandy. We've had battery problems, harddrive failures (mine's been replaced twice), motherboard issues (had to have my whole system board rebuilt once), and other such blatantly terrible hardware failures. They want us to essentially use it as our main computing device. Thank god it's under warranty for 4 years... But they don't cover batteries! That should tell you something about their faith in their own batteries...

    8. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by SCO+STINKS · · Score: 0

      "While it's never caught fire, my Latitude D600 can get quite hot after several hours of World of Warcraft/Call of Duty/etc."

      The D600 sucks for video games. How could you stand playing that long or did it take that long to load the game?

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    9. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hared drive failures are related to battery failures. if you let the system sit on the desk for a 4 -8 hour period running and your battery is defective it will heat up making the hard drive hotter than normal which causes drive failure.

      WE had to replace every drive in the laptops we had dead batteries in.

      Also some of the wifi cards they sent in the D600 became defective after 6 months. they would intermittently lose connection with accesspoints to the level that installing netstumbler on the machine you could see lots of vertical bands of loss of signal for an accesspoint while a good unit nest to it shows solid strength.

      Personally I have been trying to get the company to go away from dell for the next round due to the nasty problems but they like the 3+ years extended service agreement.

      Dell compensates for crappy hardware with warrenties.

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    10. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by NoTouchie · · Score: 2, Informative
      This topic hits home or should I say hits work, as we actually had a similar incident happen with someone's laptop. It has nothing to do with water or food spilling...it's the battery overheating and going out with a 'bang', so to speak. The following link gives a summary of which Dell products may have this problem:

      http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml06/06056. html

      For those who don't want to RTFA (it's pretty dry, but has some pictures). Dell products impacted consist of:

      • Latitude(TM) D410, D505, D510, D600, D610, D800, D810;
      • Inspiron(TM) 510M, 600M, 6000, 8600, 9200, 9300, XPS Gen 2;
      • Dell Precision(TM) M20 and M70 mobile workstations
      • Any of above: Purchased around: October 5, 2004 through October 13, 2005 and Made in China/Japan

      Check if your battery is affected: https://www.dellbatteryprogram.com/Default.aspx

    11. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, its the processor. The HDD doesn't get all that hot compared to the processor. The fact that the D600 uses an Intel CPU would most likely mean it's about 75 degrees C (give or take 5 degrees). In the case that you're not familiar with Celsius, that's 167 degrees F on your hand.

    12. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      We had a hell of a time with D600's, the D610 was a huge improvement. Some of our poeple I know (high volume customers) even browbeat Dell into replacing all their D600's w/ D610's because the 600's had so many problems.

    13. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by bernywork · · Score: 1

      If they are chest nuts, either it's WAY too cold where you are or your significant other just gave you a shot to the groin that would make a man a mile away cringe.

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    14. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by Old+Man+Kensey · · Score: 1
      I have a D610, I love it and it's built pretty sturdily (the screen hinges are stiff enough to hold the screen stable, it doesn't flex when you pick it up by a corner of the base, etc.) A co-worker thought I was in for a stinker because our now-former boss had a D600, but he was impressed by my 610. (Now-former-boss's 600 is, in a word, wobbly -- the screen waggles, the case flexes, things just don't quite fit together right any more.)

      Of course his 600 is now over 3 years old, while my 610 is just six months, but according to my co-worker it was flimsy out of the box. Given what I saw on someone's Compaq Presario laptop (even flimsier construction), I think the electrical problems and the lack of stiffness are linked -- that machine would blue-screen if you picked it up unevenly.

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    15. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by zoney_ie · · Score: 1

      Indeed - the warranties are worth every euro.

      I'm tempted to buy a laptop from someone else (they seem cheaper), but to be honest, most people I know who have laptops have had "issues", and there's no way you want to just rely on one year's collect and return. If I can find a retailer I trust (a lot of other brands aren't "buy direct" it seems), I'll consider it if I can get an upgraded warranty.

      Still, I've seen Dell's on-site service in action - actually really good. Also, for all their equipment I've seen malfunction, I've seen other stuff that just keeps on going and going, and some really nicely designed stuff too.

      Plus, Dells are pretty configurable when purchasing, even if there are limitations. Throw in some special offers and a level of quality and service that while not great, is OK relative to some of the true muppets out there (Apple in particular seem like a world of pain, and expensive pain at that).

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    16. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not completely. we had several batteries that were listed as "not identified as a recall item that melted a D600 case. A nice fight with platinum level support and finally the tech manager that was flown out that said it was impossible burned his hand on the back of the laptop that he said was perfectly fine.

      Dell will CYA every chance they get.

    17. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Personally I have been trying to get the company to go away from dell for the next round due to the nasty problems but they like the 3+ years extended service agreement.

      Last time I looked, all business-class laptops offered extended service warranties. Lenovo offers a 5 year warranty extension and Toshiba offers at least 3 years. So I suspect there's a different reason at work.

      (And from what I've seen ThinkPads are built like tanks and some of the Toshiba Tecras are pretty sturdy as well.)

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    18. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by palswim · · Score: 1

      It's me, Ricky Martin! Come on! Come on!

      In my lap is a hot laptop. It's Hot, Hot, Hot; Watch! ... YEOW! Hot, Hot, Hot!

      So the answer is Hot, Hot, Hot, or cold. Hot, Hot, Hot, or cold. Come on!

    19. Re:Feeling hot, hot, hot... by EnderGT · · Score: 1
      No, its the processor

      Ok, I hate to be a bear about this, but I know for fact it's the HD. I have seen 2 Dell techs take apart 2 different D600's (not to mention my own explorations - what can I say, I'm a geek). Also the fact that I've swapped out a few drives on this notebook, and I'm looking at the HD caddy right now - under the left palmrest.

      The CPU is under the keyboard on the left side. The HD is under the palm rest on the left side. It's a fact. Deal with it.

      This is a pic of the D600 motherboard. The pic is taken from the perspective of a user holding the machine on their lap ready to use. You can clearly see the CPU socket (blue) on the top, and the slot for the hard drive on the bottom. The hollow area in the lower right is the battery - also quite hot after extensive use.

  8. I just thought of these by MrSquirrel · · Score: 0

    Is that a laptop in your pants or are you just flaming. Har har har.

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  9. Weird by linvir · · Score: 3, Funny

    Having just looked at pictures of an exploding laptop, and been warned to "avoid actually using a laptop on your lap", here I am happily typing away with my laptop sat in my lap as ever (with the usual book underneath to keep the CPU from burning out).

    But then mine is a fairly old thinkpad that runs quite cool, usually ~45 degrees. The one that exploded looks more modern (it is a Dell, after all).

    There, nicely rationalised away so as I can get back to my life

    1. Re:Weird by houghi · · Score: 1
      that runs quite cool, usually ~45 degrees


      Fahrenheit, Kelvin or Celcius?
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    2. Re:Weird by Kyosuke77 · · Score: 1

      Oh please, 45F is not far from the freezing point of water which is 32F, and 45K is a temperature you would have a hard time getting to with most cryogents if you even could. It's undoubtedly 45C, which is a pretty normal temperature for a chip.

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    3. Re:Weird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must be Fahrenheit.
      He said ~45 degrees, so it can't be Kelvin (you don't say degrees Kelvin, just the number + Kelvin).
      He also said, "runs quite cool". Since 45 degrees Celcius is relatively hot (compared to room temperature), that leaves us with Fahrenheit.

  10. Conference was on P0rn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Reportedly, the conference attendees were viewing a new high definition porno stream when the laptop exploded...Film at 11.

  11. Nursery rhyme come true. by scrabbleguy · · Score: 5, Funny

    'Liar liar, pants on fire."

    1. Re:Nursery rhyme come true. by scovetta · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Since it was in Japan, wouldn't it have been:
      "Riar riar, pants on fire."?

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    2. Re:Nursery rhyme come true. by bidule · · Score: 1


      Actually: "Rayaa, Rayaa, pantsu on bayaa." But you got the picture.

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    3. Re:Nursery rhyme come true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racist drivel.

    4. Re:Nursery rhyme come true. by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Japanese has an fi- sound. The word "Fire" is pronounced as "Faiyah" (approximately) in "Say Yeah! Motto Miracle Night" by Morning Musume. So download that if you want to hear how it's pronounced. :)

      The rest is correct though.

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    5. Re:Nursery rhyme come true. by bidule · · Score: 1


      Fu-ya, yes. But I've rarely heard a real F from those Japanese I know.

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    6. Re:Nursery rhyme come true. by Drogo007 · · Score: 1

      "Are you calling Mister Simpson a liar?"

      "Well, we do have this file footage of him with his pants on fire."

    7. Re:Nursery rhyme come true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on, laugh a little. It'll make you feel better.

  12. can't wait by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait till we get hydrogen fuel cells in our laptops!

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    1. Re:can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... uh, so that the "explosive emissions" for our laps power the computer?

    2. Re:can't wait by PureCreditor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >I can't wait till we get hydrogen fuel cells in our laptops!

      think Space shuttle Challenger from 1986.

      Lithium-ion only gets you an exploding Dell in a conference. Let's stick the safe elements on the periodic table ^^

    3. Re:can't wait by Jeremi · · Score: 1
      think Space shuttle Challenger from 1986. Lithium-ion only gets you an exploding Dell in a conference.


      The Challenger would have exploded just as violently if it was powered by Lithium, or any other fuel you care to mention.


      The issue isn't the method used to store the energy, it's the fact that so much energy must be stored. Any method of packing that much energy into that small a space (and then sitting it all on top of your balls!) is going to have an element of danger in it.


      I think I will wait until laptops are sufficiently efficient that they never get hotter than room temperature, and can run on two AA batteries. Until then, desktops running on AC power work for me.


      Speaking of which... is anyone selling battery-free notebooks? It seems to me that by removing the battery you could make the notebook that much smaller and cheaper, and the user would still have the choice of either plugging it into the wall or plugging the notebook in to an external battery pack of some sort.

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    4. Re:can't wait by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Don't those fuel cells create water as a byproduct?

      So instead of being the center of attenion, and having you pants on fire,

      with everyone concerned for your wellfare (not to mention possible lawsuit)

      it will simply look like you wet yourself. Better make sure you are only

      looking at office friendly material... having to explain that you didn't

      pee yourself is bad enough...

    5. Re:can't wait by moonbender · · Score: 1

      You can easily run essentially all laptops without their batteries plugged in, provided you connected the power supply. You don't get any significant space savings, but the laptop will be a tad lighter.

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    6. Re:can't wait by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      The Challenger would have exploded just as violently if it was powered by Lithium, or any other fuel you care to mention.

      Well, energy density and ease of setting of a chain reaction aren't the same thing - you can have a very energy-dense material which is quite stable (think how much energy is stored in a block of C4, yet it's actually quite difficult to detonate it).

      Also, Challenger didn't "explode" - it broke up in the hypersonic airstream and the fuel simply ignighted in the air - even if it had very stable fuel it would still have broken up just as violently, you just might not have seen a big fireball at the same time.

    7. Re:can't wait by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      They use methanol or Butane. Both are easier to store than hydrogen. Not much worse than a lighter really.

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  13. My head's gonna explode like that! by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's on the Inquirer, but they have a picture. Who do I believe, my eyes or my head?

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    1. Re:My head's gonna explode like that! by jdray · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of Photoshop? How about the GIMP? You decide.

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    2. Re:My head's gonna explode like that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you noticed on the bottom of the inquirer page it says "Flame Author". Quite interesting phrase to use.

    3. Re:My head's gonna explode like that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I did find this flaming Dell.

      Here is the flaming ibook.

    4. Re:My head's gonna explode like that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've decided you're a dickhead. Happy now?

    5. Re:My head's gonna explode like that! by Yonzie · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's on the Inquirer, but they have a picture. Who do I believe, my eyes or my head?
      The Inquirer may be a tabloid and print a bunch of rumors but the vast majority of the news stories they write is fact or comes true in the end.
      Why fake pictures of a burning laptop that isn't even identifiable? If it was really a case of photochopping, they could at least have made the Dell (or whatever) logos prominent.
    6. Re:My head's gonna explode like that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But now that slashdot has confirmed the story, there's no reason to doubt it, is there?

  14. Actually... by DaSenator · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...the Dell, being the subject of a long standing flame war, finally succumbed to the last battle of its painfully long life.

    (It'd be ironic if somehow I got modded down with a "Flamebait")

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    1. Re:Actually... by DaSenator · · Score: 1

      ...be careful what you wish for. It may come true.

      On Slashdot, this happens when you least want it to. Of course, I fully expected this to happen. :)

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    2. Re:Actually... by Fortran+IV · · Score: 1

      That's the first post I ever saw that deserved to be modded +5 Flamebait.

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  15. Yay, sterility! by NineNine · · Score: 5, Funny

    Guess this laptop could be a poster child to prove that laptops really can cause sterility if they are on your lap

    Am I the only person out there who thinks that sterility is a good thing? I can buy thousands of high end laptops for what one kid costs.

    1. Re:Yay, sterility! by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 1

      A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.

      Having your genitals burned off is becoming sterile, becoming sterile does not mean having your genitals burned off.

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    2. Re:Yay, sterility! by mehu · · Score: 1

      That should be: a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not necessarily a square.

    3. Re:Yay, sterility! by stinerman · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the benefits of not having to pull out.

    4. Re:Yay, sterility! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laptops won't pay the taxes that keep your pensions and benefits going when all the childless people get old.

    5. Re:Yay, sterility! by daniel_newton · · Score: 1

      Am I the only person out there who thinks that sterility is a good thing? I can buy thousands of high end laptops for what one kid costs.

      maybe not, but im sure noone is keen on blasting ones balls off to achvieve the desired effect

    6. Re:Yay, sterility! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vasectomy sounds good, but theres a good chance the backpressure on the plugged vas will make your nuts hurt for years. I had to get rid of all my tight jeans, can't stand to wear them any more.

      It is less painful than hearing 'honey, we need to talk' though.

    7. Re:Yay, sterility! by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Yes, but if there are less young people, the young people will get a higher average pay, and therefore be able to pay more taxes.

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  16. How? by foo52 · · Score: 1

    Anybody know how it exploded?

    1. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I think the powercells are packed with Na - and this burns pritty well!

    2. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      North Korea was testing their missles.

    3. Re:How? by Scarletdown · · Score: 5, Funny

      Anybody know how it exploded?

      Like this...

      BOOM!!!!!!!!

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    4. Re:How? by p00ked · · Score: 1

      Overclocking.

    5. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows Vista?

    6. Re:How? by bjs555 · · Score: 0

      Add water to sodium and you get a pretty spectacular exothermic reaction. From the picture it looks like sodium flaring up. By the way, be careful if you ever fool around with notebook batteries. If you poke a hole in them with a screwdriver or something and it's a humid day you can get quite a blowtorch. Now where did I put those bandages?

    7. Re:How? by bjs555 · · Score: 0

      The battery more likely contains lithium than sodium but both react strongly with water. The lithium reaction isn't quite as strong as the sodium one but it still does a good job when packed tightly into a narrow tube.

  17. It was from the new Star Trek line... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    ... and had been given conflicting data by windows XP. And in the tried
    and tested manner of computers from Star Trek in that situation, it blew up.

  18. If I were a Dell laptop... by Pink+Tinkletini · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I'd kill myself too.

    1. Re:If I were a Dell laptop... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marvin, is that you?

    2. Re:If I were a Dell laptop... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol @ the video in your sig. funny.

  19. At a Japanese conference? by IAstudent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought someome told Kusanagi to stop diving into random portables.

    1. Re:At a Japanese conference? by DaSenator · · Score: 1

      (Obligatory GiTS:SAC reference follows)

      Can anyone say 'offensive firewall?'

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  20. Imagine.. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..an exploding beowulf cluster of these things!

    1. Re:Imagine.. by FurryFeet · · Score: 1

      Maybe it was the hot grits that made it explode?

    2. Re:Imagine.. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      the Fourthb of July is a few weeks away for us American /.ers!

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    3. Re:Imagine.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is what Bush called Shock and Awe...

    4. Re:Imagine.. by linhux · · Score: 1

      I think that'd be what they call a cluster bomb.

  21. Temperature issues by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Perhaps this will convince manufacturers to start thinking about the temperatures that their computers run at. Sure, they make sure that the processor and hard drive run below their rated maximum temperatures, but in a practical sense, they've been letting computers run too hot. My Asus M2400Ne runs pretty cool most of the time, but the hard drive and AC adapter (both the power brick and the plug) can get so hot that they burn you a little if you hold them for a few seconds. This is ridiculous. You can't build a product that reaches insane temperatures, and then stick a little label that says "Do not use with less than 3 feet of space next to eachvent" on it! Let's see some better cooling. Personally, I think a laptop with one big (4 to 6 inches), slowly rotating fan in the middle of the bottom, plus exhaust vents on the sides and back, would actually look nice, keep the laptop much cooler (no more "hot spots" on the keyboard), and run quietly. (You'd need rubber feet to hold it up enough, but most bottom vents need them.) This would probably also help with blocked vents, since it's much harder to block a huge circle-shaped vent in the middle of the case than a small square vent near the side, where the laptop is likely to rest on your leg.

    1. Re:Temperature issues by MindStalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's see some better cooling. Personally, I think a laptop with one big (4 to 6 inches), slowly rotating fan in the middle of the bottom, plus exhaust vents on the sides and back, would actually look nice, keep the laptop much cooler (no more "hot spots" on the keyboard), and run quietly.

      Or just underclock it, most people don't want or need that much horsepower on the road. They should have a human adjustable clock (instead of the tech adjustable multiplier etc) so that the average user can keep their laptop cool. Then if they need to run heavy stuff, they can crank it up and take it off their lap.

    2. Re:Temperature issues by carlosponti · · Score: 3, Interesting

      the laptop probably had a li-polymer battery which i know for a fact will explode and catch fire if too hot or if improperly charged. I fly RC airplanes and the electric planes are coming with li-polymer and if you charge them wrong or apply too much heat they will explode and catch fire.

    3. Re:Temperature issues by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1
      Personally, I think a laptop with one big (4 to 6 inches), slowly rotating fan in the middle of the bottom, plus exhaust vents on the sides and back, would actually look nice, keep the laptop much cooler (no more "hot spots" on the keyboard), and run quietly.
      Not gonna work unless the case is humongous for a laptop. The problem with a vent in the center is that of the air will flow from the side vent that is least obstructed (eg, not the one which would force air over the HD) -- you'd end up with pockets of warm air where the airflow is not so good. You'd also end up with a less structurally sound case -- the vents are the weakest part of a case, and having them on the side minimizes the risk of damage. What's ideal would be an airpath with the hottest components first, that covers all units inside the the case. Kind of like the side vents we have now -- in/out areside-by-side, with the airpath being circuitous. You also don't want feet on a laptop, as they'd catch on things while you're lugging it around -- a smooth, uniform case is ideal.

      The real solution is to increase efficiency of the components.
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    4. Re:Temperature issues by arodland · · Score: 1

      They should have a human adjustable clock (instead of the tech adjustable multiplier etc) so that the average user can keep their laptop cool.

      You mean like every laptop made in recent history already does?

    5. Re:Temperature issues by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Informative

      That exists already on any reasonably modern mobile CPU (e.g. SpeedStep). Just go into the power management settings and select "max battery life" instead of "max performance" or whatever.

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    6. Re:Temperature issues by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      It helps to have any CPU other than a Pentium 4.

    7. Re:Temperature issues by treads_water · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's not the temperature of the CPU that I think is the issue. It's the amount of energy stored in the battery. A Lithium Ion battery has an energy density that is less than an order of magnitude from that of TNT!


      So, if your battery weighs two pounds, you have the potential energy of roughly a third pound of TNT -- more than enough to cause some serious damage.

      I for one don't want to be killed by keyboard shrapnel!

    8. Re:Temperature issues by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It helps to have any CPU other than a Pentium 4.

      I have a Pentium M. The second Google result for "Asus M2400Ne" shows this. I would never buy a Pentium 4 laptop, for the same reason that I'm not buying a Conroe laptop, even if Merom comes out later. They are too hot, and are really absurd. (From what I've heard, they run at something like 50% CPU speed when unplugged, get ridiculously low battery life, circa 1-2 hours, and are full of fans and fan noise. I'm not saying any of this is true--it's just what I've heard.)

    9. Re:Temperature issues by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 1
      It's not the temperature of the CPU that I think is the issue.

      Sorry. I wasn't referring to this particular issue... I was just saying it brings up larger issues of safety and what temperature is "okay" for a laptop to run at. --ThinkingInBinary

    10. Re:Temperature issues by Yvan256 · · Score: 0

      Even my old ThinkPad 760XL has such settings...

    11. Re:Temperature issues by NSIM · · Score: 1

      If we make the fans big enough and tie them into the shock sensors that Laptops like my IBM have, then we can have the fans turn on really hard when the laptop is been dropped so that it hovers rather than crashing to the floor :-)

    12. Re:Temperature issues by Scarletdown · · Score: 1
      Let's see some better cooling. Personally, I think a laptop with one big (4 to 6 inches), slowly rotating fan in the middle of the bottom, plus exhaust vents on the sides and back, would actually look nice, keep the laptop much cooler (no more "hot spots" on the keyboard), and run quietly.

      After I got my new laptop, a Gateway MX6440, I noticed that she was running a little on the warm side. So, I just went down to one of the local geek shops and bought a Twister Notebook Cooler Pad. It didn't take long at all to notice a big difference in the amount of heat she was putting out afterwards.

      It's USB powered, extremely lightweight, and so quiet that I had to actually lift up the computer to make certain the fans were indeed spinning. It was definitely $15 well spent (they originally had it priced at $20, but the shop's owner gave me a military discount.
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    13. Re:Temperature issues by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 1

      Sweet, laptop hovercraft! Give them side-mounted fans, too, and use WiFi for location, and suddenly you have a remote-control laptop that can fly! Think of the possibilities! Stolen? Just have it fly out of the thief's car and back to your doorstep! Need a hand free? Just put your laptop on a Virtual Shelf (TM) (patent pending) and it will hover at that height until you pick it up. (/me realizes this is Slashdot, and that his previous statement has a meaning he didn't indend. Too late now.)

    14. Re:Temperature issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A friend of mine bought a new 17" hp/compaq and it does have a 4" fan hole on the bottom, with rubber feet to hold it up. It actually has another smaller fan on the bottom too. The output vents make up most of one side. It runs fairly cooly for a 2.8 Ghz x86 dual core AMD with a huge SATA drive and an ATI somethinghugeidon'tremember.

    15. Re:Temperature issues by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      SpeedStep and max battery life will still use most of the processing power possible when you throw an application at it that wants it, it just scales back down when now nessesary, and saves power in the brightness and other settings. What I'm talking about it slowing it down so your applications actually run slower in order to have the laptop run with no fans if nessesary.

    16. Re:Temperature issues by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 1

      I don't know about Windows, but Linux has plenty of tools for this. I use both cpufrequtils and cpufreqd, the most common ones I use are "ondemand" (which gives applciations power when needed but otherwise clocks down), and "powersave" (which runs at lowest clock speed all the time). I haven't dug deep enough into Windows, but I believe WinXP has some similar functions, though you don't have as much control over it.

    17. Re:Temperature issues by AJWM · · Score: 1

      A Lithium Ion battery has an energy density that is less than an order of magnitude from that of TNT!

      Yes, and sugar has an energy density four times that of TNT, fat nearly 10 times.

      What makes TNT so exciting is that it doesn't just burn, it detonates with the shock front moving at several times the speed of sound. If that two pound battery could release its energy in about a tenth of a millisecond (as the equivalent mass of TNT would do), I'd be nervous.

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    18. Re:Temperature issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no air intake on the bottom. I don't want my laptop overheating if I put it down on a table.

      1) Stop using plastic for laptops, its too good an insulator, aluminum is good (even steel would be ok if not too heavy)
      2) Make "SpeedStep(TM)" and other similar features turned ON by default to keep things cool, also some auto-shutdown/slowdown if-too-hot features would be nice.
      3) Better and *SMARTER* use of heatpipes and fans. Bring fresh air in from the sides, eject hot air from the back and top.
      4) Put some cooling on the power bricks (or make them better), it is insane how hot those things get.
      5) PROFIT!

    19. Re:Temperature issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Let's think about this, for a minute...
      1. "one big... fan in the middle of the bottom"
      2. ...of a laptop.

      Not on my lap, thank you.
    20. Re:Temperature issues by eli173 · · Score: 1
      Personally, I think a laptop with one big (4 to 6 inches), slowly rotating fan in the middle of the bottom, plus exhaust vents on the sides and back, would actually look nice, keep the laptop much cooler (no more "hot spots" on the keyboard), and run quietly. (You'd need rubber feet to hold it up enough, but most bottom vents need them.)


      The Toshiba Satellite notebook I have has this basic design. The intake fan on the bottom is probably closer to 3" diameter though.
      Generally, it works pretty well.
    21. Re:Temperature issues by treeves · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying any of this is true--it's just what I've heard. . .

      OK, we need to make an acronym out of that. Approximately every other comment on Slashdot needs that disclaimer. INSAOTIT-IJWIH

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    22. Re:Temperature issues by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      What I'm talking about it slowing it down so your applications actually run slower in order to have the laptop run with no fans if nessesary.

      I was under the impression that that's what "max battery life" was supposed to do. The setting that lets the CPU actually change speed in response to demand ought to be called something else. (I don't use Windows, by the way, so the terms I'm using are OS-agnostic and may vary.)

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    23. Re:Temperature issues by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      No, max-battery life simple turns down the lcd brightness, turns off unessesary devices (unused network cards for example) and turns on SpeedStep (process of changing the clock dynamically). I believe SpeedStep is on in most settings besides Max Performace. By SpeedStep I mean the process of dynamically changing the speed. I know of no way besides bios (and possibly some third party software) to lock the speed below a threshold.

    24. Re:Temperature issues by 6ULDV8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So if you see a fat suicide bomber holding a box of Twinkies, you should really worry?

      I've had primary lithium cells "vent" (I called it an explosion, but the manufacturer disagreed), I even have photos of the aftermath. It's a very rapid process and creates enough compression to disassemble things much like a genuine explosive device. The batteries themselves as well as the container become flaming projectiles in cases like mine. I have burnt carpet to prove it. This "venting" can even take place hours AFTER the batteries are depleted. My battery failure had a mass of less than an ounce (1 3V 123A Ultralast cell manufactured by North American Battery Company) and it destroyed a flashlight and lit my carpet on fire.

      Admittedly, I didn't have my chronograph running quickly enough to determine if it happened within a tenth of a millisecond, but it was lickity split(TM) and very, very LOUD. So while it may not pack the same punch as TNT, I'd still prefer it not impact my more delicate parts.

      Manufacturers of devices dependant upon lithium batteries are well versed in the dangers of using poorly designed batteries and will readily communicate preferred brands as well as caution against others. You should probably believe them.

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    25. Re:Temperature issues by Yoshy · · Score: 1

      Ohh thanks for the new sig

    26. Re:Temperature issues by moonbender · · Score: 1

      I think one of the Windows control settings will actually force the multipliers to its lowest settings. Regardless, the Windows controls suck hard. Get Notebook hardware control to have total control over the multipliers and, as a bonus, over the voltage the CPU is supplied with at any given voltage. My Dothan is running at ULV voltages now... nice!

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    27. Re:Temperature issues by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, great idea give someone who knows nothing about the damaging effects of different voltages direct control of the voltage. As I said at the beginning why isn't there a simple throttle that can make the multiplier and voltage corrections itself... Seems like the geeks want to create complicated mechanisms, and the non geeks don't even consider that it can be done.

    28. Re:Temperature issues by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Shrug. Not sure what your problem is, all the things you want already exist. All modern operating systems already throttle the CPU, and for power users there are tools to manually control the multiplier. For fine tuning you can even control the voltage and make your CPU run even cooler, but it's not like anybody is forcing you to do it, in fact the program specifically warns its users and enforces a stability check when changing a voltage.

      On a side note I think you'd have a very hard time damaging anything with the program. The CPU probably just doesn't accept far too high voltages, and all modern CPUs shut themselves down on overheating, lastly setting the voltage to low results in instability and shutting down, but no damage, either.

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    29. Re:Temperature issues by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      What I'm looking for is an easy to use manual throttle, IE the ability to simply set maxiumum Ghz to eliminate the need for fan cooling, and expect it to not go over that even on load. Sure one can do that is bios or with these controls but only if they understand voltage and multiplier settings (yes they can look them up, but thats no the point).

    30. Re:Temperature issues by Hatta · · Score: 1

      SpeedStep and max battery life will still use most of the processing power possible when you throw an application at it that wants it, it just scales back down when now nessesary, and saves power in the brightness and other settings. What I'm talking about it slowing it down so your applications actually run slower in order to have the laptop run with no fans if nessesary.

      But if your applications run slower, than you'll spend more time on the computer for any given task. So even though your battery lasts longer, you won't be getting any more done.

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    31. Re:Temperature issues by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      but you will be able to actually use the laptop without a table while the background task runs...........

      also some apps (especailly games and editing tools for games) burn 100% CPU all the time, even if your just sitting at the menu screen or viewing an unchanging scene in the editor.

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    32. Re:Temperature issues by fdiskit · · Score: 1
      "You can't build a product that reaches insane temperatures, and then stick a little label that says "Do not use with less than 3 feet of space next to eachvent" on it!

      Sure you can. Here, have a nice cup of McDonald's coffee. Mmmmm. Toasty.

    33. Re:Temperature issues by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu Linux already underclocks the CPU unless it detects I am doing something intensive. Its sweet.

      For those running it on a laptop, go right mouse button click on the bar on the top of the screen in Gnome and add the cpu gauge applet?

      With acpi and modern versions of windows and linux the underclocking should take care of itself. I assume XP does this as well?

  22. I for one... (obligatory) by Pitr · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I for one welcome our new exploding laptop masters!

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  23. I wonder... by dubmun · · Score: 1
    "For the record, this is a Dell machine," notes Guilhem. "It is only a matter of time until such an incident breaks out on a plane," he suggests.
    I wonder what the US Marshall onboard would do?
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    1. Re:I wonder... by Belgarion89 · · Score: 1

      Pint, laugh, and take pictures, just like everyone else was doing. Or just shoot the thing and it's owner, except that that'd involve lots of paperwork.

    2. Re:I wonder... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder what the US Marshall onboard would do?

      First, he would carefully return his pristine copy of American Rifleman to its snug sealed fold within his kevlar jacket, then reach into his jacket holster and withdraw his standard issue SIG-Sauer P228. Then, in one brisk motion, he would adjust his stetson/baseball cap, stand out of his seat, face the explosion and flick back his jacket revealing; one flawlessly polished United States Marshals Service badge, one flawlessly polished State of Texas belt buckle(large), one flawlessly polished non standard issue Smith and Western Model 500 holstered to right of belt buckle.

      He would then proceed to unload all fifteen rounds of the P228 into the laptop and its owner, causing further combustions of the laptop, and naturally killing the misfortuate passenger come terrorist, who only moments before would have been enjoying a quiet morning flight while reading left wing Californian blogs over the inflight coffee. A number of the bullets would obviously rupture the aircrafts fragile hull, and as a result of the altitude, the entire plane would begin to depressurise and disintegrate.

      As the wind howls about him and as passengers begin to be sucked out of the plane still vainly clutching at their chairs, the marshal would leap forward, land a solid punch on the jaw of the laptop owner's corpse, and, just before the chair that now contained them both was torn away by the wind, the marshal would reach for his handcuffs, and neatly clamp one end about the corpses wrist, and one about his own.

      As the gale finally takes the pair, the remaining doomed passengers will just faintly make out the brave hero's final words, carried by chance on swirling eddies:

      United States Marshalls!!!! Freeze!!!

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    3. Re:I wonder... by ToxikFetus · · Score: 1
      I wonder what the US Marshall onboard would do?

      US Marshall: "Dude! You're going to Guantánamo!"

    4. Re:I wonder... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      A number of the bullets would obviously rupture the aircrafts fragile hull, and as a result of the altitude, the entire plane would begin to depressurise and disintegrate.

      no it wont. popping several holes in a pressurized plane even a window will not destroy or even cause major damage to a plane.

      Anyone into avionics and avaiation knows this as well as mythbusters also proved it. the only way they did any major damage was lots of primercord and shaped explosive charges.

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    5. Re:I wonder... by phyrebyrd · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You obviously haven't seen MythBusters...

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    6. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does it feel to be a complete moron?

    7. Re:I wonder... by Ruvim · · Score: 1

      The US Marshalls' "standard in-flight issue" gun supposed to be non-hull-penetrating.

    8. Re:I wonder... by Culture · · Score: 1

      Smith 50, shaped charge. They are about the same thing. That thing is the RPG of revolvers. You know, a Smith 50 is the only thing Chuck Noris fears, as it is ACTUALLY CAPABLE OF SLIGHTLY ABRADING HIS SKIN! Aan airplane stands no chance.

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    9. Re:I wonder... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      A number of the bullets would obviously rupture the aircrafts fragile hull, and as a result of the altitude, the entire plane would begin to depressurise and disintegrate.

      no it wont. popping several holes in a pressurized plane even a window will not destroy or even cause major damage to a plane.


      Not only that: Air Marshals' guns fire big, slow, "frangible" bullets - optimized for a good combination of lack of penertation of windows and hull with high (or at least adequate) "stopping power" against a human body.

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    10. Re:I wonder... by CCFreak2K · · Score: 1

      Slashdot really needs a Best Of section for comments, because this has to be the best thing I have read in a LONG time.

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    11. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    12. Re:I wonder... by Wes+Janson · · Score: 1

      JOKE! It's a JOKE! Jeez, doesn't anyone understand sarcasm these days?

    13. Re:I wonder... by murr · · Score: 1
      I wonder what the US Marshall onboard would do?
      Well, the phrase that comes to mind is "Get these motherf^&*%^ Dells off my motherf%%^& plane!"
    14. Re:I wonder... by evilviper · · Score: 1
      popping several holes in a pressurized plane even a window will not destroy or even cause major damage to a plane.

      Agreed. However:

      as well as mythbusters also proved it.

      "Mythbusters" and "proved" don't EVER belong in the same sentence.

      They do silly little explosions and special-effects, but they aren't even REMOTELY as controlled as you need to be to prove anything. They also like to just arbitrarily pick numbers (height, speed, weight, pressure, etc). They can't even demonstrate/re-create something they KNOW has happened repeatedly.

      For the airplane depressurization in particular, though they had it pressurized, they didn't even attempt to simulate the 1,000km/h winds.
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    15. Re:I wonder... by bronney · · Score: 1

      one flawlessly polished non standard issue Smith and Western Model 500 holstered to right of belt buckle

      It's Smith & Wesson.

    16. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An Aloha Airlines flight however, did have catastrophic depressurization over 15,000 feet. Despite almost the entire upper half of the 1st class compartment being ripped off, nobody who was seated died. Only one flight attendant was lost.

    17. Re:I wonder... by Apoklypse · · Score: 1

      but, how does it end?! waiting breathlessly for the sequel ...

    18. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Anyone into avionics and avaiation knows this as well as mythbusters also
      > proved it. the only way they did any major damage was lots of primercord
      > and shaped explosive charges.

      They did this on the ground in a non-moving aircraft. I doubt you are 'into' avionics and aviation, or surely you would have seen the importance of a few hundred km/h gust blowing along a aerodynamic shape that suddenly turns very non-aerodynamic in certain locations...

  24. on a plane? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

    "It is only a matter of time until such an incident breaks out on a plane"

    Hmmm, sounds like a great idea for a movie...

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    1. Re:on a plane? by steveo777 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Probably will work out better than snakes...

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    2. Re:on a plane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      "That's. it. I want these motherf****** laptops off this motherf****** plane."

  25. On a plane by Bromskloss · · Score: 1
    The photographer says
    It is only a matter of time until such an incident breaks out on a plane
    I say that it wouldn't cause much harm to the flight unless it happened just next to the pilots or something. It _shouldn't_ cause much harm to the flight! Just a small fire, easy to put out, that's all. Imagine a large passenger flying machine, where this happens in the cabin. The pilots would probably not even notice until informed by the cabin crew afterwards. (Especially not nowadays with locked doors due to all the tourism.. sorry, terrorism paranoia.)
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    1. Re:On a plane by codemaster2b · · Score: 2, Informative

      They would notice because the automated fire / smoke detection systems would notify them.

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    2. Re:On a plane by Starker_Kull · · Score: 1
      They would notice because the automated fire / smoke detection systems would notify them.

      Or because the flames melted those nice, black 80% polyester pants most airline pilots wear.... ;)

      Actually, on most modern airliners, there are only smoke detectors in "inaccessable" areas, such as the cargo compartments, avionics racks, engines, etc. Generally, the one place in the passenger cabin that has smoke detectors is the lav - guess why?

    3. Re:On a plane by dtjohnson · · Score: 0

      Laptop batteries hold a lot of energy and could obviously be used by the bad guys to do bad things on an airplane. A year ago, at great difficulty, I emailed some info on this to Homeland Security. Other than getting put into their database as a certified crank and possible terrorist, I never heard a word or a question. No doubt, they're hard at work on the problem, though. Right.

  26. Terrorism? *kidding* by davidwr · · Score: 1, Funny

    Was this....

    ATTEMPTED MURDER?

    Steal a laptop, replace it's battery with an explosive one, and set it to explode when it is in a certain place or at a certain time.

    OMG I guess they'll have to ban laptops from airplanes now.

    Hey Osama, wanna laptop?

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    1. Re:Terrorism? *kidding* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DUMBEST...POST...EVER!!!!!

    2. Re:Terrorism? *kidding* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A new reason to ban computer exports to other countries?

  27. Laptops can't... by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mow your lawn
    Make your lunch
    Give you a hug
    Smile
    Hold your hand
    Carry your bag
    Laugh
    Get sick
    Cry
    Call you at work
    Run into you

    No matter how many laptops you buy, you won't be able to share your life, your lessons, your beliefs, or your ideas with a laptop. Though if you get sterilized, at least you can adopt a kid.

    1. Re:Laptops can't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      wreck your car
      steal your money
      kill you in your sleep and run off with your daughter
      go crazy in high school and shoot a lot of people
      get pregnant
      get someone pregnant

      I for one would be happy to see more people sterilized, but voluntarily and not by exploding laptops.

    2. Re:Laptops can't... by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Laptops also can't scream "Daddy I hate you!" and steal your beloved laptop to pawn for drugs :(

    3. Re:Laptops can't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only time before computers/robots can mow your lawn and carry your bag.
      Who has kids who make their lunch? I was pretty sure it was the other way around most/all of the time. Additionally, I enjoy making my own lunch...
      Your SO can give you a hug, smile, hold you hand, laugh, and call you at work.
      Who actually wants someone to get sick or cry?
      You can run into friends.

      You could share your life lessons, beliefs and ideas with a laptop...it will be more likely to remember them too.

    4. Re:Laptops can't... by heinousjay · · Score: 1

      I can only hope this means you've removed your own gonads.

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    5. Re:Laptops can't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "wreck your car"

      you just wait

    6. Re:Laptops can't... by LinuxHam · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No matter how many laptops you buy, you won't be able to share your life, your lessons, your beliefs, or your ideas with a laptop.

      You obviously don't run an ALICE bot :) Its the closest thing to producing a digital "mini me", created after your own image. Learning from your lessons. Following your beliefs. Remembering your ideas forever.

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    7. Re:Laptops can't... by pla · · Score: 1

      Laptops can't...

      But Mexicans can. ;-)



      Actually, of that list, I would only consider one as actually useful (mow the lawn). Another two (make lunch, carry bag) you can at least call marginally convenient (though personally I like my lunch made just so).

      Fully six of them I'd rather not have, thankyouverymuch.

      And laughing and smiling, well, I wouldn't complain, but I'd certainly much rather have a nice laptop...


      And for those keeping count from the original list - "hugging" and "holding hands" (and a variety of other "well-intended physical contact" activities), when done by children, singlehandedly takes the credit for spreading most modern flus.

    8. Re:Laptops can't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You first.

    9. Re:Laptops can't... by mypalmike · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend does all that stuff.

      Buy 2.5 laptops and join vhemt. http://www.vhemt.org/

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    10. Re:Laptops can't... by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend does all that stuff.

      Silly boy, don't you know that we fully cost more than a kid?

      Oh, and do you think you could pick me up something to eat? I'm busy playing WoW, and it'd be *so* great if you could pick something up, because I'm just too busy with MC.

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    11. Re:Laptops can't... by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Silly boy, don't you know that we fully cost more than a kid?

      Except that you (women) can have a job and help out with expenses. Kids usually are nothing but a drain. FWIW, I personally wouldn't be with someone that depended on me financially.

    12. Re:Laptops can't... by Hard_Code · · Score: 0, Troll

      - Mow your lawn

      they make machines for that

      - Make your lunch

      really? how many kids make their *parents* lunch? I've never heard of this one. Anyway, I can easily make or pack my own lunch, or trade green paper for it.

      - Give you a hug

      not necessary

      - Smile

      overratted

      - Hold your hand

      germs

      - Carry your bag

      Although I like where you are going with the forced labor theme, unfortunately most children just aren't that capable. I don't really have that many bags that need holding (or dropping) either.

      - Laugh

      see Smile

      - Get sick

      I'm not so sure about this one...computers seem to be able to get sick just fine

      - Cry

      Which is fortunate as that would probably fry the electronics.

      - Call you at work

      Thank god.

      - Run into you

      You got me on this one. I'll just have to take your word for it. I never really felt the need to be "run into".

      - No matter how many laptops you buy, you won't be able to share your life, your lessons, your beliefs, or your ideas with a laptop.

      Boo hoo. For one, I probably can share all of those things with a laptop. But secondly, isn't it at least a little selfish and conceited to require the existence of somebody else *just* to "share" yourself with? Maybe my life, lessons and beliefs are just stupid. Is it right for me to force that stupidity on a child that doesn't really know any better? At the least its just a futile ego trip.

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    13. Re:Laptops can't... by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Kids usually are nothing but a drain.

      Short term, maybe. But somebody has to support the next level of the Ponzi scheme called Social Security.

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    14. Re:Laptops can't... by mypalmike · · Score: 1

      Silly boy, don't you know that we fully cost more than a kid?

      Not if you take into account the aggregate long term environmental effects. :) Vhemt!

      Oh, and do you think you could pick me up something to eat? I'm busy playing WoW, and it'd be *so* great if you could pick something up, because I'm just too busy with MC.

      Sure. Indian OK? And I assume MC = Missile Command?

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    15. Re:Laptops can't... by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      Except that you (women) can have a job and help out with expenses.

      Well, so were kids able to before child labor laws... I still think we're better off.

      Kids usually are nothing but a drain.

      As someone else mentioned, the idea is that kids later become better off than you were, and can help support you in your older ages, when you're not able to support yourself.

      FWIW, I personally wouldn't be with someone that depended on me financially.

      Well, you should go out and get a job then. *laugh* I wouldn't depend on a guy financially either, as much respect as I have for house wives, and have entertained the idea of being one myself, I don't think I could stand it. Of course, it would be great though, if my husband were to make enough that I didn't have to work, and I could just stay home.

      Of course, I'd also hate to become the stereotypical woman sitting at home eating bon bons, and watching Oprah. Ick, that just sounds horrible.

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    16. Re:Laptops can't... by Cecil · · Score: 1

      MC = Molten Core. The first serious 40-player raid instance which marks the beginning of WoW's endgame progression. And generally takes several hours or even 10s of hours for an inexperienced raid group, hence the request for food.

    17. Re:Laptops can't... by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 1

      Germs are good for ya. Seriously, it's not bad to get sick once in a while. It helps you build antibodies for when you catch something *really* nasty.

    18. Re:Laptops can't... by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      I assume MC = Missile Command?

      No, MC = Molten Core, I mentioned WoW earlier. Maybe you're not one of the hardcore addicts like me...

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    19. Re:Laptops can't... by Thwomp · · Score: 1

      "No matter how many laptops you buy, you won't be able to share your life, your lessons, your beliefs, or your ideas with a laptop."

      Well I don't know about that, I've met some pretty obsessive mac fans...

    20. Re:Laptops can't... by tiocsti · · Score: 1

      Of course, I'd also hate to become the stereotypical woman sitting at home eating bon bons, and watching Oprah. Ick, that just sounds horrible.

      If you stayed home, you'd have time to raid more and aquire the really cool epic sets, though.

    21. Re:Laptops can't... by r00t · · Score: 1

      Laptops can't visit you when you are old.

    22. Re:Laptops can't... by i_am_not_a_script_03 · · Score: 1

      ALICE: Steve said I behead the word fox and I have ox and an ox is larger than a fox.
      Human: did Steve really say that?
      ALICE: I'm not certain whether I can give an accurate reply or not.

      I'll stick to my 4 year old thank you.

    23. Re:Laptops can't... by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Well, so were kids able to before child labor laws... I still think we're better off.

      Not sure what you're trying to get at here.. I wasn't advocating removing child labor laws. I wasn't even being totally serious in my reply :-)

      As someone else mentioned, the idea is that kids later become better off than you were, and can help support you in your older ages, when you're not able to support yourself.

      Bleck, no thanks. If i can't take care of myself anymore, its time to check out. To me, depending on others means I've sacificed my freedom.

      Well, you should go out and get a job then. *laugh*

      I have one. :-) Just a break (and its slow, between phases now).

      I wouldn't depend on a guy financially either, as much respect as I have for house wives, and have entertained the idea of being one myself, I don't think I could stand it. Of course, it would be great though, if my husband were to make enough that I didn't have to work, and I could just stay home.

      Of course, I'd also hate to become the stereotypical woman sitting at home eating bon bons, and watching Oprah. Ick, that just sounds horrible.


      It sounds fun at first, but my wife knows some housewives, and they are insanely bored. Worse, one with a kid doesn't get to see any adults, and feels like her mind is turning to mush.. before she had a kid, she was in college to become a doctor... now she feels dumb and doesn't really get any intellectial stimulate... so based on that small sample, I'd advise against becoming a housewife (or house husband, for that matter).

      At any rate, my original comment was half in jest anyway, I didn't think it would get any replies :-)

    24. Re:Laptops can't... by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      At any rate, my original comment was half in jest anyway, I didn't think it would get any replies :-)

      As were mine in jest also. I just don't know how to let a joke die though ;)

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    25. Re:Laptops can't... by mypalmike · · Score: 1

      I guess I should have added a ;) to the Missile Command joke.

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  28. New name? by Billosaur · · Score: 1

    Perhaps we need to find a new name for them other than "laptop." I'm certainly not putting my HP on my lap without a sheet of Space Shuttle tiles between me and it.

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    1. Re:New name? by linvir · · Score: 1

      Those space shuttle tiles will protect your legs alright. Now, what about your chest, arms and face? Those will take the exact same amount of damage as if you were using it on a desk.

      The truth is that there is no point in worrying about this unless you happen to run a similar model to the one that went bang. Using your laptop on your lap or not is a mere detail (though sensationalised by the author of the linked page). The explosion itself is the real issue.

    2. Re:New name? by Qubit · · Score: 1
      without a sheet of Space Shuttle tiles between me and it.

      if the heat doesn't get to your nads, the falling foam sure will...
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    3. Re:New name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds good, but once someone drops a chunk of foam on your setup, it's all over.

    4. Re:New name? by mwilliamson · · Score: 1

      While they offer great thermal resistance, space shuttle tiles really don't offer much impact resistance. This is a duty for a combination of my asbestos underwear and my titanium cup.

  29. You FOOL!! by linvir · · Score: 0, Redundant

    All the high-end laptops in the world will never replace your destroyed manhood!!

    Did you even read the title of this story? Laptop EXPLODES!! After an experience like that, the last thing on my mind would be buying thousands of laptops with all the money I'd save on kids!

  30. This is a common occurence by Psykechan · · Score: 5, Informative
    I was going to make a joke linking this story and a recent story about an iBook catching fire (on video as well) with Dell now listing Apple Mac OS X as a choice on their driver download page. This is serious though.

    People, do not use your laptop on carpet or in situations where it may not get ample ventilation. It can burst into flames and harm people or property... well definitely the laptop at least. Read your manuals and follow the disclaimers.

    Warning: Do not place your iBook G4 on a pillow or other soft material when it is on,
    as the material may block the airflow vents, in particular the rear vents, and cause the
    computer to overheat. -Apple iBook manual (Page 70)

    1. Re:This is a common occurence by Wootzor+von+Leetenha · · Score: 1

      Crap. I leave my laptop on my bed. It's a centrino though, and haven't had any problems yet. It should be fine... ....

      *runs home*

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    2. Re:This is a common occurence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dell now listing Apple Mac OS X as a choice on their driver download page

      Well, duh, I would hope Dell would have OSX drivers for their printers, it would suck to have a new printer without drivers.

    3. Re:This is a common occurence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yea page 70, nice and accessible.

      Lol.

    4. Re:This is a common occurence by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Like hell it's a common occurrence. It's very, very, rare for a notebook computer to burst into flames and explode. If it was common, you'd have heard about it on the news how it happened at a local Starbucks, college, or airline flight, fairly often. You'd hear stories of IT workers saying, "avoid this notebook because it's very common for it to bursts into flames and explodes".

      No, it's not common at all.

      Also, nice try attempting to pretend like this was due to user error. Unlike the iBook, the Dell was not placed on a carpet. It was on a table. Granted, there's a tablecloth, but that's very much unlike a carpet. Did you happen to notice all the other notebooks on the very same tablecloths?

      To recap, it's very rare, it has happened to an iBook G4, although under more severe conditions, and the resulting fire was significantly less extreme.

  31. Dell D800? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That looks like a Dell Latitude D800?

    Anyone else know of any models that look like that?

    1. Re:Dell D800? by neonprimetime · · Score: 1

      Pretty much every laptop looks like that when it's on fire!

  32. The Fresh Maker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rule 1: Do not put Mentos in laptop.

  33. Re: Linux On Fire? by Mindragon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anyone know if the screen displayed "LP On Fire?"

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  34. Imagine ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a beowulf cluster of this

  35. Solved that one... by amdandcode · · Score: 1

    When I got I8kfanGUI (http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/).

    It doesn't work on all Dell models, but I've been using it on my Inspiron 9300 with no problems at all. My dad also uses it on his laptop and it works just great. One problem with Dell laptops is they don't kick the fans on soon enough or high enough - not to mention the cooling pathways are rather poorly designed. If you're going to bypass the built-in rules Dell provides on the BIOS, however, you need to make sure you know what you're doing or you can cause even more damage. My notebook got ridiculously hot before bypassing the default BIOS settings but works fine now - even in my lap.

    1. Re:Solved that one... by un1xl0ser · · Score: 1

      I understand why you would want to do this, but here is the rub. How are we sure that the owner of the laptop that was on fire didn't run an application like that to make his laptop more silent? How do we know that he didn't install software and the software just failed?

      IMHO, the laptop should have a certain point where it just shuts down when it gets too hot. Playing around with that setting isn't always a good thing.

      If a company makes a laptop that is way too hot ... don't buy it. Puting it on blocks of ice, or having extra fans and even hacking the software doesn't avoid the fact that you are buying shit hardware.

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  36. all I can think to say... by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

    ...is shout "OPA!", and smash a plate! (Like they do in Greek restaurants.)

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  37. The situation is improving by DigitalRaptor · · Score: 1

    I have a Dell Inspiron 9100 (looks just like the one pictured, on fire), and that sucker pulls 90 watts just sitting there, and over 110 when watching a movie!

    It's a couple years old.

    My wife just got a Dell E1505, and it's a faster machine, but only pulls 28 watts sitting there and 35 watching a movie.

    Unless you wire it right into the car battery, I can't even run my laptop with my 600 watt inverter, the inverter just can't get enough juice from the cigarette lighter.

    The E1505 can run right off the cigarette lighter with a $20 100 watt inverter that just hangs out of the cigarette lighter.

    So I can totally see how my laptop would be MUCH more likely to catch fire than hers. Hmm, time to upgrade.

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    1. Re:The situation is improving by codemaster2b · · Score: 1

      It can't run off a 600Watt, when it takes 90-110? Thats just nonsense. First, cars aren't going to give you 600 - that's peak anyhow. Try 13.5 volts at 15 Amps (fused) = 200 Watts. You can have a 3000 Watt Inverter, but you have to wire it yourself, and bypass some fuses.

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    2. Re:The situation is improving by DigitalRaptor · · Score: 1

      but you have to wire it yourself, and bypass some fuses.

      As I said, my 600W inverter will power my laptop if it's wired directly into the battery, but pulls too much juice to do it through the cigarette lighter.

      You are right, a 200W inverter would work, if the cigarette lighter would sustain that, but my epxerience has been that they don't put out enough juice to power my laptop, but easily power my wifes.

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    3. Re:The situation is improving by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I have a Dell 700m and it has very low power requirements. Only draws 20 watts most of the time (unless I'm compiling, etc.). Most of the time the fan doesn't even run. It gets warm but no problem using it as a laptop. Great performance (1.7 GHz Pentium M)

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    4. Re:The situation is improving by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      The problem is the power bricks have poor power factors and draw non linear currents. In laymans terms, whilst they consume an average of 90W, the inverter cops the effects of a 130W load.

    5. Re:The situation is improving by DigitalRaptor · · Score: 1

      I was using a Kill-A-Watt to test it, so the 90W took into account the inefficiency of the brick.

      That's another thing, the brick on my wifes laptop is the a little bigger than a deck of card, and the brick on mine is literally the size and weight of a brick. Grrrr... I have laptop envy... :}

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  38. [Offtopic] Clichés by linvir · · Score: 1

    Any Slashdotters reading this also frequent Fark.com? If so, I'd like to know which you think is worse in terms of lame clichés being wheeled out at every opportunity.

    1. Re:[Offtopic] Clichés by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      I dunno, fark has more of a cult following while slashdot is a bit more diverse. ...
       
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  39. Just curious... by foo52 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does Dell cover explosions in their warrenty?

    1. Re:Just curious... by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Send in a picture of a burnt penis as proof and check? ;-p

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  40. Definitive Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not Vista ready

  41. Second picture by LordSnooty · · Score: 5, Funny

    I like the way that in the second picture, the laptop is still burning, yet just in the shot you can see some geek typing on another laptop, just a couple of feet away. Not even a fire can stop a geek from bashing out some code! Or maybe he's on IRC: "d00dz, a laptop just caught fire in front of me!!! Freaky!! Its still burnin..."

    1. Re:Second picture by fonetik · · Score: 1
      If you think about it though, probability-wise the other laptops there now have fantastically low odds of blowing up. What would the chances be of two laptops randomly deciding to blow up at the same time?

      Obscure reference, but that reminds me of a scene in "The World According to Garp" when Robin Williams is looking at a house and a plane crashes into it. His wife and the real estate agent are still reeling from it and he suddenly says:

      "We'll take the house. Honey, the chances of another plane hitting this house are astronomical. It's been pre-disastered. We're going to be safe here."

    2. Re:Second picture by crawling_chaos · · Score: 1

      He was probably in a high end raiding guild. Machine explosion would not be a valid excuse for bailing in the middle of Blackrock Spire.

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    3. Re:Second picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing IRC.

      <L1nUck$H4x0r> AFK, laptop on fire

    4. Re:Second picture by joranbelar · · Score: 4, Funny

      [17:53] <ConferenceGeek> afk, exploding laptop

    5. Re:Second picture by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      I dunno, if I was a laptop and I saw that shit, I'd be laughing so hard my battery would short out, too.

    6. Re:Second picture by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

      And I'm sure whenever you drive pass an accident you immediately jump out of your car and run for the hills?

    7. Re:Second picture by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      If the car is burning and exploding, and I'm heading into it, yes I might consider running to the hills or something similar...

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  42. Let me guess by bigattichouse · · Score: 4, Funny

    Was that laptop was web server host to the previous slashdot story?

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  43. What caught fire? by NekoXP · · Score: 1

    The laptop set alight?

    Or it set the pretty silk tablecloth alight with it's heat, which then in turn burned the laptop?

    Either way the damn thing was too hot, but I don't think laptops just burst into flame if you have them on a table.

  44. Videos? by Mr.Sharpy · · Score: 1

    Are there any videos? A video would be priceless

  45. This is Dvorak's fault! by ezratrumpet · · Score: 1

    All those people, typing upwards of 200 wpm....it was just a matter of time before a laptop caught fire. Now maybe we'll end all of new-fangled keyboard layouts to help people "type faster" and stick with QWERTY like Bill, Steve, and Mike intended. It's for the greater good and all.

  46. dude u got a dell by mfh · · Score: 1

    That's the reference, not dude where's my car. We always joke about this when the dells come into the shop for repairs... DUDE U GOT A DELL!! HAHAH~!!!! SORRY ABOUT YOUR LUCK.

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  47. Re:RELIABLE SOURCE MY @$$!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dude, this is not the National Enquirer. This is a British technology webiste.

  48. Dude, you're gettin' a skin graft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is what they'd be saying if the owner had been using it on his lap at ignition time.

    1. Re:Dude, you're gettin' a skin graft! by zettabyte · · Score: 1

      That's frickin' hilarious! Sorry about that.

      Maybe log in and post next time, that might make you more visible.

      If I could give it back I would.

  49. Lapt0p Esplodes!! by gforce811 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Oh Noes!!!1!one

  50. Now you see why fuel cell laptops are a good idea by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    The water vapor coming out the other end of the fuel cell allows one to put out the flames on a coworker's Dell.

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  51. Battery explosion... by dpaton.net · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Very obviously a LiIon/LiPoly/LiEtc battery explosion. They go off like small bombs when abused to an extreme (short circuit, overcharge). My guess is that something went terribly wrong with the charge controller, and fried the pack. The phenomenon isn't news, just that some other failure caused it. It's unfortunate that it happened, but it's a good lesson about why extra care is needed with volatile technologies. As a EE, I can say with authority that it's easy to design a very safe battery management system. It's when production cost reduction folks get involved and cut corners that things often go wrong, or when someone thinks they can optimize something without a full understanding

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    1. Re:Battery explosion... by NotQuiteInsane · · Score: 5, Informative
      Must have been a pretty catastrophic failure. There are usually at least three levels of protection on any lithium-ion battery:
      • PTC cutoff switch - there's an overtemperature cutoff switch inside each Li-ion cell. If the cell gets too hot, the resettable cutoff switch disconnects the battery from the others. If it gets really, REALLY hot, then that cutoff becomes permanent. This is a last resort protection device, and should NOT be relied on to work. It's there to try and limit damage if everything else fails.
      • Protection circuit - monitors state-of-charge, voltage, temperature and input/output current of the battery. If the battery voltage is too low or too high, or if you try to overcharge or over discharge the pack, the circuit disconnects the battery pack from everything else until the voltage, etc. returns to its normal 'safe' range. If you REALLY piss off the protection circuit, it will literally blow a fuse - most packs are fitted with an "SC-Protector", which is basically a fuse that can be blown by an electrical signal (a "self destruct input" if you will). Not only do you get the overcurrent characteristics of a fuse, you also get to blow it if something bad happens. SC-Protectors are not readily available in quantities less than a thousand or so, so once it's blown your battery pack becomes a brick.
      • Charge controller - the charging circuit should continuously monitor its output, and shut down if it goes out of range. Not all of them do...

      The problem with Li-ion (and to a greater degree, Lithium Polymer) cells is that they're so sensitive - charge them over 4.2V or discharge them below 3.2V and the cell will be damaged. Abuse it a lot and it will blow up. To get that to happen in a properly designed circuit, you'd need a chain of failures:

      • First, the protection circuit would have to fail in some way that would prevent it from protecting the battery pack. A shorted switching transistor (usually a MOSFET) and a dead SC-Protector drive transistor would do that nicely. The protection IC can see something's really, really wrong, but it won't be able to do anything about it. Bear in mind the switching transistor has to handle the power of charging and discharging - it takes quite a beating. Shorted MOSFETs really aren't that rare.
      • Next you'd have to have a failure in the charge circuit that causes the battery to be overcharged. For the sake of argument, let's say the charge IC has latched up. It no longer regulates its output voltage properly and - again, for the sake of argument - we'll say that there's 5V over each cell instead of 4.2V.
      • Now that fault condition has to exist for long enough that the cell electrolyte will break down (usually into hydrogen and other miscellaneous nasties). When that happens, the safety vent will fire and the battery ejects a hot stream of gas.
      • Now the final act. A little spark (say, from the PTC switch) and that hydrogen catches fire. That flame heats up another cell to the point where the vent fires, and you have a second cell joining in the explosive fun. In a few seconds, that cell will set fire to another, and the process will keep on repeating until the cells burn each other out, and the fire runs out of fuel.

      The big problem with Li-ions is that they're inherently unstable. The nickel-based batteries tend to be much more forgiving of abuse. They usually don't blow up unless you really, really abuse them. You might damage them and reduce their capacity a bit, but you usually won't be able to make them explode or spontaneously combust without some serious work. They do have a lower energy density and terminal voltage than Li-ion and Li-Polymer, though, which might partially explain why they're more stable.

    2. Re:Battery explosion... by dpaton.net · · Score: 2, Informative

      Specifically, LiPoly packs explode in a shower of burning electrolyte propelled by gas (O2). This is a pretty well known phenomenon among the model airplane and helicopter guys that fly the little electric 'park flyers'. Overcharge a pack by even 200mV, and they start to heat exponentially. Keep going, and kabang, no spark needed (see overcharge explosion videos here or here.). Something as innocuous as a bad aftermarket charger (with the charger and pack management in 'fast charge' mode) or a partially failed onboard charge controller (seen plenty of those...due to bad chargers no less) can do that, if the charger ignores the charge meter data coming back from the computer for too long, and the local controller in the computer is designed to use a smarter or higher quality external supply (I've seen it happen before). The thing I've seen that distrubs me the most is the increasing use of LiPoly cells in packs that only contain a thermistor and a series PTC resistor for temperature monitoring and protection (like the old NiMh packs), relying on external circuitry to manage current and voltage protection. All it takes is a paperclip to turn one of those into a hazardous device. And for the record, most LiPoly cells use LiCoO2 or LiMn2O4 chemistry, without the OH-s we all loved from the NiMH and NiCd days (aka, no hydrogen, only oxygen, which is still very explosive in it's gaseous form)

      I dearly love the power desnity of Li-XX batteries, but damn, be careful with them. They're nasty when you cross them.

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    3. Re:Battery explosion... by node+3 · · Score: 1
      The phenomenon isn't news
      It's not news that lithium burns when exposed to water (including moisture in the air). What is news is that it happened in a consumer device under seemingly normal conditions.

      Imagine, those silly consumers thinking it'd be worthwhile to know if things often used on or near one's body have exploded in real-world usage! Fortunately, the news is that it happened once, not that it's happening a lot.

      Besides, even the phenomenon itself is news to most people (they have no understanding of the chemical properties of lithium). As an EE (or expert in any field), you should be used to hearing things on the news you already knew.

      As a EE, I can say with authority that it's easy to design a very safe battery management system. It's when production cost reduction folks get involved and cut corners that things often go wrong, or when someone thinks they can optimize something without a full understanding
      All too true.
  52. whoa, some hot downloads there, d00d! by swschrad · · Score: 2, Funny

    caption that picture "revenge of the RIAA."

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  53. Warning! by Cleon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Caution - laptop may run a little warm. ;)

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  54. let me guess ... by psbrogna · · Score: 1
    The Windows error that was seen on the screen just before the unit erupted in a fireball was "A very serious error is about to occur."


    Does anybody else find it suspicious that a US vendor's laptop exploded at a Japanese conference? What are the chances that Lenovo was a sponsor?

  55. Would be funny if... by MrBandersnatch · · Score: 1

    I wasnt sat here on the couch with a Dell Inspiron 8500 on my lap.

    I SERIOUSLY want to know what model that is....

    1. Re:Would be funny if... by usmckozmo · · Score: 1

      This seems to be a old modle Dell X200. I'm thrilled, cus' guess what im typing on right now?! Ohh well, I need a new comp anyway. http://notebook.cz/__/,aktuality,predstaveni,2002, dell_x200.html (I love how yahoo though I could read Czech)

  56. Conspiracy! by ericlondaits · · Score: 1

    How do we know this wasn't a rigged laptop planted at the conference by one of Dell's competitors?

    It's great bad publicity... and note how they could tell it was a Dell but not what specific model.

    As much as this things can heat up, bursting up in flames is something else altogether.

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  57. The news is from the Inquirer by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    I think we should realize they occassionally have been known to have pictures of space aliens as well.

    We might want to find these same pictures from a more reliable website first.

    That said, overclocking your CPU and cranking out too much heat is a known problem with Dell. So it's quite possible that this is a true incident.

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    1. Re:The news is from the Inquirer by ZackSchil · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of The National Enquirer and its sister publication, Weekly World News

      The Inquirer is a snarky though reputable UK-based tech news site.

    2. Re:The news is from the Inquirer by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      thanks for the update on the Inquirer. I was unaware that it was a tech news site on the other side of the Pond.

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  58. y2k? by bryan_is_a_kfo · · Score: 3, Funny

    isn't this what y2k was supposed to be like?

  59. Re:RELIABLE SOURCE MY @$$!!!!! by mmkkbb · · Score: 1

    You must be thinking of the National Enquirer. Actually, perhaps you're thinking of the Weekly World News. The Enquirer is all celebrity garbage.

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  60. Re:RELIABLE SOURCE MY @$$!!!!! by Caffeinated+Geek · · Score: 1

    Wrong Inquirer. This is the UK based news service.

  61. Thats.... by j2crux · · Score: 1

    Thats Hot. (TM)
    shameless plug to the slutty hilton chick

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  62. Proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That movies do affect us - that laptop had just finished playing "Scanners."

  63. Obligatory All your base reference by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Somebody Set Up Us The Bomb".

    Ta-da! :) *Bows* Thank you, thank you.

    1. Re:Obligatory All your base reference by rvw14 · · Score: 1

      +5 Funny? You fail it. ;)

    2. Re:Obligatory All your base reference by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Actually it was kind of lame, I'm content with a score of 3.

  64. Re:RELIABLE SOURCE MY @$$!!!!! by fernandoh26 · · Score: 1

    Dude Al Gore isn't after Bigfoot, he's after ManBearPig. Get your facts straight.

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  65. BUT YOU'VE NEVER SEEN SNAKES ON A PLANE by drhamad · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    But you've never seen SNAKES ON A PLANE "THere's motherfucking snakes on the motherfucking plane!"

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  66. The IBM curse by bazorg · · Score: 1

    I heard some strange songs and drums being played at IBM just after Apple Computer decided to switch. People at Intel probably messed up the orders and this Dell got a CPU that was meant for a Macbook.

  67. A perfectly good reason ... by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

    A perfectly good reason to not put your weed in there.

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  68. Slashdot = ball obsessed by Xtravar · · Score: 1

    Despite the laptop not actually being on anyone's lap, there sure are a crapload of 'witty' comments about testicles.

    Hey fellas, get back to work and stop thinking about balls.

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  69. Typical Dell. by delire · · Score: 4, Funny


    How is it possible that even images of their own device on fire could look so boring. They're so devoid of composition, of sensitivity.

    In this other example, the victim has taken time to place the burning device against a backdrop of roughly hewn rock, and has done so at a time of day deserving of the generous tones cast by the flames as they lash, even swagger about the white plastic..

    Dell, here this: even in death, one should look positively gorgeous.

  70. Re:Speaking of pictures... by symbolic · · Score: 1

    Did anyone happen to notice that incredibly industrial-strength table cloth? The computer burst into flames (and is still burning in the second photo), and all it has is a laptop-sized scorch mark on it. That's one hell of a table cloth.

  71. Is that... by denjin · · Score: 1

    A burning laptop on your lap, or are you just hot for me?

  72. Hey, I know what model Dell that is! Ohhh..crap... by usmckozmo · · Score: 2, Informative

    This seems to be a old modle Dell X200. I'm thrilled, cus' guess what im typing on right now?! Ohh well, I need a new comp anyway. http://notebook.cz/__/,aktuality,predstaveni,2002, dell_x200.html (I love how yahoo though I could read Czech)

  73. Obligatory "Dude..." Comment by zettabyte · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since no one has said it,

    "Dude, you're getting a skin graft!"

    /

    1. Re:Obligatory "Dude..." Comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since no one has said it, "Dude, you're getting a skin graft!"

      Oh, then I must have only imagined submitting this post about 50 minutes before you submitted yours.

      No, wait-- I guess I really did submit it. That's MY "+1, Funny," you bastard!

  74. thermite HD by fcheslack · · Score: 0

    Someone accidentally hit the trigger on their thermite equipped HD?

  75. Re:Speaking of pictures... by HardCase · · Score: 1

    That's one hell of a table cloth.

    Maybe they had a previous experience with the old (late '90's) Micron TransPort notebooks. Mine had a Pentium 166 MMX CPU and a desktop chipset. Hot? Oh hell no, it was scorching. It's probably the reason that I don't have kids (go ahead, bring it on...)

    -h-

  76. Only a matter of time before it happens on a plane by damienl451 · · Score: 1

    That's what the reporter said in TFA. Come on, that's just plain stupid. One laptop explodes and they start thinking it is a very common occurence while in actuality in happens once in a blue moon. The odds of your laptop exploding in this manner on a plane must be infinitesimal, and in all cases much lower than those of the moron next to you's cellphone interfering with the plane GPS or other instruments.

  77. The Inquirer, NOT The National Inquirer by ekwhite · · Score: 1

    The Inquirer is a British Technology newsletter not associated with the National Inquirer. To my knowledge, the British version has never featured the headline "I Was Bigfoot's Love Slave!"

    1. Re:The Inquirer, NOT The National Inquirer by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      To my knowledge, the British version has never featured the headline "I Was Bigfoot's Love Slave!"

      No, you're thinking of the Register.

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  78. In other news... by dada21 · · Score: 1

    ...Gateway announced a few weeks ago that they will not be attending a Japanese Conference this year due to conflicting schedules. Various regular attenders noted a man with a fake moustache at the convention who looked very similar to Gateway's usual promoter.

  79. Fire Precaution by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is why I had a sprinkler system installed in my PC. Safety first!

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  80. M60, or M70 by scolen2 · · Score: 0

    Thats a Dell M60 or M70. But that doesn't really matter. It has Lipo batts, and so does everthing. You short one of those batts, and thats what you get.

  81. Mine got pretty close by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 1

    My own laptop got pretty close once. It didn't burst into flames, but probably could have.

    It had been running at close to 95 or 100 degrees Celsius for a while. It's a Pentium M, and they're rated up to 100, but I still thought it was odd. Eventually, it got to the point where when it was set to 1.7 GHz, it spent most of its time throttled to around 1.3 or 1.4 GHz. I finally opened the thing up, and popped out the fan, to see if anything was wrong... The fan itself was fine, but there was a HUGE ball of fuzz made of fibers sucked into the fan. (It was tinted red, because I have red flannel sheets on my bed.) I took the fuzzball out, and it's been running a full 30 degrees cooler now. It barely reaches 60 or 65 at full speed, and runs the fan much less often and at lower speeds.

    Let this be a lesson: fans need cleaning.

    1. Re:Mine got pretty close by ewhac · · Score: 1
      Let this be a lesson: fans need cleaning.

      Seconded. My sweetie's Gateway laptop was having unrelated issues which required me to crack it open. As is my general practice when opening computers, I apply liberal amounts of Hoover to get the dust out. There wasn't a lot of dust inside the Gateway, but it was noticeable.

      After buttoning the machine back up, my sweetie remarked that the cooling fan had become much quieter, and wasn't spinning up as often, which tells me it was now much cooler and happier.

      Clean your fans and fan filters.

      Schwab

  82. Corporate Fearmongering??? by westcoaster004 · · Score: 1
    I recall (hopefully correctly) a few years ago a company producing a type of lithium batteries (MoLi) had a cell phone containing one of their batteries allegedly explode over in asia while a person was using their phone. The result was that their share price dropped drastically, and they were subsequently bought out by a rival company. It was later suggested that the incident had been faked or falsely reported by someone working for said rival company - which had used the ploy to take over or subvert the other company.
    I wouldn't be suprised if this explosion was caused on purpose by some competitor of Dell's. Just read the way that the article is written:
    "For the record, this is a Dell machine," notes Guilhem. "It is only a matter of time until such an incident breaks out on a plane," he suggests. Guilhem managed to catch all the action in these amazing pictures.
  83. I call BS by IceCreamGuy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    While Dell machines may be notorious for their heat problems (think Inspiron 5100), I can't see any way this could possibly happen. If the battery explodes, that's one thing, but batteries explode from pressure when they get too hot, it's not like they actually combust(they can when they're drastically overcharged), wich is clearly the case in the picture. It looks like magnesium oxidizing! What in a laptop could possibly burn that bright? Plastic doesn't burn like that, PCB doesn't, and I can't imagine ICs do. And multiple explosions? I guess fromm the different cells in the battery, but once again, they don't explode like that from just overheating. Maybe I'm totally off the mark here but I call BS.

    1. Re:I call BS by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Anything enclosed with content capable of evolving gas will explode when subjected to high temperature. A laptop contains a number of such things; from the battery cells themselves to electrolytic capacitors. A capacitor that finds itself in the middle of a fire can announce its lack of happiness in a pretty loud way.

      And it does not have to burn that bright. It's enough when it overloads the CCD chip of the camera that took the shot. Try it, with proper exposition even a candle flame can look insanely bright on a photograph.

  84. Not batteries by a_pseudonym · · Score: 3, Informative

    Note the bright white flash, and light colored smoke. That is not a battery fire (don't ask how I know) The metal is magnesium http://www.hydro.com/en/about/history/1946_1977/19 50.html International challenges Despite Hydro's leading role in developing magnesium technology, the company decided in 2002 to close its production plant at Porsgrunn and instead concentrate on further developments of its facility in Becancour, Canada, built in the early 1990s. It also established access to metal in China. http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem03/chem0 3547.htm www.cabrillo.edu/~rroland//CHEM1A/JoshLabManual/11 -HeatofCombustion(Magnesium).doc Bet it was nearly this model: http://laptopmag.com/Review/Dell-Latitude-D620.htm Magnesium, a silvery white metal of atomic weight 24.32, ignites at 632C and burns at 1982C, with magnesium oxide (MgO) as its combustion product. In an exothermic reaction, metallic magnesium can ignite to produce magnesium dihydroxide (ie, Mg(OH)2) and hydrogen. Magnesium is used in either powdered or solid form as an incendiary agent for both illumination and antipersonnel purposes. Various alloys of magnesium (eg, aluminum/zinc/magnesium alloy found in US M126 round) are mechanically sturdier but also can be ignited easily. Thermite is a mixture of powdered or granular aluminum and powdered iron oxide. When combined with other substances, such as binders, the material is termed a "thermate." All such materials react vigorously when heated to the combustion temperature of aluminum. This reaction produces aluminum oxide, elemental iron, and sufficient heat to melt the iron. The reaction temperature is approximately 2200C.

  85. Good reason to keep using old crap. by failure-man · · Score: 1

    I for one have never had even the slightest concern about temperature with my old 800 P3 laptop, its small battery, or the power brick. These new laptops, driven by the new CPUs use an absolutely ludicrous amount of power. I have no intention of buying a new unit until someone can sell me something that runs cooler and doesn't have a battery bigger than my lawnmower's.

    (Of course, it probably helps that with the kind of work I do I can farm my heavy computational loads out to my dual Xeon over ssh.)

    1. Re:Good reason to keep using old crap. by NotQuiteInsane · · Score: 1
      I've got a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600, which goes from "quite cool" to "OMG, my nuts are roasting!" in about an hour, less if it's running Linux with KDE, a lot longer if it's running Linux in console mode (i.e. no Xwin). That machine is a 700MHz Coppermine Celeron. It also gets about two and a half hours runtime off a single charge, which usually means that when the Uberlaptop Brigade have had their batteries die, mine usually has at least an hour of runtime left. I've got the Duracell Bunny of laptops :)

      Just out of curiosity, failure-man, what machine are you using?

    2. Re:Good reason to keep using old crap. by failure-man · · Score: 1

      A 2001-era Gateway Solo 5300. I've replaced the keyboard twice (one worn out, one garden hose), the CD drive (grinding and not working), and the cpu fan.

      It actually ran hot but fine with the fan dead, I just figured it'd be best if it had a working one. Try that with one of these P4-based machines and you'd be scraping molten plastic off your desk.

    3. Re:Good reason to keep using old crap. by NotQuiteInsane · · Score: 1
      Ah, it's got Speedstep. That might be why it runs cooler... My SatPro actually ramps down the frontside bus - it goes down as low as 8MHz IIRC. The CPU runs slower and cooler, but as a side effect the machine grinds to a complete and total standstill because of the low FSB. When it's stepped down to 200MHz CPU clock, a 200MHz Pentium MMX can actually outperform the Toshiba's Celeron.

      I've had to replace the TFT (a couple of incredibly annoying dead pixels and a hot subpixel - now it's down to one green hot subpixel), a hard drive and the audio riser card. Also had to resolder the speaker filters on the mainboard. I actually dropped it (once) - the DVD drive faceplate popped off and the HDD died, but that was it as far as damage goes. I was going to upgrade the HDD anyway, and there was no un-backed-up data on the machine at the time, so nothing lost except a bit of time swapping the HDD out. A 40GB Seagate Momentus makes a very nice drive for a laptop of this spec.

      The only other problem I had was that the sound would randomly cut out. There are two dark grey filter cubes on the motherboard near the audio riser card - resoldering them fixed the problem.

      It's a lovely little machine - a bit big for using on the train (unless you're sitting at a table), but fantastic for getting work done at university when the computer lab is full.

  86. Re:Hey, I know what model Dell that is! Ohhh..crap by EnderGT · · Score: 1
    No way - just look at the size of the hinge. The X200 has a short hinge, maybe an inch or so. The laptop in the picture has a longer hinge, closer to 2 inches or more. Also, the burning laptop doesn't have the VGA port on the back edge.

    My original thought was that this was either a Latitude D800 or D810, now I'm thinking it might be an Inspiron 5100 (there seems to be a port on the right side, similar to this).

  87. Voltage issue by dbretton · · Score: 1

    Could this be a voltage issue? Japan seems to use 100V...

  88. Apparently... by Billosaur · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...this happens more often than Dell admits.

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    1. Re:Apparently... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      consumerist.com/consumer/dell/boring-dell-laptop-s tory-turns-into-inferno!-182225.php

      Although it was just used yesterday,

      "It burst into flames! Get out of the way! Get out of the way!
      It's fire and it's crashing! It's crashing terrible! Oh, my!
      Oh, it's crashing... Oh, the humanity!"

  89. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  90. Why the Dell hate? by retro128 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Man, there's a lot of hate in here for Dell. Just curious, why? My GF and boss both have a Dell 700m and I've got to say those things are solid. Small, light, battery life of 3+ hours. Light years better than Vaios, IMHO. I've experienced few problems with their desktop systems as well.

    As far as the exploding laptop, is it really the manufacturer's fault? This question would apply regardless of who it is. It would seem to me that if it were a manufacturing defect in the laptop, say in the charging circuitry, those models would be exploding left and right. It was very likely that the battery pack on that thing was made by a third party and sold for half the price of an OEM pack.

    That's not to say that OEM battery packs can't blow up. The battery cells are procured from outside manufacturers. Of course, laptop manufacturers will (hopefully) only buy batteries made by reputable firms, but right now there's big business in counterfeit batteries over in China. I remember awhile back Kyocera had phones coming with counterfeit batteries that were exploding in peoples' pockets and hands, inflicting some serious injuries. The thing is, don't just eye Dells with suspicison - I imagine it's possible for any manufacturer to get a bad batch of batteries if they're not careful, but I imagine that's rare and they are, indeed, careful. Big laptop manufacturers probably have direct accounts, anyway.

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    1. Re:Why the Dell hate? by Suidae · · Score: 1

      I love my 700m. Best laptop screen I've ever seen, and I can watch a full LotR DVD running on the extended battery.

      Excellent machine.

    2. Re:Why the Dell hate? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      As far as the exploding laptop, is it really the manufacturer's fault?

      Yes. We all know and love Dell. In my own experience, out of 100 Dell monitors in a lab, 5 caught fire over the course of 3 months. That's right, we never even bothered to put the fire extinguisher away. That's just the start, though. If you can name it, Dell has made it, and it has caught fire. Their laptops are notorious. They've had to recall their products many, many times.

      This question would apply regardless of who it is. It would seem to me that if it were a manufacturing defect in the laptop, say in the charging circuitry, those models would be exploding left and right.

      No. Just because something is under-engineered, doesn't mean ALL of them will go up in flames. Like any engineering problem, you need a specific set of circumstances to trigger it, though some are certainly more common than others.

      Perhaps the exhaust vents were blocked? Perhaps it had been running constantly for 8 hours? Perhaps the bright lights contributed? Perhaps the voltage was sagging and the power supply was drawing more current to compensate? Or perhaps the capacitors are just barely large enough for the load, and over time, they gave out...

      I remember awhile back Kyocera had phones coming with counterfeit batteries that were exploding in peoples' pockets and hands, inflicting some serious injuries.

      Yes, I heard about several stories like those months ago on the news, and the Kyocera rep telling people their products are fine, and don't buy counterfeit batteries. So, I did some research myself, and found SEVERAL cases of 100% legit Kyocera batteries exploding. One just hours after the person walked out of the store with it.

      Companies ALWAYS want to spin this stuff, and counterfeit products are a good scapgoat. When asked why your products are exploding, change the subject to counterfeits, and repeatedly imply, just don't specifically say, that your legit products never explode.
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    3. Re:Why the Dell hate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Small, light, battery life of 3+ hours. Light years better than Vaios, IMHO"

      Well, I suppose we all have different priorities, but my 2 year old Vaio really does get 6-8 hours of battery life with the original battery (albeit at ultimate savings mode, dim screen, slower proc, but still totally usable). I just can't see how something that hovers around 3 can be 'light years better'. It's just cost effective given the fact you don't need to be able to work through a whole plane ride.

  91. Wow by I7D · · Score: 1

    You know what'd be neat? Some sort of thermal detection device that can somehow warn the user or slow down the processor to cool it down.

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  92. Re:RELIABLE SOURCE MY @$$!!!!! by jank1887 · · Score: 1
    whether the inquirer is reliable or not, this article definitely isn't.

    And, including the horribly sensationalistic line ' "It is only a matter of time until such an incident breaks out on a plane," he suggests' is moronic for any news site.

    They fail to answer the basic journalist questions: Where (a ??japanese conference??, they all have names, and usually websites), Who (again, which conference), What (again, a phonecall to the conference organizers, or the conference site could have gathered some information.)

    horrible story.

    no digg :P

  93. Fireball to the face. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

    Considering the way that thing went off I'd be worried about my face.

    I don't look forward to the day one explodes on a plane. I'm sure the day that happens laptops will be forever banned from airlines.

  94. Best comment over at Digg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CHINAMAN BLOW UP LAPTOP

    1. Re:Best comment over at Digg by ewhac · · Score: 1
  95. Establishing Blame by ZombieSquirrel · · Score: 2, Funny

    I blame Microsoft. I'm not sure of the specifics yet, but I'm pretty sure this is a Windows error. Or possibly DRM working properly.

  96. It's a guess but... by MaxPowerDJ · · Score: 1

    I think that Dell laptop was an XPS Gen1. Those things are known to heat up badly...

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  97. Reminds me of the recent Sun advertisement.... by Khyber · · Score: 2, Funny

    Our competition's computers get so hot, no wonder their name rhymes with hell.

    ... or something to that affect.

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    1. Re:Reminds me of the recent Sun advertisement.... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      In bad Slashdot taste - I'm replying to my own comment. Come on guys - you've never seen this advertisement in InformationWeek before? Fuck, I've been seeing it for the past few months, EVERY WEEK! Get a cheap-ass subscription to it and enjoy some of the fun stuff they have (The cost of a 52-week sub is worth it, guys. Some of this shit is genuinely funny even when they try to be dead-serious, because they can't get their heads out of their asses far enough to see the light and dark side of things. It's far more worth reading than this tech site.)

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  98. I wonder... by dauvis · · Score: 1

    if that was one of their laptops with firewire support.

  99. IMF needs tighter security measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ethan Hunt should know better than to be reading secret messages in public.

  100. A Hoax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No components in a laptop computer can build up the pressure neccessary to cause this explosion. Even a shorted battery will merely start to smoke and perhaps catch on fire. Notice how the first quote out of the man's mouth is that "For the record, this is a Dell machine."

  101. battery explosion by itdood · · Score: 2, Informative
    Lithium Ion batteries are known to explode in a run-way charging cycle. The organic (therefore flammable) electrolyte will begin to boil at ~180F and develop voids. If this goes on long enough the battery case will rupture and vent the now gassed organic electrolyte which will probably ignite. It's basically an explosion.

    There's a lot of protective circuitry built into Li-Ion batteries and laptops to prevent this. It's very rare that all those fail at once, but it's possible.

    Charging any sort of battery (Li-Ion, MiMH, NiCad) is usually done with peak detection. A controlled current is applied to the battery. As it charges the measured volts in the charge circuit continues to rise. When the batteries reach full the voltage will actually go down a bit. Chargers are designed to detect this "peak" and shut off charging current or go into a trickle charge mode to prevent the batteries from being overcharged. When this doesn't work right and other safety features fail you can get a run-away charge cycle and explode the battery.

    1. Re:battery explosion by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      I though Li-Ion was charged much differently to other NiCad/NiMH types.

      In NiCad/NiMH, the chargers generally use a constant current mode, watching the battery voltage and detecting the peak in order to end the charging cycle.

      With li-Ion, the above approach is too risky in relation to overcharging. Lithium chargers use constant current for 70% - 80% of the charge, then drop back into constant voltage mode. This means the initial charge is quick, but takes a long time to complete - as the battery voltage increases there is less differential between the charger and battery so the current (and thus power transfer) drops.

  102. I Use a gasoline powered laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never had any issues with overheating. Of course the fumes make me a little dizzy...

  103. A whole new commercial to annoy PC users by Catbeller · · Score: 3, Funny

    Apple Commercial

    Opening shot: Boring White Dude and Sarcastic Babe Magnet Skaterboy

    BWD: Hello... does it feel hot in here to you?

    SBMS: Yeah. But it always is a little warm. You just have to dress right... are you okay?

    BWD: Ahhhhh... you might want to stay back -- ARRRRAAAAGHHH! I'm BURNING!!

    SBMS: Stopdropandroll! Ah, man that has to hurt!

    BWD: I'm okay. It's just the epidermis.

    SBMS: [leaving for Japan with Kevin Rose] Old people suck, and they're also pretty flammable. Don't hang out with them. I rule. Macs get laid. JAGERMEISTER SHOTS! Line 'em up, and show me the Japanese chicks!

    Alex: [shot of him passed out on floor next to toilet] ooohhh goddd.

  104. I can't get this song out of my head... by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1

    for some reason. "Chesnuts roasting on an open fire..." and it isn't even Christmas!

  105. ummm by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

    Regarding the linked story about the iBook, I'm wondering how they grabbed a burning laptop, rushed through the house and deposited it on the patio with the AC adapter still plugged in and the screen intact. I call BS.

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  106. Self-fulfilling prophesy.... by SoCalEd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    let's see how this hypothetically plays out:

    1)laptop gets warm because there is not enough air circulation
    2)laptop is placed on pillow to absorb heat
    3)pillow completely blocks air vents
    4)laptop gets hot and explodes
    5)sue manufacturer/post about faulty power supplies.

    I know, I know, the parent said no such thing, but I wonder how many people either a)abuse the machine or b)block the vents, causing the overheating problem to begin with.

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    1. Re:Self-fulfilling prophesy.... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      but I wonder how many people either a)abuse the machine or b)block the vents, causing the overheating problem to begin with.

      Oh, sure. But the problem is not that people abuse their laptops. The problem is that any reasonable design will have saveguards against this. For example a 10A capable thermal fuse (needs to be replaced after overheating) costs like 1USD/EUR (end customer price). It will prevent severe overheating reliably if placed in the right place. Of course the machine needs repair afterwards, but it will not explode!

      I would go so far to say that producing laptops and laptop batteries without this kind of last-ditch safeties is willful endangerment.

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    2. Re:Self-fulfilling prophesy.... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      You don't even need to go that far. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a sexy overclocker-friendly motherboard, and nearly all of those will do a controlled thermal shutdown when the temp hits the range where bad things can start happening. I doubt there is anything so sexy about the technology that it can't be adapted to laptops as well.

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    3. Re:Self-fulfilling prophesy.... by caldodge · · Score: 1

      > 5)sue manufacturer/post about faulty power supplies.

      You forgot

      6) Profit!!

  107. The real question is by OricAtmos48K · · Score: 1

    But can it STILL run linux ?

  108. Just following instructions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Click Here to Burn CD"

    **Click**

    What the...!!!

  109. More bang for your buck! Dude! BSODeath! Cliche! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Talk about getting more bang for your buck"
    "Dude, you're getting a ..." **BOOM**
    "Now, that's what I call a blue screen of DEATH!"

    Let the cliches commence...

  110. Gives a whole new meaning to DVD BURNER!! (eom) by ukemike · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gives a whole new meaning to DVD BURNER!!

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  111. In Soviet Russia... by t3rmin · · Score: 1

    ...laptop explodes you!

  112. I understand Ford made that comp re Pinto tanks by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1, Redundant

    If X is greater than the cost of a recall, we recall the laptops and no-one gets hurt.

    If X is less than the cost of a recall, then we don't recall.


    (If you were really working for Dell, and believed in that computation, you wouldn't make that post, even anonymously.)

    As I heard it, Ford once made that computation with Pinto gas tanks (the ones that would dump a few inches of gas into the passenger compartment if a Pinto with a full tank was rear-ended.)

    Several accidents resulted in "Severe Passenger Damage".

    This came out in the tiral. So did the cost of the recall. The court awarded the plantifs the cost of the recall as puntative damages.

    It was making the point that the computation you described doesn't excuse deliberately, and without warning, failing to fix a design defect that creates a significant danger to the life and health of the customers. And it was making it in a way that even a psychopath can understand. It was saying "Whatever you saved by chosing to not fix such a major defect, frying a customer WILL cost you more."

    This is ONE of the things those massive judgements are about, and what "tort reform" is intended to eliminate. (Another is that they might sound high - but they must be large enough to provide a lump sum whose interest is enough to pay the living and medical expenses of a maimed person for the rest of his/her life, or replace his/her contribution to the support of family, especially dependents, if he/she died.)

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    1. Re:I understand Ford made that comp re Pinto tanks by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

      This isn't even an isolated incident for auto-makers, read below for some more creative examples of *ah*, 'cost cutting'.


      Example #1: Who is at fault for the dangerous Firestone tires on the Ford Explorer a few years back? Answer: Ford. They basically said 'give me the cheapest tire you can make, so we can cut costs'. Firestone was perfectly willing to make them better ones, but those would have cost more.

      Example #2: Virtually all full sized GM pickups with side tanks had the tanks positioned OUTSIDE the frame rails until quite recently (86?). This means on a side impact the tanks can rupture/leak, causing people to potentially die a fiery death in relatively minor accidents. GM decided it was cheaper to pay the claims than issue a recall, since the fix would have been expensive to do. Since they're classed as trucks, they don't have to adhere to the same safety standards cars do (also true of minivans and suv FYI).

    2. Re:I understand Ford made that comp re Pinto tanks by measlymonkey · · Score: 1

      Lrn2watchFightClub

    3. Re:I understand Ford made that comp re Pinto tanks by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      Virtually all full sized GM pickups with side tanks had the tanks positioned OUTSIDE the frame rails until quite recently (86?). This means on a side impact the tanks can rupture/leak, causing people to potentially die a fiery death in relatively minor accidents. GM decided it was cheaper to pay the claims than issue a recall, since the fix would have been expensive to do. Since they're classed as trucks, they don't have to adhere to the same safety standards cars do (also true of minivans and suv FYI).

      You're leaving out the bit where the producers of Dateline NBC, in a bit of creative "investigative journalism," taped some model-rocket engines to the gas tank of a Chevy truck, lit off the engines, and taped the resulting fireball. I suspect the "problem" isn't nearly as severe as you've been led to believe. If there's a liner inside the tank (I don't know if there is, but lack of such a liner was the root of the exploding-Pinto problem), most collisions with it aren't going to result in leaks and/or fires.

      You might be interested in this article:

      Safety advocates and plaintiffs' attorneys claim that 1973 to 1987 G.M. fullsize pickup trucks are "rolling firebombs" because their gas tanks are mounted between the frame and the exterior panels. The Nader-founded Center for Auto Safety wants the feds to force G.M. to recall these trucks, which could cost the company some $500 million.

      In a Wall Street Journal column, litigation analyst Walter Olson compared the fatal-crash records of full-size G.M. pickups with those of other vehicles. He found that G.M. trucks were about 10-percent safer than the average passenger car, 50 percent safer than compact pickups, and almost identical in safety to their closest competitors, full- size Ford pickups.

      In February, G.M. Iost a $105-million jury verdict in a case involving a fatal side crash. Yet the Georgia 17-year- old whose truck caught fire was hit by a drunk driving nearly 70 miles per hour. G.M. attorneys argued (to no avail) that the teenager probably died before any fire started.

      [...]

      NBC might as well have been the Nader Broadcasting Corporation on November 17. For its Dateline NBC segment on G.M. pickups, the network hired a trial lawyers' advocacy group to crash the trucks. Testers overfilled one truck's gas tank, used a nonstandard gas cap that popped off on impact, and strapped remote-controlled model-rocket engines to the truck's frame to guarantee a fire.

      How did we learn this? Old-fashioned investigative reporting-the free press in action. Pete Pesterre, editor of Popular Hot Rodding, got a tip from a reader that the tests were rigged. Pesterre tracked down the firefighters who witnessed the tests, contacted G.M. attorneys, and helped the company piece together the deception NBC had foisted upon its viewers.

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    4. Re:I understand Ford made that comp re Pinto tanks by thc69 · · Score: 1
      This is ONE of the things those massive judgements are about, and what "tort reform" is intended to eliminate.
      If that's true, then somebody needs to spread the word.

      See, when I think of tort reform, I think of frivolous lawsuits with huge payouts for dumb reasons.

      I think of Good Samaritan laws that have to be made to protect people who try to help others.

      I think of daily fears that some business idea could possibly get screwed up by an idiot who will then sue.

      I think of an auto accident where one person is injured or killed, and another whose unintentional actions get his house taken, and his family unsupported as he pays money that will never replace the other party's life or limb -- two lives ruined, one by accident, and one by lawsuit.

      If actual proposed tort reform intends to eliminate such things as your examples, instead of just the sorts of examples I describe above, then the public should know. Until I find out you're right, "tort reform" is not a dirty phrase to me.
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    5. Re:I understand Ford made that comp re Pinto tanks by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

      Just for the record my dad owned one of those trucks. Those tanks weren't safe. It didn't have a liner. Yes, statistically it was safe, simply because

      A. gasoline just isn't that volatile in it's liquid state, it's the vapors that are easily ignited/explosive.
      and
      B. that part of the truck wasn't usually taking the crash impact
      and
      C. 'statistically speaking', bigger cars win in an accident. Provided you get in one, which smaller and better balanced vehicles are far better at avoiding. Of course there are no statistics on those, so they aren't in the report.

      Don't let your hatred of the liberal treehuggers blind you to reality sir.

  113. A lithium bomb with a bunch of electronic crap... by karlandtanya · · Score: 1

    desparately trying to convince it not to explode.
    Holy crap! There's going to be a remake!

    Didja know that you can get the lithium out of a new one?
    The battery is manufactured with metallic lithium foil, which you can take out in a sheet if the battery has not been through a cycle.
    Cycling the battery destroys the mechanical integrity of the foil, though, so only new batteries work.

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  114. Mmmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Roasted nuts ... mmmmmmm :p

  115. Re: Linux On Fire? by airship · · Score: 1

    If this had been an Amiga in an old Bryce comic from INFO magazine, the screen would have displayed "UH-OH". :)

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  116. Why use the cluster to COMPUTE an explosion ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    ... when it could actually create it?

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  117. Perhaps... by Gno · · Score: 0

    It might of been a poorly staged attack or a good prank? It could have been a floppy - bomb.

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  118. Intel's attempt to copy AMD's Cool and Quiet by dalesyk · · Score: 1

    Engineer: We haven't had time to test the new Intel Cooler and Quieter technology yet.
    Manager: We've lost too much market share. Just ship it.

  119. Re:On a plane -- the more logical consequence by AtomicBomb · · Score: 1

    The exploding laptop probably wouldn't cause much harm to the flight but it will surely cause serious harm to the owner. Before the poor owner could drop his burning laptop to the ground and run around the narrow corridor, he got a left hook punch from the teen sitting next to him. Then the grandma in the next row jumped out from nowhere and gave him a fatal reverse kick. The poor owner declared KO and felt faint at that stage. Now, the aircrew + 8 muscular guys elsewhere on the plane came. He was tied on his back with 8 pairs on smelly feet stepped on top of him for the rest of the trip. OK, enough for now. Next chapter: the poor guy in police station being interrogated for possible terrorist related charges....

  120. People pay alot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for that kind off force feedback

  121. But the real question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it run Rinux?

  122. No, Dell Latitude D600 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Close, it's definately a D600. I have one.

  123. Dude! by comzen · · Score: 0

    "...Dude, you're on fire!"

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  124. It could have been the capacitors by Sillygates · · Score: 1

    One of my friends' xbox exploded last year, turned out to be the fault of a capacitor.
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/sillygates/ xbox/dereksbox006.jpg
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/sillygates/ xbox/dereksbox011.jpg
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/sillygates/ xbox/dereksbox002.jpg
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/sillygates/ xbox/dereksbox008.jpg
    In this case only one small cap blew, but it still filled the whole room with smoke, made fire visible though the vents, burned a hole in the bottom of the xbox, and set off the fire alarm :-/ .

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  125. My new Dell almost caught fire on a plane! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was recently on 5 hour plane trip from Seattle to DC when about 1/2 way through the trip I decided to fire up my brand new Dell laptop that had been in the overhead compartment in a Dell carry bag. I pulled it out and almost dropped it it was so hot. Somehow it had not suspended or something and just heated up. Luckily there was an empty seat next to me so I opened it up and stood it on edge to let it cool down. You could feel the heat radiating off it! I have no doubt that it would have started a fire or at least smoldered if I had not tried to start using it. Pretty scary stuff at the time.

  126. Huh? What the???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey guys... over here!!!

    There's a girl here. Really!
    At least I think she's a girl. You are, aren't you? I'm
    just not sure what they look like. Especially in the daytime.

    1. Re:Huh? What the???? by Ced_Ex · · Score: 1

      Hey guys... over here!!!

      There's a girl here. Really!
      At least I think she's a girl. You are, aren't you? I'm
      just not sure what they look like. Especially in the daytime.


      Haha... that's what *you* think.

      She's really a male FBI agent.

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    2. Re:Huh? What the???? by dawnzer · · Score: 0

      Last time I checked. *looks down blouse* Yep, I'm a girl. Maybe female slashdotters prefer to read rather than to comment. Of course, lots of us had something to say here.

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    3. Re:Huh? What the???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Looks down blouse" LMAOLOLOLOL J00 R TEH FUNNAYS

    4. Re:Huh? What the???? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Acting in the fine tradition of J. Edgar Hoover, yes.

  127. Overexposed by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 4, Informative

    The flame in the fist photo is saturated. The parts around the periphery that you can see properly are orangish. The flame may have been white, or it may not have. There's no way to tell conclusively from that photo. It could have been virtually any color that has significant red, green and blue components.

  128. Selfish is good by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

    If you haven't heard, most of the world is facing a population decline in the near future. If more of us weren't selfish and conceited, who would be paying the taxes for your future medicare, social security, and staffing the nursing homes?

    1. Re:Selfish is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If more of us weren't selfish and conceited, we wouldn't demand outrageous medicare, social security, and nursing homes.

      In other news, the death rate is down, people living longer.

      Hey, reproduce if you want to, but don't act like you are doing everyone a favor.

    2. Re:Selfish is good by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      You do realize that a consequence of "people living longer" is "outrageous medicare, social security, and nursing homes" right?

      The death rate isn't down: people may die at a later age now than 50 years ago, but this is balanced by the fact that most of the world is not acheiving a replacement rate. More people die than are born; that translates to death rate is UP.

      I only really think I'm doing myself a favor by reproducing, but if it helps everyone else I'm not going to be greedy :)

  129. What makes them Explode? by Odonian · · Score: 1
    Overcharging of Li-ion Batteries causes Lithium Oxide to be converted to Metallic Lithium, which can explode. Chargers must actively control the charging current and monitor the cell temperature to prevent this from happening. It's probably reasonably failure-proof, but it does sound complex enough that once in a while, it's gonna happen.

    http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Secondaries/li-io n-reac.htm

    1. Re:What makes them Explode? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read that some dell (and other laptop) caess are made from magnesium.

  130. Here's an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Learn to harness the power of the exploding battery, couple it with zTrace Gold, and you get a solution to the trend of compromised personal data on stolen corporate laptops. Maybe not a solution per se... but visceral satisfaction at least.

  131. Easier to find and more userful by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    Go to your local office supply store and buy one of the metal clipboards used by delivery personnel--the sort that are 0.5-1.5" thick (depending on which you buy) and open with a hinge. Then you have an ideal heat-conductive laptop-using surface for your lap or anywhere else, along with a place to carry your papers, pencils/pens, PDA, mobile phone (if its thin enough), and something to swing at muggers' heads if you should be unlucky enough to encounter one. They cost $25-35. And they also fit nicely in a laptop bag without enhancing its thickness or weight too much, while at the same time protecting the laptop from impact on one side.

    For example

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  132. Toshiba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, Toshiba power bricks just sort of fizzle out quietly without warning. I'm on my third brick for my Toshiba Satellite -- computer's rock solid, though.

  133. the old american play by pitu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    this reminds me of a little american play that I can not remember the name

      in WWII the father a great industrial magnat produces war aeroplanes' motors which are known to have a flaw (the flaw is a secret & known only by the father)

      his son gets recruted in the army as a pilot and eventually gets killed by his fathers' manufactured planes...

      this was an obligatory high-school lecture in my ex socialist country centered to picture the 'inhuman quest for profits at any cost in the capitalist society'

    1. Re:the old american play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're talking about _All My Sons_, by Arthur Miller.

      The dead son wasn't killed by a bad plane (he never flew that type); he committed suicide after learning what his father had done.

      Also, it was a bad batch of a particular part, which the father knew about before even assembling the planes.

  134. I question the credibility of this story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Perhaps someone could provide a link to a more reputable source.

  135. is it a dell? by jaimz22 · · Score: 1

    actually i don't believe the inquirer, if you zoom way in on the photo that actually shows the laptop you'll notice what i noticed... i don't think it's a dell at all, i think it's an HP, look at the logo at the bottom center of the monitor, dell doesn't put rectangular logos on their laptops like that, unless it's an XPS and it doesn't look thick enough to be an XPS

    1. Re:is it a dell? by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      I am typing this from a dell laptop right now, and I assure you there is a rectangular white logo printed on the bottom centre of the screen. The black indicator panel on the bottom right of the screen also matches.

      Now....where did I put that extinguisher.

    2. Re:is it a dell? by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      PS - for reference, im using a Latitude D810. Im not sure if that one is a similar model because the screen doesnt look wide enough (D810 is widescreen 1680 x 1050)

  136. Okinawa no doubt... by xaoslaad · · Score: 1

    Where in Japan? I was stationed in Okinawa for one year, and let me tell you, that was bad enough. If I had to spend the rest of my life there, I would commit suicide too.

  137. Dell's new commercial by NetRAVEN5000 · · Score: 1

    Dude, what happened to your Dell?

    1. Re:Dell's new commercial by uncoveror · · Score: 1

      YOUR DELL A SPLODE!

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  138. How this could happen? by nephridium · · Score: 1

    Methinks a user triggered the Dell laptop's hardcoded "Do you want to play a game of thermonuclear war?" message and he hit the 'any' key..

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  139. Re:I wonder...fundamentally implausible by Tired+and+Emotional · · Score: 1

    Oh come on. Who modded this funny? Its totally implausible. Obviously the poster hasn't tried to get coffee on an airplane recently.

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  140. I bet you're right.. D610: Same thing by rkaa · · Score: 1

    I have a Latidude D610 which also litterally speaking gets burning hot at times, on the plastic surface above the HD: left front side. And that's exactly what the photo of the burning Dell shows. Power and battery, OTOH, are in the back. Nut that PC isn't burning there - it's burning in the left front side.

  141. Pirated copy of Vista by Sgt_Jake · · Score: 1

    It's Microsoft's new secure computing platform. Beware!

  142. A pity this wasn't Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somehow I bet there are loads of 15 year old "experts"... experts whose platform choice is driven by "collecting" the latest softwarez... all disappointed this wasn't an Apple.

  143. The Inquirer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I trust Dell as much as I trust the Inquirer.

  144. thanks!!!!!!!1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Comic Book Guy

    I was worried there for a second that someone would actually get away with a joke based on ridiculous inaccuracies!!!!!!!!!1

  145. Experts by somebraincells · · Score: 0

    Jello Biafra - Experts

  146. Laptop Battery by Ice+Wewe · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The people around that laptop are very forntunate. All batteries used in modern laptops use Lithium Ion batteries. Now Lithium Ion, or Li-Ion (as it shall now be reffered to) is considered safe technology. However, there are exceptions to this. If a Li-Ion is shorted, overcharged, charged at too high a rate, or discharged below the minimum voltage (3V per cell) it can explode. I should rephrase that, it wont explode in the conventional sense, what it will do it burst into intese flame quite quickly. This flame is very dangerous. Because lithium is very reactive, the flame is several thousand degress F. Normal methods of extinguishing this flame don't tend to work well, and you can forget the old 'throw the glass of water on it and get on with life' solution, because it wont work. Most laptops (again, I am generalizing) have a 12V battery. This means that the battery contains 3 Li-Ion cells. Each cell runs at 3.7-4.2V. If the battery is abused (overcharged, undercharged, damaged, swelling, etc.) it can easily become a safety hazard. This is why you should always handle damaged or defective Li-Ion batteries with care. If one of those cells becomes unstable, and starts to flame, the plastic membrane of the other cells doesn't stand a chance, those other cells are gonna go up too. This is why the witness heard several explosions. I'm actually surprised that the table didn't receive more damage.

    If you want to dispose of a damaged or defective Li-Ion/Li-Po battery, you must:

    1) Discharge the battery to the minimum voltage per cell

    2) Puncture the membrane around the cell. (remove any labels or covering. Wear eye protection!)

    3) Submerge compelety in salt water. (Make sure the water is really salty. Infact, put salt in until the water doesn't absorb anymore. You don't ever want to put a lithium battery in fresh water!!! The lithium in the battery reacts with fresh water, and you will have a reaction much like an explosion.)

    4) Leave in the water for at least a few hours (6+) a day to be sure.

    5) Throw away in normal garbage.

  147. Hey! It looks like a Inspiron 9300! by BRSloth · · Score: 1

    That laptop like a lot like mine Ins-OMG! FIRE! FIRE!

  148. That was one Dell of a bang by mkiwi · · Score: 1
    From the article's img alt tag:

    That was one Dell of a bang

    Very creative, mod article up "+1 insightful." Nevver mind funny, that twist of a cliche took some brain power!

  149. Dude, you are not getting a Dell by chrnb · · Score: 0

    DUDE, you are not getting a Dell!

    ^^

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  150. can't resist... by qzulla · · Score: 1

    PUT the candle BACK!

    qz

  151. somebody set us up the bomb..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    somebody set us up the bomb.....

  152. wow... right over their heads by tricore · · Score: 1

    If it makes you feel any better, I get the reference.

  153. Dude, by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

    You're cooking with Dell!

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  154. Lithium means nothing by r00t · · Score: 1

    For all I know, it could be a rather boring salt. It might be pH 7 or insoluable. At worst this could mess with your mind if you ingested it.

    Finely powdered metal would be another matter entirely.

    Liquid metal with pressurized gas would be damn dangerous.

  155. We get signal !! by idonthack · · Score: 1

    Main screen blow up :(

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  156. Ad on site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Try the quick laptop encryption alternative." is the text from an ad on the article's page. Funny and story related eh? ha.

  157. One h*ll of flamewar! by blanchae · · Score: 1

    I don't want to be one the receiving end of the person who ended that flamewar!

  158. Well what do they expect? by skinfitz · · Score: 1

    They should install all Microsoft Updates to stop that happening.

    That's what I call a Genuine Advantage.

  159. Re:Battery explosion... aftermarket crap? by dvd_tude · · Score: 1

    The battery could possibly have been aftermarket, in which case they might have skimped on the thermal and voltage interlocks.

    Some packs have "authentication" built in so that the host check to see if the battery is "official", that is, meets the OEM spec. As evil as this sounds, it is warranted in this case to prevent substandard packs being used.

  160. I am the god of Dell FIRE! by Timberwolf0122 · · Score: 1

    FIRE! duh, duh derr I take you to burn FIRE! duh, duh derr Dell takes you to learn I'll see you burn! You fought hard and you saved and earned But now you laptops going to burn And your mind, your tiny mind You know you know fumes will make you blind Now 's your time, burn your mind You're falling far too far behind Oh no, oh no, oh no, you're gonna burn and so on.... BTW the dell looks a lot like my Insperion 5150, which has developed a fault with the internal power systems (apply preasure to the front left bellow the keyboard to make it spack out and reset/loose power)

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  161. Re:Battery explosion... aftermarket crap? by NotQuiteInsane · · Score: 1
    A few of the newer Nokia cellphone battery packs actually have holograms on them. The idea is, if the hologram is there (and it looks sharp, well printed, etc) then there's a pretty good chance the battery is authentic. Problem is, not everyone checks the hologram, so in that respect a "magic handshake" is a good plan. Stop the phone (or whatever) from booting, and make it display a "Counterfeit battery is inserted, please replace with OEM battery" warning when you try and charge it.

    I seem to recall Sony's InfoLithium camcorders do a handshake/authentication check with the battery and if it responds wrong (or just doesn't respond at all) then the camera won't power up. Of course, that didn't stop the aftermarket cell and charger manufacturers from reverse engineering the protocol. Sony batteries are damned expensive...

    What would be nice is if a few of the big-name manufacturers got together and had a website you could use to validate your battery. "Go to validateyourbattery.com, enter your battery serial number at the prompt and find out if it's genuine, and if so when it was manufactured". Maybe put two codes on the battery - a serial number and a validation key. You call, they tell you what the validation key should be, and if it matches then there's a decent chance the battery is genuine.

    Hell, let's go the whole hog - have it tell you what laptops the battery works in too. Useful if you're given a battery by a friend, it doesn't fit your machine, and you want to know what it works with so you can sell it on Ebay.

    I might actually see if that's a workable idea.. you'd have to tie the manufacturing/distribution data to the website, but a nightly update would solve that. Most DBMS software should be able to handle the data involved (I'd probably use PostgreSQL) so your only problem would be keeping the data in sync. That said, it takes a fair bit longer than 24 hours for a battery to get from Malaysia or wherever to the UK or USA, so a bit of out-of-date data wouldn't be a massive problem.

    To be honest, I'm surprised it hasn't already been done...

  162. Re:No, it was FIRE-WIRE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it was the fire-wire port.

  163. Orrin Hatch Wins--Destroy the computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was the owner trading files? Sounds like Orrin Hatch finally got his wish. Trade files, I destroy your computer! BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  164. You know you could by einhverfr · · Score: 1

    just remove the battery and only use it plugged in to the wall. Yeah it's not so mobile, but it works.

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  165. Let's get this right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jet setting multi-millionaire investor turned "researcher" who has been everywhere in his stints for various global militaries and as a former folk singer and as a world famous writer, journalist and techno-man has never heard of the Inquirer and didn't think it was the least bit odd that the tabloid sites he remembers so fondly had a front page crammed with all kinds of IT news which, as the obsessive slashdotter that he is he would already know about.

    Next thing you know, he's going to be hating on the Christian Science Monitor as being a backwards church coverup.

  166. Re:Some videos on lithium battery explosion by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 1

    The battery used with notebook computers can be very dangerous if the charger circuit malfunctions...

    Here are some videoes I read about here just a month ago, and these are just small lithium batteries

    Video 1
    Video 2
    Video 3

  167. Exploding Laptops by unifex · · Score: 1

    In defence of Dell of which I am loath to do this is a known problem.

    Meet exploding Imac http://www.podcastingnews.com/news/06_06/Mac_Lapto p_Explodes_Flame.html

    Meet exploding batteries
    http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/12/19/50OPreal ity_1.html

    Apparently its to do with run away heat in lithium batteries reaching combustion.

  168. It's greenpeace's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32 630

    Greenpeace hails Dell for supporting flame retardant ban ..."Dell was hailed for making a decision to remove "hazardous chemicals" including brominated flame retardants and PVC from its products by 2009. But, according to Greenpeace, HP, Lucky Goldstar, Nokia, Samsung, Sony and Ericsson have already said they will deck hazardous chemicals sooner."...